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romy comments on The hostage story is not the whole truth

there's a bigger picture... 700 hostages, poverty, etc. you can read elsewhere if interested

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

"might"... sadly the Swiss report is much more believable given the audacious details specified in the 'official' story. An ONG helicopter, reciprocity, Che Guevara shirts, a couple of guerrilleros herding 15 critical hostages... coupled with news of extradition of cesar, 'perfect execution' can we nitpick the two stories? maybe you'll change my mind

 

romy comments on The hostage story is not the whole truth

explain the "big picture"

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

you better than most understand the complexity of these issues, but if you want to isolate the discussion to this particular news reporting "it's entirely up to you". In the end, you can make your 'nitpicks' analysis on the words that were written by swiss reporter... hoiwever, I find that most critical in this situation is the critical thinking that must take place when considering 'he said she said' battles. Unfortunately, most people have picked sides and have taken what was said by one side as if it was scripture... Anyways... assuming the report to be true... it's not clear what US involvement was? I believe it's mere witness/criminal protection in the US, for whatever my hypotheses are worth... regardelsss, I agree that the US would have no interest in 'aiding' towards the social issues mentioned.

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

CG- it wasn't intended at you... anyways I have such mistrust of the Colombian government that until they prove that whatever they say is true then I'll believe them.... no me como el cuento del pastorsito mentiroso jejeje igual, no me importa Chavez, y mi escepticismo es mas aya de Chavez

 

romy comments on Hostages NOT Rescued, Exchanged For $20 Million U.S. Dollars

Trolling. Some people just enjoy starting trouble. They'll intentionally post false or controversial material, usually worded in a provocative manner, just to get others to pay attention to them. This is known as"trolling" and is regarded by some as an art form. We disagree. We think it is dull entertainment for simple minds.

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

Trolling. Some people just enjoy starting trouble. They'll intentionally post false or controversial material, usually worded in a provocative manner, just to get others to pay attention to them. This is known as"trolling" and is regarded by some as an art form. We disagree. We think it is dull entertainment for simple minds.

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

"Where there's smoke, there's fire." dichos existen en todos los idiomas para todas las situaciones, incluyendo situaciones 100% contradicientes... uno escoge el que mas beneficio le de a uno en el momento

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

one must think of US interests in this ordeal... and it becomes a 'responsibility' as they increase their influence and have their ideological battles. The biggest aid coming from the US is 100% backing of the Colombian-ilegitimate government... not financial

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

gracias juance! se me olvidaba que swiss reporter no era Dios... mi argumento solo llegaba a que las acusaciones a Chavez con FARC o Hezbollah o el mismo diablo nunca han sido comprobadas, como a muchos ya les gusta decir que son tan obvias y uno es 'ingenuo' al pedir prueba...

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

I don't see your 'implications'..... do you mean "The point here is tha maybe the Goverment is trying too hard to win the second reelection with the negotiations with the Farc and with the results of the "war", desplazados, reinsertados, la efimera paz, etc while oil prices keep going up, trasnportation keeps goiing up, jobs are not easy to find, etc"? this is plausible through US financing...

 

romy comments on Hostages NOT Rescued, Exchanged For $20 Million U.S. Dollars

the saddest part...'Si la gente supiera que esta operación fue un montaje detrás de una negociación, no le importaría, porque Uribe sale como el triunfador y en todo caso queda como el hombre fuerte'

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

why does it have to be Colombia that made the payment to make webmanco's argument true?

 

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

300 'millones' de que? donde ya comprobaron eso?

 

romy comments on Hostages NOT Rescued, Exchanged For $20 Million U.S. Dollars

even with a devalued dollar it's not a bad chunk of change in the U.S.A.

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

pero 20 es bastante para dos narquitos que se escaparon...

 

romy comments on Hostages NOT Rescued, Exchanged For $20 Million U.S. Dollars

From http://lta.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idLTAN0436334220080704?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true "Estados Unidos anunció que buscará la extradición de los dos jefes guerrilleros, mientras que el comandante del Ejército de Colombia, general Mario Montoya, se mostró de acuerdo con que sean entregados a la justicia estadounidense." so 5-10 years in 'prison' for drug trafficking...and then they're free in the 'land of freedom'................ Monpirri, who is your `creditable` source? can you post a link?

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

of course he wouldn`t... they are ousting him from inside out

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

no... previous experiences with this government, trends, etc.

 

romy comments on Farc habrían recibido millones de dólares por la liberación de Ingrid Betancourt

...claro para que siga designando nuestros pesos de impuestos a los guerrilleros, pues tu sabes que ellos no ganan suficiente por el narcotrafico........................

 

romy comments on Hostages NOT Rescued, Exchanged For $20 Million U.S. Dollars

I care if the government that supposedly represents the people, lies to the people... I don`t like people lying to me, but I guess it might just be a pet peeve of mine

 

romy comments on How much does a sucesfull Uribe second reelection would cost?

THE GOOD: No more Farc No more ELN No more Paramilitares No more Aguilas Negras THE BAD: Higher taxes More "security" THE UGLY: More military escorted tours More poor people.............Along with all the problems that come with poverty, that might lead to instability in the future Complete indoctrination by government...... the government represents a few and rules over many

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

Mercenary: is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" (Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention of August 1949).....................Thus a Colombian soldier cannot be considered a mercenary, especially not a volunteer Espionage or spying involves an individual obtaining (i.e., using human intelligence HUMINT methods) information that is considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information.........................Thus 'stealing' information from FARC is espionage; there's no need for them to be legitimate in any way billyb- I have no time to explain the workings of FARC to you, maybe after the summer's done ask me again

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

"stating the truth"... how was I proved wrong by yesterday's events? nobody really answered that question... when did I call Tasco or anybody on this forum a paraco?... imaginary worlds that we all live in, just some people's are far more false than others. billy-what does your not knowing about FARC imply? I don't get it... "nuff said" Anyways, I'm back out to the sun 28 degrees and clear skies in Calgary to kick off stampede... I'll check if there's anything insightful from any of you probably tomorrow.

