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WEll... there it is!!!

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

By Colombiche on Apr 4, 2008, 09:17 in Off Topic.

Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:18:

BUMP

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:21:

bump

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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msaucey says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:29:

That's some sick and crazy stuff CB, I'm sorry that you had to experience this first hand....

I'm in agreement that further security should be put in place on PBH and that he who is guilty should definitely be dealt with... Ignoring the issue doesn't fix it...

People who do these twisted things, are a danger to all of those in contact... It's just as bad as if someone broke into your house.... Your life is tainted from the moment it happens and you are exposed...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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vicshere says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:30:

well this is interesting ...because last year I had almost the same problem here on PBH and the mods did very little about....actually I was blamed for sending threatening and instigating attacks over email and what not......well it nice to know I am not alone...and I also think the culprit still walks among us here as we speak

listo

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:38:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

If you are sure who did all that come out with usernames and proofs not just rantlings. There is nothing new. It seems someone did hurt you, but before pointing fingers make sure of what you said or who you incriminate.

Security starts at home, I remember GIB once thought his account was hacked, guess what it was not.

Don´t hold yourself, but don´t make mistakes either.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:43:

Wow, the internet is weird. This isn't exactly wonderful promotional material for internet forums.

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:45:

My account was hacked, it wasn't my imagination, neither was the grief I had to deal with.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 09:46:

Not to be disrespectful or anything, but wouldn't you be very hesistant to continue on a site like this after an experience like that?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:38:

Colombiche is telling the truth, I witnessed the whole thing. I was one of the people who received an e-mail with the contensts of her inbox. At this point, I'm not willing to point a finger in any direction; there's circumstancial evidence that the person is also a memebr of this forum; a name has come up, but we're looking into it.

Anyway, this is something that happened...what, a couple of years ago. Nothing after that.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:39:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

Desi, please do elaborate.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:41:

In due time.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:41:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

Two years? It is about time.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:43:

It wasn't a couple of years ago, it wasn't even a year ago.

I can't believe some people up here just say "oh well, stop posting then" or "big deal, your problem you should take security measures".

This is real and it can happen to anybody and it doesn't mean she wasn't taking security measures or doing anything to deserve it.

The owner of the other blog had evidence that he collected overtime that he shared with the owner of this site at one point in time.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:48:

" can't believe some people up here just say "oh well, stop posting then" or "big deal, your problem you should take security measures". "

who's saying that?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:51:

What really worries me here is some people post links and I have notice that some of the links have a virus in it, it happened twice, thanks god i have an anti-virus but i remember one of the link have a nasty one in it so that is why i avoid clicking in links when i don't know very well the member.

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:51:

"wouldn't you be very hesistant to continue on a site like this after an experience like that?"

You are right, perhaps I should have been hesitant, but I didn't think it was right to let a mean spirited person stop me from doing the things I like .... writing, posting. I've been a member of the site for over 3 years and have contributed my time and efforts to try to keep it going.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:55:

Yeah I absolutely agree with you there. Hopefully there is justice in this all, I mean that sincerely.

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Simon says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:57:

Don't you worry CB, when I get my hands on this hacker scumbag......"I gonna carve him up real nice!"

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:57:

Thanks, but unfortunately a coward on the net can get away with a lot. :(

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:58:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

ManINre
Hopefully there is justice in this all

I second that. :-) :-) :-) :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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msaucey says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:58:

Desi, I find this information very distubing and whatever is being reviewed should be taken care of... As one of the few female posters on PBH, this makes it really hard to understand what is taking soo long....

I received an e-mail from a different female poster that was harassed and her computer was attacked, she has completely stopped posting on this forum for similar situation...

What needs to be done to escalate the serious security concerns on the forum?....

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who the person on PBH is since he keeps posting on this thread...and apparently wants to be exposed....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 10:59:

I was wrong, it was a year ago. I've been going through my mailbox, I might still have that e-mail buried under 23000 messages.....

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:00:

Kat, this is an aside, but to avoid those problems, use the free Firefox browser(http://www.mozilla.com/firefox). Then download the NoScript and AdBlock Plus extensions from the "add-ons" section of that same site. These things keep ads and scripts from running on your browser without your specific consent. This will avoid things like viruses and spyware from being placed on your computer. Obviously, a current anti-virus program is also essential.

