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Where Is the Afghan Female Runner?

Mehbooba Andyar's choice to compete in a head scarf and full-length, body-covering running suit could not spare her from Taliban taunts and threats. The Afghan middle-distance runner nonetheless trekked on and was on the verge of realizing her Olympic dream. But now Andyar — slated to be the only female Afghan athlete at the Beijing Games — has gone missing from her training site just weeks before the opening ceremonies.
Andyar has not contacted any Afghan or international track-and-field authorities since disappearing Friday from a training facility in Formia, Italy, 106 miles (170 km) south of Rome, where she and other international athletes were based in June. Italian police are investigating the disappearance, though there are no signs of foul play. Her bags and passport were also gone from her room, a sign that she may have left on her own.

No scenario is being ruled out, and Andyar did not have any special security detail. One possible explanation is that the 19-year-old may be seeking asylum somewhere in Europe, following repeated threats and humiliation from Muslim extremists, including false rumors that she was a prostitute. Nick Davies, spokesman for the IAAF, the world track-and-field governing body, said there had been no signs that Andyar was having second thoughts about competing in Beijing. "It was quite a surprise to us," Davies told TIME. "We don't know where she is. All we know is that she and her bags are gone."

The 800- and 1,500-meter runner, whose best times are far slower than international standards, was an Olympic Solidarity Scholarship athlete, paid for by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and trained by the IAAF, a program that offers special opportunities to competitors in troubled conditions.

An Italian Olympic official said Andyar and other athletes who had previously been training in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, had been in Formia the past month to train, and as a base for European track meets. "We were only the hosts," the Italian official said. "They were in transit here."

The other Afghan track athlete expected in Beijing, a male sprinter, as well as an Afghan trainer were also at the Formia facility, and they told authorities they were unaware of Andyar's whereabouts. TIME contacted both the Afghan Olympic Committee and the country's track-and-field association in Kabul, but neither knew where Andyar was. An Afghan Olympic official said the team holds the right to substitute Andyar with another female athlete, though the IOC would have the last word.

Davies says the runner was scheduled to return to Malaysia with the other Asia-based athletes just a few days after she disappeared. Although she could still wind up competing at the Olympics, Davies says that every passing day makes it more likely that Afghanistan will have no women at the Games.

Four years ago in Athens, Robina Muqimyar ran the 100 meters and Friba Rezihi competed in judo, becoming the first Afghan women ever to compete in the Olympics. If Andyar doesn't make it to Beijing, it will be one more sign that those making the most progress these days in Afghanistan are the bad guys. — With reporting by Ali Safi/Kabul

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1821203,00.html?imw=Y

I hope this wasn't already posted...

By MaFe on Jul 13, 2008, 20:20 in Off Topic.

dwmte7 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:48:

she's outta sight.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 15, 2008, 11:05:

Do you think they killed her..or she just ran?

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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dwmte7 says on Jul 16, 2008, 00:45:

i think she's runnin for her life.

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:40:

No doubt those low life camel humpin taliban would kill if they got the chance....but before doing that they would rape her first.

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MaFe says on Jul 18, 2008, 19:12:

Yeah...they would rape her, beat the living daylight out of her, torture her, then kill her and proclaim her a traitor!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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LDW says on Jul 18, 2008, 23:00:

Yes MaFE...and they would be doing exactly what their islamic god is telling them to do.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 19, 2008, 06:14:

correction.....the koran is the same as genesis...excepting the part of mohammed's life.

these radical murderers are not islamic...they are criminals, murderers.

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 21, 2008, 17:00:

wrong dwmte.....the prophet of islam said..."if anyone changes his islamic religion, kill him".

Also...verse 4:24 of the Koran allows muslims to have their way with captive women. In other words, rape is OK in Islam.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:57:

is that to say it's ok with you?

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 21, 2008, 21:14:

I don't take it's ok with any sane person...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 09:05:

ditto.

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:03:

dwmte7...no....it's not OK...as should be obvious from my comment, and from other comments in other threads I have made in this forum.

