World Cup comments & predictions

Michael_B says on Jun 9, 2006, 08:59:

My Money is on Colombia I bet the finca on it ;-)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 09:37:

Me too. For 2010

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 9, 2006, 10:30:

What do you mean by that??!! "In other words, no arguments and no insults. So fire away."

Well, G5..#$ at %% to you and %$*)(#))#(*$*...so how do you like that??!! and furthermore...&*^%))*%%**%^$* or you can *&%$^&&#$%# at ./....with that said, i feel better now!!!!!!!!!!!! Damm. isnt PBH great therapy???

hahahhahahahahhaa.....

Go Irannnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!hahahhahaha.....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 21 días...Colombia es pasión!

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel says on Jun 9, 2006, 13:29:

G5 I'm going with Brasil. It was great to see so much offense in the Germany-Costa Rica match.

As I post, it's 70:00 in the Ecuador-Poland match with Ecuador up 1-0.

toneloc24 says on Jun 9, 2006, 13:41:

Migs Germany's not as good as Costa Rica made them look.

And Poland has its hands full with Ecuador's aggressiveness.

I'm with ya. Brasil.....again.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 14:31:

OK......everyone My instinct...really instinct tells me to go with Brazil. From a technical perspective, taking into account talent and everything else, they sure look like the best team.But,and this is a big but, South American teams don't have a very good record when the Cup
is played in Europe. I heard on the news last night that no South American team has ever won in Europe. I have not had a chance to check that out, but if that is the case, even Brazil is going to have an an up hill battle. I also know that the hosting team certainly has the benefit of the home crowd? For example, 4 years ago, was S Korea really that good, or was it those non stop screaming fans making a difference. When France won in 98 were they really the best team, or did they make the most of the fact that they were the hosting country?

Ecuador really dominated Poland. Poland was never really in it. I know it's early, but that gives at least some credence to what I said here last September when everyone was many here were selling Ecuador short. On the other hand, Colombia knocked off the field in Barranquilla (wasn't it a 5-0 romp???). I am not picking Ecuador to go far. But I would not be surprised if they moved beyond the first round....in fact, I predict that they will.

Kernow......who's your pick....England or Paraguay? That should be a very good game. Sorry Kernow, I have to go with my Latin Brothers. Paraguay. This team is under rated. Me thinks.....Par 2 Eng. 1

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 9, 2006, 14:32:

my favourites

Italy
argentina
Brazil
England

el norteño says on Jun 9, 2006, 17:46:

Ticos Costa Rica were not prepared for this match. They started out very lackadaisical. Several times CR defenders tried to dribble the ball out of danger and were dispossesed by alert German attackers. This isn't the Costa Rican league. But, they did well to score twice.

Germany will probably win the group, but I don't see them as a threat to win the Cup. A good team will punish their defense.

I see one of the European big dogs lifting the Cup this year, Holland, England, Italy.

Oh, by the way, I'm predicting the US to advance to the round of 16. :-)

el norteño says on Jun 9, 2006, 17:51:

Gomezman Brasil won the 1958 Cup in Sweden. But, they had a certain player called Pele. The current selecao looks awesome on paper. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Robinho, Kaka. But who is going to do the defensive work in midfield? Their defense is suspect, and I'm not convinced Dida is a great keeper. On paper, they are unbeatable. But, I think it will happen.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 18:36:

Good point El norteno For all the great offensive ability that Brazil has, (as mentioned by you above) defense is not something that they are short on either. The value of Cafu, who is probably in his last Cup competition, and Roberto Carlos, cannot be overlooked on defense. Cafu, is so agile, and plays with such finess, in my opinoin, sets the standard as to what defense in this game is all about. Kaka still holds up very well in his midfield position.

You know something. The Cup always has its share of upsets, look what happened to so many teams 4 years ago. Remember Argentina? OK, that being said, it is about this time every Cup I say to myself, maybe Brazil will be the talk of upsets this time. Inasmuch as I have a whole lot of respect for how great these players are, damn it, I am tired, of everytime, before the first ball is even kicked, of having to say, hey what differnece does it make who wins and loses, because in the end, Brazil is going to win the Cup anyway. So once again, I hope for an early departure for Brazil. Imagine, all the speculation that will took place if Brazil is no longer a factor. Anything is possible.

kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2006, 18:50:

I think England will beat Paraguay 2-0. As long as we attack and get a few set pieces. If England does get beat it will be an upset that's for sure. Paraguay is 400 to 1 at the bookies to make it out of this group. England is currently at 8 to 1.

Poland and Ecuador are fairly close in odds at 80 to 1 and 125 to 1 respectively. I liked the way Ecuador played a defensive counter-attacking game, they have great pace and athleticism.

The bookies have Brazil at 5 to 2 and the next closest in their group is Croatia at 50 to 1. So should be a piece of cake.

Argentina is at 7 to 1 and Holland at 15 to 1. I think the Dutch will be very good in this cup. They are the best team in the world never to have won the cup, they are due. Go Ruud!

France is a favourite 9 to 1 with the Swiss at 100 to 1.

Now a close group is the group with the US.

Italy is favoured at 10 to 1 but the US is only just behind at 12 to 1 whilst the Czech republic has dropped to 40 to 1 because of injuries.

The other tight group is Portugal at 20 to 1 and Mexico at 25 to 1.

platano says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:05:

I am predicting an upset in Saturday evening's game... I know Argentina is favored... that's why it will be a big upset when Cote d’Ivoire wins.
Suppose I should give a reason I think that. In part it is because Ivory Coast is coached by Henri Michel, a former French national team player and coach. This year's team has a roster full of players who have the experience of competing in the strongest European leagues. It may be a long shot but Africa will be pulling for Ivory Coast as will I. I still remember Colombia's defeat of Argentina, 5-0 in 1994. I was rolling on the floor in ecstasy, and I want to repeat the experience of Argentina's defeat this year.

plátano

kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:34:

I would like to see that too Platano, but even Drogba can't work miracles.

platano says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:43:

You know there is a certain similarity between Colombia and Cote d’Ivoire but since the OP prohibits any political talk I won't mention civil war or anything like that.

No, Drogba alone can't work miracles, but with Kanga Akale and Emerse Fae, etc.?

And let's not forget Zokora! Zokora is fast, and not just on his feet... He is also unusually quick with his hips and shoulders as well. He can easily fool markers in one on one situations thanks to his agility which gives him endless options for deceiving markers. Zokora can turn on a dime, changing direction to keep opponents guessing, until he speeds by and sends another pass to a teammate with pinpoint precision.

plátano

billyb says on Jun 9, 2006, 20:24:

Platano.. I shared your ecstasy in '94 when we beat the Argentines 5-0. Does anybody else see a Brazil/England final? I beleive the draw is such that it's a possibility.

BillyB

Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 21:58:

Yea Kernow..... You're probably right. I know you guys don't like FIFA rankings, but England is rated much higher than Paraguay. In fact Colombia is rated higher than Paraguay. So I can't see how I thought Paraguay will beat England 2-1. Well, maybe I just wish it so. Kernow and Brazil would be a great final. Heck, let the old pros like Roberto Carlos and Kafu go out in style. On the other hand, England can use some cheering up these days. Plus, like I said before, South America does not have a good record at winning when they play in Europe.

So, is everyone really going to write Germany off so quickly? Aren't you guys forgeting about hosting country advantage. Would Korea would have done so well 4 years ago? Would France would have won 8 years ago? Would the US have done so well (they really did considering from where they came) 12 years ago? (Including the victory over Colombia). I think people better not see Germany short.

As to the Czech Republic. Hmmm, what a bad break these guys got huh? They have played so well and were easily one of the best teams in Europe....I really feel bad for these guys.

kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2006, 08:01:

England 1 Paraguay 0 in the most lackluster display so far in the World Cup. If England continue to play like that they won't go far. They need to settle down now after winning 3 points. Paraguay was the better ball handling team by far.

caulfield2 says on Jun 10, 2006, 08:16:

England played a very pedestrian first game. Nobody played that well for England, Lampard had the best shots on goal but the second goalie for Paraguay gamely stopped them. 1-0 on an own goal for Gammara (sp), one of Paraguay's best defenders.

The only Paraguayan I was really impressed with was their striker, Valdez or Valdes.

I think England really needs a healthy Rooney to go anywhere in the second round. Paraguay didn't dominate the second half, but they played England pretty evenly.

Crouch, the 6-7 striker for England must have had 10 fouls and a yellow card. It seemed that everytime he went up for a header, he was called by the Mexican ref. The advantage in free kicks for PARA must have been at least 2-1.

I'm pulling for Ivory Coast (memories of Cameroon over ARG) and Drogba is one of my favorites. I also like Chelsea in the English League. Ivory Coast has the strikers and defense, it will be interesting to see how their midfield will hold up.

Most are expecting Messi to emerge as the new world star after this Cup.

johna says on Jun 10, 2006, 09:12:

Congrats to Ecuador! I love an underdog. I went crazy when I saw that Cameroon over ARG victory. The other one that really sticks out for me is s. Korea over Italy last cup. In fact I find ARG and ITL very similar in attitude and approach to them game. Needless to say I think alot of people were more than a little happy. I think an interesting game will be Angola v. Portugal. The old colony v. the old superpower, I think there will be lots of emotion. Well I am off to watch Trin & Tob. take on Sweden.

toneloc24 says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:02:

Overrated??? This is like March Madness where the teams which played in more monied conferences are weighted higher than those that aren't. I'm loving it.

How in the hell do you explain Trinidad and Tobago playing the "fearsome" Swedes to a draw? Even worse, For just about the entire 2nd half, T&T played 10 on 11.

Ecuador not only beating, but holding Poland scoreless?

Germany looked very beatable against Costa Rica. There is no defense. That offside trap scheme will get opposed very soon.

Paraguay only losing by one goal to one of the biggest favorites, England? No excuses, it shouldn't have been that close. Rooney isn't the only superstar on England.

Gonna be a few more upsets to occur and I'm loving it so far. I still got Brasil airing out everybody on their way to winning the entire thing.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:14:

Sweden hasn't won their first round match since 1958! England hasn't beaten Sweden in yonks. After watching Trinidad I am not thinking England beating them is a given, but I still think they will.

I have noticed the underdogs seem to do best early on because they don't have the pressure on them that the big teams do. The big teams usually settle down after a match or two. Hopefully that isn't too late for them.

Isn't it interesting a 0 - 0 result means totally different things depending on the team expectations.

I tried watching the England v Paraguay match on US telly, where the hell did they find that announcer and Marcelo Balboa is a joke. In five minutes I heard Balboa refer to Beckham as Michael Beckham, then he got England and Germany mixed up, the other fellow said Argentina was favoured in this group (which they aren't in), he call Beckham, David Beckett. Wankers. I switched over to German TV, yawn they put me to sleep. In the end back to Univision. Even a boring game sounds great!!!

webmanco says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:38:

Alemania, Brasil then Argentina

Click on Higuita to see his save in one game

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

platano says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:48:

toneloc... "How in the hell do you explain...?" The way I explain upsets is with four words: "on any given day..."

I'm hoping today is the day for Cote d'Ivoire to win! GO AFRICA!

plátano

platano says on Jun 10, 2006, 13:29:

Half time report... Platano is rolling on the floor... in agony! Looks very difficult for CIV to pull this one out.

plátano

vladimiro says on Jun 10, 2006, 14:28:

world cup I think England has a good chance to win this year. I hope injured Iran can overcome Mexico tommorrow and atleast make it to the second round. I like the games with political overtones like when US got kicked out of world cup by Iran as shown below :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vfi9-7oa0E&search=iran%20world%20cup

el norteño says on Jun 10, 2006, 15:18:

England Very unconvincing display by England.
No wonder Erickson is desperate to get Rooney on the field.

Is David Beckham the most over-hyped player in the world?

fugdis says on Jun 10, 2006, 16:04:

tactics England werent that bad first half and fell apart in the second half.
Ericsson is a bad manager! he has no tactics,he plays people out of position,makes CRAZY substitutions and keeps experimenting with ineffective formations.England has some world class players that perform well at club level but cant seem to get it together in an england shirt.
It seems to me that if anyone is playing well ericsson substitutes them like he did today with joe cole.
It is the patriotic duty of every englishman out there to say a quiet prayer for young mr.Rooneys foot.Perhaps a few sparks of individual talent will get us through

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 07:47:

Vladimiro Are you serious? Iran, overcome Mexcio. Are you dreaming? I'll take that bet. Besides, I'm slightly curious. Why do you single that match out? Why do you wish to seem Iran beat Mexico? I am still willing to bet you or anyone else for that matter that Mexico will beat Iran,,,,and soundly. Mexico is clearly a much better team-hands down. On the other hand, as we have seen before, on any given day, anything can happen.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:06:

The climate...was a factor for England The temperature in Frankfort was close to 90 degrees. It was very hot for play of this type. Supposedly, the entire English team drank 70 litres of water and on the average, each player lost about 5 pounds. They were nearly exhausted. That might explain things.

England is a great team. But I don't care who is playing, when you have to play under those type of conditions, you are not going to be playing at your best. So, after all is said, you will have to cut England some slack for their somewhat lackluster performance in the second half.

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:16:

Normally I'd agree with G5... Mexico hands down... even more so given Iran's injury list... but Mexico could foul their way to defeat with sloppy play.... on any given day...

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:34:

30 minute mark....Mexico 1 Iran 0 Hey Platano.....I appreciate the fact that you "normally agree with me".
There are not many on here that do.

Today, one yellow card already. And, not playing too well at the 22 minute mark. However, injuries or not, Iran is not not "even is the same league as Mexico. Few teams are. But Mexico is Mexico,and they have beaten many great teams and their world wide ranking demands respect. If anything, they may underestimate their competition. That is their biggest problem, even more than their propencity to foul. However, after weak first halves, they seem to know how to come together in the second half to get the one or two goals they need to win. A lot is going to depend on how well Sanchez will perform in Goal. Sanchez is the difference, even with the proficiency of Marque and Sanchez on defense.

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:39:

G5, when it comes to football, salsa, law, and politics... You just know more... so it is safe to agree with you.

Iran 1 Mexico 1

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:41:

Thanks my man.....but I'm near tears Sanchez could not do anything about that goal. That corner kick just had the smell of Goal. I felt it, the commentators felt it and so did every fan of Mexico from here to Chiapas.

Plenty of time though.
Entonces...Viva Mexico..!!

Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:53:

Oye Quiero saber..despues de un GOL mexicano, sus aficionados toman un trago de tequila...pero digame, ¿que pasa despues de un GOL iraní?

vladimiro says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:55:

Iran vs Mexico Iran ties it up 1-1. Mexico is better but Iran often miraculously beats opponents that are much better than them. I'll be happy with a draw and Iran making it to the second round. I like Iran because I'm half Iranian, lived thier when I was a kid, and grew up in an Iranian family.

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:14:

Miguel, Traditionally Iranians drink cold water with their meals. Maybe after a gol it's water?

plátano

Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:19:

Green banana Thanks for the cultural update. You think the farc boys and girls are taking the day off and watching la copa mundial?

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:21:

G5 asked that this thread be free of politics so I respectfully decline to take the bait. :)

plátano

webmanco says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:42:

En hora buena!!

En hora buena!!

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:44:

MEXICO 3- Iran-1 I know people here hate it when the G5 is right.....But, I'm right again. What did I write above??? I'll remind you:

....."after weak first halves, they seem to know how to come together in the second half to get the one or two goals they need to win."

And so it's happening again!! (with 5 minute left)

Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:10:

Platano I was not baiting you but actually wondering if the guerillas ( and the paracos) are taking the day off to watch fútbol. I hope so.

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:16:

OK, Miguel... but why ask me? I know nothing... Today I am not interested in what any of the armed actors are doing.

plátano

johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:58:

Ok Portugal vs. Angola on next.... ...this should be interesting. The old colony taking on the colonizer, alot of emotion there probably. I know next to nothing about the Angolan team, but it is always fun to watch the newcomers.
About the Mexico game, I did not think Mexico looked to impressive with their passes. Maybe just first game jitters there.

johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:05:

Platano please tell me you were joking "G5, when it comes to football, salsa, law, and politics...
You just know more... so it is safe to agree with you."

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:43:

OK, Johna and others, I thought I made it clear.. In the begining....I asked no politics....no personal insults. It applies to all. Myself included. If someone wants to complement someone, myself, johna, or whoever, than fine. But but leave the insults and negative comments OFF THIS THREAD--- PLEASE. Is that asking too much?

If people find this request to difficult, than create another thread and attack me or whoever until their heart's content. Until now, everyone has been sticking to my request. So let's get back on track.

platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:50:

johna, I stand by my words praising G5. But out of respect for the request in the OP I'm not going to say more, except to say I respect G5 and wish him the best.

And today's game proved G5 was right: Mexico didn't just win over Iran. They won convincingly.

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 14:01:

Thanks again Platano 2 points.
1. I knew someone was going to start something negative and personal.I even tried to reconcile things with Johna in the other thread by admiring his experience in Korea, and inquiring about it. Go figure.

2.As to your statement about Mexico. Of course they played well. They got three goals. When you get three goals in Cup competition, you have to give the team credit.May I also add, they got the three goals in the fashion I predicted- a so so first half and then the rose to the occassion with 2 goals in the second half. Three goals is three goals. Enough said.

Platano, there are plenty of Mexico haters on this board. Suffice to say, if Mexcio, out of stroke of luck, went to the final and beat Brazil, some brillinat one would come on here and say that Mexico got lucky.

Simon says on Jun 11, 2006, 14:56:

Mexico's win was in part due to their NATURALIZED players, the BRASILIAN Zinha and the ARGENTINE Franco. That doesn't surprise me at all.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2006, 15:59:

You need to do more research, Simon, because if you're wielding that brush you're going to get paint everywhere:

Germany Kevin Kuranyi (Brazil)
Germany Gerald Asamoah (Ghana)
Germany Miroslav Klose (Poland)
Poland Emmanuel Olisadebe (Nigeria)
Belgium Emile and Mbo Mpenza (Congo)
France Patrick Vieira (Senegal)
France Marcel Dessaily (Ghana)
France Claude Makelele (Congo)

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 16:16:

Gozeman maybe I was a little hard on you but I was truly shocked by Platano's comment. I was simply inquiring whether or not it was sarcasm. And if you will think back you will remember that it was not me who started the insults. So if you dish it out be ready to get it back. Don't be so sensitive.

Now back to futbol.

"As to your statement about Mexico. