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Raaay and myself were having a discussion about this on private mail when i figured it would be best to bring the question out to the board for challenges.

Let's say that a person had a chopper motorcycle in the states and he wanted to bring it to Colombia.

So the guy takes it completely apart and ships each piece separately to
Colombia. Like the frame in one shipment, rims in another, cylinder heads in another, etc., so that in 10 shipments over 6 months the bike would be here unassembled.

Next you get a guy in colombia that builds bikes to put the whole thing together and register it as new because he built it.

This is a one time deal, for personal use, and not for a business of bringing in all kinds of bikes.

According to Arthur Brode it could be brought in on JJ Logistics, tax included for a whole lot less than a new Harley costs here in Bogota, taxes included.

Hit me with the challenges.

By gringoloid on Apr 13, 2008, 17:18 in Off Topic.

gringoloid says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:22:

I figure you could do this for half the cost of a new Harley bought in Colombia.

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RAAAY says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:37:

Chopper bike...??...........I thought you were talking about helicopters.........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Medellin Traveler says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:42:

This should be made into a challenge to all PBH members, especially those who make frequent trips to Colombia. You can get folks to personally deliver the parts to Medellin and/or Bogota.

Let's not only make this a reality, but let's see how cheap it can be done, in whatever time frame it takes.

Start a blog and document this wild adventure on PBH.

I'm game!

You can count on me........

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:45:

If it works, we can update the lyrics to the Johnny Cash song "Once Piece at a Time."

How do you say "Honey, take me for a spin" in Spanish?

I want royalties!

;-)

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Cheers Terry says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:49:

As a long-time biker this cracks me up.

Love it.

Cheers,
Terry

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Cheers Terry says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:51:

Have any of you guys ever researched what the Colombian duty is on imported bike parts?

That could be the kicker...

Cheers,
Terry

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Juanes says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:57:

looks like this bike needs no repairs although i did see a slight crack appearing.....maybe you can get on the pan american and ride like the wind.

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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Alma del Norte says on Apr 13, 2008, 18:10:

Good question G'loid. But somehow I don't think you are going to get the answer here. I have a KLR650 here. She's illegal, I don't have the temporary importation permit, so if I could get someone to "build" her, and then register her as a Colombian bike, I would be very happy. Hmm...I'm still thinking taxes, including sales tax on a newly built bike.

La vida es una rutina

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gringoloid says on Apr 13, 2008, 18:15:

cheersterry.................arthur brode says that JJ Logistics includes the tax in their shipping price. he says it is by the pound; i haven't talked with them yet.

You could also buy the engine here and save a big chunk, so you would only be shipping small , relatively light weight parts.

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 13, 2008, 21:06:

I asked pretty much the same question about a year ago and received zero response. I think it has to be possible. The challenge(s) would be: #1: How would the bike get registered in Colombia once assembled? #2: Who would you trust to be competant enough to re-assemble a bike from parts? ... thus, trusting them potentially with your life. If both of these challenges could be overcome, it would be one hell of a cool loop-hole to get a bike into Colombia for expats. I would love to take my bike down there.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 13, 2008, 21:25:

i know some boys out of dallas that can supply all the parts you need. they do custom harleys and almost won that mtv gig a while back. i'm game. just tell me what we need as i'm headed back for a month in may sometime.

http://www.martinbrosbikes.com/v2home.php

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Alma del Norte says on Apr 13, 2008, 22:05:

Robert Jorge - Why don't you ride, (via boat of course, or plane), avoiding the need for reassembly?

La vida es una rutina

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 13, 2008, 22:14:

Because you can't import a used vehicle into Colombia. You can bring one with you on a tourist stamp, but it MUST leave with you.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Alma del Norte says on Apr 13, 2008, 22:24:

I've got one! - it's been here for a year this time. It's illegal. Do you get me now? ;)

La vida es una rutina

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Alma del Norte says on Apr 13, 2008, 22:27:

Never say "MUST"!

La vida es una rutina

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goin_south says on Apr 13, 2008, 22:45:

never say must,.. I was just thinking the same thing,

So many people here on pbh are always goin_off on what you HAVE TO OR MUST DO AND NOT DO IN COLOMBIA.... I'm thinking... (arrogantly, of course!) that if it is SO FREAKIN HARD for the immigration people in the USA to keep up with who's legal and who's not ... then... is it really that big a deal in Locombia? THEY DO HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS (TERRORISTAS) TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR....Always remembering ... they DO WANT our gringo dollars to remain... well, less and less of course, but stilll... IT'S STILL 1790 : 1 ! and, I'm thinking as long as you got the pesos to pay the fine if you're caught up with, then....