It was you who said that rape and murder are not islamic. I am saying that rape and murder are acceptable islamic behavior, which statement I can easily support from the koran, hadith, and authoritative (foremost islamic scholars) tafsirs (tafsir means "interpretation") on the koran.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:20:

i don't care what you read/use for support/proffer to defend your posture'/and'/or believe in.

murder, rape is not the teaching of the prophet and any extrapolation of scripture to make it look like it is, is false. period.

mohammed was the avatar. perfect. he was a soul without sin. mere men, unless liberated, are not.

to hash the pure horse shit that fundamentalist radicals desiminate is nonsense and a waste of everyone's time. those who profess and follow these false teachings/teachers, are no more than murderers. again, period. martyrs? ha. if GOD, wanted his divine creation destroyed...HE would destroy it. HE clearly needs no help from the diseased and inferm.

love is the law...love under will. anything less is false.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:36:

I have to agree with Douglas...my friend is Muslim I asked her this and she was very offended! She said no where in Koran does it say raping is ok! The problem is that people interpret things the way they want to!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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LDW says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:33:

wow dwmte7......you believe that your wonderful prophet was so perfect?

Not only was it the teaching of the prophet to be a rapist, he authorized and/or participated in rape himself. It's easy to demonstrate from islamic sources themselves that the prophet of islam was a thief, pedophile, rapist, and murderer.

Verse 4:24, and the related Tafsirs are very clear. Sex with captive women is allowed. I would characterize sex with a woman who is being held captive against her will as being rape.

Of course muslims like to explain away the filth in their religious literature by mentioning the "historical context". The "historical context" of that verse is documented in their hadith and is what amounts to be the most damning evidence of all.

It is documented in the Sahih (sahih means "genuine", or "authentic") Muslim hadith, book 8, number 3432......quote:

"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

Right hand possession are "captives", as explained in the Tafsir of Al Jalalayn. Note that "he sent an army", which means that the prophet was the agressor.

And that isn't all.........There's more...... Sahih Muslim Book 8...number 3371.....quote:

"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

So there you have it. We can see several things:

(1) The prophet and his men wanted "ransom", meaning that the prophet and his men were engaged in human trafficking.

(2) The prophet told his men to go have their way with those captive women, which means he and his pimp allah authorized rape.

(3) It is clear from the hadith that Mohammed and his men were attacking somebody else's territory (expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq), which means he was the aggressor.

There is your "historical context" for Verse 4:24.

And.....by the way.....these are islamic sources (hadith and tafsir), not my sources. I didn't write that stuff.

And MaFE....I am not going to accuse your muslim "friend" of deliberately misleading you, but what she is telling you is wrong. Rape is authorized in the Koran. It is easy to demonstrate that from islamic sources.

And by the way, be careful about referring to her as your "friend", which she may very well be to you (and I will not fault you for that), but as far as she is concerned, her god allah tells her that you cannot be a friend to her. Verse 5:51 of her Koran says so.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 24, 2008, 20:00:

friend, GOD, misleads noone, ever. you are sadly misled.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:41:

LDW, you are entitled to your opinions. I try not to generalize a person because of their religion/sex/ethnicity.

I also agree with Douglas...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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LDW says on Jul 25, 2008, 09:51:

actually dwmte7.....you are the one who is misled. I can present more proofs, from islamic literature itself, to support my position....that the prophet of islam was a liar, thief, murderer, adulterer, rapist, and pedophile.

All you have presented so far are airheaded homilies with the dreamy thought that the prophet ws some saintly sort of man.....and no proofs (from islamic literature) whatsoever to support what you say. Of course, that is usally the MO for people of blind faith, which appears to afflict you.

And...actually, according to Koran, the god of islam does mislead people. In verse 3:54, that god calls himself the "best of deceivers". In other words, the god of islam admits that he is a liar.

And MaFe.....what I presented were NOT my opinions. They are from Islamic sources. None of that stuff was written by any infidel like me.

They are the opinions of Islam's foremost scholars (Ibn Kathir, Al Qurtubi, and Al Jalalayn). I didn't write any of that stuff. You can google any of those names (they are varying English spellings for Qurtubi).

