Amazing Video of Girl Stopping Israel Firing At Children

Lcacique says on Jan 6, 2009, 23:38:

Don't take your head off to her, take your hat off...it is a lot less messy. Besides, I doubt she would want you to do such a thing. Nevertheless, I agree that she is one hell of a brave soul.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 7, 2009, 13:53:

that fuckin night mare attrocity in gaza. 8 israelis dead...600 palestinians dead. you figure.

and no country has the nuts to tell israel to eat shit. especially the big bad u.s of a. we support a fricken war monger. can't wait til obama takes office and turns this 'cowardice faucet' off. he's biting his tongue right now, but once he's in office, this shit will stop.

because some of the hamas guys hid in a mosque...they blew up the mosque with parishoners inside....same thing with a grade school a u.n. school. it's no fuckin wonder half the world hates israel. they're bullies.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lcacique says on Jan 7, 2009, 14:11:

Well, I don't really think Obama will turn it off, but hopefully we will change our relationship with the entire region. There is plenty of room for improvement.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 7, 2009, 14:17:

billyb says on Jan 7, 2009, 14:57:

Doug, and who will make Hamas stop firing rockets indiscrimanetly at Israeli cities? Or should Israel be the only one to lay down its weapons?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 1 helpful.

vladimiro says on Jan 7, 2009, 15:27:

Something horrible has been discovered. They forced 100 palistinian civilians inclluding children into a building then bombed it. 60 bodies found so far....

The rockets are not harmful militarily but attack the achiles heel of the zionist state: immigration.

half of american zionists have left israel, russian and other zionists are leaving too

.... and birth rates are too low for zionism to survive without immigration and colonizatio

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 7, 2009, 19:08:

i am no zionist, nor supporter of islamic terrorism.

the palestinians have been robbed of their lands, denied access to the world economy, and pushed into a corner that has caused 1.5 billion muslims to side with them. and they're really pissed. especially since this genocide is front page around the world 24/7.

the backlash from this will set off by a factor of a hundred, any supposed feelings of security the israelis think they're securing by this atrocity they and many others will pay a terrorism price no one wants to think about. the shit's gonna hit the fan...soon.

if we thought islamo terrorism was out of hand before, hold on to your drawers, cause europe, the americas and india and africa are gonna pay dearly for this arrogant stupidity. mark my words.

and as for your defense, billy....these miserable missles have only killed about 20-30 people over the years. they (israel) killed more than 50 children in the u.n. school alone. remember, i'm not politically aligned with either side....my side is humanity's

i first worked in gaza in the early 70's and trust me, even then, the israeli presence and persecution was horrible. now, 40 yrs later it's become a middle eastern 'darfur'. and we, the u.s., are equally to blame. the u.s. power brokers have time and again, made excuses for the israelis instead of looking at why the muslims are so pissed. pity

douglas

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 8, 2009, 06:39:

"and as for your defense, billy....these miserable missles have only killed about 20-30 people over the yea"

The fact that the Palestinians are incompetent when it comes to the art of war (terrorism in their case) and cannot hit the broadside of a barn at 20 feet with their missiles, doesn't lessen their evil intent. They have fired over 3000 missiles, purposely aimed at Israeli civilians, and if they had hit theit intended targets, you would have had tens of thousands of Israeli civilian deaths. So please Doug, that excuse holds no water.


"hey (israel) killed more than 50 children in the u.n. school alone."

That is just not true (besides the number being 40), they were not children, they were mostly adults sheltering at the school, a school from which cowardly Hamas was firing mortars from with the express purpose of inciting return fire in the hopes that precisely what happened would happen. Hamas doesn't care about those deaths, they only care about the propaganda value those deaths afforded them. Doug, we expect Vlad to be the official Minister of Disinformation for various terrorist groups here on PBH, but expect more accuracy from you.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 8, 2009, 09:57:

I would not say Israelis are any better at shooting than Palestinians, or are they?

http://www.gtr5.com/

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Despite_6_warnings_Israel_bombed_and_kille...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

vladimiro says on Jan 8, 2009, 15:37:

Today, 20% of israeli citizens are arab...that's not including palestinians

israeli arab pop is fast outgrowing jewish pop

Within 20 years israel will be just another arab country with a minority jewish population