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?????? ... jejeje.. how fokn arrogant

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Alma del Norte says on Apr 13, 2008, 23:02:

GS you crack me up:) No shit, and that's not arrogance, it's culturally sensibility. Your style freaks me out, funny. Most of the Colombians I know, think I'm even crazy for liking living here never mind riding round out on an illegal moto. I'm growing horns just writing this. F'n hell, seen the new drink/drive laws?- seen the reality? Ha!

La vida es una rutina

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goin_south says on Apr 13, 2008, 23:19:

(Writing Under the Influence of La_Campiña)

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?????? ... jejeje.. how fokn arrogant

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jonas says on Apr 14, 2008, 07:10:

Just a guess: When you try to get legal papers for the bike made in Colombia, the people in charge of elaborating the ownership papers will certainly understand what you are trying to do. Now if they wanted they could make your life hell asking for papers / invoices for the engine and any other parts. Now if you could "befriend" these people you might get through with the idea but it would certainly eat up an extra chunk of cash.

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 07:33:

jonas.......don't you live over there by the harley dealer in the pink zone? The bikes are a typical rip off because of the taxes. I feel like I could do the whole thing for no more than 8 grand; or maybe a bit more,......that includes paying the mechanic and all the legal papers.

there are a few guys on this website that have machine shops and body shops that could do the work or they would know someone who could.

i know you're going to have to pay and pay dearly................but my main question is can this be done with an absolutely clean title and registration? so that if i could pulled over by the chief of police that he could not find anything wrong.

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 07:36:

gl, what do you do with the original VIN number? Or motorbikes does not have one?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 08:33:

robi, if push came to shove.............then i would order a brand new motor and have it shipped in with the VIN on it.

but the one i would ship would already has a vin, so i don't see why i would not use that one.

mechanics build these bikes all time from parts and fabrications so i''m thinking it would work.

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lampltr says on Apr 14, 2008, 08:57:

GS, you are right...with a little slip of some greenbacks anything goes! Customs included, but best to network to find the right person for sure. Gringoloid, check with Lowell as he is big into bikes, but piecing out in hold baggage would possibly be best option as you stated.

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:15:

The bikes I have seen have VIN numbers on the actual frame. Here's mine for example:
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--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:24:

Gringoloid..........just take the bike in on a temp permit. Use it for the period and then report it stolen. The, you don't need to worry about re-building and paying taxes on the parts.

Giggle around with the vin number and have your guy say he built it.

Get some advice from Robi. He's Italian. He will know how to do all the crooked things.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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morphus says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:31:

Sounds like a crazy idea to me.

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:36:

Which idea...???

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:39:

Problem is that the VIN is already registered in the US and not of a new bike and obviously, not a bike made in Colombia. DIAN and maybe Transito would not take it long to find it out.
As Robert says, the VIN should be on the frame.

It seems like a dumb idea, to me.
The only thing I can imagine that you can do, it is to find an old broken down motorbike of a similar kind, already registered in Colombia, buy it and put on it everything from your bike, keeping the VIN number (just switching it).
Of course, get your bike in on temp permit and then report it as stolen.

Or, know someone in el Transito, better of a border town, and pay off them to register your bike as Colombian.

Both way, then you will need a fake "factura" and DIAN papers.

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:44:

Who is Diane ?

Is she a prepago ?

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jonas says on Apr 14, 2008, 10:59:

Diane makes prepagos look cheap.

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 11:19:

I see the point now and it's the hole in the process.

so the vin is registered in the usa and it's at that point that you would be bringing in a used vehicle, which you really can't.

i thought it was an easy way to get around things.........but i'm not going to do anything illegal.

i'll just buy a bike here.

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 11:23:

The fact that the VIN is reistered in the US is of no bearing.

A guy here, that " builds " a bike then applies for a VIN # here. Just make sure the US is gone.

Best thing to do is. Steal a bike in Miami. ( Robi can help you with this ). Ship it down here. Have the guy here get rid of the VIN. You will need a crooked Colombian to organize this. ( That will not be hard to find )
Robi can also help you in this.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 11:27:

Remember Ray, where there is an Italian, an Irish is always around

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poco says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:14:

Do not engage in any activity that’s illegal or requires the assistance of Colombians engaged in or a part of illegal activities.

Generally, if you can’t follow the rules in Colombia there is something amiss with your general psychological makeup or finances.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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Gator says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:02:

How about the "Certificate of Origin" from the manufacturer. Of course no one in Colombian would make a denunciation just for the pesos.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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Frank Rizzo says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:36:

Good to see ya Gator !!

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:38:

you can continue to wander around in the dark here or call an expert and find out your options.

this is a Trendkill HT Frame from Martin Bros in Dallas. they build some of the best in the business. they will be able to tell you definitively where you stand from the USA perspective and whether or not a VIN would be attached to one of their frames.

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here is one of their bikes. they make all kinds;

this is what a trendkill frame can ultimately look like;

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:06:

I can just imagine what that wee f**kin thing would look like after you go over the first neighborhood speed bump here.

And anyway...........where is the prepago going to sit ?

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:10:

Hell... not even a dog could sit in there.

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:34:

I looked at that site...............those bikes must start at what, $200K? My wallet stares back at me in disbelief.

The paint job alone must be 10 grand.

I never liked those extended handlebars.............a car may pull out on you.

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Lowell says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:46:

When I was fresh in Colombia and need the name changed on a receipt of 8 million pesos, 200 mil pesos did the trick. I recall the man saying, Sir, with money anything can be done in Colombia. 500 mil got my name listed on my wifes son's birth certificate as if I was the father. None existed before. Now a cool million wil get my name removed as the boy has done a 180 and turned into a child from hell. His and his mothers fault and loss.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:14:

gringoloid - joe martin is an artist and master painter. he and his brother jason got into the bikebuilding biz about 10 years ago as a hobby. joe has painted bikes for countless customers worldwide and the martin brothers have built bikes for all types including celebrities.

* you can build whatever type of bike you want with one of those frames including something much more conservative and modest. the key is they can get you a frame, and maybe without any VIN. you just need to call and explain your position. they do all kinds of "special" requests.

* Their bikes average around $80,000. i'm not sure what the pricetag is for the trendkiller. i think that is the bike joe entered into the MTV bike buildoff competition and came in 2nd place behind a california builder.

ray, you always keep the girl "under" the bike. everyone knows that...

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jonas says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:17:

next time they should put a Colombiana under the bike and they may come out 1st

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:24:

the key is to ask a builder about the frame question - not the experts on PBH ;)

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:27:

my mistake - it was the discover channel (bike buildoff series).

Joe Martin vs. Shinya Kimura, Jan. 18, 2005

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/newsandupdates/discovery_channel_bike...

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:47:

alright, then we're back to square one............one question, who puts the vin on the bike?

If it;s the manufacture then there are bike guys here that could put a legal vin on......i imagine. how do they do it when they build a bike?

You could go to the harley website and order every single part and build a harley. but it would cost a heckuva lot.

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:50:

TJ.......that's what i'm talking about in your first picture of just the frame. unless they've changed the law in the past couple of years, i'm sure you can order that piece sin vin.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:08:

correct gringoloid. they are custom frames. now you get the picture.

* you can use that frame to build a $8-10,000 bike or one that costs $80,000. it just depends on how you build it and what parts you use.

* i saw a martin bros bike one time and it was a very classic look. hell, they just used black primer for the paint. it was a good friend of mine who had it built. i think he paid $9000 in total - about 10 years ago.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:14:

i'm almost positive a builder can get you a frame sans VIN.

* i believe they VIN them once the build is complete.

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:39:

You two miss the problem again.

What you must have is a frame with a VIN number that appears also on the import paper of DIAN.
Then you can get the bike registered at Transito.
I don't know if you have to present also other papers from the manufacturer or pass conformity tests. If it is a custom model, then you probably have.

So, either you falsify the import papers or use a VIN number and papers of an existing (but of course, not running) Colombian bike.
However, in the latter case, you have to find a similar model of bike, because the papers bear the brand and type of motorbike.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:47:

robi - why does a "frame" need a VIN? it technically is not a vehicle yet. looks like some tubes welded together to me.

- most of those frames are built for custom harleys.

- * i saw a frickin guy rolling down avenida poblado the other day in a "popcorn" mobile. i swear to god it was a combination cart, motorcycle and popcorn machine. everybody turned to look at it. guess what? it had a license plate.

