US Troops Forced Out By 2011

dwmte7 says on Aug 27, 2008, 07:19:

shit...i hope we're outta that quagmire before that. this has been the greatest american faux pax in the history of our nation. the amount of money spent in that hole is probably twice what we spent fighting the germans and the japanese. and they were our enemys. iraq???

patriarch

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ronaldo says on Aug 27, 2008, 07:25:

What has this to do with COLOMBIA?

Posted in wrong place anyway.

Dwmte7, your exactly correct. I don't think you could F it up this bad if you were trying to do so.

Bush bunch worst in entire history of US. Should ALL be tried for war crimes.

Ronaldo

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droble77 says on Aug 27, 2008, 08:45:

Way out of topic but yep, sadly the whole Iraq thing is a major clusterf*** imho. Putting aside the whole WMD issue, when Bush talks about Iraq being a future strong democratic ally in the "war on terror" in the Middle East, I can only shake my head and wonder if he's still drinking or snorting something. The Bush family has close ties with the Saudi royal family and I don't think that's made that country AT ALL much of an "ally" in the GWOT. Shared economic and political interests with Saudi, Iraq, Egypt. . . yes, but "allies" ? Give me a friggin' break, they're Arabs, we have almost NOTHING in common with these people, lol, except the oil of course. . . ;-))

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tasco66 says on Aug 27, 2008, 09:28:

Joe meltdown on MSNBC about Iraq

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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dwmte7 says on Aug 27, 2008, 15:43:

for the posters above...this is the "do your own thing" zone....any thing goes.

and for all of us.....this is of concern...i say, come home tomorrow. fuck 2011. those folks in iraq have no qualms about bombing churches, mosques, schools, markets, hospitals and find some sick joy in beheading men women and children...you figure.

patriarch

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MaFe says on Aug 28, 2008, 09:12:

dwmte7 says on Aug 27, 2008, 15:43: flag

for the posters above...this is the "do your own thing" zone....any thing goes.

and for all of us.....this is of concern...i say, come home tomorrow. fuck 2011. those folks in iraq have no qualms about bombing churches, mosques, schools, markets, hospitals and find some sick joy in beheading men women and children...you figure


amen to that brother!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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dwmte7 says on Aug 28, 2008, 10:30:

thanks, sweetheart...i needed that. i'm up for seconds if there's any left over. pax

patriarch

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MaFe says on Aug 28, 2008, 12:14:

Un besito para uno de los dulce PBH members...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kalder says on Aug 31, 2008, 06:48:

Well it's an utter debacle now, but I can't see how the West going in and deposing a murderous tyrant was all bad.

And we need to stay until the job is done. We can't leave the ordinary people to the sadists and psychotics of the fascist Baath terrorists and the depraved, vile Islamists.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 09:25:

kalder....................."I can't see how going in and deposing a murderous tyrant was all bad"...................The Bushs have killed more inocent Iraqes than Sedam ever did and they hung Sedam. How about hanging the Bushs? Everyone knows that the whole Bush/Iraq thing was all BS and look how man inocent US soldiers have been killed. "Weapons of Mass Destruction"................give me a break................only wepons of mass destruction that Iraq ever had were supplied by the US to kill Iranians. Any one who could walk and chew gum could figure out that Iraq never was manufacturing "Weapons of Mass Destruction" without ever going to Iraq.

Ronaldo

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kalder says on Aug 31, 2008, 13:26:

"Bushs have killed more inocent Iraqes than Sedam ever did"

No. They haven't.

And I couldn't give a shit whether Saddam had any WMDs or not. Gassing the Kurds, massacring the Marsh Arabs, using the rape of children as a device of state terror, torturing and looting the Kuwaitis, murdering trade unionists and democrats: That's enough for me to take a certain satisfaction in that evil psychopath swinging from a rope.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on Aug 31, 2008, 13:29:

Anyway, I thought you lefties were supposed to be against Fascism? If so, you lot are doing a pretty lousy job these days, if your endless apologies for Saddam are anything to go by...

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2008, 14:05:

although i'm right beside you in the trenches, kalder. it's a wretched, disgraceful truth that countless thousands of innocent iraquis have died as a result of bush inc's lies. a true pity.

and since both sides of the iraqi coin seem to vote for the beheading of men/women/children; bombing of churches and mosques, schools and hospitals, homes and markets, i cannot agree less that we should stick around and contribute our men and women to the pyre, nor add to the numbers of dead and dying innocents. we need to just get the hell out of there, concentrate on the turd piles in afghanistan, get the mad man and call it a day.

i want our sons and daughters to come home. iraq and it's ilk are not worth our blood.

patriarch

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2008, 14:38:

Well said Kalder.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 15:59:

nnhKalder.............."gassing the Kirds" by "evil phychopath" Seddam...............where did the gas come from.......hmmm.........lets see......oh yeh, the US......Iraq/Iran war........who was US military advisor to Iraq at the time of the Iraq/Iran war....Col. Powell.......gassed thousands of Iranians.............now who in their right mind supplies poison gas to an "evil phychopath"? Does not seem to bother you that they were gassing thousands of Iranians. You see, Kalder, what we seek as a people of the world is "JUSTICE FOR ALL" not only those who some of us deem worthy of it. What responsibility do you assume for supplying this "evil phychopath" with the gas that killed the Kurds that you are so disgusted about being gassed?