The rockets only hasten the inevitable by pressuring immigration(not many move to war zones)

Google israel demographics

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 8, 2009, 20:02:

So let me get this straight GL, there is no "real' Hamas, and Isreal is playing both roles? They are shooting missiles at their own cities, missing on purpose of course, and then using that as an excuse to annihilate the poor peace loving Palestinians? Clever little bastards, those Jews.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 9, 2009, 00:31:

In many ways Israel is a sorry place and one for which I feel little instinctive sympathy. Creepy weirdos from Brooklyn and thugs from Moscow pushing people about is a galling image in anyone's book. However, the hard, dispassionate fact is that groups such Hamas and Hezbollah (and their Leftist fellow travellers) want to kill Jews. Any study of their ghastly rhetoric shows that they're not simply exercised about issues of nationhood and 'Zionism': they're motivated by something far more visceral and atavistic. To avoid another Holocaust, therefore, the Jews have every right to defend themselves. Which is what they're doing in the Middle East right now.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 9, 2009, 05:34:

well, billy...i guess you failed to watch the funeral--all over the world news, fox incl--of the children in the un school.

too, the israeli defense minister stated, himself, that the morter fire DID NOT come from the school and on a clarifying note. threre have been 6000 missle launches over the years...the body count hasn't changed.

the body count in this current conflagration is 750 plus palestinians. i find it difficult on humanitarian grounds to defend this. again, i'm neither zionist nor islamist. i'm a humanist. and by the way, i've worked in both israel and gaza and the truth is wide of the publicity.

there's one and only one solution to this issue. and this pertains to both sides. forget the one upmans ship and eye for and eye bullshit. they just need to get totally fucking tired of the death and distruction and STOP THE FUCKIN KILLING. without giving up by giving in, both sides, this shit will continue ad nauseum. we'll be able to pass the news cast on to our grandchildren and they to theirs.

forget about which side you think you're on, think about life and it's preservation. this will not come about by more shelling and killing. i can't think of too many mothers in this world who would rather bury their children than nurse and raise them. this brings to mind the wife of a former canadian pm who stated that if politics were in the hands of women, the killing world wide would come to a screeching halt. women are simply more 'life' oriented, while men are clearly ego and power driven...much to my and millions of others chagrin.

you are free to wave what ever flag you choose and bang your drum for whatever cause you thing appropriate; but at the end of the day, if all that cacaphony didn't bring about change, what do you do next? rush and o'reilley damn sure don't have any answers...not a fuckin one, they and their ilk--rove (dr strangelove)--are mongers and will never be anything else.

so i suggest that we appeal to a higher side of human nature and seek PEACE, NOT WAR.

the latter has proven over the last 60,000 years to be untenable and hasn't done the trick yet. we have folks killed in the name of GOD, the right, the left, the church, the union, race and on and on and on. but where's the peace? when i turn on the news, i see woman who have been repeatedly raped, their children either dead or starving, their homes and lives destroyed with NO HOPE of anything else. i simply can't believe that this solution bares your vote. i hold you in higher respect.

douglas

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 06:00:

Hey, I don't have a dog in this fight and, like you Doug, wish they would stop killing each other (not going to happen any time soon). And I agree with Kalder that some (many) Israelis can be insufferable pricks, but like him I believe that those groups main purpose is to finish Hitler's work, so I don't blame Israel for doing whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't happen. Any nation in the world would do the same. And if it is 6000 missiles and not 3000, that just means that the Palestinians are TWICE as incompetent as I previously game them credit for, but think for a moment Doug about how many Israeli civilians the Palestinians intended to kill by lobbing 6000 rockets into urban areas.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 9, 2009, 08:12:

