Steriod Rage

bamacellist says on Mar 30, 2008, 18:51:

This is a common expression, but it seems that it's not a well studied and documented phenomenon. Lots of anecdotes and suppositions. A legal defence? Not based on precedent, but because it IS a well known phrase and steroids are a topical news item, it's not inconceivable a jury will buy it.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-roid-rage.htm

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Plato says on Mar 30, 2008, 19:16:

Thanks Bcellist. New here? Welcome.

Regards,

Plato

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Man Tequila says on Mar 30, 2008, 19:55:

From http://www.emedicine.com/med/TOPIC3728.HTM

When testosterone, anabolic-androgenic steroids, or both are used in the nonclinical setting, many problems arise. Athletes' self-prescribing habits are usually excessive and many times based more on fiction than fact. It is very common for the anabolic-androgenic steroid abuser to "stack" drugs, or to use multiple drugs at the same time. Surveys of weightlifters have documented the concurrent use of multiple drugs used in a cyclic fashion for a period of 12-16 weeks, usually with a dose of 2-8 times therapeutic range. The use of multiple drugs greatly increases side effects and risks to the user. Coupled with decreased medical surveillance, the anabolic-androgenic steroid abuser is at high risk for serious complications.

Anabolic-androgenic steroids have been shown to alter moods by a number of mechanisms. Studies show that testosterone and anabolic-androgenic steroids may act as a central monamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor. Indeed anabolic-androgenic steroids are mood elevators and have been studied in depressed individuals. Vogel et al (1985) compared the antidepressant effects of amitriptyline (75 mg/d, up to a maximum of 300 mg/d) with mesterolone (100 mg/d, up to a maximum of 550 mg/d) in a double-blind design with 34 depressed male outpatients. The study found that the 2 drugs were equally effective in reducing depressive symptoms and that mesterolone produced significantly fewer adverse effects than amitriptyline22.

Another study combined methyltestosterone (15 mg/d) with imipramine (25-50 mg/d) and found a prompt paranoid response in 4 of 5 men treated. This paranoid response was quickly abated by the discontinuation of methyltestosterone23. This was likely due to the central MAO inhibition by methyltestosterone combined with the known effects of imipramine.

Other studies indicate that testosterone, particularly in the prenatal period but also during puberty and adulthood, is important in establishing a biological readiness for normal aggressive behavior and in facilitating the expression of aggression in appropriate social settings. They also indicate that both social factors and learning significantly influence the actual expression of aggression in adulthood24. In a 1983 study of 32 weightlifters using anabolic-androgenic steroids, 56% reported a temporary increase in self-defined irritability and aggressive behavior. When these psychoactive effects combine with strong positive reinforcement from weight and strength gains as well as improved self-image, anabolic-androgenic steroids can have addictive features.



Anabolic-androgenic steroid addiction is generally held as a psychic addiction, but the occurrence of withdrawal effects upon cessation of use clearly indicates an element of physical addiction as well. Multiple studies have shown that the withdrawal symptoms include depression, fatigue, paranoia, and suicidal thoughts and feelings. Furthermore, a strong desire to continue abusing anabolic-androgenic steroids exists even in the face of negative consequences; thus, the drugs are continued in order to provide continued perceived positive effects and inhibit withdrawal effects.

Finally, a 1989 review suggests the psychoactive effects, withdrawal symptoms, and underlying biological mechanisms of anabolic-androgenic steroids appear similar to the mechanisms and complications accompanying cocaine, alcohol, or opioid abuse. The review also proposes that a proportion of anabolic-androgenic steroid abusers may develop a sex-steroid hormone dependence disorder.

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miamimike says on Mar 30, 2008, 20:17:

Jose the "Roid' Conseco has upset some the Elite of the Miami Sports World of Baseball for Outing Alex Rodriguez(alleged). Conseco, while being a somewhat unsavory character himself, does know two things well--Baseball and Steroids! A-Rod denies he used them but so did all the other Ball Players he(conseco) outed at first; eventually they all fessed up or were found out, after testing, to in fact have used Steroids like Conseco said they did.

