Wonder if they can sell enough in Mexico to make up for the difference in lost revenue from the United States as a result of this ad?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html
By aztec on Apr 5, 2008, 09:08 in Off Topic.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 5, 2008, 13:17: Who cares? Lots of ads seek to be controversial or make empty social commentary. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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aztec says on Apr 5, 2008, 13:52: MT you may have misjudged the ramafications of the ad. But; lets just wait and see if there are any effects on sales in the States.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 5, 2008, 15:04: I don't doubt that the usual suspects will whip up the same hysteria they did over Freedom Fries and other important issues. There will be lots of free publicity. The company will apologize. A few Latinos will buy a little more Absolut. Some folks will buy less. Most won't care. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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Lcacique says on Apr 5, 2008, 15:12: You are a strange aztec, aztec. As usual, Absolut continues to create great ads. Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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gringoloid says on Apr 5, 2008, 15:20: As an ex-advertising man, creating an ad that makes you hate the product suddenly makes you remember it when you;re at the grocery store to buy.
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tejasmarcos says on Apr 5, 2008, 15:52: skyy makes the best vodka......... my glass is getting shorter on whiskey, ice and water... |
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Lcacique says on Apr 5, 2008, 16:48: aztec...that is cute how a simple graphic on the TV helps develop your understanding of a complex and diverse group of people. Yes, I am from a blue state. Forget that there is a diverse array of people living here, we are all the same: blue. Maybe you come from a place where outbursts of ignorance influenced by paranoia and hatred get passed off as intellectual discourse. Isn't that supposedly the definition of the red states? It is all that damn anger that exists there... Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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Lcacique says on Apr 5, 2008, 16:50: tejas...Grey Goose is pretty good as well. Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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tejasmarcos says on Apr 5, 2008, 17:04: skyy goose iz da best juice! my glass is getting shorter on whiskey, ice and water... |
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bamacellist says on Apr 5, 2008, 20:24: There are definitely a small number of people making a large amount of noise. I'd guess that most of them are already not drinking it. Personally I feel sorry for anybody who can't either chuckle at it or leave it alone. Get a sense of humor or a life, I say. (Perhaps some therapy???) "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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webmanco says on Apr 6, 2008, 11:41:
But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am |
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Lcacique says on Apr 6, 2008, 12:09: oh shit!!! Colombians will never drink Absolut now!!! We need to send this to all of the Colombians we know and inform them that this company is implying that the roads in Bogota are crappy. Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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webmanco says on Apr 6, 2008, 12:35: Arte callejero :) But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am |
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Lcacique says on Apr 6, 2008, 12:50: jajaja Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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gringoloid says on Apr 7, 2008, 14:30: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-absolut6apr06,0,4...
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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 14:42: More than a dozen calls... Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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webmanco says on Apr 7, 2008, 16:44:
But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am |
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scotty says on Apr 7, 2008, 17:04: I never did really like vodka much. I was in Poland once and everyone and i mean everyone drinks vodka. Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash |
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Lcacique says on Apr 7, 2008, 18:30: Nobody that drinks booze is going to care...they are not exactly trying to pick-up the Budweiser crowd. Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegrÃa. ¡Y el rumor de rancherÃa es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta! |
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gringoloid says on Apr 7, 2008, 18:35: man t, when was the last time a major company apologized for an ad.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 19:28: Yeah, Absolut apologized. It made my local news rag too. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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aztec says on Apr 7, 2008, 19:45: As I stated before lets just wait for a report of their bottom line. If their sales have increased then we racist/idiot Americans have no idea of world values!
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gringoloid says on Apr 7, 2008, 20:02: I think they're more worried about the rank and file drinkers.
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gringoloid says on Apr 7, 2008, 20:05: The funny thing is that absolut was sold to Pernod just last week. be interesting what pernods take will be.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 7, 2008, 23:24: People don't seem concerned yet. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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Cerealkiller says on Apr 8, 2008, 02:30: I think its just another edgy absolut ad. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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tejasmarcos says on Apr 8, 2008, 08:01: Mon Apr 7, 9:36 PM ET my glass is getting shorter on whiskey, ice and water... |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 08:02: i don't see companies apologizing for anything, including Benneton, which is making social/political ads intentionally to promote their agenda. this link is about a man that says he would go broke if sold only benneton clothing..
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aztec says on Apr 8, 2008, 08:03: Absolut vodka pulls ad showing California in Mexico
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 08:08: any apologies from oil companies, enron associates, cigarettes companies, strip mining companies, countrywide mortgage that destroyed 2 trillion in home equity, Blackwater mercenarys, steel companies for pollution in the past, car companies making unsafe vehicles, hospitals for killing people, food companies for poisoning us, Federal Reserve for creating a credit bubble, ?..........and on and on
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 08:09: this ad was a terrible insult on a very controversial subject that has insulted all americans, including mexican americans.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 8, 2008, 11:55: I'm not defending the ad. I don't think it showed good judgement. I'm less convinced all Americans were insulted. No doubt there are many companies that have committed genuine wrongs that haven't apologized. Absolut did. So have companies like Ford and Volkswagen which admired facism. This does not make this on that level. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 13:16: actually i have no dog in this fight................you know i've stated many times that the canadian and mexican borders will soon be dissolving and we will have the north american union, possibly as soon as 2010 and no later than 2014. nobody here believes me.
