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McCain sent Contras money from his own pocket

Many of the "contras" or members of right wing guerrilla groups fighting the Sandinista government in the 1980s were drug smugglers and terrorists. High government officials of the Reagan and Bush, Sr. administrations knew very well about the drug running.'

The Associated Press
February 9, 1988

Contras Ask U.S. Citizens For Help
BYLINE: By RICHARD COLE, Associated Press Writer

Contra leaders have postponed peace talks with the leftist Nicaraguan goverment and are asking Americans to donate money to help fund their civil war because Congress rejected military aid.

"We are now faced with the challenge of conserving the integrity and morale of our forces," Azucena Ferrey, a director of the Nicaraguan Resistance, said Monday. "In order to surmount this challenge, we need your financial support and appeal to the generosity which has always characterized the American people.

Contributions already have been received from presidential candidate Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., and from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Dole gave $500 and McCain $400."

http://www.pinknoiz.com/covert/contracoke.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

By vladimiro on Oct 11, 2008, 00:52 in Off Topic.

sanandressi says on Oct 11, 2008, 06:42:

Yes, and a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for an end of US aid to Colombia and a stronger re-organized FARC and Colombia can go back to where it was before Uribe took over from Pastrana.

It is what it is.

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 11, 2008, 07:01:

I`m with Sanandressi... I have spoken with many Colombians who like Obama until I inform them that the defeatocrats are not exactly friends of Colombia.. Then they tend to change their minds fairly quickly.. And take a gander at that 1st report... Chaired by Scary Kerry of all people. The US is on the verge of socialism. Most of us here are are gringos that come here to get away from the political bullshit that we are being bombarded with from day to day.. And it looks like we will have Obama whether we like it or not.. due to the media shoving him down our throats,and ACORN`s rampant voter fraud.

"A wise monkey never monkeys with another monkey's monkey."

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corporalgator (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 11, 2008, 07:14:

So, the last two elections were almost certainly won due to voter fraud. In fact, in August 2007, the Supreme Court implied that when they ruled that attorney generals illegally threatened vote swapping web-sites in the 2000 election and that it was a fundamental right of voters to be able to speak with other voters to trade their votes when no money was passed. But, when Obama wins, and he will by a shocking margin, people will claim fraud.

Nevermind that he has registered more voters than anyone in history. Nevermind that he has raised more money than anyone in history mostly through small donations. Nevermind that his volunteer army Getting The Vote Out is the largest in history. Nevermind that in some states that McCain took for granted because Republicans always win them like Virginia, Missouri, and Indiana, Obama has 20 times more offices and thousands more volunteers. Yep, it will be all about fraud when he wins.

And the country is already socialist, or at least pretty communist where the system leads to a corrupt bloated government that only cares for the rich and powerful.

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 11, 2008, 07:16:

Just young enough to believe ALL the bullshit. Enjoy!

"A wise monkey never monkeys with another monkey's monkey."

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sanandressi says on Oct 11, 2008, 07:31:

McCain went to Colombia a few months ago and the press hardly covered it yet when the new God Obama went to Europe they all went crazy...the press.

Uribe met with Palin a few weeks ago at the UN.

Like Bush or not, the fact is that Uribe's war on terror, with US military aid, has made Colombia a safer place. Too bad that groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International cannot acknowledge this for what it is.

You people living in Colombia in this forum you tell me if things are safer now than when Pastrana was there?

Obama is a threat to Colombia's security because we don't know who he is ???????????????????????????????????????? I know who McCain is.

Obama is a good speaker like Reagan. He makes you feel good but the devil could be in the details. Obama has run around with oddball individuals including a 60's terrorist.

I hope a majority of Americans can shake off the image and hype of Obama and make the safe choice of McCain! McCain is better for Colombia!

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JGD (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 11, 2008, 10:09:

"McCain is better for Colombia!"
There is no other way to express that. Unfortunately, Colombians don`t vote in the US presidential election. So we can only hope ...

You are worried the US is going to invade and take the Venezuelan oil?... you are selling everything to them !!Peruvian Pres. Alan Garcia to Chavez

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Lcacique says on Oct 11, 2008, 10:48:

A democrat was responsible for Plan Colombia. And a Democrat may be willing to fund things other than spray campaigns and military equipment. McCain can careless about the Colombian people, he cares about continuing to fund the US military/industrial complex. And given the current environment, unfortunately, Colombia may be forgotten in Washington regardless of who is in office.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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romy says on Oct 11, 2008, 11:25:

Maybe Colombians are aware the FTA is no good for them and thus the support for Obama...

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pobrecito says on Oct 11, 2008, 15:27:

"McCain is better for Colombia!"

Better for jorgegdiaz, sure.
For Colombia ? It is less sure ...

