The Grip Tightens

britabroad says on Nov 4, 2009, 14:00:

Whilst the UK has won the right to keep its own laws and judicial system, the Treaty paves the way for a European super-state with its own armed forces and President - who will be appointed, not elected.
Hitler couldn´t have done it better himself.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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Rocco81 says on Nov 4, 2009, 14:15:

Yeppers you're right on Brita Abroad. Its the same thing....Big Brother is here.

Sic semper tyrannis

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scumbuster says on Nov 4, 2009, 14:35:

And Obama will gladly join in.

Tomas Jefferson “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

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dwmte7 says on Nov 4, 2009, 17:44:

rocco.............and there!

patriarch

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Rocco81 says on Nov 4, 2009, 18:34:

Douglas....and everywhere.

Sic semper tyrannis

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vinod says on Nov 5, 2009, 11:24:

If Marc Faber is right about the US dollar, Europe will want nothing to do with Obama's paper fiat money that he and his butt buddy Bernacke are printing with such reckless abandon.

And in a conversation about the best places on earth to live, investment Guru Doug Casey has the following to say about Europe:

http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/922/Guru

"I think Europe is in even bigger trouble than the U.S. It's more highly regulated, more highly taxed, more imbued with socialist ideas. It's demographically in decline, and it's the front line in the War Against Islam. Forget it, except for a quaint vacation."

http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/922/Guru

He also had the following to say:

http://www.escapeartist.com/Crisis_Investing_101/Greater_Depression_Up...

"And let me give you a tip, okay? Forget about Europe, it's going to become a petting zoo. It's like Disneyland with real stones instead of paper Mache stones. I mean, Europe is on the slippery slope. I wouldn't touch Europe with a ten-foot pole. If this war with Islam gets out of control, Europe is going to be an epicenter. It's going to be a disaster. I'll tell you where you ought to look. Argentina is the place to be. It's the cheapest country in the world. It has low population, incredibly beautiful, the climate is great. One hundred years ago, it was in competition with the US for being the best place in the world and the richest place. But it went downhill radically, radically."

http://www.escapeartist.com/Crisis_Investing_101/Greater_Depression_Up...


And he had the following to say about the US dollar:

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2007/0811.html

"The U.S. dollar will eventually reach its intrinsic value; it’s simply a question of time. The Forever War in the Middle East is greatly accelerating the process. The whole idea of a reserve currency is meaningless if the currency is backed by nothing but the good will of the issuing government. That’s why gold has always been used as money; you don’t have to rely on anyone’s full faith and credit, good will, competence, trade surpluses, self-restraint or anything else. And it’s why gold will again be used, in everyday transactions, as money.

The dollar is a hot potato. There are trillions—nobody knows exactly how many—floating outside the U.S. But only Americans have to accept them, and only the U.S. Government can create them (although the North Koreans do their best). The Chinese have good reason to worry about all those dollars. When they tried to buy the Unocal oil company, they were turned away by the U.S. Government. So, obviously, their dollars weren’t good for that. When Dubai wanted to buy companies that manage six U.S. seaports, they found their dollars had no value.

At some point there’s going to be a panic out of the dollar. When it happens, it’s likely to be the biggest financial upset since the 1930s. Part of the question is what they’ll panic into. The euro? As I have said many times, if the dollar is an “I owe you nothing,” the euro is a “Who owes you nothing?” I think the big beneficiary will be gold. The problem for the world’s economy is that just a trillion dollars—which is only about 1/6 of the dollars outside the U.S. alone—can buy a billion ounces of gold, even at $1,000 an ounce. But only about four billion ounces have ever been mined.

It’s an explosive situation. The one thing you can count on when there’s a crisis is that the government will “do something,” which means controlling its subjects—not, God forbid, itself. And that something is likely to be foreign exchange controls. A small straw in the wind is the new regulation making it illegal to export more than $5 worth of pennies and nickels, because their metal is worth more than their face value—even though there’s no longer much copper in the pennies or nickel in the nickels.

If an American doesn’t get significant assets outside the U.S. now, it may be impossible in the future. The best thing to do is buy real estate abroad, since it’s currently not reportable, like bank and brokerage accounts, and they can’t very well make you repatriate it. I expect, however, very few people will take my advice, even though they may agree with it. But everybody gets what he deserves, so it’s not a problem."