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:50:

alright robi, tell me this then............there are guys on this website that i know personally that build bikes and cars. they are a licensed, legal business.

how do they get a vin on their bikes that they make from the ground up? they fabricate when needed and they also order parts in from other countries; and also ship the finished products to northamerican and europe.

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:50:

Once again.......Robi misses the whole point..........You can build a custom vehicle here and submit it for road worthiness and the vin #'s etc will be issued.

Why is Robi always wrong. Perhaps he is spending too much time in Strip Clubs.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:55:

i think it can be done GL. i think your biggest concern is going to be managing all of the logistics to get it done and then maintenance issues associated with owning a harley thereafter.

- i do not see why you couldn't have that exact frame (or one like it) built for you here. why import?

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:57:

What it happens that all the vehicle that are imported are identified by their VIN number.
It is in the Dian import papers.
When you buy a vehicle in Colombia (or even a fridge or a shaker) you get the import papers by Dian, to prove if requested that the vehicle was correctly imported into Colombia.
For whatever reason you want to change your frame, you have to go to Transito, show the import papers and get a new number marked on the frame. It will end with something like RGB (regrabado).

So, if a frame does not bear a number, you'll have to put one anyway.
You go around with that Harley, police stops you, ask for the ownership certification by Transito, may ask for the Dian papers. Then, they may want to check the correspondence of the VIN number on your bike and the papers.

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:02:

Gl, whatever, you have to show the import papers from Dian. If it is for the pieces fine.
Then, I guess they have rules for custom made vehicles. A list of appointed builder? I do not know.
Surely, you'll have to pass inspections.
They will check all the papers from the pieces and ask themselves if you're not crazy to have an Harley built in Colombia.
And they may ask why you did it, be sure to answer something believable.

What can happen? I don't know. It just look like a bigger pain in the ass than selling your bike in the states or import on temp permit and then try other ways.

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:09:

Bottom line, while i heard about a lot other stuff, I never heard about any Colombian who did it. So, it does not work.

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gringoloid says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:09:

back in the old days before the widespread popularity of motos, i would be riding down the I-405 in Los Angeles with a bunch of guys and suddenly one guys 'rake' would separate from the rest of the bike. pretty scary thing to watch as he and his squeeze hit the pavement,

that place you mention i would imagine would be using the highest quality steel there is in the world, with the welds checked electronically. i'm not going to cut costs on the quality of materials when it comes to a bike. i'm not saying colombia or any other countries does not know how to make steel, it's just that i know what questions to ask in the states.

i had my first Harley in 1968, the price? $60, and it ran good.

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:20:

1968......shit......... I was'nt even born and you were running around on a Harley.
That was the same year that Robi's first child was born.........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 17:40:

Now, gl, do you really want to talk about Harleys to a guy who owns a f*** honda twingo something?

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 18:02:

.

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MOOOOOODDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSS

.The f**kin Eye Talian is launching PERSONAL attacks on me bike.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Catfish35 says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:46:

I LOVE COLOMBIA
When I first started coming here I was a poor black child from Tupelo, Mississippi.
With a few pesos, in the right hands and a visit to the Clinica de Medellin, some crazy glue those flocking Federal Marshals could never tell themselves who I think they are am I....is...

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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RAAAY says on Apr 14, 2008, 20:26:

???????.......

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 14, 2008, 21:22:

i second that ?????

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 14, 2008, 21:26:

who is was you when they were looking for i am you?

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gringoloid says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:26:

Catfish, have you been partying with la Campania?

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:01:

is you was i just before me until i see for you to me i am you?

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:20:

I agree with robi666, it sounds like a dumb idea, you are left open to to many potential problems, many already stated.

Just pay the tax, it ain't that much if you are really into the item you want to bring into Colombia.

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vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:42:

yes but if your into your old used bike back home there is no legal way to bring it to your new home in colombia

listo

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:53:

vicshere,

I thought you could as long as you did the paperwork correctly and paid the taxs?

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:54:

No, Ctg, you cannot import used vehicles (well, you can import used vehicles of the current year). Just with a diplomatic spot.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:55:

robi666,

I have friends who have, I can't remember exactly how they did it, but there is a paper trail etc.

I also I think I have seen people post on here how to do it years ago.

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:56:

Yes? Are you sure? How?