No mas Tasco66 !

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miamimike says on Oct 12, 2008, 00:43:

Pappassitos says : I'm with Sanandressi... I have spoken with many Colombians who like Obama until I inform them that the defeatocrats are not exactly friends of Colombia

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Pappassito--You could not be more wrong! You are putting out bad intel! Here's why: it was the Democrats and Bill Clinton who INICIATED Plan Colombia which is largely responsible for the Improved State of Security in Colombia. Tell your friends the COMPLETE STORY instead of Cherry Picking the Info as you wrote above and incorrectly I may add.

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Likewise Poster Sanadressi is way off base as well with his post as he also is completely unaware of History and who started Plan Colombia:

Like Bush or not, the fact is that Uribe's war on terror, with US military aid, has made Colombia a safer place. Too bad that groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International cannot acknowledge this for what it is.

You people living in Colombia in this forum you tell me if things are safer now than when Pastrana was there?

Obama is a threat to Colombia's security because we don't know who he is ???????????????????????????????????????? I know who McCain is.
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miamimike says on Oct 12, 2008, 00:47:

Bill Clinton and the Democrats support for Plan Colombia;

Published: May 24, 2007

BOGOTA, Colombia: Colombia will honor former U.S. President Bill Clinton for his efforts to reverse the country's image for violence and drugs at a gala event next month in New York City.

The June 8 event may become a political lightning rod for Democrats who are increasingly scrutinizing the human rights record of Washington's closest ally in Latin America.

That's because President Alvaro Uribe is expected to hand Clinton the "Colombia is Passion" award "for believing in our country and encouraging others to do the same," according to the event's organizer in Bogota.

In 1999 President Pastrana visited the U.S. to garner support for his proposal. ********In July 2000, U.S. President Bill Clinton signed into law a $1.3 billion aid package as the U.S. contribution to the plan *******

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/25/america/LA-GEN-Colombia-Clin...

http://www.colombiajournal.org/plancolombia_ecuador.htm

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dwmte7 says on Oct 12, 2008, 05:57:

we need to think a whole lot less about what free trade means for colombia and what does it REALLY mean for us. just review the outcome of the mexican free trade agreement.

it's not FREE TRADE, until it's FREE TRADE... across the board. if you're tired of the bull shit and rip off of taking your property to colombia....i am, i've moved my personal belongings back and forth three times. and it's like being raped each time.

we're these commercial movements, that would be one thing....however, it's just our home and personal possessions and to get laid every time is bull shit. they literally make ther rules up as they go along. now colombians can bring there stuff here, already, no pain, very few problems and none if any taxes. one of our shipments costs us 35,000.00 before all was said and done.

SOOOOOO friends, before you sit here and say it's a democrat or a republican issue, note, NOT. it's a colombian hard ass issue that demand to milk the cow until it's fuckin dead. screw them, on this issue. either make it an open free trade border, or suck rocks. they continue to attempt to circumvent our borders by the illicit import of their drugs...and this reaches to the highest levels of govt. but if you, an american or a european, want to bring your furnishings, your car, your tools, etc. SPREAD YOUR LEGS.

so instead of saying someone is standing in the way...who ever that is, GOOD. no trade agreement until and unless IT'S IN OUR FAVOR.
douglas

patriarch

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billyb says on Oct 12, 2008, 08:18:

"it was the Democrats and Bill Clinton who INICIATED (SIC) Plan Colombia "

Yeah, that would be great if Bill was STILL the president.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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miamimike says on Oct 12, 2008, 12:17:

It was great he STARTED the Plan is the Point of the Post that in fact it was NOT a Republican Prez as some here would lead you to believe,,,

FDR started Social Security and while he is not the president anymore it was STILL great he started the Plan. Same anology as with Plan Colombia,,,

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billyb says on Oct 12, 2008, 17:07:

"FDR started Social Security and while he is not the president anymore it was STILL great he started the Plan. Same anology as with Plan Colombia,,,"

Yeah, and the Magna Carta was introduced in the 13th century, but the fact remains that we are stuck in 2008, so that is what we have to deal with. Myself, I long for the days of Reagan ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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miamimike says on Oct 12, 2008, 23:20:

Well, coming from a working class blue collar background and even though SS was started way back when, I know many working class retirees that Long for the Day the SS Arrives. That Monthly SS check, especially now days since what stock savings they(retirees) may have had in company stock plans, has pretty much dissapated for now. Thank God for FDR. Returning Vets should thank God for FDR also since he started the GI Bill and in this day of extremely tight money, this money the Bill provides comes in very handy. It helped me through school and I am eternally grateful to him for it! I voted first time for Reagan then when he won, afterwards, he privatized our Division of the Corps of Army Engineers and layed us all off. 5 years later, the Private company was charging more then the Government. Reaganomics at its best,,,