That's a grotesquely patronising remark. 'Read some books'. What, are we back in the playground now?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 9, 2009, 08:37:

gringo is on track here. the palestinians are between a rock and a hard place. if i can muster sympathy for either side, it's gonna fall on the palestinian side. they had their lands taken away...(nice brit plan)..now i don't know how many millions are in refugee camps in jordan, syria, lebanon and egypt....when they lash out at the israelis out of clearly understandable frustration, what can they do? zip. those missles are made with salt peter, charcoal and the most primative materials imaginable...more power to them. too bad a few more didn't hit a target. not that i'm voting for anger and killing, it's just that the jews started this. and they express absolutely no heart. no compassion and no sympathy. living and working their, i found so damn many of them to just be arogant pricks. they need to remember the story of david and goliath....this time the tables are turned and they have enraged the entire world with this travesty. i don't care if the palestinians sent 100,000 missles into israel. they are a tortured, enslaved, disengranchised people and israel is going to pay dearly for this atrocity. sit back and watch the show.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 9, 2009, 10:36:

you got the fox news thing right gringo...for the most part, they suck. who's their favorite guest? none other than dr. strangelove. or snippets from bill o'reilley/limbaugh.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 9, 2009, 12:08:

My saying the Israelis are defending themselves is 'so far from the truth...'?

How?

And really, in all sincerity, do you think that I don't read books? And that I gain my knowledge of world events from a TV station which doesn't broadcast in the UK?

No, don't bother to answer that, because I'm quite sure that you don't.

It's a rhetorical device. In sorry lieu of reasoned debate.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 12:09:

You can't have a serious discussion with GL, as everything you've ever heard, ever read, even seen, when it comes to history or current events is either a lie or a jewish conspiracy and only he and a few CHOSEN others know the real truth about everything, and that he doesn't know, therefore doesn't exist. GL, when does your tome about the history of the world according to you come out? BTW, Kalder, it has become a tired tactic of those too lazy or lacking a real argument to throw out the pathetic Fox news comment to try to discredit something they can't otherwise discredit.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 9, 2009, 12:15:

I think you're right Billy.

Have a good weekend mate. I'm off back to my dinner.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

vladimiro says on Jan 9, 2009, 12:42:

Its true that hamas has performed poorly so far though that may improve if they can sucker israel into moving deeper into the city rather than staying on the outskirts

That they are able to smuggle (with bribes and tunnels) thousands of long range grad misssiles which are extremely effective politically if not militarily, is a new achievement.

I can only guess why iran has not provided the laser guided anti tank missiles which forced israel out of lebanon, but it must be a dissappointment for iran in any case that hamas has not performed better.

hamas is no hezbollah....yet

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 9, 2009, 13:41:

i think they should all (israelis and arabs) drop a couple of caps of sandoz acid, kick back for 24 hrs and rethink their whole damn strategy. they'ld all decide to give up this killing shit.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 9, 2009, 13:42:

brother kalder...."i'm off back to my dinner" ?? please clarify the meaning.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 18:33:

GL, tell me, do you think Israel has a right to exist where it is currently located? A simple yes or no will suffice. I already know vlad's answer. BTW, can we play a drinking game? Everybody downs a shot of tequila every time GL uses Fox news as his retort to an argument. Before the truce ended Hamas' leader said that they would not renew it and even started firing rockets at Israel before it officially ended. GL, you need to get another source besides Al-Jazeera for your Mideast news.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 18:35:

"The problem you first have to know what a fact is........and you brother, do not know that."

To paraphrase the late great Senator Lloyd Bentsen, I know facts, facts are good friends of mine, and you sir, have no facts.

An example of that is.

"The reason you can't have a serious discussion with me is because your story along with most of your other stories is nothing but religion,"

Anybody that has read any of my posts on religion, or anybody that knows me, knows that I am about as anti organized religion as anyone gets (I have no problem with anyone's private faith or beliefs), so I don't understand your need to say something you either don't know to be true, or are purposefully being deceitful about.

I should clarify that when I say organized religion, I mean the intolerant ones (hhmmm, like islam, just to name one of the top off my head, and yes hardline jews and christians are just as bad,..... almost), as there are many that believe in the mantra of live and let live.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:02:

"let's play a drinking game.....everytime billy provides some Fox News misinformation, no information, or his typical BS, then we all take a shot of tequila."

I'll play, but we'll have a better time with your Fox game, more action. So, what is your answer? yes, or no? Does Israel have a right to exist within its pre '67 borders? BTW, everybody needs to down a shot.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:11:

"Hamas renounces cease-fire with Israel
The Associated Press
Published: December 19, 2008

JERUSALEM: Hamas formally announced the end of its unwritten, often-breached truce with Israel on Friday as Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip fired four more rockets into southern Israel."

