what a drag it is getting old....

kalder says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:48:

Someone once told me that as old age encroaches, one compensation is that all women appear beautiful. Well, perhaps. And if you were too old, I expect it wouldn't make any difference- you wouldn't be able to bed them anyway. And I've had no foretaste of this process as I've entered middle age.

Sorry Doug, I've gone off at a tangent. I don't mean to be facetious. I'm sorry some swine's had your computer. Bastard. The thief that is. I hope your day shapes up to be a good one.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

gringoloid says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:50:

kalder that is true.......mother nature, in her infinite wisdom designed our eyes to go bad as we age.......so yes, all women look good after certain age because we can't really see them!!

kalder says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:55:

Thank God for that!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Desi1 (Moderator) says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:56:

The same happens with us women too...as we get older our eysight gets worse and the old geezers start suddenly looking attractive to us....alas they only have eyes for younger women :( with good eyesight to spot the size of the bulge....in their back pockets, of course. What did you think?

kalder says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:59:

Not always though. The local paper quite often announces weddings between loved-up oldies here.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Desi1 (Moderator) says on Jan 13, 2008, 12:25:

I think it's all good. Guys that don't feel like they must have more children or a trophy wife in the last third of their life are really best suited to live with mature women anyway.

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 13:17:

Douglas,

I'm sorry to hear about your computer. I'll follow your example and not write what I think about the son of a bitch that took it. (Well . . . let me just stop there . . . (oops) . . .).

Be strong brother - Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

aztec says on Jan 13, 2008, 15:53:

Old age makes us wiser. We are better able to recognize the beauty in women of all ages, sizes and colors.

Colombiche says on Jan 13, 2008, 15:59:

Just think about it this way, old age is better than the alternative. We are all going to be there, it is just a matter of when.

Un beso Douglas, cuidate mucho.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

scotty says on Jan 13, 2008, 17:20:

old age sucks!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 17:46:

Dear Douglas,

I can’t tell you anything about getting old although my body doesn’t react the same as when I was in my 20s. I’m in my early 40s and plan to compete in a martial arts tournament in March. My wife thinks I’m crazy because she thinks I’ll get hurt. Imagine, I’m competing in the “senior" division which is 35 years plus years category. If there aren’t enough competitors, then I’ll be sparring in my weight class (heavy weight division). It dawned on me that I am trying to hold on part of my youth since I’ve been doing martial arts for more than 20 years. Then I have friends in their 50s that are still active and don’t think about age – just dieting, exercise, and training.

As far as you’re concerned, I can only borrow wisdom from the Ancients and hope you find it comforting as I do. Below is an excerpt but I will provide a link to the source anyway. Socrates in the protagonist and he was a conversation with his older friend Cephalus on old age.

Plato’s Republic Chapter 1.

"Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon, the son of Aristonymus. There too was Cephalus, the father of Polemarchus, whom I had not seen for a long time, and I thought him very much aged. He was seated on a cushioned chair, and had a garland on his head, for he had been sacrificing in the court; and there were some other chairs in the room arranged in a semicircle, upon which we sat down by him. He saluted me eagerly, and then he said:

You don't come to see me, Socrates, as often as you ought: If I were still able to go and see you I would not ask you to come to me. But at my age I can hardly get to the city, and therefore you should come oftener to the Piraeus. For, let me tell you that the more the pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me are the pleasure and charm of conversation. Do not, then, deny my request, but make our house your resort and keep company with these young men; we are old friends, and you will be quite at home with us.

I replied: There is nothing which for my part I like better, Cephalus, than conversing with aged men; for I regard them as travellers who have gone a journey which I too may have to go, and of whom I ought to inquire whether the way is smooth and easy or rugged and difficult. And this is a question which I should like to ask of you, who have arrived at that time which the poets call the "threshold of old age": Is life harder toward the end, or what report do you give of it?

I will tell you, Socrates, he said, what my own feeling is. Men of my age flock together; we are birds of a feather, as the old proverb says; and at our meetings the tale of my acquaintance commonly is: I cannot eat, I cannot drink; the pleasures of youth and love are fled away; there was a good time once, but now that is gone, and life is no longer life. Some complain of the slights which are put upon them by relations, and they will tell you sadly of how many evils their old age is the cause. But to me, Socrates, these complainers seem to blame that which is not really in fault. For if old age were the cause, I too, being old, and every other old man would have felt as they do. But this is not my own experience, nor that of others whom I have known. How well I remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to the question, How does love suit with age, Sophocles - are you still the man you were? Peace, he replied; most gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master. His words have often occurred to my mind since, and they seem as good to me now as at the time when he uttered them. For certainly old age has a great sense of calm and freedom; when the passions relax their hold, then, as Sophocles says, we are freed from the grasp not of one mad master only, but of many. The truth is, Socrates, that these regrets, and also the complaints about relations, are to be attributed to the same cause, which is not old age, but men's characters and tempers; for he who is of a calm and happy nature will hardly feel the pressure of age, but to him who is of an opposite disposition youth and age are equally a burden. . . . "

Source : http://www.mdx.ac.uk/WWW/STUDY/xpla.htm

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 18:37:

I love the last line. Thanks Plato

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

houstongal says on Jan 13, 2008, 18:43:

".....let me tell you that the more the pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me are the pleasure and charm of conversation." Thus the charm of the PBH conversation Douglas.

Perfect Plato!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 18:44:

You my dawg bro!!! You're welcome.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 18:45:

HG and I don't have sandpaper personalities at least. jaja

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:04:

Hey, we do philosophy here to, don't we?

Dawg, you and HG are far , very far, from having sandpaper personalities.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

slguy says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:11:

But I thought grit was a good thing? Kim Darby liked it!