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:00:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who the person on PBH is since he keeps posting on this thread...and apparently wants to be exposed....

I am not a genius, who is it? Msaucey

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

I want the true to be exposed. I see people going in wrong directions, I wish I have the answer.

All I can say is, "La ignorancia es atrevida"

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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aztec says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:14:

ColombianoGringo, excellent advice. I also use the Firefox browser and even use Opera in tandem. Have both open at the same time. NEVER use Internet Explorer! In addition while I have three new computers with Vista I still use the older one with the Linux operating system Ubuntu.

In the years since using Ubuntu I have never had any virus or Trojan.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:19:

Thanks CG , I use firefox but some trojans seem to pass through...:( only that my anti-virus detect them.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:21:

ufff! real drama, not just the made up kind. sorry to hear the bad news. i think we should all take CG's advice.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:22:

Msaucey, I think I know who is this female poster. I warned her seriously to stay away from trolls; they are nothing but trouble. AFAIK these two incidents are totally unrelated. But, you all need to be careful, of course. A forum like this attracts a lot of people, all kinds of people. The good, the bad and the ugly.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:23:

You really should download NoScript. It is free in the add-ons section and will automatically block any scripts. This is usually how mal-ware is placed on your PC through the browser. You can exempt sites that you trust and allow the others on a case by case basis. However, this will not help if you download a file that has a virus or trojan in it. For that, you need a good anti-virus. Also, make sure to use either Yahoo or Gmail with the web interface for your email and avoid Outlook Express like the plague. Yahoo and Gmail scan all attachments before allowing you to download them.

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aztec says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:27:

kat1, download the NoScript and AdBlock Plus extensions from the "add-ons" section for the Firfox brower(as per CG). They will slow it down a little but it is a fair trade off.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

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El Polo says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:34:

"Thanks, but unfortunately a coward on the net can get away with a lot"

its called internet insurgency.

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El Polo says on Apr 4, 2008, 11:37:

Sorry to hear that CB & thanks for the heads up.

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msaucey says on Apr 4, 2008, 12:05:

Desi, what is the PBH policy on harrassment?... What will it take to get some protection on this forum.... Aside, from that female member, there was another member that felt she was forced to leave too, for similar situation, a few months ago...

Why was the red flag ignored, my understanding is the CBlog notified PBH?.... Or is this site more of a, "oh well, it didn't happen on my watch, so it didn't happen", type of place....

This is very disturbing to say the least.....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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msaucey says on Apr 4, 2008, 12:06:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who the person on PBH is since he keeps posting on this thread...and apparently wants to be exposed....

I am not a genius, who is it? Msaucey

Webmanco, porque se hace el bobo, si tu sabes el dolor que has hecho....

Pathetic....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 12:17:

Msaucey, send me a pm, since you are not accepting any.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 12:19:

I'm moving this thread to Off-topic. We can continue discussing it there. I

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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robi666 says on Apr 4, 2008, 12:23:

Ok...
First, Rubito accusing Webmanco to harass persons on cBlog.
Then, Colombiche explaining it in some details.
And then msaucey.

Are you saying that Webmanco did it?
Please, be clear about that. Elaborate.
It is not correct to accuse someone like this and not explain so he can defend himself.

What I can say it is that Webmanco seems a straight and intelligent person for what he posts here.

About Vic problem: I guess that he had a problem with the (in)famous Colombiamike, and he was taken out of the board by the mods. So they acted well about it. O no?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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msaucey says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:05:

Desi, I've sent you a PM.... I disabled it, because like I said, I am highly disturbed, by the activities on this board....

robi, are you looking for a 16 page docket or something?..... Most serial killers seem decent and normal too, but it doesn't make them less of a killer....

The issue continues to stem that members are not getting the protection when requested even when there is evidence.... It's like a cop that keeps showing up at the door, but because there's no blood on floor, nothing will be done.... Abuse none the less is still abuse....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Man Tequila says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:07:

Hatred is a coward's revenge for being intimidated. (Shaw)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:22:

Sigh.

I am sensible sane person, I am not a troll and I don't talk out of my behind. Exhaustive research was done at cblog, JD is very hands on and does not put up with any shit. If the person in question wants to dispute this evidence.. you know where to go.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:23:

We have not had any security problems here.
This far. Cross my fingers.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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goin_south says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:27:

well... one could be fighting cancer, I suppose.

go, scotty! go!

