This happens in Denmark. Esto sucede en dinamarca

webmanco says on Aug 10, 2008, 18:37:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/end-whale-dolphin-slaughter-in-the-fa...

End Whale & Dolphin Slaughter in the Faroe Islands!Target:Prime Minister Jóannes EidesgaardSponsored by: John KoehlerWhales are sensitive, social animals with highly developed nervous systems. They have a profound capacity to suffer distress, terror and pain. Each year, the Faroese kill pilot whales and other small cetaceans.

Islanders in motorboats first drive the whales into a bay. The chase may be lengthy. The exhausted, terrified and confused whales are eventually driven into the shallows. Here the bloodbath begins. The islanders repeatedly hammer 2.2 kg metal gaffs into the living flesh of each whale until the hooks hold. A 15 cm knife is then used to slash through the blubber and flesh to the spinal column. Next the main blood vessels are severed. The blood-stained bay is soon filled with horribly mutilated and dying whales.

The Faroese celebrate the butchery of their victims in an carnival atmosphere of entertainment. Indoctrinated from an early age, children are often given a day off school to watch the fun. They run down to the bay and clamber over the carcasses of slaughtered whales.

Every year around 2,000 whales are driven ashore and cruelly slaughtered in the Faroe Islands, mid-way between the Shetland Islands and Iceland. For centuries the Faroe Islanders have hunted pilot whales, driving entire schools into killing bays, where they are speared or gaffed from boats, dragged ashore and butchered with knives. Although the Islands are a protectorate of Denmark, they have their own Government and regulations governing the pilot whale hunt or "grind" as it is known.

Aside from the fact that the number of North Atlantic long-finned pilot whales is unknown and they are listed as 'strictly protected' by the Convention on the Conservation of European Wildlife and Natural Habitats, this is an act of barbarism and pointlessness. By slaughtering 100 whales at a time, the Faroese are wiping out entire pods and family groups. They are removing building blocks from the gene pool of the species and damaging the web of life in the North Atlantic and the North Sea.

The drive hunt is a practice abandoned elsewhere many decades ago, and now outlawed by other European states. The inhabitants of the Faroe Islands have no subsistence need for whale meat, and much of the flesh is left to rot and be dumped; it cannot be exported, as it is polluted with heavy metals and other toxins and therefore cannot meet EU heath standards for human food.

According to Faroese legislation it is also permitted to hunt certain species of small cetaceans other than pilot whales. These include: Bottlenose dolphin; Atlantic white-beaked dolphin; Atlantic white-sided dolphin; and Harbour porpoise (There are also specific regulations for the hunting of harbour porpoise. Harbour porpoises are killed with shotguns).

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romy says on Aug 11, 2008, 02:57:

people have to eat... humans above animals is the way the animal kingdom works, too bad

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tasco66 says on Aug 13, 2008, 13:04:

If this was done in Colombia there would be a world outrage, but since it's in Europe it’s ok they are civilized over there…

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romy says on Aug 13, 2008, 15:48:

there's similar outrage with Canada, is Canada civilized?

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tasco66 says on Aug 13, 2008, 17:59:

Hey romy is Canada in the Olympics?

I don’t see you guys in the medal ranking. jajajaja

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billyb says on Aug 13, 2008, 18:10:

The ice hockey team is waiting for the second week.

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tasco66 says on Aug 13, 2008, 18:25:

"The ice hockey team"

I guess that's what romy is referring to a civilized. jajaja

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romy says on Aug 13, 2008, 19:33:

Oh Canada is hopeless in summer olympics... I never argued the contrary. They did give the athletes a big financial boost a couple of years ago... I guess money isn't everything, but I already knew that. Anybody remember Ben Johnson? yeah that seems to be Canada's collapse...

I haven't even had a chance to watch the female beach volleyball that I care about... anybody know when that's on? I'll start watching the football in the next round...

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billyb says on Aug 13, 2008, 19:43:

"I haven't even had a chance to watch the female beach volleyball that I care about... anybody know when that's on?"

They're actually halfway through that one.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 01:31:

Monpirri:
that happens on a godawful barren rock of anisland in the North Atlantic where nothing grows and the scarce population have lived off the sea /fishing, whaling) from the times the first longships arrived at the rocky shores a thousand years ago. There's nothing else to eat there. The winters are long and cold, the summer is short and chilly, it's hard and demanding life. Take a trip to Färo Islands, Monpirri, live there for a year and you'll find out just how harsh their lives are.

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romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 08:34:

You mean I nailed it right in the head without knowing anything about the situation... I deserve a cookie

romy says on Aug 11, 2008, 02:57: flag

people have to eat... humans above animals is the way the animal kingdom works, too bad

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 09:36:

I didn't have any cookies, but you get a gold medal is that ok?

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 10:21:

We had the Nazis, we have the immigrants now being abused and mistreated and now we have innocent whales being slaughtered.
Doesn’t the EU have a civilized way to provide for the scarce population of said island in the North Atlantic?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 10:32:

Oh, the whales are innocent? Innocent of what? How about the salmon? Are they innocent too? It's not like whales were sentient beings, they just animals, food source. How about innocent cows being slaughtered in cold blood in the slaughterhouses? Or deer being hunted for food inthe deep forests? Or chicken having their necks wrung?