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2007/0811.html

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scumbuster says on Nov 5, 2009, 17:35:

God forbid, but I can see if things get bad enough the US saying that if you want to receive your SS you need to live in the US.

Tomas Jefferson “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

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vinod says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:43:

If Faber and Casey are right, your Social Security check will not have any purchasing power inside or outside the US, so what difference will it make?

At least in Colombia you will be warm.

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vinod says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:48:

Britabroad, if Doug Casey is right, in 20 years the UK will not be fighting for independence from Europe.

The British will be fighting for independence from Mecca.

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britabroad says on Nov 6, 2009, 08:59:

Let´s hope he isn´t.

The problem is that over the past 20 years or so the face of British politics has changed beyond all recognition, influenced by European politics, liberalism, political correctness, and giving the voice of the minorities centre stage.
I don´t know if it´s the same in the States, or Canada, or Australia/New Zealand etc, but looking back now it´s apparent that our present situation has been very carefully planned and the British electorate have been "re-taught" through the media, central and local government, large institutions, businesses, and schools. This has all been bulldozed through the entire system by faceless, unelected creatures who have never had to fight for what they´ve got, and so don´t value it.

But as for Europe being dead in the water? No. I have no time for a European State but the continent is full of fiercly proud peoples who have always had to fight for their freedom´s and rights. The man in the street knows what the situation is and doesn´t like it. Unfortunately, in the case of the UK, the government refuses to listen to those (even if they are in the majority) who stand in the way of whatever agenda they have. The result is that all politicians are now despised and mistrusted.

This "War on Terror" has been utilised to erode even more civil liberties in Europe, and especially in the UK. For the first time in living memory the British are being consistently governed against their will, and the sad part is that none of the main political parties offer an option. They all say one thing, do another, and feather their own nests. If you made a protest vote by voting for something like the British National Party, which has Nazi connotations which turns off most patriotic Brits straight away, you´re labelled a racist. If you vote for the UK Independence Party you´re told you´re wasting your vote as they´ll never get in power. They´re also portrayed by the government influenced "free press" as cranks.

The Queen needs to dissolve Parliament and hold an election. Those who have previously stood as MP´s should be disallowed to stand again as they have lost all credibility and standing within Britain. Nowadays, whenever the next chunk of doom and gloom is heard, the people just shake their heads and laugh. Nothing is a surprise anymore, and they can´t do anything about it anymore either. They´re on the point of enforced acceptance - which is both sad for the UK and potentially dangerous for our allies, protectorates, and trade partners outside of Europe.

I don´t know what the answer is. But the present demographics, financial mess, conflicts, and the rise of political automony seems to have been manufactured globally. And if the UK just becomes another State within a European Federation, yes.....
it will probably be a Muslim State along with France, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Spain, and some of the old Eastern Bloc countries.

Go west young man.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 09:45:

vinod says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:39:

Pedro, there are untold trillions of US dollars circulating outside the United States. Nobody knows for sure how much.

But, there are at least two things that will result in a significant strengthening of the dollar.

One would be a "damn the torpedos" policy of energy independence.

This would include:

(1) Clean coal
(2) Wind power generation
(3) More and more use of natural gas. We have huge amounts of that stuff in North America. Shale deposits of natural gas in Canada and United States are in mind boggling amounts.
(4) A deliberate policy of using only oil that is produced in North America, no matter what the cost. That would include what conventional oil there is still left, plus shale oil and tar sands (and there are huge deposits in the latter two). There would have to be a deliberate statement to the Arabs that says: "We ain't buying your oil and we are not going to let you sell what you have to anybody else".

The second thing that will significantly help the dollar would be to make a military decision on Afghanistan. The western allies defeated the Japanese in 4 years. The West and the Russians defeated the Germans in 6 years. The Israelis defeated the Arabs in 6 days. India has defeated Pukeistan every time the two countries have fought.

Why the hell are we still dealing with a bunch of illiterate Neanderthals after 8 years? Either decide to beat the shit out of them or leave. We are just pussyfooting around.

In either case, we need to play hard ball with Saudis.

I agree with Doug Casey. We have huge problems in North America, but unlike Europe, we are not in an irreversible demographic decline. There are steps we can take in North America to at least partially redress our predicament. Unless Europeans start fornicating and pumping out babies, Europe is lost. Europe will, as Doug Casey puts it, become a petting zoo.

