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	<title>Comments on: Video discussions in sign language</title>
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		<title>By: Jean Walsh</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-140957</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please comment on the following discussion or provide any advice about using web cams to facilitate sign language for teachers and students?

There are problems when using web cams of any type where one or both parties uses a dial-up connection or even some of the slower broadband connections, which might often be the case when trying to communicate with students working from home.  The images are jerky and blurry, making signing a problem.


We had a fellow come in to demonstrate a special video phone that operated outside the internet environment, but that also did not have sufficient speed or resolution to facilitate sign language.

High speed broadband at both ends is required to have good enough live-streaming for sign language to be of practical use.  Even with high speed, for example from our NSW DET state office in Sydney to the IT office a few kilometers away, we don't get good enough speed to enable a webcam to be used to pick up sign language.  When a person moves, the image is very blurry unless the movements are very slow.

Video conferencing can be used between NSW DET locations, and that is usually not too bad, although still a bit slow; but that is not be a practical solution for one-on-one interaction between a teacher and an individual student, who may be at home.

On the technical side: 

The cameras themselves are quite cheap, so that cost is not an impediment.

We have two options that are freely available at the moment for web cam communication.

1. Bridgit (part of SmartTools):  If both parties are at NSW DET locations, they can use web cams and headphones to share live streaming audio and video communication.  I have tested it with a nearby offfice and don't believe our network is fast enough to efficiently use sign language.

2. Skype:  If one or both parties are not at a NSW DET location, Skype is a free service that works with a web cam and headphone as well.  Officially, we can't download and install Skype on NSW DET PCs.

The problem of students from home not having sufficient broadband speed for practical use, in terms of seeing what people are signing, may be an ongoing problem.

Unfortunately, I think it is a case of the movies giving people a false impression of what is available — possible, yes, available, hmmmm . . .?

If you know of anyone who successfully uses web cams to communicate via sign language, I would certainly like to know who they are so I can ask how they are doing it and how successful it is.

Having a visual image of a person while communicating, no matter how poor the image quality, is probably useful in many ways; but at this stage, I am not sure we have services that would enable efficient sign language communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please comment on the following discussion or provide any advice about using web cams to facilitate sign language for teachers and students?</p>
<p>There are problems when using web cams of any type where one or both parties uses a dial-up connection or even some of the slower broadband connections, which might often be the case when trying to communicate with students working from home.  The images are jerky and blurry, making signing a problem.</p>
<p>We had a fellow come in to demonstrate a special video phone that operated outside the internet environment, but that also did not have sufficient speed or resolution to facilitate sign language.</p>
<p>High speed broadband at both ends is required to have good enough live-streaming for sign language to be of practical use.  Even with high speed, for example from our NSW DET state office in Sydney to the IT office a few kilometers away, we don&#8217;t get good enough speed to enable a webcam to be used to pick up sign language.  When a person moves, the image is very blurry unless the movements are very slow.</p>
<p>Video conferencing can be used between NSW DET locations, and that is usually not too bad, although still a bit slow; but that is not be a practical solution for one-on-one interaction between a teacher and an individual student, who may be at home.</p>
<p>On the technical side: </p>
<p>The cameras themselves are quite cheap, so that cost is not an impediment.</p>
<p>We have two options that are freely available at the moment for web cam communication.</p>
<p>1. Bridgit (part of SmartTools):  If both parties are at NSW DET locations, they can use web cams and headphones to share live streaming audio and video communication.  I have tested it with a nearby offfice and don&#8217;t believe our network is fast enough to efficiently use sign language.</p>
<p>2. Skype:  If one or both parties are not at a NSW DET location, Skype is a free service that works with a web cam and headphone as well.  Officially, we can&#8217;t download and install Skype on NSW DET PCs.</p>
<p>The problem of students from home not having sufficient broadband speed for practical use, in terms of seeing what people are signing, may be an ongoing problem.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think it is a case of the movies giving people a false impression of what is available — possible, yes, available, hmmmm . . .?</p>
<p>If you know of anyone who successfully uses web cams to communicate via sign language, I would certainly like to know who they are so I can ask how they are doing it and how successful it is.</p>
<p>Having a visual image of a person while communicating, no matter how poor the image quality, is probably useful in many ways; but at this stage, I am not sure we have services that would enable efficient sign language communication.</p>
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		<title>By: North of the Stupid Line &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rob becomes famous in PJs</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-51129</link>
		<dc:creator>North of the Stupid Line &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rob becomes famous in PJs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There was an article on a techie blog, on the usage of BSL on the internet, which can be found at a Guide to Ease. There are also pinged links here and here. I&#8217;ve also linked on my Notes blog too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There was an article on a techie blog, on the usage of BSL on the internet, which can be found at a Guide to Ease. There are also pinged links here and here. I&#8217;ve also linked on my Notes blog too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: billy joe bader</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-45397</link>
		<dc:creator>billy joe bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello billy joe bader  
dear reply 
talk you now  know  let you  my  house  move  soon  will  know  help  not  know  who  d-link  need  what you  know  plase   my  bother   want one   need  t.v  cable   in  both  computer   on  t.v  and  know  what</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello billy joe bader<br />
dear reply<br />
talk you now  know  let you  my  house  move  soon  will  know  help  not  know  who  d-link  need  what you  know  plase   my  bother   want one   need  t.v  cable   in  both  computer   on  t.v  and  know  what</p>
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		<title>By: North of the stupid line</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-1975</link>
		<dc:creator>North of the stupid line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rob becomes famous in PJs&lt;/strong&gt;
One thing that noone has mentioned, is how Rob rose to fame (again) last week, but this time in his pyjamas. Yes you read that right. There was an article on a techie blog, on the usage of BSL on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rob becomes famous in PJs</strong><br />
One thing that noone has mentioned, is how Rob rose to fame (again) last week, but this time in his pyjamas. Yes you read that right. There was an article on a techie blog, on the usage of BSL on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ICT en Onderwijs BLOG</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator>ICT en Onderwijs BLOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Zinvol videobloggen&lt;/strong&gt;
Guide to Ease offers an interesting read about how videoblogging enables deaf people to have discussions in their first language (post is in Dutch)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Zinvol videobloggen</strong><br />
Guide to Ease offers an interesting read about how videoblogging enables deaf people to have discussions in their first language (post is in Dutch)</p>
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		<title>By: ICT en Onderwijs BLOG</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-1961</link>
		<dc:creator>ICT en Onderwijs BLOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Zinvol videobloggen&lt;/strong&gt;
"Two weeks ago, a group of deaf people in the UK started using sign video in a Google discussion group. They sign in front of a webcam, and upload the video to the group." (bron) Het bericht zwierf...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Zinvol videobloggen</strong><br />
&#8220;Two weeks ago, a group of deaf people in the UK started using sign video in a Google discussion group. They sign in front of a webcam, and upload the video to the group.&#8221; (bron) Het bericht zwierf&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Adams @ Arkansas Tech</title>
		<link>http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/09/03/2084/video-discussions#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Adams @ Arkansas Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Guide to Ease � Video discussions in sign language&lt;/strong&gt;
Guide to Ease � Video discussions in sign language Wow..... This is very cool. For more. follow the link above. Two weeks ago, a group of deaf people in the UK started using sign video in a Google discussion group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Guide to Ease � Video discussions in sign language</strong><br />
Guide to Ease � Video discussions in sign language Wow&#8230;.. This is very cool. For more. follow the link above. Two weeks ago, a group of deaf people in the UK started using sign video in a Google discussion group.</p>
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