 

romy comments on The hostage story is not the whole truth

So a government lying to its people is no foul?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

if you have a valid argument I'm sure it'll go down well with the PBH rules... however resorting to insult and false accusation is all you've ever done.

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

"Reread your posts from yesterday and if you still don't know where you stand, let me know and I will help you out. You sounded like a child who's favorite toy had just been taken away." I know where I stand...I was wondering what the billyb "quite clear" perception was?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

"I think you made that quite clear yesterday." can you expand on that?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

where do I stand billyb?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

WOW! you guys had a great party on here last night... "Commie" "Guerrilla" "Leftie" blah blah blah you don't have to remind me who the ignorant fools on this board are.

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

it's just not conductive to civil society is the major problem I see with it. At what point do you stop paying these guys off? pardoning their crimes? Oh oh the game's about to start... Pascual Guerrero is packed... see you all tomorrow and CHEERS!!

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

billyb- do you condone buying off criminals? paying ransom money? etc.

 

romy comments on Hostages will be released!

"The remaining leaders of the FARC have said they will release the hostages in exchange for money and freedom in another country" took a little longer than a month to come together, at least since we started hearing about the deal

 

romy comments on Colombian Military Tricks FARC into releasing hostages

I wonder how much they had to dish out to get this deal done? I hope not from my tax pesos 4 por mil, military taxes... not to have alias Cesar start a wonderful new life in the U.S.A

 

romy comments on Paracos For Jesus in Belén Rincón

They should call this article 'Paramilitaries, Guerrillas, and The Church: An Unholy Alliance' hahahaha now I've seen it all

 

romy comments on Where are all the Uribe haters now?

"HERE'S SIMON"!!!!!!!!!!!

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

OK OK OK good for Ingrid SHE'S FREE!!, I felt for her as she gave her heartfelt speech. And yes it was the government that got her out (regardless of the politics involved that we can later discuss)... but WHY DELAY THE GAME? what am I supposed to do for 40 minutes?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

Juance- of course and it's all things I've considered... again I apologize to a poster like you that remains reasonable in such times of information bombardment. Do you not question the existance of this 'humanitarian aid' helicopter, sure there was probably a helicopter, how else do you get into and out of the jungle.... but the fictitious humanitarian agency bit is so out there. Besides, this operation implies that Cano has communications with these other guys... why not go after the big fish too had they 'infiltrated' these lines? ...there's just too many questions to be taking what has been released as an absolute truth like people have chosen to do. My perspective, at least. btw, Santos mentions that this FARC faction holds many hostages, however doesn't specify... don't tell me you don't also question the whole 'reciprocity' argument?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

MT- remember that thread on people changing personalities when using different languages?? you seem to do so when crossing borders... How many times do I have to state how happy I am for the freed hostages and their families... but how can I celebrate a short-sighted victory? people are still dying from violence, there's tons of IDPs/refugees, soaring food prices are affecting the poor more and more, there's an ilegitimate government in power, etc etc... but sure I have nothing but happiness in my personal life so F them, maybe I'll head to the bar after the game tonight and look specifically for a Colombiana to pick up and celebrate with her...

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

juance- how did they 'justify' the transfer of these 15 hostages? beyond that question that has no real answer because, who did they 'trick'? so assuming what they say is true word by word, is it not conceivable to have a second helicopter? MT- so you ignore the pro-Santos politics? (it's funny because it's not even about Uribe anymore but Uribistas on this forum haven't received the memo)

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

Cesar will soon be alias Jorge, though where he will be people might call him George...

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

who (what name?) do you recognize that is still being held by FARC? it's obviously an implication, but given the turn of events... If you believe word for word what the military is saying, these guys are geniuses... how has it ever taken them until this moment in time to have these high-profile hostages released?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

they picked who they wanted on that helicopter... it's no coincidence who came out from this operation. Not to mention the whole Cesar stuff, obviously they bought him out. I do find this disgusting and would be willing to bet it's a lie "Se coordinó para que los secuestrados fueran recogidos en un sitio predeterminado por un helicóptero de una organización humanitaria ficticia." when has any humanitarian group been found to be aiding FARC? and why would FARC trust a group that out of the blue offers them a helicopter ride?

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

video posted by aztec.... I'm very happy for Ingrid and her family along with the other hostages released still like I posted on my first reaction

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

so now Santos is banking on reciprocity from FARC? WHAT?? they had a shot at getting everyone out but only took a select 15 out? That's the next president speaking everybody...

 

romy comments on Can you say bye bye?

you still don't understand the essence of FARC billyb... that's ok... have a shot of Guaro on me tonight... I'll have a couple of drinks while watching America de Cali on their road to the championship.

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

CG- While it's 99.9% possible that Ingrid is now free... I have yet to see the pictures. You nor I, nor anybody on this board has access to what this operation was actually all about. Insulting someone just because of what santos said and what you presume is a little weak in character, and I had thought better of you...

 

romy comments on Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free

I believe buggy has made several pro-Ingrid posts on this board... the distortion of information is lived on PBH

 

romy comments on Can you say bye bye?

They are now stronger financially, though weaker politically

 

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