Where do we go from here?

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aztec says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:29:

These kinds of unsubstantiated accusations make all of us guilty.

It is like when I was a school principal some of my new teachers would punish the whole class instead if dealing with the culprit. Experience corrects this kind of medieval punishment.

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Colombiche says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:32:

BULLSHIT.

There is nothing unsubstantiated here and I am not the one who brought up the topic.

You know what... I don't need this.

This does remind me of msaucey's example... woman asks for help but nobody listens until she is ... what??? 6 feet under?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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robi666 says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:33:

"'We have not had any security problems here.
This far. Cross my fingers''

I was using Ray account for an hour or so. You know that Desi. It was fun...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:36:

I knew that. But you guys are friends and he GAVE you the password, big difference.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:36:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

Robi666 thanks for your input.

Colombiche, I had tried by all means to make you understand that you are wrong, now don`t come with Jd`s knowgled, the hack started elswhere and most likely the one to blame is around there.

Mscsuae, I do need the 16 page brief, do you deliver? :-)

Rubito, Msaucey and Colombiche, anyone else joinin?

Colombiche
I am not a troll
well you are acting like one.

Colombiche, it would help to name the handle, not just "the person in question"

If the person in question (who?) wants to dispute this evidence.. you (who)? know where to go
I don`t need to prove anyone wrong, do I? How can anyone dispute anything when nothing has been delivered? Here I go again, Msaucey I do need the 16 page brief, do you deliver? :-) My PM has been always on, I don`t need to be paranoid, specially over the internet.

"Exhaustive research was done at cblog" (clap, clap, clap) :-)

What a poor job, either someone is making things up, and you are taking it all, or as I said you Colombiche, Rubito and now Msaucey had been brainwashed, what a pity.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 13:37:

desi i sent you a message

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Man Tequila says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:13:

Most folks here are not in a position to say whether the claims are unsubstantiated or not. I am not. I tend to give more sensible posters the benefit of the doubt.

I think Msaucey's analogy is very valid. If Colombiche said she was hacked, I would believe her. If this is the case, it would indeed appear that there is a serious security problem. If the hacker posted here and the other moderators did not take that problem seriously, I would share Colombiche's concerns. More so if this problem spilled over into my real life.

As for people taking the board too seriously, some posters seem to harrass the mods more than others, and to carry grievances to the point of sending off e-mails defending their point of view to people they do not know.

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:14:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

I am in a position.

Man Tequila now think if you are incriminate on something you have not done. No one is saying Colombiche has not been hacked, but the question is by who, and wether there are valid proofs.

Now let me put it clear if Colombiche thinks Webmanco is the one who did the hacking, she is WRONG, and therefore anyone joining that idea, even if following a wrong analogy. :-) or "women" instincts. :-)

And by the way, I am the most sensible poster around here. :-)

Lo lamento, a mal tiempo buena cara.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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aztec says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:33:

Colombiche why don't you calm down and try to help us understand. Most of us have no ax to grind and are more than willing to provide assistance. But darn, you are not making it easy.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:43:

IMO All of this could have been handle in a different way..
and I mean from the the beginning of the other thread the one in the link

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:45:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

The other thread is a ghost (thanks Kat) thread, it won`t go on top.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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aztec says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:49:

What do you mean by a gosth thread?

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:52:

That usually when someone post on a thread, such thread goes on top, so everyone knows at the moment that there is a new coment.

Well this one not.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:53:

I mean the name droppings, people guessing.... of course everything it's going to ended up like this...
not everybody knows what happened so speculations are going to start.

And really this happened in Cblog, so far nothing has happened in PBH and I am sure Peter will take note and make sure this won't happen in PBH..

about people receiving nasty pm's, well easy you can either change it or blocked that person.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:55:

i don't get it webmanco, why that thread was brought on top then?