So 'Loid, answer the question, does it have a right to exist? BTW, please mention Fox again in your next post, I need another shot.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:15:

"billy...........is an economic embargo an act of war?"

What does Hamas' founding chapter expressly call for? Could it be the destruction of Israel? And Israel is supposed to help them out? Let them get their shit through Egypt, oh that's right, they want nothing to do with Hamas either.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:33:

"billy, does every, or most, gazans say that hamas represents them?"

They elected them did they not? Are we to take your reluctance to answer, as a no?

"There was no immediate Israeli comment about the Hamas announcement that it would not extend the cease-fire past its end Friday. Israel said previously that the six-month-old truce, brokered by Egypt, did not have an official expiration date and that the government was interested in prolonging "understandings" with Hamas...."

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

goin_south says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:41:

I admire the girl's voracity, but..... I don't admire the fact that Hamas kept firing missles to Israel.... and, I do think.... Well, who really cares what I think?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:43:

Why, I do.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

1 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 21:50:

Unlike the girl in the video, the "original" in China did not live long to tell about it.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 9, 2009, 22:15:

Good night loid. BTW, that's the girl in the video I was referring to, as in the OP.



"go ahead, lets hear it , sing it out billy.........'my source is not from Fox News.'

Thanks, I needed another shot.



"Are we to take your reluctance to answer, as you're full of shit?"

Now that you are part of the PBH ruling junta (yes, you have become that which you always railed against, THE MAN, LOL), don't you have an obligation to be more courteous to your fellow members?



"have another drink.......billy gets his facts wrong again. about 40% of gazans voted for Hamas."


"Tuesday, January 26, 2006
Palestinian Flag.
Electoral divisions in Palestine

This morning, Hamas leaders announced that they had an "outright majority" in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council. "Hamas has won more than 70 seats in Gaza and the West Bank, which gives it more than 50 percent of the vote," said Ismail Haniyeh, a leader of Hamas........."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wins_Palestinian_election


Hmmm, and what is this? 'loid, I like you so i don't blame you for not wanting to keep it up, being wrong so often must suck..



And you still have not said whether you think Israel has a right to exist.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 10, 2009, 05:18:

brothers! brothers! fuck all this tit for tat and who said what on what channel. people are dying...100's of them. while we're here involved in nonsense and lucha. FOR GOD'S SAKE, turn our attention to the reality of issue.

what can WE do to turn this 'eye for an eye' quagmire around and bring peace to the waters?

as i noted in another thread, things only ever happen by works, not words.

all of us are valuable and everyone's energy is needed to stop this horror. please, all of us, be solutional, not confrontational.

douglas

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

vladimiro says on Jan 10, 2009, 07:18:

Thats like asking if south africa has a right to exist, ofcoarse but aparthied does not.

if all palestinians could have the right to vote in israeli elections you would have an arab country with a jewish minority

only through racism can you have a jewish ruled country in arabia

its very similar to aparthied in s africa and will eventually follow the same fate i think...a peaceful transition to arab rule

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 17:58:

So vlad, you have no problem with Israel existing, as long as it is controlled by arabs and called Palestine and all the jews are dead or gone? LOL. BTW, don't worry Doug, Gringoloid and I will argue like this now and then, but we get along well otherwise, at least I think we do.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 10, 2009, 18:17:

yo billy....i don't doubt that for a minute...however, the atrocity going on now is untenable, those are real folks dying, like darfur and zimbabwe, and dr congo, etc. when is enough enough? it's like rodney king said, "can't we all just get along?" doesn't seem like it. some times i think my friends are gonna go fistacuffs here. how can we solve anything out there in the solid world if we can't be peaceful and constructive here in cyberspace?

d

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 18:43:

Doug, I agree, but my whole point from the beginning was that both sides need to stop the violence, not just Israel, as some (not you) would have it. Life is too short for people to waste it like that, but I am afraid that after 5000 years or so of internecine warfare there, nothing will change any time soon. One good sign of progress would be for Hamas to drop the need to destroy Israel and drive the jews into the sea from its charter.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 19:19:

"At least you're consistent. If it's not Fox News then it's a brother of Fox News."