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RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:59:

Ctg............It pains me to say this...........but Robi is correct. A used bike can only be brought in on a temp permit.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:00:

robi666,

I seem to recal from the conversation that bringing second hand vehicles in wasn't tax efficent due to the way that the tax was calculated, they would calculate the tax on the original price of the vehicle, even if the true price was half that, or something like that.

I have never owned a personnel vehicle, little interest in them, I use taxis as they are easier, I was just with some Colombian friends years ago and they were talking about it.

I just e-mailed my shipping manager, I will get back to the board when he replies, or PM you depending on what he says.

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:01:

Thanks!
I am sure that it is against the law, but, after all, Colombia is Colombia. :)
I know someone who could be overly interested in importing a used two wheeled twingo...

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:04:

robi666,

I just added a bit above that I recalled after your post.

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:06:

Could it be that they were importing a used vehicle declaring it new? I am curious to know what he will answer...

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:11:

robi666,

Certainly possible.

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gringoloid says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:17:

possible? but if it isn't and is illegal................more gibberish

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:42:

gringoloid,

So now you are posting insults in another thread interesting.

I am looking forward to your responce where you are threatening me another thread and thinking I won't turn up.

You are a weasel and I will be there, but I doubt you will, I normally work out for 2-2.5 hours a 5 times a week, I will do a 3 hour hard work out then we can meet, to give you a chance seeing as I am probably half your age.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:45:

robi666,

Just having a coffee I do seem to recall another friend saying that it couldn't be done legaly with second hand cars, I presume that includes motorbikes.

That friend imported used vehicles that were used in road building, which he said there was an exemption on.

But I will let you know what my shipping manager says as he will know.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:48:

but if you get an exemption for road building use I am sure you won´t get placas Colombianas...

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:50:

jonas,

Sorry I don't understand?

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:53:

if your friend got an exemption to import used vehicles I am sure he was only allowed to use them for a certain contract and did not get Colombian license plates.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:55:

they would be temporarily imported as machinery, not cars.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:59:

Jonas,

Possibly, but I doubt it would be temporary, it wouldn't be worth while bringing them in, but i expect they would have been imported under construction machinery heading.

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vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:24:

this subject has been beaten to death Colombia doesn't allowed used vehicles into Colombia plain and simple....I am sure there are illegal ways but I am interested like gringoloid in bring my bike here legal...even if i have to pay 200% tax.....back home my bike is only worth $500 at most

listo

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:43:

vicshere,

There is definetly illegal ways of doing anything here, its the norm.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:48:

robi666,

My shipping manager, plus another partner, who have 60 years of shipping experience between them say:

That legally you can only import new cars, you can buy new vehicle parts overseas to build a vehicle in Colombia then register it here, but not used vehicle parts.

I personnely would sort out in advance with the people you register the vehicle with then bring in the used parts if the bike meant that much to me.

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:55:

So, you cannot import used vehicle parts.
That's a point.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:55:

Gringoloid - sounds like you can accomplish what you have inquired about.

* I thought you were doing this as a "biz" venture, not just to bring in 1 bike.

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vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:56:

ok CT so say you were wrong and lets move on
why in the world would I buy new parts over seas to build a new car here that's the crazy crap i have heard all day

listo

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:58:

vicshere - how else would you build a custom bike? why are you talking about cars?

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:59:

"Gringoloid - sounds like you can accomplish what you have inquired about."

Tejas, how if he cannot bring in used parts?

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vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:02:

what's so hard to understand gringloid and I would like to bring our used bike into Colombia permanently..... I for one have had my bike for over 25 years.....if I could part it down and ship it to make it legal I would but it doesn't sound legal

listo

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:04:

No, it does not sound legal.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:06:

Now would it be possible to import:
a) new frame
b) new engine
then get all other parts (borrowed) from a Colombian bike
now register everything
then rebuild it with the parts we don´t want to ask where they come from.
???

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:11:

If I absolutely wanted my bike here, I'd just do what Ray is doing with his two wheeled Twingo: get it in on temp permit.
And then renew the permit, and then again.
And then... I would figure out something. It is Colombia.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:15:

robi - i thought he was gonna build a new bike here (frame off) and import all the parts - as in custom build.

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Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:19:

Buying a bike in the states for $8,000 usd, having it imported via boat, and paying taxes to make it legal cost_______?

Moment to moment living.

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Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:20:

Assuming the bike is of the same year I am importing it, which makes it legal, right.

Moment to moment living.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:26:

gringoloid - what the shell are you trying to do again? is this biz or pleasure? new or used?

