Israeli troops say encouraged to kill civilians

ujay says on Mar 23, 2009, 22:51:

Defence Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio that the findings would be examined seriously.

"I still say we have the most moral army in the world. Of course there may be exceptions but I have absolutely no doubt this will be inspected on a case-by-case basis," he said.

Medical authorities say more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed during Israel's 22-day operation, including some 440 children, 110 women, and dozens of elderly people.
Israel's loss just 13.

they will as always white wash it.and so will the usa .

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ujay says on Mar 24, 2009, 23:09:

who put about the birth rate is wrong ,
its no more than any where ,2 or 3 ,
and the young dont want kids in this mess .

and even if it was 26000 ,give them their land back ,they never needed help ,then wont when they can live in a state of their own.

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ujay says on Mar 25, 2009, 05:13:

hey mongo ,
England, Belgium, Holland, France, Germany, Austria, England, Belgium, Holland, France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, Croatia, Jordan, Egypt, Panama, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Canada, Jordan, Egypt, Panama, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Canada,

you go to uk ,and not go wales or scotland ,

your in france ,where you can drive though to belgium holland and germany in the same day ,
you never went in to spain ,swiz,or italy ,lux ,and many others just a stones throw away ,dont get it .....

Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, Croatia, there are places here you only have to cross a bridge ,but you never went ,
in poland ,what for ,.....where you go ....
to gandask the beach where i bought a brand new 4 bedroom house on ,in 89 for just 25,000,visit the camps did we ,lets see some photos please ....

Jordan, Egypt, i take it are the places you lived ,which is why you say ...
I've lived over there and know what I am talking about. Have You?

just where did you live here and for how long ,again photos would be nice ,

born in the usa ,yeh .........so was obama ..........

i dont think ,you go more than bus ride away ......

I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

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ujay says on Mar 25, 2009, 12:11:

ja ja mongo ,
if i was fishing now i would reel in ,got a big one on the line .....
habitual drug addict ,nearly right ,but never addict....

Pretty damn big sailboat.47 x 25 ,yes pretty big...

soup kitchens in Soacha? never there ,they were in 5 holes .

humanitarian im not ,i just call a spade a spade.

You hate Jews, no just Zionist movement
hate Americans, no just the white house
and hate Colombia. one you got right .....

now lets see where you were living in Jordan, Egypt,

You've got an IQ of 2. Pitty it takes 3 to grunt

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ujay says on Mar 25, 2009, 13:24:

As for where ive been ,really hard to say ,best say most places ,but I do remember one trip ,
23rd DEC ,one year left Southampton UK ,

For Lisbon,then Gibraltar ,on to Cadiz ,over to Casablanca,over to Barbados,then Kingston,Cuba ,Nassau,then Panama ,thought the canal the mules were pulling us ,ja ja ,
On to Acapulco,then to Los Angeles,on to San Francisco,on to Vancouver, up to anchorage,on to pago pago ,then on to figi,across to nkualofa,on to Auckland ,Wellington,Christchurch ,back to Auckland ,where I got locked up in mount Eden for 3 days ,over to Sydney ,Brisbane,back to Sydney ,over to Tasmania ,on to Melbourne,on to Adelaide,
Then it was time for the cherry blossom run,
Hong Kong ,and kowloon,on to Taiwan,on to Okinawa,on to Kobe ,Yokohama,had a 3 p white suit made in 14 hours 26 pounds . Hiroshima and then over to Nagasaki.peace park is a must see....
Over to shanghai,then to hangzhou,back to Hong Kong,over to p.n.guinea,on to noumea,back to sava figi,back to pago pago ,back to nukualofa,back to Auckland ,back over to Sydney ,end of cherry run,

On to Tonga ,the cook islands ,a few other places and some I missed out ,ending in San francisco.flight home to UK ,6th of June.
23 days off ,oh I never said I was working ,23 days off then Fuck me I'm off again ,so I'm the wrong guy to ask where you been ,

There is no vaccine against stupidity

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kalder says on Mar 26, 2009, 05:38:

I've often been bemused by the fact that posts 'generalising about women' (the scandal of it!) are rigorously censored, and their authors heaped with opprobrium, whereas anti-semitic comments seem to get a free pass.

So, in the interests of testing my thesis, I'll write the following:

ALL GRINGAS ARE FAT AND UGLY AND ALL COLOMBIANAS HAVE FANTASTIC TITS

And see whose comment -mine or Morphus'- is deleted first...

Perhaps a sense of balance (I doubt one of shame) will lead to both of them being hastily swept under the e-carpet...

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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aztec says on Mar 26, 2009, 15:13:

ujay put up some personal information or leave. Your credibility is suspect.

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billyb says on Mar 26, 2009, 21:58:

Israel challenges Palestinian claim on Gaza dead
AP

By STEVE WEIZMAN, Associated Press Writer Steve Weizman, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 26, 6:02 pm ET

JERUSALEM – The Israeli military on Thursday disputed Palestinian claims that most of the people killed in the recent Gaza Strip war were civilians, claiming the "vast majority" of the dead were Hamas militants.

