MARCHA CONTRA CHAVEZ 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 12:20:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 12:41:

Simon says on Aug 27, 2009, 12:43:

Oye Katt, por que no borran a las lacras pro terroristas del foro?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 12:46:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 12:59:

Vamos todos a la marcha!

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:08:

turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:09:

Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:14:

turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:14:

Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:16:

Rocco81 says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:26:

Eazy E what about your home country of UK...we all know you're not from Kazakhstan. We also know you like the beef bong...you are a switch hitting, crack smoking, hip hopin ass raping fool.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:27:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:43:

There are plenty of lefties here that would love to march with you Eazy-E...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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ferran says on Aug 27, 2009, 13:59:

Nothing more but spin doctors at work justifying Colombias military builtup, next step is to have a Colombian 911.....that will put the seal on the deal.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:05:

Great website by the way:

http://nomaschavez.org/

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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njc (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:06:

Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:08:

johnny2009 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:11:

Nomaschavez, nomasfarc, nomassecuestros

Those colombian twats will hit the streets for any cause so long as they can buy chorizo con arepa along the route.

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johnny2009 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:16:

That's cos you cannot march without getting out of the car

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:19:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:21:

"You don't see Americans marching against Stephen Harper of Canada do you??"

Stephen Harper is threatening war with the USA and supporting Al Qaeda and providing them safe harbor for their attacks on US soil? Well that's news to me.

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Simon says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:26:

"You don't see Americans marching against Stephen Harper of Canada do you??"


If Steven Haper was supporting Al-Qaeda and had taken such hostile actions against the US like ordering six tank battalions to the border....the US would have brought him down a long time ago! Think before you type!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:28:

Yep Simon, maybe Brians thinks a war is better than a peaceful march?

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:28:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:32:

A march to protest Chavez's interference in Colombian politics, his support of the Farc, his continuous threats of war, is for you "Colombia trying to force their views on other soverign nations."

Strange way to see this peaceful march...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:32:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:35:

I give up!

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:36:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:37:

tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:44:

OK Brians, you had me worried for a while...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:48:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:48:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:49:

Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:50:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:52:

Haddeman says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:54:

Chavez reminds me of the fat,stupid uncle that every family has.At Christmas when he has taken one sherry too many he spouts off about politics,football and so on.The family just humour him saying of course tio,yes that's right.Nobody argues with him because he's an idiot.
By arguing and having marches you only legitimise his rantings.As I was taught ,"Idle and silly remarks are unworthy of notice and should be discounted".

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 14:55:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:01:

Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:01:

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:13:

ferran says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:20:

Again like always the root of this problem South American is facing is the interference of the USA in internal affairs of other countries. The world power elite already has it in the agenda to get rid of Chavez and take over the oil fields of Venezuela, its just a matter of time, Colombia needs to give away it natural resources and be indebted to the world bank, the wheels are already in motion, so after all Chavez could be right by saying......The winds of war are Blowing.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Rocco81 says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:24:

Some of you maybe are right in saying that Colombia needs to mind its business...but you got to admit that Chavez is crazy. He has started to condemn everythig from Golf to drinking to whatever else he can. You cut a problem like that at the root..you cannot let it grow.

Also the whole voting thing was tricky. He promised all the poor people in Ven. cars, houses, jobs and delivered nothing. The people are so poor and uneducated that they were easily mislead.

Sic semper tyrannis

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cali1010 says on Aug 27, 2009, 15:27:

Question. I know we hear all the stupid chit and crap that Chavez does each freakin day. However, I wonder if we are all getting our information/news from the same source? The right wing. I know that from the 26.8Million of Venezolanos which about more than 50% voted for him are not crazy enough to vote for a man that is considered by the right extremist as an anticrist. I do not agree with the way he carries himself as a head of state, but are there positive things that he has done? Anyone?

