Slimming Tablets

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 28, 2008, 06:41:

bump

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slguy says on Apr 28, 2008, 06:45:

"well doh if you have ..."

sometimes you kill me. now we have a colombiana/welsh valley girl...jajaja

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 28, 2008, 07:44:

oh do not call me a Welsh valley girl huh! ;P

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morphus says on Apr 28, 2008, 07:51:

Yup...its all in the calories.

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slguy says on Apr 28, 2008, 07:53:

;-)

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morphus says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:22:

Humans need very little calories. Sometimes I only take in around 1500 calories in a day and weigh over 200lbs of muscle. I can still bench press well over 300LBS too. I can imagine how little food an inactive, petite female would need.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:34:

It's all in the protein portions ;)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:34:

I am always hungry :( but i do not each much and i make sure i have lots of fruits, i don't like chocolates or crips that much, but i do love wine, cheese and bread :((((

I go to the gym 3 times a week... still i wish i could lose at least 5 pound but it's been hard i suddenly stop losing weight.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:36:

Again...all in the protein Kat. It helps with satiety. Dump the fruit (take vitamins) and eat PROTEIN ;)

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slguy says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:38:

"i suddenly stop losing weight."

then i'm guessing there's a reason. maybe because the next 5 would disappear from a place they oughta be? jajaja

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:41:

Ohhh - Kat cut out the carbs..especially the whites (bread, rice, pasta). When you go to the gym eat protein before you go and work out those BIG muscle groups - like your thighs and Onion jjjejeje
This burns a lot of calories (building up the big muscle groups)

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:56:

Kat-it all depends on what kind of slimming tablets you speak of! These no prescription green tea or brazilan pills sold on the internet or at the Vitamin Shops are essentially useless and in many cases, they are dangerous. Why you ask? Because the source, in many cases is Unknown. Next, you have NO idea where, by who and how these Pills were produced. Were they made in someone's dirty Garage or Chinese sweatshop where NO Ingredient or purity standards exists? Who in their right mind would put such an unknown Pill into their Body amazes me! The Drugs made in Bonafide Laboratories,an Example would be a Drug such as Roche Pharmaceutical's "Xenical", (chemical name Orlistat) which here in the USA requires a Prescription if you want the 120mg dose. The 60 mg dose now approved for over the counter sales is known as "Alli". This is a legitimate weight loss drug that acts on the small intestine's ablity to absorb Fat from a recent meal. Most of these other fast weight loss drugs are BS, Fad drugs which rarely have lasting weight loss effects.Many people have become deathly sick as a result of taking these unknown Fad diet pills. Vanity overtakes good judgement and common sense in many instances,,,


Xenical; http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79398

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 09:59:

Uhhhh.....MM... Orlistat isn't called "orange squirts" for nuthin you know ;) jeje

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2008, 10:08:

CATGirl--I persoanlly took this drug for 3 months more for its Cholesterol Lowering ability then for weight loss. Thats a secondary action of Xenical(orlistat) . I rarely eat meat an other foodstuffs containing large amounts of fat but due to genetics, My cholesterol runs high. In all the time I took this drug, 3 times daily, I never once suffered from the side effect you mentioned. I believe the reason was my low fat intake; if you take this drug and avoid a lot of fats, you probably won't have this side effect. It really is one of those "Beneficial" Drugs. Then again, it is a real drug manufactured in a real Laboratory and not some internet or Vitamin Shop concoction of unknown origen,,,

CG-How long did you take Orlistat(xenical)?

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 10:17:

I have never taken it, I don;t need this type of supplement.....but my patient's call it "Orange Squirts" ...;)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 28, 2008, 10:22:

i don't eat much carbs just bread really and yes i have to cut on my brEad intake, but i am not fat but i need the 5 pound off to be perfect heheheh, you think is the fruits?

Miamimike i just ask about the sliming ill cuz when i said i want to lose 5 pounds and that it has been difficult they all tell me to take those, which i hate really.

BTW I don't want muscle :(

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 10:24:

Not....BIG muscle Kat ;)....me neither. You are already perfect Amiga and we are yammering on about nothing. 5 pounds? Come on!

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2008, 11:47:

kat1 says on Monday April 28th, 2008 10:22:

i don't eat much carbs just bread really and yes i have to cut on my brEad intake, but i am not fat but i need the 5 pound off to be perfect heheheh, you think is the fruits?

Miamimike i just ask about the sliming ill cuz when i said i want to lose 5 pounds and that it has been difficult they all tell me to take those, which i hate really.

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Kat-very possibly what you are attempting to lose via a Diet MAY be impossible due to family genetics. If your Mom or Dad have/had for example, a small/large belly or a Turkey Gobbler Neck, you, in time, will inherit this Turkey Neck or belly of fat deposits also. As you age, it becomes more pronounced. As you enter Middle age and your Metabolic rate slows down, the Fat Cells become larger and overtime, the belly gets bigger. It(belly) cannot be removed or made smaller by exercise. You can go on a diet and shrink these fat Cells, but a Diet will never rid your body of them. As you return to your old eating habits again, the Fat cells return to their larger size again and thats why people gain weight, time after time. Drinking Water will not wash the fat Cells out of your system-another quack diet theory circulating on the internet. LOL Chemically&Biologically this is impossible but a lot of people fall for it.Good for the Skin tone and digestion anyways, the drinking of water.

Another factor that would change the equation is if someone has a Glandular/endocrine deficiency or overproduction, say a thyroid disease and of course that could drastically affect the metabolic rate and affect the body's ability to metabolize Fat/sugar/Calories but that is another story completely.


If the 5 pounds of fat is say in your belly, surgical removal via Liposuction is the only real way to remove these fat deposits permently. These fat Cells you have are deposited during pregnancy; you do not grow more fat cells after birth and after you have say, Liposuction in the Belly, Fat Cells do NOT migrate from another area to the Belly area making you Fat there again. You may get Fat in some other areas where you have Genetic Fat Depsoits but not where you had Liposuction. It is a Common Myth and Old Wives Tale you will get Fat again in the area you previously had Liposuctioned; in reality, there is no Physiological basis for this occuring again.To substantiate this fact, that is why some Liposuction Patients will use the Fat removed from say the belly and reinjected into another area, say the Butt to enlarge this area. There is no way either by Medicine or by exercise where you can get these fat cells in the belly to migrate around, down and to the Butt-surgical removal and re-injection is the only method. Check with any Registered Nutritionist or Reputable Plastic Surgeon on this matter...

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 28, 2008, 12:09:

no not in my belly actually my belly is quite flat, but bit of thighs and waist, it's not much but you know when you don't feel happy about something..... i do lots of exercise and i am quite tone up but there is some fat who is difficult to shift.

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2008, 12:15:

Kat--you cannot shift that Fat,,,if you could you be be defying nature,,,You can only shift that Fat mechanically by surgical means,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 16:43:

MM is correct...Lipo may be the only option if you don't want to build muscle. Or...just be happy and leave it be - I bet you are just fine and don't need any slimming. We can be the hardest on our own looks UNO. ;))

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docwilliam says on Apr 28, 2008, 17:32:

If you dont eat meat, pasta, rice, bread or fruit......what is left?

"There's no time to panic"

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2008, 17:43:

Catgirl- Not maybe but Lipo is the ONLY Option currently,,, Physiologically you cannot turn these fat cells into muscle cells with any proven current technology so presently there is no other option regardless of what you want to do, no matter how much iron you pump. If you know of a method to accomplish this change, run as fast as you can to the Patent Office and patent that process pronto as you will be One Very Rich Woman! Get there ahead of those Ph.D Guys working on embryonic Stem Cell research! And here inthe US forget any research as Bush shut down the use of any of these lines due to pressure from the religous right of the Republican party. No matter that this research may lead to a cure for Stroke and various other neurological diseases. LOL Huge difference in the biochemistry between Adipose Tissue(fat cells) and Muscle Tissue. Nothing is more influential then Genetics when it comes to these fat deposits. 1000s of people exercise daily, the pump Iron until it is coming out the Kazoo but after all the weight training exercises, the FAT Cells are still there. They may have shrunk a Tad but the main structure (fat cell)is still there and intact,,,I have a German friend who is a hard drinker, smokes like a Chimney, has done every drug known to man, eats out daily at McDonalds all the crap fatty salty food yet he is built like Arnold S. He had the fortune to inherit very good genes and doesn't have an ounce of Fat on his 220 lb frame. Hard to beat genetics even if you try,,,lucky for him

