THE REAL TRUTH,TIME TO END THIS .NOW

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 17:15:

if your gods in heaven ,then what the fuck is he waiting for ,
if he cant see the pain ,
he must hear the children crying .

there is no god ,
just enjoy your life.

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ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 18:18:

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ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 19:11:

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ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 19:44:

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borat says on Jan 13, 2009, 21:18:

cool

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 00:48:

The Holocaust was the attempt to systematically annihilate a race on an industial scale. Which is not the same as bombing a city (no matter how wicked) when attacked by outside powers.

Your orwellian tinkering with language is as stupid as it is immoral.

Perhaps you mean well (what's happening in Gaza IS terrible), but you seem motivated entirely by passion and instinct. Your reason and any powers of discernment you may have seem to have gone by the wayside.

I also wonder what you're attempt to achieve with your buffoonish polemics. If you're genuinely trying to persuade others to your point of view, why are your posts not much more than exercises in pastiche, prejudice and mockery? If, for example, you truly wanted Christians to give up their beliefs, why don't you try and cajole and encourage, rather than proffering insults that are neither intelligent or funny?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 04:45:

well ,well ,well ,
look what what we have ,a smart ass,

kalder,says
The Holocaust was the attempt to systematically annihilate a race on an industial scale. Which is not the same as bombing a city (no matter how wicked) when attacked by outside powers.

Your orwellian tinkering with language is as stupid as it is immoral.

now let me tell you what it means ........
1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

kalder,
tinkering with language ,
i am not i just understand it ,you in your ignorant way chose to reply ,before having the intelligent s to even know the meaning.

kalder says,
you truly wanted Christians to give up their beliefs, why don't you try and cajole and encourage, rather than proffering insults that are neither intelligent or funny?

ja ja ja ,
i have never said ,or even want you or any one to give up your god ,
kalder note i say god ,not christians not muslins ,not jews ,not Mormons,
i say ,they is NO GOD,
so just enjoy your life .
and if that is being fooled ,into thinking your god which ever it may be is the right god ,then you your self stand in judgement on others peoples god ,
i dont ,
but i know there is no god ,because i am god ,believe me ,and when you learn how to understand the English meaning of a word ,by all means come back and comment on it ,

until then ,i would request your mother send you back to school.

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 04:53:

kalder,

the red skins in the USA was another Holocaust,there has been many in history,
but not knowing the meaning to you there has only ever been one ,

what is happening in Gaza is a Holocaust

your lesson is over for today.

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kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 05:12:

Pastiche, polemic, mockery. There's a definite whiff of the Public Bar about you. Or a failed Northern comic in his dotage.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 05:15:

there may well be ,
but at least i know what im talking about,
when you do ,e mail me ,

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 05:23:

hey kalder ,
and this food is not eaten every day ,
it was a meal for the working class ,

just for you .

The pie and mash turns up smothered in green liquor, these days just a parsley sauce, back in the day it may have included liquid from the stewed eels that are also permanent fixture on the menus; all of it ready to be spiked with the traditional British condiment of choice for the last couple of hundred years, vinegar. This is food with simple warm flavours and textures. This isn't food to excite the palate, this is pure Northern European stodge, ribsticking, keep out the cold food. It is a pity that there aren't a few more of these places left, not for the nostalgia hit but for the fact that this is part of London eating that is all but gone.

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kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 06:00:

There's a pie and mash shop 5 minutes from my place. Run by Albanians.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 06:07:

yes i know the family of Norman wisdom

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 06:35:

but in Britain we had weapons to fight back ,
the great battle of Britain over the English canal the RAF being just one ,

in Gaza they got nothing ,

how you bomb missiles 50 mags tanks , against people with sticks and stones and fireworks ,
not only this ,cut off water ,food ,bring down building ,roads,knowing the people got nothing to rebuild ,but as i say ,you have this shit done to you ,you don't forget ,you don't forgive ,

the price has yet to be paid by Israel,but it will come ,
in life what goes around comes around ,

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kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 09:25:

So, you're a Holocaust denier GL?

You oddballs who deny the best documented atrocity of the 2thC always put me in mind of that quote from Isaiah:

"I have made a pact with hell and with death I am in agreement."

Why, why do you people hate the Jews so much as to piss on the graves of their loved ones?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 09:38:

what there are doing in Gaza could be one reason .

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borat says on Jan 14, 2009, 09:48:

the abused become the abuser.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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manINred says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:19:

What, is Israel supposed to stand by and let 80 missiles be launched upon them per day from Gaza?

Because that's what happened. Enough is enough. 'Ceasefire' was a joke and there's only so much one country can take.

If Palestine had its way, and this has been made clear over the past few months, Israel would be exterminated.

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borat says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:33:

approximately 20 Islaelis have been killed by homemade palistinian rockets over the past 20 years. It was the IDF who broke the cease fire on the 4th November when they entered Gaza and killed 6 Hamas fighters.