Hold on, I have to rush to the store and pick up some more tequilla, as it looks like I owe two shots;)

".the mods would really rather see adults being adults and i really don't want to make any extra work for them."

For as long as we argued, I think we kept it relatively civil and stuck to the points, with some light heartness on side.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 19:40:

"now i said this is your chance to be great and not act like a fox news religionist."

Ok I have some more tequilla ready, so here goes three shots in a row.



No worries GL, I am watching Az kick Carolina's ass, so I can't really get into it right now either, so what you say we pick up where we left off on Monday?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

goin_south says on Jan 10, 2009, 19:47:

gringoloid, check yer pm, what ever it is.
una mensaje muy pronto.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 19:47:

"the fact is, if all jews disappeared tomorrow, the fight would still be there between the islamic states and the west."

Or forget the west and Israel, they fight enough amongst themselves, that they don't need the west or Israel to kick their ass. I would venture to say that a hundred times more Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims in the last hundred and fifty years than have been killed by Israel and all the western powers put together. We can start with the million plus killed in the Iran-Iraq war. Then we can move on to the 100,000 plus killed in secterian violence in Iraq, not to mention the 300,000 plus Iraqis that Saddam had killed, and I'll let you tell us how many were killed in the wars between the Arabs and the Ottoman empire until its expiration at the end of WWI. Oh yes, and then there is the 100,000 or so killed in (muslim) indonesia by Suharto and Suhkarno supporters, and then there is the Turks and the Kurds, another 30,000 or so, or the 20,000 killed in the city of Hama by Syrian strongman Hafez Assad in his attempt to put down The Muslim Brotherhood (the Egyptian branch of which was the actual incubator and inspiration for Hamas, and not the Mossad, as you would like to have us believe). Please make me stop, because there is no end to muslim on muslim massacres.. Hmmm, i'm going to have to up that to 150 to 1, Now that I think of it.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 20:22:

"hey billy, check it out......look who predicted some kind of military action in the middle east just by noting that there were five holocaust movies out at the same time:"

Amazing, so can we also predict the next war by who wins best picture in the Golden Globes, or the Oscars? And if there are five movies having to do with stock brokers will that mean that we are facing a bull market?

"wrong country, but i knew something was going to be happening"

ok, maybe not on the Dow, but maybe on the Nikkei?

"when you going to admit that i'm better than Fox News?"

Never, otherwise i will have to stop downing tequilla shots, and please don't do that to me ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 10, 2009, 21:12:

"In any six month period, anyone can predict that there will be some kind of military action in the Middle East and they will be correct."

jajja, true, Gl should be embarrassed to even try to take credit for that. I would have been more impressed if had predicted a 6 month period when some group or other was not getting their ass massacred in the Middle east.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 11, 2009, 05:35:

YAWN................

look, i don't care on whose side, who is. take off all their clothes and they're just folks, killing each other for absolutely nothing. no gain and complete loss.

on the bbc this a.m. the jews in london are demonstrating against israel in this quagmire. you figure. maybe because they're trying to deflect the inevitable fall out that's coming down the pike. the shit's gonna hit the fan all over the world now, from siberia to tierra del fuego and from san francisco to india. all this pent up 'which side are you on'...for your own health, don't answer that.

life's far more wonder-full when the fighting stops and the lovin and livin start. don't you think?

whether it's in your house, your bedroom, the street or anyplace in the world. things are just better when there's peace.

ditto that.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

vladimiro says on Jan 11, 2009, 09:10:

only 3 likely outcomes longterm:

1. foriegn colonialists are thrown out like the french were in algeria

2. like blacks in south africa palestinians are given the right to vote in israeli elextions and due to thier greater population jews become a minority (an extrememly powerful minority likes whites in s africa) in israel/palestine

3. like indians in USA palestinians are ethnically cleansed

two state solution is no longer an option, so what you have are the beginnings of aparthied which will result eventually in one of the above 3 outcomes.

lets hope the south african model where blacks and whites now live together peacefully in one country succeeds

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 11, 2009, 13:53:

Billy and Mongo- glad to see you're still flying the banner of reason.

Doug- 'going back to my dinner' means returning to my evening meal. There was half a bottle of red and a couple of bread rolls left to go.