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Rocco81 says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:05:

Vinod you are again correct...as a matter of fact you are my favorte Desi on this Earth ;)

We could just blanket bomb all of them to dust and take thier shit. Let us get desperate enough and being nice and diplomatic in war will come to an end. Let Obama's administration and the next worthless administration keep talking without taking actions, let the Brits keep falling further to a Socialist Immigrant ridden island (when we lose thier support too) and we will have people becoming more desperate.

Let me just say that I don't agree with us bieng in Iraq at all.... BUT for those doubters that think we are showing any military prowess over there don't be mistaken. What we have there is a "friendly" war. One where we worry about civilian casualties and where we have camera crews watching us "arrest" the bad guys. Let it come to a real war when the gloves come off and we'll have every last one of those fuckers speaking English, singing the National Anthem and pumping our gas in a matter of half the time we've been there now. If we wanted to we could.

Sic semper tyrannis

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vinod says on Nov 6, 2009, 15:32:

Good grief Rocco.

I am not sure how to take your comparison of me to Desi. From what I can see from Desi's posts, she is in complete denial.

As far as the Iraqis and the Afghans are concerned, I have always been opposed to what Bush did in Iraq. Saddam, as measured against other mid-east despots, was not so bad. I am sure that as a Hindu my chances of survival would have been better in his country than in (say) Iran or Saudi Arabia. I don't thnk Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

I have been supportive of the mission in Afghanistan, but it has dragged on too long. We have the power to make those low-life neanderthals regret the day they ever heard of the koran. I don't want them to speak English or pump my gas. I would rather that they just stay put and swim in their own shit.

Some people wrongly assume that because I didn't like Bush I must like Obama. To me, Obama is just a more advanced case of incompetence and rot than Bush was.

Unless there is some common sense shown in Washington, millions of American baby boomers will be really pissed at Obama when they see their social security and other pensions devalue to nothing. If Doug Casey and Marc Faber are right about the dollar, those baby boomers will curse the day Obama became president. To be fair, they should blame Bush Jr and Bush Sr too, but the buck will stop with the guy who is in office when the shit hits the fan. If Casey is right, that guy will be Obama.

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kalder says on Nov 9, 2009, 01:33:

Out boozing on Saturday, I got talking to the Polish doorman. He said to me that Britain had been one of the finest countries in the world. "How could you have been so stupid as to let the socialists destroy it?" he asked. Miserably, drunkenly, I nodded.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on Nov 9, 2009, 04:52:

Britain is slum run by Marxists, to a soundtrack of police sirens, rap music and the call to prayer.

The Labour Party should be hung.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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britabroad says on Nov 9, 2009, 07:52:

I was so fucking angry when I heard about the Lisbon Treaty being ratified by our glorious government without so much as a whimper that I contacted the UK Independence Party by e-mail and ranted on, not expecting a reply.
The next day the Chairman of the party responded (even my local MP never answered any letters when I lived in London) and sort of put my mind at rest a little.
He says that it is possible for any member state of the EU to withdraw at any time following a referendum (Now we know why we´re never offered one) although there will be stiff "penalties" for doing so. They now seem the only credible party (if such a beast exists) who will definitely hold a national referendum on Europe and immigration IF they take power at the next General Election. Fat chance of that happening though. And the present options are only valid until 2013.
The best part is that no government can sign away British sovereignty without a referendum ... at the moment. I´m sure that the judicial think-tank in Westminster will find a way around that one without anyone knowing.
Kalder, I´ll go one better. Hang them all. They´re all responsible. This shit has been stuck in the cess-pipe since the early 70´s.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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vinod says on Nov 9, 2009, 08:24:

Piece of shit Hasan tied to mosque attended by 9/11 hijackers where he no doubt worshipped his piece of shit god.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/msnbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=22...

Document id is 22542957

For some reason I cannot make link copy properly.


I wonder how many in the Labour Party have been to the Finsbury Park mosque.

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Rocco81 says on Nov 9, 2009, 11:45:

Vinod ... You're a Desi as in Punjabi, Desi, Hindi etc... I didn't mean the name Desi as in the moderator.