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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CatGirl says on Apr 28, 2008, 20:50:

Ok MM - lots of info there;)) Whoa!!
Bottom line fat is fat and muscle is muscle. The only thing you can do is shrink the contents of a fat cell, but it is always there. That's why it is so much easier to gain it back. It takes more time to create a fat cell than fill one.
Yep...for the time being. Only way to rid of the adipose completely is Liposuction ;)

Stay tuned

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docwilliam says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:37:

Hey mm, a friend's mother lived like that and she is still alive at 88 (not good, but alive). Out lived 2 of her kids so far.

And I second that fat cell info but "lipo" is still a dangerous procedure. Anyone considering it should look at doing heavy research first.

"There's no time to panic"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:51:

jaja catgirl i will stay tune

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slguy says on Apr 29, 2008, 19:59:

damn, kat. first 5 pounds, then a "'big nose"?

got any idea how many women would KILL to look like you???

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miamimike says on Apr 29, 2008, 22:07:

DW-Lipo can be a dangerous procedure(as is open heart surgery) depending on the Surgeon who performs it, where its done, the Physical condition of the patient,,,Lot of Variables to weigh. Inherently, I don't think Liposuction is any more dangerous (and maybe less so) then any other invasive surgery,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 05:45:

I don't have a big nose but in that picture look out of proportion :(

i am glad miamimike is not saying it look like a tin nose.

anyway i don't know i might go and pump myself heheheh

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miamimike says on Apr 30, 2008, 12:08:

Kat--WHAT happened to your Tinfoil Hat??? I liked that Foto better! :(

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Man Tequila says on Apr 30, 2008, 13:36:

There are different types of slimming tabs. Most contain stimulants that increase metabolism and heart rate, plus cause the jitters -- caffeine, guarine, ephedrine or phenylephrine. They don't work that well and the calorie diet part makes a bigger difference, might as well just drink eight cups of coffee a day and get the same effect.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 14:01:

I can never remember...Are people that wear tinfoil hats trying to COLLECT secret messages sent by the CIA or to DEFLECT them?

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Man Tequila says on Apr 30, 2008, 14:23:

Is the shiny side of the tinfoil on the inside or the outside?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 14:37:

outside :)

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miamimike says on Apr 30, 2008, 15:15:

MT-Outside

Tinto--Tinto says on Wednesday April 30th, 2008 14:01:

I can never remember...Are people that wear tinfoil hats trying to COLLECT secret messages sent by the CIA or to DEFLECT them?

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Tinto-here in the USA it is a widely accepted fact that most of your Bush Supporters are wearers of the Tinfoil Lids,,,LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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aztec says on Apr 30, 2008, 15:33:

I have never been around a beautiful woman who did not think something was wrong with her body. There is always something they would change.

kat1 is really a beautiful woman. She looks like my wife and seems to have the same weight problems. Part of it is that she is getting older and some of the difficulty comes with age and changing hormones.

My wife has tried those drugs and still uses some of them. She has had most success by religiously avoiding carb's (white bread) and she loves her bread!

As CatGirl says you must be sure that any diet doesn't cause you to loose muscle mass. That is why some diets are dangerous.

This a personal observation so beware. It appears things that makes the Colombian woman highly desirable also carries with it the danger of weight gain. Short, petite genetically predisposed to weight gain. All that means is that they need to be aware, alert and active in controlling their (body) destiny.

Truth be told! I would love my wife regardless of any weight gain.

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 30, 2008, 15:33:

Kat,

I would stay away from slimming pills. They are typically just loaded with caffeine or other chemicals that speed up your system. Basically, they are like legal speed. My secretary was using the very popular Hydroxycut pills a while back and they made her feel awful. They caused her to sweat like a pig and made her pulse accelerate. In general, she said she felt like she'd drank a whole pot of coffee and she wasn't even taking the full dose.

If you are looking to tone up, I would recommend trying Pilates. That seems to be the absolute best exercise system for women. I even do some as part of my exercise routine. It looks like very silly calisthenics and you feel like a doofus doing the exercises, but once you feel your whole core hurting sore the next day, you will realize that the exercises are no joke.