Your "on the bbc this a.m. the jews in london are demonstrating against israel in this quagmire" is not actually the case. A tiny minority are; but in the main, London Jewry is turning out en masse for the pro-Israel demonstrations.
Incidentally, I found myself caught up in a mob of lefties and muslims on their way to a demonstration yesterday. The atmosphere was hateful- a cloying fusion of smugness and bloodlust. I imagine the Nuremberg Rally having a similar ambience. I think the Israelis are both wrong and stupid to rely on firepower to solve all their problems; but I don't want to see them exterminated. And if that pack of gleeful haters I met yesterday are anything to go by, there's no shortage of people who'd be queuing up for it.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 11, 2009, 16:34:

on that last note, kalder, i'm with you. i don't want to see any one/side perish or suffer. i would like us to coexist and prosper in a happy/healthy fashion. it's the haters who fan the flames. i found vlads post on touching videos very lucid and helpful. hope all take the time to watch them.

i never gave much thought to the difference between zionism and judism. but seeing the video with the chassadim with amedinajad was illuminating.

d

patriarch

0 funny, 1 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 12, 2009, 06:32:

"billy, do the palestinians have a right to exist with their own land and their own govt?"

YES. Gringoloid, see how easy it is to give a straightforward and honest answer? You should give it a try sometime.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 06:55:

for a moment, i thought this morning would never get started. finally, we're off and running.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 06:56:

a brief glimpse at vlad's 'touching videos' should clear the air for anyone in the dark.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 07:41:

one of these days, brothers, we're all gonna sit down together and have a beer or coffee or what ever, and lo and behold, you'll realize how similar you are, you both eat, shit and scratch your ass the same. damn, why so much lucha? we all--not just you two--know that the situation in gaza and with the plight of the palestininans in general is un tenable and that israel needs to fricken lighten up and allow those people to have a life. that ain't rocket science, it's visable to the common eye. and if folks can't see it, they're just lyin to themselves and have no heart for humanity.

douglas

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 12, 2009, 10:02:

Read a book? Any particular tome from left-field conspiracy theorists in mind?

Or are you just being rude?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 11:15:

and our loving patronage...the good ole u.s.a. does nothing. pity. my own countrymen..

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 11:18:

gringo....when i was at berkeley, there was this liberal fomenter, mario savio. he died a few years back. you remind me of mario.

when he died, it was revealed that all the while, he was a catholic priest. interesting. kind of the che gueverra of the vatican.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 12, 2009, 13:00:

I said left-FIELD old chap, not left-wing.

I'm quite sure your beguilement by the siren call of some 'national revolutionary', right radical gubbins is thorough enough.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 12, 2009, 13:45:

GL, all the other non-sense you have posted on this thread is just cover for your real point, which is: you hate jews, which in your paralyzing conspiracy theory laden paranoia, think they are at the source of all evil and you probably think they should cease to exist, am I wrong?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:06:

you brothers are too much. it ain't about jews....it's about israel and the two are NOT synonomous.

damn, we're on the good ship lollipop and were all in this together, sure wish we could head for a friendly port and not tussle with each other on the way.

i mentioned mario savio...actually a great guy, albiet radical, because he, like myself would not hold the normal thread of editorial out of fox any higher than i and apparently you.

d

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 13, 2009, 00:31:

"the group that i belong to now.......and the man that is my mentor........is A JEW!"

Jesus?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 13, 2009, 04:38:

GL and his Jewish group (inc. mentor):

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 13, 2009, 06:31:

Gl, you are a joke, jajaja, when we were kids the one thing that would get my dad mad was if we ever bragged, he said it was a sign of weakness, and as Brit he thought it was also poor form, Every time somebody has a need to brag to impress you, you own another little piece of them. Loid, here is some advice, if you are that smart, that rich or that tough, it is readily apparent, if you have to constantly tell them, you aren't.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 09:49:

Israel,has been doing this for more than 50 years ,
Ever since the British fucked the Palestinians,by letting just 30.000 at the time move out over 1 million ,then that went to 300.000,and 3 million got moved ,
They took the top end where the land was better for produce ,
And year by year just took more land ,

They do this only with the help of the USA ,
They were set to let France give them nuclear,until the USA saw money to be made and they took over ,
Now pump in 3 billion of your tax dollars every year.