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christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:13:

With your name and avatar, you are actually required to be our resident philosopher.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:13:

Now let's take a look at this excerpt a little more closely:

"How well I remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to the question, How does love suit with age, Sophocles - are you still the man you were? Peace, he replied; most gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master. His words have often occurred to my mind since, and they seem as good to me now as at the time when he uttered them. For certainly old age has a great sense of calm and freedom; when the passions relax their hold, then, as Sophocles says, we are freed from the grasp not of one mad master only, but of many."

What do you think this means? Who are the furious masters that rules one's life if not overcome? Sexual lust. (Whoa! A scandal for some PBHer's! ) Think about it: if one's focus is constantly on sex, that focus governs all decisions. This is the mad and furious master. As one gets older, hopefully one overcomes being a slave to unbridled sexual desires and therefore begins to gain control of it. You begin to get more out of life because you're in more control of your passions.

I know this is tough for the chucha brigrade, but it's the truth.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:15:

Slguy, I like grit too.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:21:

Why not enjoy a bit of chucha in old age, and yet enjoy not being such a slave to it as when young?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:23:

I agree Dawg. That's the ideal. Now who here can claim that virtue? I don't. It's a good thing I have my wife.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:26:

Does Elmo have that virtue? Jajaja!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:27:

I'll have to defer to Elmo on that one. Has he already moved to Colombia, and dropped us, as Mona did?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

scotty says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:30:

"what a drag it is getting old" wasnt that line in a song by the Rolling Stones?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Plato says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:31:

Elmo hasn't been posting lately? I've been out for awhile myself. Really? Elmo's hasn't been posting? Don't know much about Mona.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

slguy says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:35:

elmo never posts on weekends, or rarely. he's out with the "we never get chucha" club.

yea, scotty, it was. VERY early Stones. I keep thinking "19th nervous breakdown", but I don't think that's it....

dawg, I called today. who's the chick?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:40:

just someone to make it seem that I am an actual business, not just some guy working out of the house in my pj's. It's just me though, you can leave a message and noone hears it. It is not screened by corporate guys in suits or anything, as there aren't any. jaja

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

slguy says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:45:

I pushed the button for you to see the number- didn't work? I figured that would be better than "answer the damned phone, you useless old dawg!" jajajajjaa

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:57:

I'll call ya. Hopefully you won't also have a fake sexatary answering

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

scotty says on Jan 13, 2008, 20:37:

slguy, i thought i had heard that line before " what a drag it is getting old". Im not sure but i think it was from a song the Stones did called Mothers Little Helper?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

slguy says on Jan 13, 2008, 20:42:

That's the one! Thanks...was making me crazy trying to remember which song...is the opening line, just before the downbeat

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 20:45:

these guys should know:

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

slguy says on Jan 13, 2008, 20:51:

dammit. I went to youtube to find it, came back to post it- and the dawg beat me to the punch!

That's it. no more youtube searches for me! (I guess it's payback for Kelly, huh? ;) )

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

christobeldawg says on Jan 13, 2008, 20:54:

as long as the job gets done, I don't care who gets credited. jaja

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

scotty says on Jan 13, 2008, 23:26:

thats it, the first line in Mothers Little Helper. Good song!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

huskie says on Jan 14, 2008, 05:06:

We all need to grow old graciously and enjoy life
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

scotty says on Jan 14, 2008, 15:29:

easier said than done huskie

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

msaucey says on Jan 14, 2008, 20:36:

As I get older I start welcoming what comes along with it eventually.... Retirement is in the future.... Okay, I'm on crack, doesn't look like I'm retiring anytime soon....

Needless to say Doug.... Getting older comes with it's goods along with it's bads...

I'm sorry that some HP's stole your laptop, especially after all the work you wen through to get it up and running like you wanted....

If you're in the market.... Here's a couple links, but I don't know if you're looking, if you're even interested or what your price range is... But, thought I'd help...

http://daytona.craigslist.org/sys/534900422.html
http://daytona.craigslist.org/sys/538198260.html

And I know, there's some people that don't like craigslist, but I do... I've bought computers (and other items) from private parties on craigslist in the past and didn't experience any issues...

Good Luck and don't foget... We are here for you... 24/7, you're bound to find one of us...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

dwmte7 says on Jan 22, 2008, 07:37:

well all true and most dear friends...pity is something no one--of any age--needs, nor do i seek or want. alas. i've lived an incredible and full life, a little scandle and much dalience not withstanding. now with the declinations concommitant with age--which i do not as the friend of socrates noted--regret nor worry about. no, my life is full--a pain in the ass or two now and then, but is not life punctuated by such issues? again, friends, i thank you for your thoughts and commisserations.

this--the muck of b.s. that's laced the last months--has only strengthend my/our resolve to reduce our life's organization to a level beyond sabbotage brought about by untoward circum- stances. we'll hermitize ourselves at a level that unless the soc. security system collapses completely, we can make our way until such date as the young one enters university and passes into the responsible hands of her older brother in washington d.c. and then, mom and i can get the fuck outta here and return to the land of our heart's delight and RELAX, por fin.

now it seems, that three more years appears an eternity, but in reality, will pass in the twinkle of an eye...much more true as you who are blessed with age well know, time is most fleeting. and before i/we know it, laura juliana, will be off to georgetown univ and the air force academy and mom and i will be back home eating comida bien rica and hanging out with friends and family and basically catching up on some well earned/deserved rest, from all the toil i've laden myself with these many years of my life.

how i look forward to sitting across the table with some of you wrinkled--and not so wrinkled--friends and sipping a roncito and sharing war tales of a life happily spent.

until then, most dear friends, be well, do good works and definitely keep in touch.
douglas

dwmte