Ronaldo

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 16:40:

Sorry, it was my young daughter.

Ronaldo

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 16:42:

Sorry, it was my young daughter.

She is asking me if she still gets dinner?

Ronaldo

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 16:43:

Sorry, it was my young daughter.

Ronaldo

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2008, 16:51:

Ronnie, are you OK? Should we send medical help?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 17:00:

Sorry, my young daughter was hard at work while I answered the door.

Sorry, I'll delete if I can.

Ronaldo

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 17:07:

Sorry, I could not delete, so I just replaced her work with an explination.

Carry on....

Ronaldo

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2008, 17:08:

jajaja, It's OK ronnie, she made more sense than you did, give her extra dessert ;))

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ronaldo says on Aug 31, 2008, 17:09:

Thanks for your concern, billyb.

Ronaldo

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kalder says on Sep 1, 2008, 00:06:

Blah, blah, blah Ronnie...I'm still waiting for you to say one word in codemnation of Saddam. Or maybe he wasn't a tyrant after all and it's my 'false consciousness' making me think he wasn't a loveable ol' teddy bear...

Then again, you lefties always did have a tendency to schoolgirl crushes on bullies.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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dwmte7 says on Sep 1, 2008, 06:40:

common brothers...we aren't the enemy...back to the thread.

patriarch

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Rowdy Yates says on Sep 3, 2008, 07:25:

Dutchman faces court over gas attack on Kurds

By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor
A DUTCH businessman accused of supplying Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons that were used to kill thousands of Kurdish civilians is due to be charged with war crimes this week, more than a decade after he fled to Iraq.
Frans van Anraat, who lived in Baghdad as a fugitive for 13 years, was seized by Dutch police on Monday and is due to appear in court in Arnhem where he faces charges of complicity to commit genocide and breaking the laws of war.

“The man is suspected of delivering thousands of tonnes of raw materials for chemical weapons to the former regime in Baghdad between 1984 and 1988,� Dutch prosecutors said in a statement. “The chemical weapons were used by the Iraqi Government in the war against Iran and against the Kurdish population in northern Iraq.�

Investigators believe that the businessman, 62, was one of the key middlemen, supplying tonnes of banned chemicals to Iraq from 1984 to 1988, during the Iran-Iraq war. The Iraqis built and used chemical weapons repeatedly against Iranian troops and their own Kurdish population. In the most infamous incident, 5,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in a sustained poison gas attack on the town of Halabja in March 1988.

In 1989 Mr van Anraat was arrested at his home in Milan on a warrant from US Customs. They accused him of shipping 528 tonnes of thiodiglycol, a chemical used in the textile industry, from a company in Maryland to Iraq. When combined with hydrochloric acid, thiodiglycol produces mustard gas, a chemical agent used in the First World War which causes severe blistering, attacks the eyes and lungs and often kills or blinds its victims.

The UN believes that Mr van Anraat was one of the main foreign suppliers to Iraq, making 36 shipments of potentially lethal chemicals to Iraq from companies in the West.

He was released from custody in Italy and fled to Iraq where he lived as a fugitive in Baghdad. He was reported to have worked for the Ministry of Military Industrialisation and was occasionally seen in the city driving a white Oldsmobile and in the company of his Moroccan girlfriend.

In a Dutch television interview two years ago, he confessed that he had shipped materials to Iraq but insisted that he was innocent of any wrongdoing. “This was not my main business. This is something I did in passing,� he told the Netwerk programme.

“Somewhere once back then, I got the request whether I could deliver certain products to them, which they needed. And because I had a very good relationship with the (Iraqi) Oil Ministry, and that’s where the request came from, I tried to see if I could do it. And that was successful and we did deliver some materials.�

After the US-led invasion of Iraq last year, Mr van Anraat is believed to have escaped via Syria and slipped back into the Netherlands, where he remained until his arrest in Amsterdam. Police said that when he was seized his bags were packed and he appeared to be preparing to leave the country.

His trial could coincide with the first hearings in Baghdad of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, which is due to begin proceedings against leading figures in the former regime including Saddam Hussein, who faces seven charges of crimes against humanity.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article400377.ece

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