It is Israel who are and have been illeagaly occupying (consistently increasing) palestinian land since 1967, in opposition to the international community and international law.

Today they're using phosphorous agianst the palestinians in Gaza.

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manINred says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:40:

That's not the point. 80 rockets per day were fired into Israel recently, what are they supposed to do, sit back and let it happen? And who's to say the land belongs to who? It was originally occupied by varying tribes. Both parties lay claim to the land, and gaza seemed to be on its way to increasing independence, including the dismantlement of israeli settlements.

That being said, Israel is not innocent, but painting palestine and hamas as innocent victims is grossly disingenuous and misrepresentative.

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borat says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:42:

www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/white_phosphorous__and_dense_inert_meta...

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ujay says on Jan 15, 2009, 08:39:

dismantlement of israeli settlements,

you live in cukuland or what ,they build more ,and the wall ,

48,51,54,58,62,65,67,70,72,the list is end less ,
hamas are the freedom fighters ,they are under occupations, so any thing they do is innocent ,

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ujay says on Jan 16, 2009, 19:37:

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borat says on Jan 16, 2009, 19:53:

MIR, "that's not the point", I disagree I think in times of war death is exactly the point.

International law and the international community, and anyone who cares to read knows who legitimately owns the land.

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borat says on Jan 16, 2009, 20:14:

denial of the holocaust is pointless. It doesn't matter whether it was 6 million or whatever it was, it was most definitely a holocaust, we all know the details.

that not only doesn't excuse Israel from it's current behaviour, it makes it much worse.

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ujay says on Jan 16, 2009, 20:16:

1170 Palestinians, including 375 children killed by IOF in 3weeks

The IOF has intensified its ethnic cleansing efforts on Friday in the Gaza Strip committing three massacres in various parts of the Gaza Strip.

Medical sources say that the number of those killed during the three week Israeli blitz has reached 1170, including 375 children, 110 women and 100 elderly people. 5300 others were wounded.

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ujay says on Jan 16, 2009, 21:46:

Jewish tragedy of the WW2 ,

was not just Jews ,
we lost all our young men ,
Poland lost over 10 million ,

Israel don't want it forgot ,they use it as a reason ,ahh your anti Jew ,
ahh he called me a nigger ,hes a racist,all the same shit ,

Hitler was not a German,
Palestinians never went to war ,they did nothing to the Jews ,they were living OK ,till 48,
do people think this has just started ,Israel has been doing this shit for 50 years ,
why not do it to Germany ,
what had the Palestinians done ,

you can not do this to any one and think it is going to solve any thing ,
it just brings more hatred,
Israel will in the end be on the receiving end , they will pay the price of this genocide.and Holocaust of the Palestinians,
MARK MY WORDS.

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borat says on Jan 20, 2009, 19:22:

Mark Steel: Now we've all seen through the Israeli government's excuses

If the Hamas rockets are so lethal, why doesn't Israel swap an F-16 for some?

Wednesday, 21 January 2009


The worrying part about whether the ceasefire in Gaza can hold together will be whether the international community can stop the flow of arms to the terrorists. Because Israel's getting their planes and tanks and missiles from somewhere and until this supply is cut off there's every chance it could start up again.


The disregard for life from these terrorists and their supporters is shocking. For example Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, wrote that the purpose of the Israeli attack must be to "inflict a heavy death toll and heavy pain on the Gaza population".

Replace "Gaza" with "western", and that could have been written by al-Qa'ida. Maybe this is the problem: the Israelis are writing their policies by downloading statements from an Islamic Jihad website and just changing the place names. Also, if the Israelis think the Hamas rockets are as lethal as they say, why don't they swap their F-16 fighters and Apachehelicopters for a few of them?

These things are capable of terrorising a whole nation for years apparently, yet the Israelis have neglected to buy any, wasting their money on gunboats and stuff. Given that their annual arms budget is $7.2bn plus $2.2 bn in "aid", they'd save enough to buy a selection of banks in every country in the world.

The military advantages would be enormous because the Israelis' complaint about Hamas is the use of tunnels to smuggle arms. But if Israel gave Hamas a few planes and tanks and helicopters, they could probably be persuaded to shut down those tunnels that seem to be the cause of such bad feeling.

Whatever you say about Israel, at least it moves its weapons about legally – except for when it secretly built a nuclear arsenal against an array of international agreements. But they did it above ground and not in a tunnel and that's the main thing.

Watching the reports from Gaza, another reason why the ceasefire may break down becomes apparent. The Israelis might claim that their satellite pictures now show Palestinians in possession of huge mounds of rubble – lethal if thrown over the border. Luckily these weapons are easy to spot. Most of them are next to women howling, "Look what they've done to my house," but perhaps the airforce should bomb them again – just in case. The Israelis say they fear Hamas will once again break the ceasefire by sending over those rockets. But the whole point of the operation was to make that impossible. Because they must have asked themselves the question, "If we slaughter 1,300 people, including 300 children, is that likely to make people: A. less cross or B. more cross?" And presumably they concluded it will make them much less likely to grow up full of hatred and determination to retaliate. Perhaps they saw medical research that shows when someone is suffering from anxiety and bouts of irascible ill-tempered behaviour, the best treatment is to pen them in with no food or medicine and then kill some of them, and that calms them down a treat.