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Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:31:

All the paper work could be falsified and they do make vin # stampers. not all bikes have big ass tags like above. I have known people that just shave off the old vin # then stamp the new one. Also if you import a bike that is only used on the race track you will never deal with the police. That is what some people do in the states. You can ride a stolen 20,000 usd bike and not get questioned as long as you aren't involved in an accident while transporting the bike on a truck. It will always be a risk though.

Moment to moment living.

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robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:34:

Tejas, he wants his old bike here. And he was thinking about breaking it in pieces, importing the pieces and rebuild and register the bike here.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:39:

ahhhh. ya veo. if the parts would come straight to your door (air freight), how would anybody know you are shipping used parts - atleast the small stuff?

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:43:

gringoloid - is this what you were talking about above? only with more rake?

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lpdiver says on Apr 15, 2008, 18:24:

Face plant coming...ouch!
t

"cook some rice!"

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Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:15:

Moment to moment living.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:04:

pretty cool, but those guys never last.

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lpdiver says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:04:

It's a movie trailer...he will last forever!

t

"cook some rice!"

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:06:

where is he? Sweden?

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:30:

signs appear to be english - maybe britain.

* i have a good friend that used to do that crap. now, he's paralyzed. the other good friend that used to do that crap is dead. he hit a parked car in miami doing 120 mph.

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Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:48:

They say is you respect the bike will respect you.

Mmmm, he is the Ghost Rider and has 4 films.

I've been 170mph and crashed ging 80mph.

I became unconcious on the bike , and woke up the next day nearly killing myself.

It has been a little over 4 years...I'll be back if you guys are interested in knowing what happened .

k bye

Moment to moment living.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:52:

gringoloid has left the building....

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:57:

ain´t in the UK, they drive on the left. And I don´t see it raining ;-)

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 16, 2008, 00:42:

That ghost rider guy does his videos in Sweden I believe.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:12:

you can bring anything you want to colombia via freight, I had a friend years ago in buga north valle, he brought over a very strange cargo, a rare collection of telephones but many many telephones it was his childhood dream , hundreds upon hundreds of english telephones and a VW beetle

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vicshere says on Apr 16, 2008, 04:37:

here's a good comparison
used phones and used bikes
maybe if I bring enough phones I can make them into a bike
now as for the VW lets have the details and do tell its here legal like

listo

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gringoloid says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:29:

sorry I had to leave, especially at the part where captain ctg gibberish was calling his shipper to import used motos.

Vic wants to bring his bike from the states in whole or in parts. So, i don't think it can be done legally, costwise. (why would he use a diplomatic spot). Vic was correct, .......................ctg gibberish, you were wrong.

TJ, ......I would bring in whatever parts new to make it legal, and then the reconditioned. Guys build bikes like this all the time and call them new. The very nature of fabricating is taking something that is already made and altering it, so it is possible that bike builders in colombia are building a bike more or less 50% used.

I can take you to a PBHer's auto manufacturing business where he fabricates where needed, used/new where needed, etc., and then ships them out.

Also, using a little bit of la campinias philosophy, that you can get around bureaucracies quite easily in this country.....i think you could get a vin that would make it totally legal. You could chrome it up a little and it would look showcase.

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gringoloid says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:35:

ctg gibberish......."You are a weasel and I will be there, but I doubt you will, I normally work out for 2-2.5 hours a 5 times a week, I will do a 3 hour hard work out then we can meet, to give you a chance seeing as I am probably half your age."

______________________________________________________________

quit threatening me from behind a keyboard..........give me your name, address, and phone number on private mail.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 10:38:

gringoloid,

Again you are trying to bring your problems into a third thread where I am not addressing things to you, presuming you have posted the above in the thread, I will reply there when I get to it.

As to the information the shipping manager said, I presume you don't believe it, thats up to you, but to me the logical thing to do would be to ask somebody in the know with regards this threads topic, I expect they didn't teach that on you MBA course.

Also many posters here pointed out (myself included) that many things in Colombia are not done strictly legal, as many other places in the world.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 11:24:

gringoloid,

I have replied in second thread to your threats, where you originally started them:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/1-usd--179495-cop/

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vicshere says on Apr 18, 2008, 11:33:

gringoloid says on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 14:17:

possible? but if it isn't and is illegal................more gibberish

Ctg Bound says on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 14:42:

gringoloid,

So now you are posting insults in another thread interesting.