Had the USA opened it doors and let the ones from Germany in ,thousands could have been saved ,but they never took them ,Canada and even oz took in more than the USA .

Its sticks and sling shot against bullets and bombs ,sea blocked boarders blocked ,roads blocked ,
No water ,no food ,no medicine ,and you wonder why they blow them self's up ,
Palestinians children worth less than an Israeli child .

And put your hand on your heart and ask your self ,for more than 50 years they have had this shit day in day out ,
And tell me you would not be fighting for your own land ,doing just what they can ,with what ever they can .

May be the Germans were right all along ,
May be its time to light the ovens back up .

Which ever way you look at it ,from which ever side ,

The Israelis are guilty of crimes against humanity full stop.

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 13, 2009, 12:16:

"May be the Germans were right all along ,
May be its time to light the ovens back up ."

If you wait long enough, you always seem to get a remark like that from the Israel-haters.

Odd that.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 15:02:

there is a big different with zionists and with jews ,learn it ,
if i say i hate nazi is that all the German people ,
if i hate bush and the USA white house is that hating USA people .

Israel is guilty ,end of.

look at my posts ,i put up photos when i was there in 72 ,photos of USA tanks being unloaded off ships ,
you been there ,no ,carry on listen to shit like fox tv.

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 15:09:

I work with the Jewish community here in Bogota ,

The Rabbi sells me all the skins after the cutting ,
Which I then use to make magic wallets ,

Why magic ,well when you rub them they turn into a suit case .

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 15:13:

Israel is widely believed to be the sixth country in the world to develop nuclear weapons[3] and to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the others being India, Pakistan and North Korea.[4] International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regards Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons[5], but Israel maintains a policy known as "nuclear ambiguity" (also known as "nuclear opacity"). Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguous whether it means it will not create or will not use the weapons.

Israel began investigating the nuclear field just one year after its 1948 founding and with French support secretly began building a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s. Although Israel first built a nuclear weapon in 1967-68 it was not publicly confirmed from the inside until Mordechai Vanunu, a former Israeli nuclear technician, revealed details of the program to the British press in 1986. Israel is currently believed to possess between 75 and 200 nuclear warheads with the ability to deliver them by ground, aircraft, and submarine.[1]

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 18:19:

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 19:45:

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 00:30:

"there is a big different with zionists and with jews ,learn it ,"

So your "May be the Germans were right all along ,
May be its time to light the ovens back up" isn't a reference to the Holocaust then?

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 14, 2009, 05:02:

no ,
the ovens were for cremating the dead.

the so called holocaust which you don't understand were gas powered showers.

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 14, 2009, 09:21:

jaja, unlike you obviuously have, I have not faced any problems, hardships or persecution in my life, thus unlike you, I don't suffer from paranoia, insecurity complexes or, most glaringly of all, DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR. BTW, a little originality in your comebacks would be a nice touch as well, and when I "percieve" somebody to have more than I, somehow, and sadly for you, you never come to mind (I think this fits neatly under your delusions of grandeur). I'll catch you on another thread as this one seems to have run its course as the anti-isrealites on here are now calling for germany to fire up its ovens (if somebody was calling for putting palis into ovens, I'm sure desi would have locked this one up for hate speech a long time ago,hmmm, I wonder what's the diff?, Oh I think I know now). And you wonder why Israel reacts so strongly when its security is endeangered? jaja, too much.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

manINred says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:37:

I agree with billyb and kalder. Sorry, but what is Israel supposed to do? Yes, they perhaps can be more measured in their response, but that doesn't stop the fact that palestinians and surrounding countries want to wipe out Israel, and actively pursue that goal.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 14, 2009, 10:59:

"Had the USA opened it doors and let the ones from Germany in ,thousands could have been saved ,but they never took them"

Yep, few Americans know that. Here is one of the sadest stories:

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/st-louis.html

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 12:09:

You've got one Jew-baiter saying the Jews should be sent back to the ovens, while the other one's saying there weren't any ovens in the first place.

You could laugh if the subject matter wasn't so tragic....

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 14, 2009, 12:16:

And Billy's point about locked threads and hate speech is a pertinent one. If some poor bloke had said something like 'all gringas are ugly', you'd almost hear the sirens going off and tyres squealing as the Lockdown Squad swung into action.