Israel says the three-week offensive was aimed solely at Hamas militants, while Palestinians say hundreds of people were killed by an overwhelming show of force that showed little regard for civilians.

Maj. Avital Leibovich, an army spokeswoman, said Thursday that the military had completed an investigation and determined that a total of 1,166 Palestinians were killed in the operation. It found that 709 were Hamas militants, while 295 were civilians, including 89 minors and 49 women. It was unclear whether another 162 men who died were militants or civilians.

The figures clashed with numbers released last week by the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which said 1,417 people were killed, including more than 900 civilians. Its toll included the names and ages of all of the dead.

The Israeli military said it also had a list of names, but the army did not provide it to reporters.

The Palestinian center Thursday called the Israeli report "a deliberately manipulative attempt to distort the reality of the offensive and to disguise Israel's illegal actions." It said, for instance, that Israel wrongly classified 255 "noncombatant" police officers killed at the outset of the war as militants.

The heavy civilian death toll caused an international outcry and fueled calls from human rights groups for a war crimes investigation against Israel.

An Israeli military school's publication last week of soldiers' accounts of wanton destruction and slack rules of engagement that may have caused unnecessary civilian deaths, has added to the uproar.

The military's report was unlikely to resolve the debate over the death toll, although Leibovich said the army's information was "checked, crisscrossed and double-checked with the different intelligence bodies in Israel."

When asked to explain the discrepancy, she said "you have to ask your Palestinian sources" and acknowledged it was not a precise science.

"We are receiving different information from different sources, the majority of which is not based on hard evidence," she said. "I can tell you for a fact that our information is checked according to different intelligence organizations and Palestinian authorities and these are the right figures."

Israel waged the war in Gaza in an attempt to weaken Hamas, which it considers a terrorist group, and halt persistent rocket fire from Gaza on Israeli border towns.

Israel blames Hamas for the heavy civilian casualties, saying the group launches attacks from schools and residential areas and uses civilians as "human shields" to deter Israeli attacks.

President Barack Obama's administration has promised to become "vigorously engaged" in the search to end the Israeli-Arab conflict and has pledged $900 million to help rebuild homes and infrastructure destroyed in the Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who harshly criticized his predecessor's' peace efforts and said the Palestinians were not ready for independence said Thursday he does not expect to face pressure from Obama due to the "deep and strong" ties between Israel and the United States.

Netanyahu is expected to present his center-right coalition to parliament next week .

After signing a coalition pact with the centrist Labor Party Wednesday Netanyahu appeared to soften his previous stance, pledging that his government would be a "partner for peace with the Palestinians,"

At a White House press conference the day before, Obama described the current deadlock between Israel and the Palestinians as unsustainable.

"It is critical for us to advance a two-state solution," he added.

Asked by a reporter Thursday about Palestinian statehood, Netanyahu fielded the question by referring to the coalition agreement with Labor under which the new government would resume peace talks and commit itself to existing peace accords.

It was not clear if that included the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan for an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. Both sides recommitted to the road map at a 2007 peace conference hosted by the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090326/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestini...

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Mar 26, 2009, 22:00:

Both sides lie through their teeth, but if I had to but a used car, i would rather buy it from an Israeli soldier than a Hamas "freedom fighter".

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kalder says on Mar 29, 2009, 07:18:

Well, if anything goes now, I'm sure the powers-that-be won't mind a bit of Chubby:

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ujay says on Mar 29, 2009, 20:48:

i seen him live in northamton,mad as hell he is .....

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billyb says on Mar 31, 2009, 18:55:

His only crime could have been that of having the misfortune of being chosen by hamas "fighters" to hide behind.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Apr 1, 2009, 06:16:

"Those were israelis that were using palestinian children as shields."

So you are saying they were shot by Paletinian Hamas then?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Apr 1, 2009, 09:39:

"Three teenager brothers (Al'a al-Attar, age 14, Ali, age 15, and Nafiz, age 16) told the Guardian that on January 5th they “were taken from their home at gunpoint, made to go in front of tanks to prevent Hamas fighters from firing"

So it was Hamas that shot these children. Hmm, why would they do that to their own people>

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Apr 1, 2009, 14:10:

I agree, it is terrible, and neither side should use human shields, specially if they are your own people.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Apr 1, 2009, 17:20:

I'm all ears.

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billyb says on Apr 1, 2009, 18:14:

jaja, good solution, urban flight on an international scale? That skank madonna moved next door, i'd give up my land also.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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aztec says on Apr 5, 2009, 06:59:

"Chilling testimony by Israeli soldiers substantiates charges that Israel’s Gaza Strip assault entailed grave violations of international law."

Except that there never was any “chilling testimony” — there were rumors circulated by an anti-IDF activist, which were breathlessly republished by Haaretz and its American counterpart, the Times.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/61281

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