Another way to allay their worries about Hamas breaking the ceasefire is to read the report from their government's own Intelligence and Terrorism Information Centre. This states that during the ceasefire "Hamas did not take part in any rocket fire and sometimes prevented other organisations from attacking." Still, with all that's been going on I suppose they haven't had time for reading.

Despite all this there might be one cheery sign, which is that never before have so many people seen through the Israeli government's excuses for handing out mass destruction. The demonstrations in support of Palestinians have been bigger than ever before, and even the United Nations and the Wall Street Journal have suggestedIsrael has committed war crimes. One poll in America suggested that 60 per cent of people opposed the bombardment, and the change of opinion reached the point that an Israeli diplomat has admitted that "The harm to civilians in Gaza is causing us huge damage."

Maybe, best of all, was genetics expert Steven Rose who appeared on Radio 4's Today programme to talk about a new study that's located "morality spots", the part of the brain that deals with our morality. Asked how we could know whether this was true, he said in a marvellously posh academic Radio 4 voice "Well we could test the brains of the Israeli cabinet and see if they've got no morality spots whatsoever."

And the most immoral part of all is the perfectly cynical timing, as if three weeks ago Bush shouted: "Last orders please. Any last bombing, before time's up? Come along now, haven't you got homes to demolish?"

Source: The Independent

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billyb says on Jan 23, 2009, 22:19:

Looks like things are back to normal in Gaza.....

GAZA CITY, Gaza (CNN) -- In the wake of an Israeli offensive aimed at crippling Hamas, Gaza's ruling party, Hamas is accusing rival Palestinian faction Fatah of spying for Israel.
Omar Hassan, neighbor of fallen Hamas Interior Minister Said Siam, says spies helped Israelis locate Siam's home.

Omar Hassan, neighbor of fallen Hamas Interior Minister Said Siam, says spies helped Israelis locate Siam's home.
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In return, some are accusing Hamas of carrying out "punishment shootings" against suspects.

"In this war, we arrested many spies and collaborators, and we will stay continuing to catch these spies and put them in jail and in court," Ehad al-Ghossain, Hamas' Interior Ministry spokesman, told CNN.

"Some factions wanted to help Israel, to kill Hamas and Hamas leaders, and were giving information to the Israelis." Video Watch Ghossain talk about the enemy within »

Fatah's power base is in the West Bank. It is locked in a power struggle with Hamas, which won parliamentary elections in January 2006 and wrested Gaza from Fatah in violent clashes last year. Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Authority president and leader of the Fatah party, is a United States ally but holds little sway in Gaza.

Fatah denies spying on Hamas for Israel, and party leaders said Thursday that at least 175 of their members had been rounded up and tortured in recent days.

The highest-ranking known casualty in the Israeli offensive may have been Hamas Interior Minister Said Siam, who was killed by an Israeli airstrike January 15.
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Siam's neighbors said Fatah supporters may have pinpointed his location for Israel.

"My brother and sister saw three or four spies, including a woman," neighbor Omar Hassan said. "The spies left, and then Said Siam's apartment was hit."

Meanwhile, at Gaza's Shifa Hospital, medical officials said injuries they have seen would be consistent with suspected spies being shot in the kneecaps, elbows, hands or feet as punishment.

"We have seen severe arterial lesions at the level of the knee and at the level of the femoral artery in the thigh, and also some lesions at the level of the arm," international doctor Carlos Trotta said.

He said he has treated at least six patients, including a woman, for gunshot wounds since the cease-fire with Israel was announced.

Another medical source said the shots were fired from close range, and the victims have claimed that the injuries stemmed from punishment or a factional vendetta.

Punishment shootings are a time-tested tactic used worldwide by guerrilla and militia groups, from Che Guevara in Cuba to the Irish Republican Army in Northern Ireland. They are meant not only to take revenge but to send a message to others.

Two self-described Fatah loyalists were found heavily bandaged at a Gaza City safe house. One of their colleagues refused to say where or why they were injured but denied that they were spying.

"They shot him at close range with a pistol," he said of one man. "His bones are shattered. They shot him point-blank in the foot. ... This was done by Hamas people."

The other man, he said, was struck on his legs with a metal construction bar.

"Four people were beating him," he said.
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A Hamas security source said the shootings occurred because renegade gunmen took the law into their own hands. And al-Ghossain said there was no official order within Hamas to carry out such shootings.

"That's not us," al-Ghossain said. "Maybe some families who had problems in the past just wanted to shoot these people."

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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