Eerie silence when it comes to the Jews however.

Funny that.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 14, 2009, 12:32:

OK, now boys and girls time for a cease fire on this thread…

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 14, 2009, 16:34:

precious LORD......if it could only be that all this banter and tit for tat changed something. alas and along, it hasn't not one fuckin iota.

as of about two hours ago, the body count was approaching 1,100 palestinians and about 20 israelis.

what part of genocide are we missing? sitting here arguing all this bullshit and opinion while all these folks are dying for nothing.

the un observers told bbc that over half were civilians and mostly women and children. and those mierda eating israeli soldiers aren't done yet. no wonder tha hassidim denounces them.

d

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 14, 2009, 18:57:

It's simple, Hamas can just agree to stop firing rockets at Israeli cities and it would end tomorrow, but dead bodies serve their propaganda purposes just fine ( a lot more than their fighting ability, or lack there off, serves it) , so they have no incentive to stop. And they can always count on what Stalin used to call their "useful idiots" to swallow and spread their propaganda.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 14, 2009, 18:58:

"billy, getting back to the issue at hand........and i wish we could get to that without all the namecalling.......btw, you would agree with that wouldn't you?'

I didn't see this before my last post, but I'm all for that.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 15, 2009, 06:48:

Comments by gringoloid on this thread, judge for yourself if he contradicts himself, makes things up to help bolster weak arguments or is just so full of BS that he confuses nobody but himself.

".billy gets his facts wrong again. about 40% of gazans voted for Hamas."

then later he posts

"I said what? 45%, off the top of my head? You say 50%? So what's the difference?

Notice that he starts backtracking and tries to up his number to 45% to bring it in line to what I posted the election election results were. But more importantly, he admits that he made the original number up and just pulled it out of his ass. Then he posts the following.

"Hamas never ran for the election..."

So GL, what is it? 40%, 45% or they never ran for election? Hmmmm, if they didn't run for election, how do you get those numbers? Or is your web of un-truths confusing you? Keep on posting BS and I'll keep on calling you out.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

dwmte7 says on Jan 15, 2009, 08:37:

brothers, all this and the folks are still dying.

patriarch

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 15, 2009, 08:59:

Who and what is Hamas?

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 15, 2009, 13:22:

UN outraged after Israel shells its aid compound

Israeli forces shelled areas deep inside Gaza City on Thursday, hitting the headquarters of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and wounding at least three people among the hundreds taking shelter in the compound, UN officials and witnesses said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/15/mideast/mideast.php

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 15, 2009, 15:34:

The problem that is deveoping is that Hamas is beggining to show signs of a rift in the leadership, with the brave souls sitting nice and comfy with their families safe in Damascus calling for the struggle to continue "regardless of the conscequences", while the Gaza based leadership, that is actually bearing the brunt of the attack, is being more pragmatic and moving closer to accepting the Egyptian proposal.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 15, 2009, 15:37:

I hate chickenhawks...never listen to them

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

tasco66 says on Jan 16, 2009, 10:32:

Embedded With The Gaza Medics

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 16, 2009, 18:56:

Hmmm, seems to me like you are losing your composure again, drink some water and take a couple of deep breaths. Tell me, how did they receive those votes if, as you posted, they did no run in the election? One inconsistency after another......................

"n two years, i've kicked your ass about 4 or 5 times in arguments about JFK, Cuba, etc. If that sounds like bragging.........haha, yes it is. Another Fox News dupe bites the dust and boy does it feel good. What does your daddy have to say about admitting you're wrong? Probably nothing as that inability most likely comes from your 'cowardly colombian' side. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA"

I am sure glad you posted this, it shows everybody how weak you really are. My daddy would probably say that now I own you.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 16, 2009, 19:10:

jaja, dude, reread your little tantrum up there, and then we'll have a discussion about ten year olds. How old are you anyways?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 16, 2009, 19:30:

you are now on the road to recovery.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ujay says on Jan 16, 2009, 19:30:

http://www.jukelightning.com

0 funny, 0 helpful.

billyb says on Jan 16, 2009, 20:07:

Deal.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

0 funny, 0 helpful.