For example, Evo Morales called el "Indio", by some uneducated/racist/seperatist Bolivians always attack him for benefiting the majority of Bolivia's 60% of indiginous people. Now the one's that attack him are so called EU descendants of which are part of the Elite. Now, in the almost 200 years Bolivia has been a republic what have these people done for the indiginous population other than slave them, not recognize their rights and treat them as second class persons? Now, things have changed in a struggle that has been going on since the spanish conquered. Evo Morales has increased the capital of money that comes in by selling commodities and not given it away as the old goverments did. Now, in my view this is something good for that country and in the new constitution of Bolivia he given them equal rights. I wonder what has Chavez done to have been in power as of February 2, 1999.

Ignorance does not discriminate race, age nor gender

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cali1010 says on Aug 27, 2009, 16:22:

Brians, I find that you might be a little be mis informed about the standard of live dropping for the people? What people are you talking about? Poor, Middle Class, Rich? Yes, Evo has taken land away, but imagine some one owning 1/4 of Medellin and no legit titles being presented or people that claim that they were militarily taken out by force because of some elites interest? All Evo has done is given them back what was theirs to begin with and limited the amount of land a person can have. However, if the land is producing you need not to worry. Evo's struggle is much more depper than people might now with all the injustice that the indiginous people have suffered since the conquest from the spanish. Might want to pick up a book or travel there and get better informed.

Ignorance does not discriminate race, age nor gender

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sirwhale says on Aug 27, 2009, 16:58:

I think Bolivia is a special case, one that can´t be compared to Venezuela. I think I do remember reading recently that corruption has risen 200% since Evo Morales was voted in.

Anyway, anyone who critices Evo Morales should really go there and see how happy the people are... the majority that is, not the people in Sucre. It´s as if they´ve finally found their voice and are ready to use it and stand up for their rights.

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El Expatriado says on Aug 28, 2009, 03:43:

I was in Venezuela during the last elections, and believe me, the margin was not so large. Only 65% of voters turned out, and it was 55% vs 45%. In addition, all the government employess (the majority oof the workers) were orced (against thir will) to go to"Si" (Pro Chavez) rallies. where they were indoncrinated, and subliminiously led to believe that the government knew how they were voting, and of course, their jobs depended on it. Extreme mas psychological pressure.

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El Expatriado says on Aug 28, 2009, 03:49:

Tunmeon Said:
"you know someone is not colombian when they either support chavez or hate uribe, if they meet this 2 criteria then you know they are not colombians"

I have met several hundred "humilde" colombians, and what you say is gebnerally, very, very true.

Also, I have met several middle class and even poor (allthough educated) Venezuelanos, and I wold say that amongst a very large proportion of the population there, Chavez is even less popular than in Colombia.

For the life odMe, I can't figure where thelikes of that EAZY-E guy comes from. I think his just "trollong" it, tryin to post an outlandish counter opinion just to get people's emotions up. Nobody could really be that stupid.

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El Expatriado says on Aug 28, 2009, 03:54:

Nobois gonna o anything anyway, this is all bluster.

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El Expatriado says on Aug 28, 2009, 03:55:

I should spell check my comments before I issue them.

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Rocco81 says on Aug 28, 2009, 04:55:

Evo Morales is a dick and a Chavez lackey. He tried to make it so he could remain presidente for ever basically just as Chavez did. If they were both in power I think that eventually they would bleed over into Paraguay and take it over, making one large Socialist state from Venezuala to Bolivia. Thinking ahead and seeing that they are outnumbered greatly Colombia has a real reason to be concerend as does the rest of South America. If you take Paraguay and Bolivia you have huge numbers of poor, undereducated and easily influenced people living in those rural regions..easy pickings for Chavez / Morales regime.

NIN - The whole thing about Indio vs. Europeans is a bit unclear the way you put it. Yes of course in Bolivia you do have some 100% European blooded Bolivians who have been there for a long time, however most of the time the ones that are bieng called "Euros" are really just slightly more Euro than a full blooded Incan. So you have a Mestizo and a 100% pure Indian. Evo backs the Indians blindly and forgets the other people who are real Bolivians as well. Just because their grandfather was Spanish or German doesn't make them less Bolivian. Just because they are educated and own property doesn't make them less Bolivian and it certainly doesnt mean that they deserve to have their property pulled away from them simply because Evo Morales has some twisted view about returning Bolivia back to the "people"..what people are they talking about?

Sic semper tyrannis

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cali1010 says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:01:

Rocco81 - You wrote:

1. He tried to make it so he could remain presidente for ever basically just as Chavez did - Huh, then what about Uribe going for another term using a referendum? Isn't the same as Chavez using democracy to stay in power for as long as he can? Why is that any different than Chavez? Because he is from the center right?

2. If they were both in power I think that eventually they would bleed over into Paraguay and take it over, making one large Socialist state from Venezuala to Bolivia. - Do you know who the actual presiden of Paraguay is? His name is Fernando Lugo and hate to break the news to you but he was a religious figure and he is a socialist.

Anyhow, I don't have time at the moment to touch on all your points, but why don't check your facts before wrinting at least on the 2 points above. That way at least you'll be better informed next time.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:41:

"Do you know who the actual presiden of Paraguay is? His name is Fernando Lugo and hate to break the news to you but he was a religious figure and he is a socialist."

Now there's a ringing endorsement, as we all know how well religion in government has turned out throughout history, not to mention those stellar socialist states like Cuba and North Korea. Having made that disclaimer, Lugo doesn't seem like a bad sort (at least not yet).

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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JGD (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:44:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 19:13:

"yep, full of surprises that socialist XXI, Lugo an expriest, with child spread all over."

You know how it is with socialists, it's always do as I say, never as I do. That's why those Paradigms of XX & XXI century socialism and their families, like The Castro Brothers, the Chavez family, The Ortega pedophile brothers and their ilk live like the most degenerate capitalists (the only difference being that the capitalist does it with his own money) you could ever have your misfortune to meet, all they while their people suffer.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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El Expatriado says on Aug 29, 2009, 02:14:

Having been there at the time, I would strongly argue whether the Referendum on no limit to term of office in Venezuala was really done democratically, as I stated above. loked like a lot of coercion and mass psycological pressure to me.The "Cult of Personality" in it's extreme form. Something I havs not seen in Colombia.

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sirwhale says on Aug 29, 2009, 07:14:

El Expatriado tienes toda la razon. I work in a state school in Rionegro and the majority of the teachers and parents there don´t like Uribe and that´s on top of the Paisas I´ve met in Medellín who are against him too. Not that they´re for Chávez either though.

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cali1010 says on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:

True billyb...Lugo has from what I last heard about 9 children. However, if you guys say socialist can do what ever they want, they are not alone. How about all the politicias republicans/democrats that pull this kind of crap in the U.S? The problem does not isolate only to socialist goverments, or does it? If forgot politicians never lie, still nor cheap. Right?

Ignorance does not discriminate race, age nor gender

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edcaimos says on Aug 31, 2009, 09:27:

Verdaderamente que ese señor Chavez se está pasando de abusivo, grosero. Quién se cree ese ignorantón?

Do not beg God for mercy if you're not willing to give it to others,

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aztec says on Sep 1, 2009, 16:40:

Promoters of "No more Chávez" expect to overtake the march against the FARC

'The promoters of "No more Chávez," a worldwide protest called on Facebook and Twitter for next September 4th, told Efe on Tuesday that they expect to surpass the high turnout in "One million voices against the FARC," the march of February 4th, 2008.

"We estimate that about 50 or 60 million people will join their voices against meddling and disrespect of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez," said Juan David Lacouture, one of the organizers."

http://english.eluniversal.com/2009/09/01/en_pol_esp_promoters-of-no-m...

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 3, 2009, 12:57:

tasco66 says on Sep 4, 2009, 05:42:

Nice pic Kat..

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tasco66 says on Sep 4, 2009, 10:55:

Comenzó la marcha mundial contra Chávez

http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/470333-0-0-Comenzó-la-marcha-mundia...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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