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dwmte7 says on Jul 25, 2008, 10:59:

see, friend, if all this hate and venum produces peace within you, which is what i would wish for you...or does it further enflame anger and frustration which keeps one, forever, wide of the goal

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 25, 2008, 11:02:

Actually.......dwmte7....it's the god of islam who preaches hate....not me.

Just read verse 7:166 of the koran.

[7.166] Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

and...98:6

[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

Looks to me like the god of islam is preaching hate.

You see.....dwmte7....I present proofs. You have presented none.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 25, 2008, 11:10:

pissing matches hold no interest for me. not with you, not with the koran, not with GOD.

i lived in iran for 13 years, a shia country, i married a godjar lady (turkik origin) and made ashad...testiment. i was a member of a sufi society for a number of years but i removed my self because i didn't live the laws of the order. no drugs, no extramarital sex. i broke the rules, and rather than cast shadow on the order, i left.

as for your words about GOD, i, were i you, would tether my tongue.

if what you believe and preach, bring not peace to you, first of all, and to other's as a result, then your beliefs are weak/wrong.

"thus reader have i given thee my best advise. and now it appears that thou shouldst rail at me for it. maybe thou are as one who has a free spirit. as for myself, i would say, if that liberality concerns not thy credit, i wouldst have thee keep thy spleen to thyself, for i wouldst not have thee spend, what thou canst well spare" thomas vaughn 1643 thus he.

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 25, 2008, 11:43:

well....dwmte7......I have the following comments

(1) If you made the ashad...testament...that's your problem, not mine.
(2) Your prophet didn't live the laws of sufi society either, because he had more than 4 wives, and had extra marital sex. He was also a murderer, slave trader, pedophile, and thief. I am not making any of this up. It's all in your islamic books. And......if your prophet was actually your god's apostle, that makes your god guilty of those things as well.
(3) Sufis are considered apostates by many shias and sunnis anyhow.
(4) I am entitled to my opinions about anybody's god, including yours. You are talking as if I require your permission (or the permission of some religious leader) to dislike the filth of the koran and hadith. Guess what. I don't require your permission, or anybody else's for that matter.
(5) Not a single word I have said in this forum has advocated violence or harm to anybody. On the other hand, the koran and hadith are full of such stuff.
(6) I have not uttered a hateful word to you or anybody else in here. On the other hand, your god allah tells you to hate non muslims. It's in the koran.

I know that Iran is a shia country. Their foremost imam of our life time (Khomeini) preached the marrying of infant girls, and presided over a country where the legal age for a girl to marry is 9. That should be no surprise, as your own prophet married a 6 year old girl (Ayesha) and took her to bed when she was 9. That same Khomeini even wrote a book in which he, among many other things, precribed the rules for shias to have sex with goats and sheep.

And of course, shias have a convenient way to dance around the issue of adultery. It's called "muta", or temporary marriage. A man and a woman can agree to marry for any period of a few minutes to a few hours or days, go for a romp in the bed, and then dissolve the "marriage" at the time agreed to beforehand.

I can understand why you don't want a pissing match. You have found yourself debating somebody who has actually studied the literature rather than just being enraptured by the ceremony of it all. But if you are going to make a statement that murder and rape are unislamic, you should be able to offer some proof from islamic literature. You cannot. I don't blame you for that. There is nothing in that literature that could possibly give you any support.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 25, 2008, 11:49:

to consider khomeni an imam, is wide of the truth. all these mulahs today call themselves imams. ha.

shibli, was an imam compare khomeni to him. ali was an imam, compare that brute in iraq with him....you're reading should teach you this.

dwmte

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LDW says on Jul 25, 2008, 11:57:

I know that all those mullahs consider themselves to be imams, including Khomeini.

And whether you (or I or anybody else for that matter) consider Khomeini to be an imam or not is not the issue. Shias consider him to be an imam. He was certainly the foremost imam to them in Iran, because that evil man was in charge there.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 27, 2008, 01:53:

I'm locking this thread at this point. I find LDW's position extremely intolerant and provocative, but since it is not directed personally at any other poster here it can't be considered ad hominem and I won't delete it. However, I deem it totally pointless to discuss religion in an atmosphere of hatred and intolerance.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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