I am looking forward to your responce where you are threatening me another thread and thinking I won't turn up.

You are a weasel and I will be there, but I doubt you will, I normally work out for 2-2.5 hours a 5 times a week, I will do a 3 hour hard work out then we can meet, to give you a chance seeing as I am probably half your age.

gibberish= Unintelligible talking

I agree with gringoloid.....what you were saying was Unintelligible talking...maybe I am threatening you too...sound like you should use the dictionary before you accuse someone
secondly your the one that name called and threatened gringloid

listo

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 11:41:

vicshere,

No you are not threatening me, as I stated after the post what robi666 said made sense where they were bringing in used vehicles and declaring them new.

But gringoloid on another thread (No. 2 below) threatened me, I am afraid that you should go and look at the threads in question to see who started what:

No .1:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/latin-american-nations-given-ale...

No. 2:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/1-usd--179495-cop/

No. 3

This one, where you have already posted gringoloid first go on this thread:

gringoloid says on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 14:17:

possible? but if it isn't and is illegal................more gibberish

We had been told by Desi to quit the name calling, he then comes on this thread and starts it here (above), then expects me not to respond, the statement that says it all is:

"Desi, ........he is stalking me,"

Yet he his after my telphone number & address.

Although in all three threads I am only responding to posts that he addresses to me, not the other way around, the guy is a joke.

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gringoloid says on Apr 18, 2008, 12:13:

gibberish is a term that you invented and used quite a lot. it is accepted here to describe meaningless, unintellible verbiage and is not name calling. i like your invention and it is a fitting, accurate description of the content behind your posts. if it was good enough for GIB than it is good enough for you.

you've edited your comments, ....now you came over here to wreck this thread where it may be deleted. you're the joke.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 12:30:

gringoloid,

I ONLY EDIT COMMENTS JUST AFTER I POST THEM, as stated, again you are posting in this thread, the third one, I posted above in the original thread where you went loco that I would address your comments, I am waiting:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/latin-american-nations-given-ale...

Opps that was the original thread, I meant this thread, where you moved your problems onto:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/1-usd--179495-cop/

A bit from that thread:

.....You wrote two words, then claimed I was threatening you, from those two words "getting me.............." then claiming I was threatening you.

THERE HAS BEEN NO EDITS of any threats, I only edit my posts just after posting them, you have been cutting and pasting parts of my posts, why didn't you cut and paste the so called threat, instead of just the two words?

That fact is that I actually stated that I would prefer you to stay in Bogota and not move to Medellin, for reasons I have already stated, so I am not sure how that fits in with threatening you..........................

In that thread you also state:

"Desi, ........he is stalking me,"

Says it all nutter, I can reply with like, if you don't want me to reply don't post, simple, for most people at least.

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 12:36:

gringoloid,

When I say don't post, I mean don't post addressing me, not posting in general.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 18, 2008, 12:37:

guys - who cares? chill. next topic....

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 12:43:

tejasmarcos,

I tend to agree, as I have indicated several times.

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gringoloid says on Apr 18, 2008, 14:43:

"Says it all nutter, I can reply with like, if you don't want me to reply don't post, simple, for most people at least."

I only reply when it is necessary to point out gibberish, which is not name calling. you however, with the support of a mod go on namecalling all you want. i get warnings on private mail to stop or that i assume mean my account would be deleted.

here is more gibberish below......well no kidding, you edit your posts after you post them............unbelievable

"I only edit my posts just after posting them"

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Ctg Bound says on Apr 18, 2008, 14:54:

gringoloid,

"I only edit my posts just after posting them"

Not sure how it can be called gibberish, quite a simple statement again, like the one I made where you went off the deep end.

From thread No.2:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/1-usd--179495-cop/

"....but I estimate that about 20 times over the years I have lost posts that I was writing due to power outages, so if I am writing anything other than a quick reply I like to post it out although it may not be finished."

To add to that, I finish it quickly, as I write quite quick, the editing time from the original post is normally just a few minutes or so to ten minutes.

Look I just wrote a post without calling you name, shame you can't do it, but then you are not the sort of person who can do that, I have PMed you by the way for the meet, plus a few others, so you can't try and run from it.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 18, 2008, 14:54:

Yes, the clip with Ghost Rider has been filmed in Sweden. The road signs are from Stockholm area.

Ctg. Bound... *Loid...just ignore each other.
I'm getting bored of having to babysit you two.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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