Sic semper tyrannis

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kalder says on Nov 10, 2009, 08:12:

I vote UKIP. Which isn't an entire waste of a ballot slip in the European elections. But who to vote for in the national and local ones? Difficult, very difficult- UKIP are a one issue outfit and casting for them only splits the non-Marxist vote. The BNP are too feral, too full of coked up soccer fans and barroom nutters to be worthy of consideration.

The Tories? Well, it was their ghastly, Faustian pact with neo-liberalism under Thatcher that helped get the country into such a mess in the first place...but, but, but, I think I'm going to vote for them next year. Cameron may be a spineless, liberal creep on the make, but at least there's still significant anti-Left cohorts in his party. Perhaps even a critical enough mass of them to eventually roll back some of the profoundly anti-family, anti-democratic and anti-British measures imposed on us by the champagne socialists and campus communists of the NuLabour machine.

Perhaps...

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on Nov 10, 2009, 08:18:

Philip Blonde is a Tory. And possibly the finest political mind in Britian today. If Cameron listens to him, we may have a chance to salvage the country.

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/02/riseoftheredtories/

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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vinod says on Nov 10, 2009, 12:32:

kalder, what would you prefer?

Some drunk coked up soccer fans, or the obigatory call to prayer?

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kalder says on Nov 11, 2009, 00:37:

Neither.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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britabroad says on Nov 11, 2009, 07:17:

Yes, the BNP looks like it voices the opinions of many, but the bottom line is that they like swastikas and tight fitting black uniforms and make no differentiation between scumbags (of which there are many) and goodies (of which there are more) amongst ethnic groups. Goes against the old British sense of fair play somewhat and, although I hate socialism, I personally could never bring myself to vote for what, for all intents and purposes, is a Nazi. My family sacrificed too much for that.

UKIP ... I´d vote for them just to get the UK sorted. It may make the other main parties sit up and take notice of the people that they´re supposed to represent instead of ignoring them completely and pushing their own agendas through. Also, they aren´t skinhead thugs, and are politically credible Unfortunately, I have a horrible feeling that Labour might get in yet again, especially if they shit-can Browne as leader.

Vinod, I´ve been reading your views etc in the thread and am curious to know something.

As an Asian Indian who has been brought up with apparent British values, has fully assimilated into the British way of life, sees himself as British first and Hindu second, and who can speak with some knowledge about being on the receiving end of Islamic culture, can I ask you how your family and other Asian associates feel about what is happening in Britain? Your own views are clear to see, but how do you feel the mainstream Asian populace are reacting to Islamism, immigration, and political instability regarding Europe, the Afghan war etc?

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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kalder says on Nov 12, 2009, 00:03:

But there's the rub- a vote for UKIP is a vote less for the Tories, not Labour. Which, done on too large a scale, will let the likes of Harman, Balls and Mandelson get their hands on the country for yet another term. And quite probably destroy it for good this time.

I don't see any choice other than voting Conservative.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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britabroad says on Nov 12, 2009, 07:23:

I agree mate. It´s a tough call.

If Cameron promises a referendum I´d do the same, but his initial response to the Lisbon Treaty was "Oh well, we can´t go back now, a referendum would be pointless, etc" - which must have costs him a few hundred thousand votes on paper as he then came back to say otherwise. I personally wonder if any of the main political parties will ever grant a referendum on Europe, despite what they promise. Maybe no one should vote for anyone as a protest.

Kalder, I think you should stand for parliament. I´d vote for you. You could have Brent Council publicly flogged, Mandelson hung for treason, Blair exiled, and Browne sent to work in a circus in Romania.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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vinod says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:43:

britabroad.

I am really Canadian. I was born in India, left there when I was a toddler, and lived in the UK until I was 3. I have been in Canada ever since.

My way of life is really (small town) Canadian (snow tires and all).

But to answer your question, the mainstream (non-muslim) Asian populace here are going to some lengths to distinguish ourselves from muslims. After 9/11, a Hindu temple in Toronto was trashed, and in the United States a Sikh guy was murdered. Both groups were being lumped in with muslims by people who didn't know any better. Those were terribly unfortunate incidents. The response of both the Hindu and Sikh communities in each case was exemplery. We didn't march in the streets with placards calling for death to those who insult Sikhism or Hinduism.