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Plato says on Mar 30, 2008, 20:44:

Here are some articles. Lots of discussions on the physical abuse of women.

http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/NEWS02/803270...

http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/NEWS02/803280...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/03/24/2008-03-24_police_...


Plato

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Plato says on Mar 30, 2008, 20:48:

To PBH women:

Why do some women stay in abusive relationships? Do they think they can "change" a person? Janette knew this fucking guy was a psycho!!!!!!!! I mean, he wouldn't let her order her own food at a restaurant? You gotta be kidding me!

Janette was very good friends with my wife. She use to come to my house to visit plenty of times. Our children played together. Then, about two years ago, she moved out of my neighborhood. She did always have relationship problems with the her ex-husband, an NYC police officer. She had a couple boyfriends and the articles tell you the rest.

Plato

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Plato says on Mar 30, 2008, 20:54:

I need PBH women on this board to explain this bullshit to me. Why do some women stay in fucked-up relationships! Right now I feel like any other man wanting to take justice into his own hands.

HG? Can you help me out??? What's the angle here?

Plato

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Plato says on Mar 30, 2008, 20:56:

Janette, I'm so sorry this happened to you.

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msaucey says on Mar 30, 2008, 22:18:

Plato.... As much as I would like to help... I think that us PBH Women, the majority of us, tend to be the other type of women that don't put up with this type of shit from anyone...

But, this is my overall understanding....

Women that have grown up with abuse, physical, mental, sexual, emotional, will due 1 of 2 things.... One, grow up to make sure that they are never in harms way again..... or... Two, continue to perpetuate and live in abusive relationship, because that's all they know....

Plato, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend... It is dispicable that men can do this stuff to women.... I know that all the boys I grew up with were taught, don't ever hit a girl....

Unfortunately, it sounds like both of them suffered a bad upbringing... Your friend probably grew up in an environment where her father hit her mother.... Something to that extend... In turn, she was probably physically abused as well, and didn't know how to break the cycle.... This guy she ended up with, probably grew up in one of those macho households that unfortunately tells men it's okay to hit women to put them in their place.... Never heard the "don't hit a girl" speech....

Domestic physical abuse towards women is still a huge factor in life.... A lot of women don't have the emotional strength to get out of these types of relationships... Men that put women in these relationships make sure that the woman doesn't have enough disposable money to leave him....

It's a sick twisted issue, unfortunately, until women can be seen as equal to men at all levels, and not just vessels for their pleasure, whatever that sick pleasure may be, this will continue to perpetuate....

Sorry Plato... I'm not sure if I've helped... But, that's my 2 cents worth of info...

The rest of the gals I'm sure can help out too.... But, like I said, the predominent women on this forum, tend to know how to avoid these types of psycho.... Of course, then we are deemed to be to westernized and not fem enough.. But, that's a different Oprah...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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travelingirl says on Mar 30, 2008, 22:24:

Yeah, I agree that most of the females of PBH wouldn't put up with that stuff. Short answer to your question: I agree with msaucey... I don't think the women really stay in the relationship to try and change the man, but rather she herself has some sort of emotional issue (self esteem, somehow thinks she "needs" the man, etc.) that makes her stay around and put up with his crap.
I'm sorry about your friend, Plato. :(

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miamimike says on Mar 30, 2008, 23:26:

Plato--I see this all the time in Miami, Latin women staying in abusive relationships. Usually there is at least a Murder weekly in Miami/Dade with a jealous latin husband shooting the estranged and/or divorced wife, sometimes the kids are even popped for good measure. Many times beatings go unreported it happens so often in Miami. Just last week in Kendall(suburb of Miami) a husband shot the Wife and her girlfriend in their Home.