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webmanco says on Apr 4, 2008, 14:57:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

On a regular thead if you comment something, that thread comes first at the top when you click on the Active link, not this one, last commented by Peter.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 15:14:

I am confused :((((

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MaFe says on Apr 4, 2008, 15:34:

It's very disturbing to know that there are people so immature and desperate that would lower themselves into breaking into someones account....very sickening..
I am sorry that you went through that Colombiche...que pena..que susto...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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goin_south says on Apr 4, 2008, 16:20:

yeah, I re-iterate MaFe's lament. but, it's true... the internet - this forum - is a microcosm of the world. There are some real good people here. I have met a few handfuls of them personally, now. And, then there's a few others. It's the way the world is. Every place has its vulnerability. I'm sorry about what happen to Colombiche too. She's a really great contributor, I think, here on pbh. I've only visited that other site 2 or 3 times. So, I don't know about all that.

Where do we go from here?

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 16:28:

"it's true... the internet - this forum - is a microcosm of the world"

Wow goin_south, you're on a roll with good analogies and great theories!

Where's Inspector Morse when you need him? He'd solve this case.

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goin_south says on Apr 4, 2008, 16:45:

yeah,.... I have my moments; maybe not today, though ;-((

Where do we go from here?

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El Polo says on Apr 4, 2008, 16:49:

Whoever is responsible for the hack is a coward.

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manINred says on Apr 4, 2008, 17:14:

why not today? I think to an increasing extent that the internet is indeed a microcosm of the world! Very well put.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 4, 2008, 18:21:

all this, and on a message board.

some of the things that i have seen here have amazed me, made me mad, perplexed me (like this post), saddened me, motivated me, enlightened me as well as given me hope.

who knew a msg board could be so dynamic.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Man Tequila says on Apr 4, 2008, 18:59:

Like I said, I am not in any position to make judgements. If someone sends malicious e-mails from your account to all your friends, you don't need to debate whether you've been hacked or not, it's very clear. As for who or why, I could not say.

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vicshere says on Apr 4, 2008, 19:04:

About Vic problem: I guess that he had a problem with the (in)famous Colombiamike, and he was taken out of the board by the mods. So they acted well about it. O no?

rob I believe colombianmike is still among us and is someone we know very well....but I don't have any solid proof....every once and a while he will poke his ungly head out of his hole

listo

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pedro says on Apr 4, 2008, 19:06:

Colombia Mike posts on here as DodgerDogs.

que nota!

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goin_south says on Apr 4, 2008, 20:55:

Col Mike?
DD?
two very different characters.
Dodger Dog posts some darned interesting things here about Colombia

Where do we go from here?

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DodgerDogs says on Apr 4, 2008, 21:04:

pedro: As most aussies knows little to nothing. I heard he was aussie Greg's main man.
If you ever met pedro you would know what I mean. So do not accuse people of things,
you no nothing about. My name is not Colombiamike,.. Desi and G.S know who I am.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 5, 2008, 00:08:

I am all for Freedom expression as long as you attack the comment not the poster, to me when someone restort in attacking the poster then to me that person will lost all credibility and can't be bother debating anymore.
I don't know how the thread about freedom expression turn into this one.....

As I said I am all for freedom of expression, but this is different from hacking someone email or account then it is not freedom of expression is a criminal act,and a coward one....

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DodgerDogs says on Apr 5, 2008, 01:59:

Hacking a person's pc is invasion of privacy , and is done by warped people.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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pedro says on Apr 5, 2008, 03:34:

Aha, the usual useless ad-libbed crap from DD.

DD is a loser and will be on my ignore from now on.

que nota!

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MaFe says on Apr 5, 2008, 08:06:

El Polo says on Friday April 4th, 2008 16:49:

"Whoever is responsible for the hack is a coward."

Very well put!!

Colombiche...you can legally fight this...
"U.S. Justice Department reveals that the National Infrastructure Protection Center has been created in order to protect our major communications, transportation and technology from the attack of hackers. Controlling teens and hackers has become the focus of many governmental groups to stop this maliciousness against individuals, organizations, and nations. "

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 5, 2008, 09:32:

http://viraugasot.blogspot.com/2008/01/farc-rehenes-seres-humanos-y.ht...

Se puede insultar, ironizar, criticar, desaprobar, maldecir, pero no se puede mentir adulterando la realidad, acomodándola falsariamente en la premeditación del timo, del engaño que facilita la verborrea argumental del sofisma. Sobre todo, sobre todo cuando existe una audiencia que desprecia la manipulación y otra más peligrosa, la que todo traga y por lo tanto, la que más engrandece.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Colombiche says on Apr 7, 2008, 08:39:

Well, as I can see it's business as usual.

Too bad, I reached out, found some support but also some really deaf ears regarding this situation.

I cannot have my credibility questioned.

To watch things go on as if nothing have happened is a little more than what I can handle.

Thanks guys and please take care. I very much enjoyed meeting many of you who are wonderful people.

Ciao,

Colombiche.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Apr 7, 2008, 09:01:

hasta pronto

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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tomtom33 says on Apr 7, 2008, 10:03:

Damned if I can figure out why this is off-topic.

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eywed says on Apr 7, 2008, 10:06:

I posted this on another thread and it fits here as well.
Why can't folk on here get it through there heads. It is what it is. If you don't like it here LEAVE. Why in the world would you let an internet Fourm get to ya. Why do you folks come on here and post personal things about yourself and not expect it to come back at some point. And if you don't like it here just leave without all the drama. As for internet security don't have anything on your computer you don't want the rest of the world to see. There are smart folks out there who will worm their way into any computer they set there minds to wanting to get into so if you have personal information on your computer don't you dare cry when someone puts it out there for all to see and use against you. Note to all, YOUR COMPUTER IS NOT SECURE !!!!!! As much as we would like this site to be all warm and fuzzy it's not and it's not going to change anytime soon. So act accordinly.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Colombiche says on Apr 7, 2008, 10:27:

Webmanco, is that "hasta pronto" a threat? Keep laughing at what you did.

Because it is not hasta pronto, god forbid you ever cross my path again.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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vicshere says on Apr 7, 2008, 11:13:

hummmm????

listo

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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 11:13:

Eywed, that's ridiculous. I don't believe in "blame the victim" mentalities.

If someone hacks into your e-mail and sends malicious e-mails to your friends and business associates, this is a crime in many places. It is a gross violation of good taste and acceptable behaviour everywhere.

This is by no means the same as getting upset because someone disagrees with you about whether you can get good mozzarella in Medellin, or having personal stuff on your computer, and it is independent of what blogs and websites you enjoy.

If someone hacks into your computer, you have every right to be offended. If it happened to you, damn straight you'd be upset and crying out.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 11:23:

As for Peter and the other mods, I would hope that if I was a fellow moderator on the board you would take my concerns with the gravity that they warrant. Particularly since you are aware of the hours of hard work involved and the lucho libre environment that sometimes exists here.

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eywed says on Apr 7, 2008, 11:50:

MT - I do blame the victim because if you leave yourself wide open by having an address book in your computer or pass words saved in your computer shame on you. Better put if you have anything you dont want the world to see on your computer don't logg on to the internet There is a good chance you will get hacked so limit your exposisure if you do use the internet. Thats part of being a responsible person. But seem nobody wants to be responsible for there own actions.
Yes it is a crime to hack someone but try getting much resolve from reporting it.
Instead of being offended by someone hacking into your computer one should expect it and protect themself in the event it does. More of a matter of when it will happen not a matter of if it will happen.
As for me MT , you do not know me so you don't no what my response will be. Pissed yes , Cry out , Not over something that I know could happen as a result of me using the internet. Price of using the internet plain and simple. I know the risk so why am I going to cry out and waist my breath.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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eywed says on Apr 7, 2008, 11:59:

MT - The environment is what it is here and as I said before I don't see it changing so why fuss or get upset when you know this.
It would be like me going to Colombia and not liking the crime. I go there knowing the risk and knowing I can't change it but I can sure choose not to go or if I do, protect myself. Should something happen I will not cry out I knew the risk.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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webmanco says on Apr 7, 2008, 13:00:

The internet might be just as riding a motorcicle, it is worth the risk, and I must conffes I am a reckless driver.

I don´t see why someone will be one person over the internet and a complete different human being away from the computer.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 13:08:

No one is trying to change reality.

One should act responsibly, and I personally don't save my passwords, and use protective software. But a year ago someone took a substantial amount of money from a bank account since there was a copier on an ATM machine I had used. After much hassle, the bank paid me back.

Did I feel violated? Of course I did. And though I got paid back, the hassle involved was considerable. I'm still annoyed about it. I could protect myself by not using a cajero again. But there are limits to responsibility, it is reasonable for me to want to use an ATM and reasonable for a business person to have e-mail addresses of their friends and the people they need to contact.