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dwmte7 says on Oct 13, 2008, 18:06:

when mr reagan was gov of california, he said......."taxes should hurt" right, and we should all wait for the effects of favoritism to trickle down. if it's not mandated, it never happens.

you'ld think mc cain of all people would be on a veterans side...unfortunately, that's wide of the truth. what a pity.

patriarch

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Lcacique says on Oct 13, 2008, 20:17:

I am so proud that one of my close relatives, Ed Koupal and his wife, attempted to put together a recall campaign against Ronald Reagan when he was a Governor. Too bad the People's Lobby did not shut him down before he got started.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 14, 2008, 04:36:

Obama is no friend of Colombia. He is against the FTA and Plan Colombia like all the lefties here. Be careful what you wish for...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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tasco66 says on Oct 14, 2008, 06:02:

"Yes, and a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for an end of US aid to Colombia and a stronger re-organized FARC"

Yep, you got that one right...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Oct 14, 2008, 14:32:

Obama is not against FTA's. He has supported them. He is against Colombia's for very good reason. That does not mean he will not support one when Colombia proves that it won't collaborate with illegal groups in order to murder union leaders.

You sure do not sound like you have very much faith in Colombia, tasco. No faith in Colombia's military, security apparatus, or justice system. Sad to read such things about a country that I feel is in the process of making excellent strides.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 14, 2008, 14:41:

"You sure do not sound like you have very much faith in Colombia, tasco. No faith in Colombia's military, security apparatus, or justice system."

Where did I say anything like that? You must be pretty desperate to post such derogatory remarks...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Oct 14, 2008, 16:13:

You think that Colombia's success against the FARC is solely dependent on Plan Colombia and US aid (by the way, US aid to Colombia's military predates Plan Colombia by many years. And again, Plan Colombia was championed by Clinton [a democrat] and Pastrana. Most liberals are for sending aid to Colombia, the simply want to broaden its scope). In addition, Obama has said that he will support trade with Colombia if the country demonstrates that it is committed to righting the wrongs of the past in terms of protecting labor leaders, for example. Colombia's situation is complex, but the country has been making positive strides...but you seem to think that Colombia will not meet such goals because you have already predetermined that Obama will never support a trade deal with Colombia.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 15, 2008, 04:22:

"You think that Colombia's success against the FARC is solely dependent on Plan Colombia and US aid"

wrong, wrong, wrong, you obviously have no idea what I think. Plan Colombia has helped Colombia in the war against terrorism, but the main factor in turning the tide in this war is Presidente Uribe.

Oh yeah, Pastrana sure got a lot of results from Plan Colombia...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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pobrecito says on Oct 15, 2008, 05:57:

and the troll goes on ...

No mas Tasco66 !

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tasco66 says on Oct 15, 2008, 06:05:

Pobre, here are some Winston Churchill quotes for you:

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

“There is no such thing as a good tax.”

You must agree with the second one, since you are doing everything to avoid paying taxes in Colombia...jajaja

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Oct 15, 2008, 10:44:

Plan Colombia was originally authored by Pastrana, he was not in office long enough to receive positive results from the bill.

Well, Colombia is going to have to survive without Uribe and it will also most likely have to get by with less funding from the US regardless of who is in office. So, I guess you feel that Colombia's recent success will be all for not and that the country will slide backwards in the near future. That is too bad. I can see why you would feel that way, but most Colombians I know are more resilient and optimistic.

Love your quote about taxes...It is brilliant. Why pay taxes to pay for your own defense when you can collect aid from another country in order to pay for it?

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 15, 2008, 12:18:

Lcacique it is not my quote, but from Winston Churchill. And it is not about why we have to pay taxes. Pay attention!

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Oct 15, 2008, 14:51:

You quoted it. And I assume that you agree that taxes are a bad thing and I know you want the US to keep funding the war.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 15, 2008, 14:54:

I want the US to stop importing cocaine from Colombia. That will take care of the Farc and there will be no more need for a Plan Colombia

and yes taxes are bad...even Cassini aka Pobre does not want to pay any...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Oct 15, 2008, 15:09:

The US will never stop importing cocaine, because too many people enjoy it. And though I think much of the blame rightfully falls on the shoulders of US citizens and the inept US government, other countries also partake in the trade. It is not going anywhere, anytime soon. Also, the FARC predate cocaine dollars.

How do you suggest paying for defense? Do you like the idea of privately funded militias?

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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tasco66 says on Oct 15, 2008, 15:25:

"How do you suggest paying for defense?"

Ask Churchill or Pobre, they are notorious for hating taxes...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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