SUre, they could fly in all the food for thousands of miles from the continent in bimotor planes. Very economical, very sustainable.

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romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 10:49:

Monpirri what do you eat? think of that organism's suffering... OH THE OUTRAGE!!

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 11:20:

I think the scare population is pretty barbaric, I am pretty sure the wealthy European community can provide a better way to educate or to provide for them.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 11:52:

Why? They've provided for themselves all these years before. They are not asking for handouts. They've been sea people, whalers, fishers, sailors all through their history. Norwegians hunt seals and whales too, but since Norwegians are now pumping all that oil from the North Sea their economy is much better, they're in fact one of the wealthiest people in Europe and don't need to kill all the cute little seals any longer.

Barbaric? It's rough life but I don't see it specially barbaric. I think Colombia is more barbaric, they kill people and plant land mines instead. That's what I consider barbaric.

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tasco66 says on Aug 14, 2008, 11:52:

Yep, these viking pirates need to be educated...

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:29:

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14 (today): flag

Why? They've provided for themselves all these years before. They are not asking for handouts.
How do you know they are not asking for handouts? Did you interview them? Or do you have an educational video to show us?

Savage killing executed many years ago needs to be chanced! Not even the indigenous people, who often are condemned for their primitive style of living, kill to survive the way this civilized people massacre the whales.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:46:

How do I know that they're not asking for handouts? They don't belong to EU.

The Faroes and the European Union
As explicitly asserted by both Rome treaties, the Faroe Islands are not part of the European Union. Moreover, a protocol to the treaty of accession of Denmark to the European Communities stipulates that Danish nationals residing in the Faroe Islands are not to be considered as Danish nationals within the meaning of the treaties. Hence, Danish people living in the Faroes are not citizens of the European Union (other EU nationals living there remain EU citizens). The Faroes are not covered by the Schengen free movement agreement, but there are no border checks when travelling between the Faroes and any Schengen country since the Faroes are part of the Nordic Passport Union since 1966 and since 2001 there are no border checks between the Nordic and the rest of the Schengen area as part of the Schengen agreement.

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:23:

Do we have someone here from the European Union to agree with Desi assertion or the agreement?
European Union still can help primitive people or poor countries for the welfare of the International community.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:31:

Sorry Mompis, I forgot to cite the source for the above, I certainly didn't write that myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands

The Faeroe Islands are autonomous and certainly not primitive. Not poor either. They have all those whales they slaughter every year.:)

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tasco66 says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:36:

yep, they stayed out of the EU so that they could continue their whale killing without any interference...

Desi said "I think Colombia is more barbaric, they kill people and plant land mines instead. That's what I consider barbaric."

Yep, Europeans never kill or killed people and plant land mines like the bad Colombians do! Yeah right.

So why is romy talking about a genocide happening right now in Europe??? The American Indian genocide, the Inquisition, WWI, WWII, the Holocaust etc. does that ring a bell?

And who produces those landmines?

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romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:43:

nobody is forcing these people to use the landmines... but yeah I have problems with the countries making riches from weapon sales, namely the G8, but also others.

is it me or is Tasco defending FARC landmine use??? man that Tasco is a shrewd character.

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:50:

Although Wikipedia information is not the best way to be used as the only material for reference, I have taken the liberty of show that primitive indeed they are when they still kill as they used to kill thousand years ago.

"Mammals
Only a few species of wild land mammals are found in the Faroe Islands today, all introduced by humans.
Grey Seals (Halichoerus grypus) are very common around the Faroese shores."
From the same source where you got your stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 14:24:

From the same source:

Whaling in the Faroe Islands has been practised since at least the tenth century.[1] It is regulated by Faroese authorities but not by the International Whaling Commission as there are disagreements about the Commission's competency for small cetaceans[2][3]. Around 950 Long-finned Pilot Whales (Globicephala melaena) are killed annually, mainly during the summer. The hunts, called "grindadráp" in Faroese, are non-commercial and are organised on a community level; anyone can participate. The hunters first surround the pilot whales with a wide semi-circle of boats. The boats then drive the pilot whales slowly into a bay or to the bottom of a fjord.

Most Faroese consider the hunt an important part of their culture and history. Animal-rights groups criticize the hunt as being cruel and unnecessary,[4] [5] while the hunters claim in return that most journalists do not exhibit sufficient knowledge of the catch methods or its economic significance.[6]

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:11:

Yup.

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tasco66 says on Aug 14, 2008, 17:40:

Where am I defending Farc using land mines? You better quit drinking right away romy before it gets any worse...

All I am pointing out is the hypocrisy of European who are the world’s biggest producers and exporters of weapons in the world, but always the first to criticize one of their customers when they make use of them...

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2008, 22:40:

Kalico, rightiousness is a movable target for desi. If some colombiam has to grow hearts of palms for a living, she consideres it raping nature, but if some euros want to massacre some poor whales for economic interest, well then it is just part of natures cycle of survival.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 15, 2008, 01:10:

BillyB, would you please cut the crap now?
Palm hearts? Raping nature? What are you talking about? (If you're trying to make fun of my indignation about the murder and intimidation tactics used by paramilitary thugs hired by African Oil Palm growers in Chocó thenyou are making fun of displaced black country people who have lost everything to the greed of agroindustrial conglomerates.