What is even harder to comprehend is you hear, many times, the latin women coming here to Miami to escape an abusive relationship in their Home country yet what do they do upon arriving here???? They take up with another Abusive Latino Low Life Jealous Type and fall right back into the same abusive vicious cycle as the one they left their country for. Makes no sense, you would think these woman would look to another nationality for a fresh start but no, right back with the same kind of guy who abused her back home. This is just Crazy! We had one South American lady(cannot remember the country of origen) who siddled up with a Cuban guy, he called her EVERY Hour from dawn to Sundown 7 days a week and if she didn't answer, there was hell to pay. One day, she disappeared for 2 weeks without a trace, turned out she went into seclusion in some Georgia Motel as the hourly survellience and Phone calls broke her down and she cracked mentally. There is a lot of that here in latin marriages, unreal!

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miamimike says on Mar 30, 2008, 23:35:

Here's what I mean; "Domestic Violence Claims the Lives of 5 Women in Miami/Dade in Two weeks:


Clara Sanchez and her mother became the fourth and fifth women killed in a two-week rash of domestic violence in Miami-Dade.

The body count in that span is eight -- the three killers committed suicide.

The bodies of Sanchez, 54, and mother Clara Herrera, 75, were discovered Wednesday night in the living room of Herrera's fourth-floor home at the Cabana Club Apartments, 19701 SW 110 Ct.

The killer: Sanchez's boyfriend, Onelio Gonzalez, 73. Upset Sanchez wanted to end their long relationship, Gonzalez fatally shot himself in the head with .38 caliber Colt six-shot revolver.

The violent deaths raised the toll of domestic homicides so far this year to 16, including five killers who took their own lives, according to a Miami-Dade county group that analyzes such cases.

So lets do the math: 16 deaths since Jan 1 comes out to around 1.25 approx deaths every week at the hands of domestic violence,,,incredible for a so called civilized society,,,

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/473176.html

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eywed says on Mar 30, 2008, 23:38:

I love when I get to a house and the wife is beat up demands to press charges and as soon as I put the hand cuffs on the husband the wife jumps on me and starts hitting me for arresting the him . Within seconds of her wanting him put in jail. Go figure!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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travelingirl says on Mar 30, 2008, 23:41:

Didn't 'roid rage have a lot to do with what happened with that wrestler, Chris Benoit, back in the summer?

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miamimike says on Mar 30, 2008, 23:45:

Here in Miami it has a Lot to do with ETOH (alcohol) Rage!

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msaucey says on Mar 31, 2008, 00:49:

TG, I think you're right.... I was trying to think of his name, but I remember that was huge coverage.... Double murder and suicide... I think was how he ended things....

One more thing that TG touched on is self-esteem, a lot of women that end up in these situations tend to have low self-esteen and low self-respect.... Making it harder to get out of the cruel cycle...

I always remember my mom's great words of wisdom.... "Ni mi papa me pego, menos mas un hombre que no sea mi sangre"... This was right after one of her boyfriend's "tried" and "failed" at raising his hand at her.... I think I was 7 at that time... She pretty much kicked the crap out of him... Never saw him again....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 31, 2008, 08:41:

that is a shame, plato. my condolences to your departed friend.

* steroids can cause rage, but rage is in all of us to begin with, so that is a tuffy.

* i see commercials down here from time to time about civil abuse. in fact, i saw one the other day that was aimed at women abusing their husbands, of all things.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Mar 31, 2008, 08:42:

Hi Plato...I'm so very sorry about your friend.

Yes, the other women on the board are correct...the reason why many women stay in these abusive relationships is because of self-esteem issues. They start blaming themselves for the abuse...that the reason why he's upset is because of something she did. Plus I'm sure she's seen times when he was so very good to her, thus reinforcing her feelings that the problem is with her. It becomes a very destructive cycle and the woman ends up feeling like they're not worthy of anyone else's affection (my family likes him, this is better than being alone b/c I can't get a better man, etc.). Often, these men are abusive emotionally as well, thus reducing even further the amount of self-esteem the woman may have. It's almost like a drug addiction. Some like the "high" the good times bring, which outweigh the bad.

There are also women who like being controlled. I've been in relationships where I had 90% control (no fun) and others where I've taken a less controlled stance and I can easily see how one could feel themselves accepting less and less control. I think there's a balance that needs to be achieved for a relationship to be healthy.

Plato, I'm sure when your friend started this relationship life was wonderful. In time though, he chipped every bit of self-esteem from her. It could be that her relationship with her ex-husband started her on the road of destruction (cops tend to be more controlling in nature). I haven't had much time to read through this thread and your articles. I will later this evening though. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss.

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kalder says on Mar 31, 2008, 08:46:

The juicers in my gym all look like The Thing. And without the excuse of having been irradiated in Outer Space.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Mar 31, 2008, 12:22:

Plato - For more information about battered woman's syndrome, do a search in Google and you'll find lots of information on it. Here are the 4 stages of the syndrome. Perhaps your friend was in the first or second stage?

Denial - The woman refuses to admit--even to herself--that she has been beaten or that there is a "problem" in her marriage. She may call each incident an "accident". She offers excuses for her husband's violence and each time firmly believes it will never happen again.

Guilt - She now acknowledges there is a problem, but considers herself responsible for it. She "deserves" to be beaten, she feels, because she has defects in her character and is not living up to her husband's expectations.

Enlightenment - The woman no longer assumes responsibility for her husband's abusive treatment, recognizing that no one "deserves" to be beaten. She is still committed to her marriage, though, and stays with her husband, hoping they can work things out.

Resonsibility - Accepting the fact that her husband will not, or can not, stop his violent behavior, the battered woman decides she will no longer submit to it and starts a new life.

And you can find a list of reasons why women stay at http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/whystay.htm

Hope this aids in your understanding of the syndrome.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 31, 2008, 18:33:

"ginecomasty"

- wtf is that science dude? is that what we rednecks refer to as "bitch tits"?


madman, morphus...... morphus, madman...... is anybody else here starting to see a pattern?

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 31, 2008, 18:38:

i must have penilemasty then....... ;)

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 31, 2008, 18:48:

omg, that is hilarious, dude.

how the shell do you dig this chit up?

so the madman is selling steroids to gringos on the side here in medellin? is morphus really a client?

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Plato says on Mar 31, 2008, 19:37:

HG and others, thanks.

I'll get back to the board soon.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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kalder says on Apr 1, 2008, 02:23:

Do steroids really alter the contours of a man's face? The juicers in my gym are all right lumpy headed bastards. But I'd put that down to most of them being East European ;)

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on Apr 1, 2008, 02:27:

Sorry for hijacking your thread Plato.

On a more serious note- there was a Floridan body builder and football player who hid out in the UK on the run from the FBI. He worked here as an enforcer for a local criminal enterprise. He shot dead two cops on Christmas Day a couple of years back- they'd stopped him for routine traffic stuff. At the trial, it was reported that massive steroid abuse had played a factor in turning him psychotic.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on Apr 1, 2008, 04:36:

Well, I appear to have gotten a couple of facts wrong- it was one copper murdered, not two and it happened more than a couple of years ago- but the basic stuff's accurate enough:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3700770.stm

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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Plato says on Apr 1, 2008, 05:21:

Kalder,

On a lighter note, please continue discussing your experiences with lumpy head bastards. It makes sense: steroids stimulate growth in the facial muscles too. The facial muscles are always strained when lifting heavy weights.

Plato

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kalder says on Apr 1, 2008, 05:57:

Plato- I'd never thought about that. What an excellent point.

The roiders all look like they're trying to get into the Aryan Brotherhood. Ugly, lumpy, bumpy sods, covered in tatoos. The guys the girls seem interested in are the lean, athletic types.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 1, 2008, 08:11:

morphus - they are solid "b" cups. i have felt them with my own hands and they are nice indeed!

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