Muhammed Ali and Bruce Lee

kalder says on Apr 10, 2008, 10:24:

As I was asked last night in the 'Moon Under Water'...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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morphus says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:09:

Bruce Lee if he could really fight like he does in his movies.

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MaFe says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:31:

Bruce Lee

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:37:

the landlord :)))

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El Polo says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:41:

The first drunk modefoque that runs out as soon as the fight starts :)

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El Polo says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:42:

Correction: ALL the drunk modefoques with OPEN tabs that run out :)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:05:

that's why I said the landlord...it could be a good night sale for him

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El Polo says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:13:

Kat, mi amorcita, si todo los borrachos salen corriendo sin pagar, el dueño se queda MAMAO!!! :))))

que se maten esos manes a trompa, yo me voy pa'l carajo!!! jajajajaja

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:15:

no, because in pubs you can't do that. Pubs are not like other bars where waiters come to your table unless of course you are having a meal there , in pubs to get a drink you have to go to the bar order the drink and paid. :)))

My favoutite Pub here in Hay is the Three Tuns

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El Polo says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:20:

I always open a tab in NYC pubs, or at Juanchos "pub" :)))

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:22:

well you can here but it is not very common, well not where I live.


Juanchos pub jajajaj

Just Imaging if we try to cross the Colombian names with the English pub names,

The mondongo and crown

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El Polo says on Apr 10, 2008, 12:30:

I Iike Juanchos "pub" better :))) (quotation marks included)

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kalder says on Apr 10, 2008, 14:27:

Muhammed Ali.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Apr 10, 2008, 14:36:

Sorry to say Kat, landlords are a dieing breed in London. And the 20 year old 'Bar Manager Trainee' is going to have a bad night of it.

Anyway- Ali will win...Lee does his thing and rapidly fires off five or six 'death mantis' blows (or whatever it was he did)- The air resounding to his shrill 'haieee's. But it doesn't matter: Ali, professional heavyweight, absorbs the blows- he could probably carry on for a good couple of minutes if he'd been shot with a low calibre firearm- wades in. A left jab, Lee jerks his head back for a nanosecond and Ali follows up with a right hook of devastating, olympian power. Lee's head is demolished.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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NataliaV says on Apr 10, 2008, 17:08:

I would have to disagree kalder. I think Bruce would win. I think it would be a nice fight to see, but Bruce would come out on top. A boxer only has knowledge of using their hands. A true Martial Artist, such as Bruce Lee, has mastered using hands, feet and other techniques that a boxer wouldn't stand a chance against. Just look at the MMA world today. Boxers can't hang with a more well rounded fighter.

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podborski says on Apr 10, 2008, 17:14:

I'm with kalder. I'd bet my life on Ali winning.

If Lee was Ali's size, MAYBE...but otherwise, no way.

Plus, I am not at all convinced a guy who fights in the movies can do much in real life.

I mean, I love Jackie Chan too, but picture him against Ali? come on...

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NataliaV says on Apr 10, 2008, 17:33:

Bruce Lee was a martial artist first and actor later in life. He began training at an early age in many different styles of martial arts including boxing. He was a boxing champ in Hong Kong before moving to the US for good.

Many martial art movie stars are discovered while competing in local and national tournaments. Bruce Lee is the real deal and not just an actor.

Hands down, he would win.

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morphus says on Apr 10, 2008, 18:56:

Bruce Lee would kick Ali in the balls and it would be over.

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greg says on Apr 10, 2008, 19:11:

I agree Bruce Lee would win. He was a great martial artist. Way too quick and skilled for Ali

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 10, 2008, 22:38:

Bruce Lee would pull Cassious Clay's still beating heart out and show it to him.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 11, 2008, 01:01:

you didn't tell me the fight was in London Kalder :p

here our landlords are still up and running :))))

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kalder says on Apr 11, 2008, 02:23:

Ali's alert as a cat, there's no way Lee's getting near his balls. It doesn't matter what initial strikes Lee fires off- Ali has the bulk, stamina and grit to take them. Just long enough to close distance and WHAM!

Kat- Welsh beer has a poor reputation here. It's whisky a worse.

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El Polo says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:42:

Lee gets to Ali's balls with a flying roundhouse upperkick kick & checkmate!

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esanch36 says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:28:

You guys are on crack......Ali once fought a martial artist...i forgot his name....the dude just kept kicking his legs and ali couldnt do shit and lost..or i think it was called off..Lee would win

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

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esanch36 says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:34:

sorry it was called a draw,,,but the match was highly questionable...the fighters name was Inoki and he was a mixed martial artist.

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

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gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:44:

Here is a good movie fight between kareem abdul jabar and bruce lee.

you only have a few moves in boxing, so it's kind of limited compared to martial arts.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 11, 2008, 12:47:

Lee. The landlord would lose if the pub got trashed.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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peteyw says on Apr 11, 2008, 13:32:

Assuming both guys were in their prime...Lee would win in a heartbeat 99% of the time.

The 1% exception, where Ali wins, is if Lee was too drunk to be effective. After all the fight is over who buys the next round. To fight over buying a round, you usually have to be pretty sloshed and Ali as the much larger man, would in theory be able to maintain his equilibrium better if the rounds were equal up until the beginning of the fight.