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bamacellist says on Apr 8, 2008, 14:46: "insulted all americans" "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 8, 2008, 15:05: If i were you i will go on the street and burn the Swedish flags heheh engage brain before opening mouth |
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Man Tequila says on Apr 8, 2008, 16:29: Done, and done. Thanks, Kat1. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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bamacellist says on Apr 8, 2008, 16:39: Too funny! Where did you get a Swedish Flag? "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 19:44: now who am I to break up a party............here is another one for you to laugh off:
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Man Tequila says on Apr 8, 2008, 20:22: Three words. Just an ad. Insensitive, maybe, but more cheap manipulation than insulting. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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bamacellist says on Apr 8, 2008, 20:27: Is that to be taken seriously? As if the two ideas are equally benign? "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 21:39: aahhh, man t ...........you're coming around.......your first comment in this thread was "Who Cares?"....................now for the above map its: "Insensitive", "Cheap manipulation"
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 21:50: bamacellist: "Is that to be taken seriously? As if the two ideas are equally benign?"
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Man Tequila says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:03: The original ad is manipulative, since it was made for the Mexican market. I don't get excited by cheap attempts to upset me. I'll concede your Israel map would upset more folks; largely since it remains a hot button issue today. There may be controversies regarding immigration, but no one is seriously suggesting California and New Mexico are, in this day and age, not American. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:20: bama, the current situation between mexico and the united states is atrocious.
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bamacellist says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:35: The ad that was run was a tongue-in-cheek reference to what is now ancient history. The map you made makes reference to a current and ongoing conflict with daily casualties. In the first instance the conflict is long settled except in the imaginations of lunatics and fanatics. The second, while involving fanatics, is neither imaginary nor over. It is unbelievable to me that anyone could not understand theses distinctions or their significance. "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:38: plain and simple, no matter what side you're on in this issue, mexican or american, the absolute ad was inflammatory at a time when we're trying to find a solution to this ghastly problem that has existed for 150 years.
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bamacellist says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:50: You're welcome to care as litlte about what I think as you want. I certainly am having a hard time respecting your thinking. As far as I'm concerned it's utterly ridiculous to equate the border issues of today - however serious they may be - with the issues of sovereign territory which were settled in the 19th century and are what were being referenced in the ad. Indeed, far more important things to worry about. "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 22:59: bama, how do you know the ad was run tongue in cheek? Were you there?
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 23:02: bamaidiot, my map is tongue in cheek too.............why arent' you laughing?
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Man Tequila says on Apr 8, 2008, 23:25: Gringoloid, I concede that the border is still a source of contention and misery. It's a crappy ad. I think the ad was just trying to be "edgy". I don't think people thought through the ramifications much. They only thought it would help vodka sales. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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christobeldawg says on Apr 8, 2008, 23:28: Humour is a funny thing admittedly, arriving can feel great too |
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 23:28: "As far as I'm concerned it's utterly ridiculous to equate the border issues of today - however serious they may be - with the issues of sovereign territory which were settled in the 19th century and are what were being referenced in the ad."
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gringoloid says on Apr 8, 2008, 23:47: man t........i said it's fine for people to have their opinions of what they think is relevant and irrelevant........funny and not funny.
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bamacellist says on Apr 9, 2008, 00:01: Suggesting that the ad was intended as anything anything other than tongue-in-cheek is laughable, to say the least. I believe the point I made regarding historical distinction and perspective was pretty clear and you have failed to see it, or chosen to ignore it. A roughly equivelent ad would be to run in England a map which showed, oh, say, those pesky American colonies as still part of The Empire. The ad was run in Mexico because it would be Mexicans who might get the warmest chuckle from it. Someone has to explain that to you?!? They apolgized because people complained and that was the easiest way for them to exit. Big deal. FYI, corporations will not apologize in an instance where it might create a legal liabilty, to answer a question you asked previously. Yes, humor is a funny thing. A sense of humor is an asset whose value cannot be underestimated. "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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aztec says on Apr 9, 2008, 06:59: Absolut Folly
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 9, 2008, 07:20: What a bunch of morons. The Swedish taxpayers/government, owners of the vodka company, create an advertisement sure to offend their No. 1 customer. I must have slept in the day they covered this strategy in Marketing class.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 9, 2008, 10:11: How does indifference (who cares) imply humour? The Absolut ad is simply different from the Palestine example, even though some of the principles aren't. It hardly implies Americans don't exist, and it uses a historical map. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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aztec says on Apr 9, 2008, 10:23: See attached:
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gringoloid says on Apr 9, 2008, 10:50: bramacellist................your responses are what's 'laughable', followed by 'debate cowardice' in running from my responses.
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Robert Jorge says on Apr 10, 2008, 23:02: If Absolut wanted to be real controversial with their "tongue in cheek" advertising humor, they could mess around with the map of the Balkans. Or why not Israel? --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy |
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billyb says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:44: Maybe they could show a map with a quarter of the world still draped in British colonial pink.
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Man Tequila says on Apr 11, 2008, 12:43: Maybe they should try to piss off everyone. The map from Risk with all the countries labelled Canada. Or a map from 2123 with all the countries invaded by the Ant People. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) |
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gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 16:34: i think i've had it with maps.....................people should be able to travel anywhere.
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aztec says on Apr 13, 2008, 09:48: SKYY® Vodka, Made in the USA, Proudly Supports Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
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