Speaking for myself, I can forgive ingorance (and we should all try to be that way, because nobody can know everything: we can all learn from each other), but I have a much more difficult time with willful blindness. Ignorance can be remedied. Willful blindness cannot.

Sikhs and Hindus here (especially those who are well educated) look upon what's happening in Europe and the UK with dismay. We can see history repeating itself, and Europeans seem to be willfully blind to their own history. And I certainly feel obliged to speak up when I see politically correct types condemn as "racists" those (white) Brits and Europeans who are sounding the alarm. Those politically correct "thought police" types are just as much the enemy as the enemy themselves. The people who have historically been on the worst receiving end of islamism are NOT WHITE (i.e., brown folks of the Indian subcontinent). And it is astonishing how few people really know that.

As far as the Afghan war is concerned, I think most of us have been generally supportive, but it is fading because of the apparent lack of political will to force a military conclusion. I have raised the question myself. How is it that the western powers and Russia could beat the crap out of the Axis powers in 6 years and then still be pussyfooting around with a bunch of illiterate neanderthals after 8 years?

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kalder says on Nov 13, 2009, 00:09:

Jaja Brit, thanks for the vote of confidence. Mind you, I was thinking more of a violent putsch when it came to Brent Council...get to that flogging in double quick time.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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britabroad says on Nov 13, 2009, 10:41:

Kalder,

Is a "putsch " not a breed of small dog..........?

Vinod,

Apologies, I got the impression that you were living in Britland for some reason. But Asian Canadians have to be head and shoulders over French Canadians anyway.
I think that many Brits are starting to wake up to the fact that Asians aren´t all "Pakis", which seems to have been a common insult used until fairly recently. This change is due largely to Sikhs and Hindus in Britain distancing themselves from Islamic Asians and making a distinction between themselves and Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. Its good to see and is also a distinction which, I think, should be made.
Perhaps, when a credible non-muslim ethnic minority group starts to openly condemn Islam, the powers that be might have to take notice. We white´s can´t do it anymore as it´s illegal (racism), but people like yourself can - and will get away with it, and will get a lot of support from the British populace for doing it. Then, when the true common enemy have finally pissed off, perhaps the rest of us (the goodies) could all get along. What a nice thought.
As for Afghanistan, your thoughts are echoed in every corner. The problem is probably that the "war" isn´t a conventional war. If it was us against Afghanistan, well yes, a few well planned bombing missions to take out what little infrastructure there is, then send in the tanks to flatten every town, and the infantry to flush out what was left. But I guess this "war" is different.
Incidentally it´s the 5th time that European forces have been there, and might be the 5th time that we get our arses kicked unless things change.
Thanks for your views. They´re appreciated and applauded.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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vinod says on Nov 13, 2009, 11:12:

Britabroad, actually, I like and get along with almost every French Canadian I have ever known. They are certainly a cut above your average paki. You should read about how the council of the town of Herouxville told muslims and their apologists to piss off.

Your "thought police" equating the dislike of islam to "racism" just shows how retarded the whole debate has become. It has nothing to do with racism. It's about ideology.

Hindus and Sikhs fit in well (generally speaking) not only in the UK, but elsewhere as well. For example, quite a lot of Sikhs have settled in Italy where they work in the dairy industry. The Italians like them. I have never heard of any serious problems foisted by one group upon another.

Non muslims who are non-white and speak ill of islam seem to make some people sputter and babble incoherently. It's has happened already in this forum. Apparently political correctness puts some people's brains into neutral, or maybe even into park or reverse.

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britabroad says on Nov 17, 2009, 20:04:

Vinod, now I´m going off you a bit. Don´t you know that the French are not to be applauded for whatever reason!
They might get on with you (cos they´ve never had to withstand a charge from the Bengal Lancers), but me.....? And when the wind blows northwards across the Channel..........

Seriously though, you´re right, there´s nothing that confuses the ´thought police´more than a non-politically correct ethnic minority. They just haven´t got a clue how to handle that one. Shows the absurbity of it all.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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manINred says on Nov 17, 2009, 20:21:

Wow, depressing. I have family outside of britain, and those are some of the reasons they do not return, even though they love the country in principle.

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britabroad says on Nov 18, 2009, 07:14:

I feel the same. I´m here in Colombia and can´t see anything to run back for any time soon. It´s like being homeless. And the longer I´m away, the worse it seems to be getting.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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