The fight scene with Kareem from Game of Death is always fun to watch.

Does anyone remember the STOOPIDEST Bruce Lee movie fight scene; the one where James Garner kills him?!?

Not only does James (Rockford) Garner of all people, sucker Bruce Lee to a horrible movie death; he does it without breaking a sweat, mussing his hair, or even unbuttoning his suit jacket and all the while taunting Lee (called him gay).

I was only about 9 at the time, but even at that age it was completely unbelieveable and hilariously funny.

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podborski says on Apr 11, 2008, 14:12:

I think you guys have been watching too many kung fu movies

Ali lands one punch and it's over.

That Ali/Inoki fight was infamous because Inoki or Inouye or whatever his name was (the absolute king of martial arts at the time, wasn't he?) sat on his ass and tried to kick Ali for an interminable amount of time.

I don't think he did anything but bruise Ali's ankle.

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gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 14:29:

pod, it is correct that a pro boxer would kill somebody if he ever hit them.

but i don't think bruce lee would let Ali get that close.................'reach' is very important from Ali's angle and Lee's leg has more reach than Ali's arm.

plus bruce had it all figured out as the video below explains. i saw this show back back around 1970 and i've used this analogy for guiding my life.

i think i'll put this on a 'peso thread' that is going on now also:

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peteyw says on Apr 11, 2008, 16:44:

The issue here is simple. If it is a sanctioned boxing match with 'boxing' rules Ali is bigger and was a 'Master boxer'; he'd win if Lee would let Ali catch him flat footed (most likely Lee would avoid getting hit and the match would be called a draw).

However in a bar fight where anything goes, Lee the 'Master Fighter' would be overwhelming.

The mentality of Lee, as Gringoloid's video suggests, would have been absolutely superior in the context of a bar fight. Its not just that he would have fought as water; its his split second ability to adjust his style of fighting to wind or fire or earth as the situation calls for. The martial artists amongst us will know what I'm talking about.

Podborski, A pro boxer could kill someone if he ever hit them and so could a martial artist close to the calibur of Master Lee. My former master, a Korean trained martial artist, used to like to train at night. Towards the end of his workout he leave his studio and sometimes go to a school building across the street. He'd squat in front the school building, a 5 story, brick, very large inner-city structure that was a block long. He would do 2" punches into the brick. His chi was so highly developed that that entire building would vibrate and groan, I kid you not. Master Lee would say here "buildings don't hit back"... I know. My point is that boxers do not have a monopoly on hitting hard.

You could put Master Lee in that bar against Ali, Tyson and Joe Louis all in their primes all at the same time and they'd get their asses kicked.

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Plato says on Apr 11, 2008, 18:04:

Kalder, Bruce would win. He'd probably take Ali down from the knees. You know he was the forerunner of MMA.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Apr 11, 2008, 18:06:

Assuming Ali stung Lee, yeah, I agree with you. But Lee was a shifty MoFo.

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podborski says on Apr 11, 2008, 19:33:

hey I know the least about fighting of anyone on the planet, but I'd still put my money on Ali!

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podborski says on Apr 11, 2008, 19:34:

I did win a boxing bet once, I bet on Hagler vs Hearns that first fight. I thought I'd lost for sure after round 1 or 2, but then Hagler clocked him....I think that's what the lee ali fight would be like : )

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Lcacique says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:11:

Bruce Lee. While I love Ali, Lee would smoke him in a fight. Ali moved pretty well for a boxer, but it wouldn't have helped him much with Lee...an extremely versatile fighter w/ power and speed. He would make Ali look ridiculous.

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Lcacique says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:14:

exactly, peteyw...not to mention that Lee was an effective boxer as well.

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morphus says on Apr 15, 2008, 05:12:

10 Kick Ass Facts About Bruce Lee

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/23/10-kick-ass-facts-about-bruce-lee/

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MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:33:

Morpus those were very interesting facts!

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podborski says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:33:

I missed the facts about how many world heavyweight boxing championships he won? : )

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morphus says on Apr 15, 2008, 17:04:

Bruce Lee would'nt win a boxing match with Ali. A street fight might be possible though.

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Plato says on Apr 16, 2008, 05:17:

I thought we were talking about a street fight. Lee all the way! Now boxing? Who are you kidding? Ali of course!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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morphus says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:11:

Then again, Jean-Claude Van Damme got beat up in a street fight with an amatuer boxer some years back.

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kalder says on Apr 16, 2008, 08:53:

He got knocked on his arse by Chuck Zito. But, as a friend of mine from NYC tells it, it was a sucker punch. Zito hit Van Damme as the latter was taking his specs off.

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morphus says on Apr 16, 2008, 09:08:

There are no rules in a street fight :)

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Lcacique says on Apr 16, 2008, 13:55:

Van Damme was/is a hack.

My claim that Lee was an effective boxer was not meant to imply that he could take Ali in a boxing match; however, it does give him an edge in the realm of understanding some of the techniques that Ali might use.

While we are at it, Masutatsu Oyama would kick Ali's ass as well.

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morphus says on Apr 16, 2008, 16:37:

Van Damme has a pro kickboxing record. I would'nt say he's a hack.

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gringoloid says on Apr 16, 2008, 19:21:

you guys have it all wrong.....................Odd Job, with his hat, would take them both out from a distance.

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