You hav not read the articles about the importance of fishing and whaling to the economy of those barren rocks in the North Atlantic, where just enough grass grows to keep some sheep. For you just to try to make me look like a f....n monster is more important than stick to the truth.

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tasco66 says on Aug 15, 2008, 06:43:

Yep billyb, some people on this site are totally blinded by their hate of Colombia and its President, and have no shame to display their hypocrisy all over this forum…

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Monpirri says on Aug 15, 2008, 07:22:

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 15 (today): flag
"You hav not read the articles about the importance of fishing and whaling to the economy of those barren rocks in the North Atlantic, where just enough grass grows to keep some sheep."

I have read the article from Wikipedia and it says the Faroe Islands have one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe
"In 2006 unemployment declined to 3%, one of the lowest rates in Europe.
Petroleum found close to the Faroese area gives hope for deposits in the immediate area, which may provide a basis for sustained economic prosperity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands

It looks to me that the Faroese Islands have a pretty good economy and perhaps they have a better economy that some countries in Latin America.
No wonder "They are not asking for handouts." Are they trying to become billionaires after killing and selling and trading all the whales that reach their shores, wow that's pretty lucrative business.

Desi, no matter how colorful you paint the slaughter, their motivation and the whole process is barbaric.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:49:

I believe the annual whaling event in Faero Islands has been "painted colourfully enough" by the scandalous pics you have posted.

Oh, I'm sure that they have a better economy than some third world countries that are struggling. There are just about 50 000 of them, descendants of Vikings, Irish sheepfarmers and an occasional Englishman. Their economy is heavily based on fishing and whaling; it's good if they can start diversifying a little. Anyway, this whaling event the pictures are showing happens ONCE a year. It's not like they were out there butchering whales every day up to their neck in blood.

There are many barbaric, cruel things in the world. My heart cries more for the maimed children of Colombia, victims of landmines, the displaced families roaming the streets of Colombian cities, with babes in their arms, looking for a place to bed the children in parks and public places than for some whales that are killed and eaten in North Atlantic.

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:52:

Save the Whales.

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tasco66 says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:53:

Desi, if you want to see barbaric actions you don't need to leave Europe...

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tasco66 says on Aug 15, 2008, 10:31:

Murdering whales sure seems to be an entertaining show in Europe…looks like they got a good turnout for this year's event

It appears however that God has already figured out a punishment for these barbaric people:

"Danish researchers have discovered that people in Faroe Islands [situated between Norway and Iceland] in the North Atlantic who eat whale meat have high levels of polyfluoroalkyl compounds (PFCs) in their blood. They are particularly worried that the pollutant has spread globally.

“This pollution is a new health concern for the Faroese and many populations worldwide,��? said an environmental health researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health and the University of Southern Denmark."

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2008, 14:25:

Save the whales, eat soylent green instead.

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Monpirri says on Aug 16, 2008, 15:09:

Well, I had this post on the main page but someone moved it here. I have seen other topics that never get moved from the main page.
For example, the post about Finland arms production or something like that.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 16, 2008, 15:26:

No kidding! How could I have missed something like that?

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tasco66 says on Aug 18, 2008, 09:00:

In Colombia when people go out to a family entertainment, they go to the flower festival or to the many carnivals, I guess in Europe this is where they go to…

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dwmte7 says on Aug 20, 2008, 08:12:

por fin, tasco....we agree on something. what a brutal nightmare. and food for a community get together.

maybe they only have crucifixions once a year, but that don't make them any better. si o no?

kalico....don't be so damn hard on desi. she's a fine lady and does a good job of managing this recalcitrant crew. and she's been doin it for umpteen years. no paycheck, either. can you imagine yourself putting up with us, day in and day out? i think not.

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MaFe says on Aug 20, 2008, 10:56:

I don't have time to search the links, but what about the way they slaughter all animals so we can eat them? Has anyone seen how cows, pigs, etc are killed?

We could sit here and point fingers all day long....I know people who will argue that we kill plants too, sure they aren't animals but who is to say they don't feel anything?

This is how people survive, and we can't judge one culture...there are many cultures that do "barbaric" things...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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romy says on Aug 20, 2008, 11:19:

have you ever seen a plant cry? I have...
that's why I don't get sentimental over organisms other than humans... I believe in the animal kingdom, the circle of life, love and all the great lessons from The Lion King

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dwmte7 says on Aug 20, 2008, 11:26:

en re the suffer ing of life forms at death. my spiritual teacher in india told me years ago, the difference lies where life forms experience voluntary motion. prior to that, they don't.

thus HE.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Aug 20, 2008, 12:00:

romy says on Aug 20 (today): flag

have you ever seen a plant cry? I have...
that's why I don't get sentimental over organisms other than humans... I believe in the animal kingdom, the circle of life, love and all the great lessons from The Lion King


ja ja...I agree it is the circle of life....

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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