The person who committed this fraud had the audacity to call me up. I was able to keep them on the phone for ten minutes while giving them fake phish, and was able to call the phone company and police on another line. But I don't know if anything came of that or not.

There is also a difference if the person can or cannot be identified. Yeah, the environment here, or in Colombia or anywhere is what it is. Change does not come from staying silent about things that are wrong.

I have diagnosed many people with lung cancer. Most of these folks smoked heavily most of their lives. They cry when I tell them why they are having trouble breathing, wheezing, coughing up blood. These guys "knew the risk", and this gives them no consolation. You might think they deserved it. I think, instead, people deserve our compassion.

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tomtom33 says on Apr 7, 2008, 17:29:

"I don´t see why someone will be one person over the internet and a complete different human being away from the computer."

It is the anonymity. And probably some kind of personality defect as well.

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 11, 2008, 01:55:

I am totally lost. I read the whole thread, and am now more confused than ever.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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goin_south says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:03:

that's the purpose of pbh, RJ;
It's good to see... You Are On Purpose!

Where do we go from here?

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:17:

I think PBH was created for the same reason Colombia shows World Cup games on TV for free, to keep the unsavory element off the streets.

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Aaron21 says on Apr 11, 2008, 21:46:

What is difficult to understand? Colombiche thinks Webmanco broke into her account on Colombianblog (or possibly her private e-mail). Colombiche thinks Webmanco then took her private communications and sent them to others on Colombianblog. Colombiche believes she figured out via PBH that Webmanco was actually the one who did it because of something he said on PBH. Colombiche asked Peter to do something about it. Peter said he was looking into the claim. Colombiche felt that Peter was not moving fast enough or was not doing anything. Colombiche left PBH. That is strictly from memory when I read this thing a week ago. If I am wrong, please correct me. In the mean time, I ask again - what is so difficult to understand?

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 21:50:

Aaron, that pretty much sums it up for me.

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Aaron21 says on Apr 11, 2008, 21:55:

10-4

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:19:

billyb says on Friday April 11th, 2008 21:50:

Aaron, that pretty much sums it up for me.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:20:

jajaja.

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:21:

Did she really leave this board? So sad!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:25:

I don't think so, 'biche is too tough for that.

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:26:

Good!!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Aaron21 says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:31:

She seemed pretty clear above - a little more than 21 posts ... she's gone

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houstongal says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:33:

I'm hoping it's just a sabbatical and she'll be back. We'll see.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:36:

Can't we all just get along?

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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goin_south says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:38:

Everyone leaves for a little while now and then.
Sometimes, more than once or twice.
The prodigals all return home, sooner or later.
Even J_S made a cameo appearance a few nights ago.
Waiting for the return of GIB: next time, gib: THREE STRIKES AND YER OUT! jjaaj

Where do we go from here?

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:40:

Hey patito!
I feel horrible that someone invaded her account...very sad!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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goin_south says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:43:

me 2; but ain't much can be done about it.
everyone can be vulnerable to some extent, so... what's to do?
But, so... now everyone in the world knows your private life???
HELL.. MAKE SOME LEMONADE OUT OF THE LEMONS..
MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT IT!
jaj

Where do we go from here?

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:44:

That does suck. You have to be a scurby little nave to do something like that.

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MaFe says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:45:

It just amazes me what people do online, but like you explained patito...it's no different than the real world!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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goin_south says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:46:

scurby little nave ???

yeah, and we all know those aren't very common....
but, I DO like the sound of it...

Where do we go from here?

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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 22:51:

It's a pirate term, i'm sure slguy can define ;)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 12, 2008, 01:18:

Scurvy little knave? Or something else.

It's too bad this incident is discussed out in the open now. I wonder how come people found out. We haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet and I wanted to wait before spilling the beans.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Aaron21 says on Apr 12, 2008, 15:59:

Umm... people found out because Colombiche posted the story.......?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 12, 2008, 16:05:

I had to re-read that thread. No, it was rubito who opened that can of worms. Colombiche only went public after that. I think it was a bad idea to start with, while we are still trying to figure it out.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Apr 18, 2008, 10:59:

It all started because of uncalled freedom of speech violations.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

I am glad it all came out.

Life goes on!, well that was what Jaime Garzon thought

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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