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 30, 2008, 15:37:

Oye china, Quien es esa otra bella a tu lado en la foto? Esta lindisima también.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 15:46:

thanks aztec and CG both are my sisters
I am 5'2 and weight 8 stone 10 but is not much what i want to lose is just maybe vanity

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 30, 2008, 16:09:

Pues tu hermana esta bien linda. Claro que tu también. Me imagino que tu papi vivía muy estresado cuando ustedes eran solteras ;)

Pero en serio. Busca una clase de Pilates. Eso hace mi madre y a los cincuenta y pico todavía es bien delgada. Es lo que hacen muchas mujeres después de tener hijos para mantener su figura.

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MaFe says on Apr 30, 2008, 16:50:

Pills are not going to do it...you will gain the weight back!

What you have to do is hit the gym, run everyday...and eat well.
They say that whatever you eat; should be the size of your fist.
Also, lemons, limes, oranges help burn fat faster.

Best advice...exercise & watch what you eat.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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PurpleFrog says on Apr 30, 2008, 19:02:

MaFe...I have been tramatized by lemonparty.org. PLEASE don't mention LEMONS. NO...DO NOT GO. You will regret it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you.....Goodnite Now!

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miamimike says on May 1, 2008, 02:02:

MaFe says on Wednesday April 30th, 2008 16:50:

Pills are not going to do it...you will gain the weight back!

What you have to do is hit the gym, run everyday...and eat well.
They say that whatever you eat; should be the size of your fist.
Also, lemons, limes, oranges help burn fat faster.

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MaFe--could you Please provide a Scientific Link to support that last Sentence "Also, lemons, limes, oranges help burn fat faster". Thanks Mike

Depending on the Pills(Orlistat prescription) If you do not decrease your caloric Fat intake after you stop taking this pill and/or decrease your exercise, you will gain the weight back; otherwise you shouldn't gain weight.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Man Tequila says on May 1, 2008, 09:34:

Here's what I don't get about Orlistat (Xenical). It works by stopping some of the chemicals that break down fat. So maybe 30% of dietary fat goes into the poop instead of your body. And many folks would lose some weight. Fatty poop tends to stink, float, be mushy and look greasy. But so what? People who want to lose weight don't care.

And yet, they do when it comes to Olestra. This was the discovery people waited years for, and the food industry thought they would make billions. Olestra is a mirror image of fat, an L-enzyme instead of an R-isomer, fat flipped over. The body can't absorb it, but it has very similar chemical properties since it is the same chemical. But a few media articles on greasy feces and "anal leakage" and many wouldn't touch it, though they would pay handsomely to go on a pill that had similar side effects. Got to be the worst marketing job ever on Olestra's part. Never understood it.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 1, 2008, 09:56:

Yes, bad marketing. Frito Lay also charges a significant premium for their salty snacks that contain Olestra.

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ColombianoGringo says on May 1, 2008, 11:29:

Ha Ha. I remember those news stories. The whole "leakage" thing supposedly happened to Tyra Banks during some event earlier this year. Apparently, she was on one of those pills.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 1, 2008, 11:34:

eowwwwwww

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miamimike says on May 1, 2008, 13:12:

MT-I took this pill for 3 months and never suffered not even one of these side effects you mention. If your fat Intake isn't high, you shouldn't have these effects. It (orlistat)lowered my Cholesterol as a secondary action,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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aztec says on May 1, 2008, 13:49:

miamimike, I also took them. It is true if fat intake is low there is no "problem.

However you can never be sure what might happen. Can result in some uncomfortable moments.

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Man Tequila says on May 1, 2008, 15:33:

For most pills that make it to market, only a small minority of people suffer from side effects.

I buy Olestra chips whenever I go to the states. I've never had leakage PR that differed from the norm.

If your fat intake is not high, you might not need Xenical. My $0.02

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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miamimike says on May 2, 2008, 00:21:

MT-I had some of those Chips cooked with Olestra and I was back to Lay's Baked Chips next bag! They aren't my cup of tea but for many others they are! Something about the aftertaste it left on my tongue-like it was coated with grease!
Aztec--On the Orlistat, seen many comments on the bad side effects and now am wondering just how many people actually took them for a 3 month period or were they just repeating hearsay? like I mentioned, I never had one iota of a hint of a problem. And they do work,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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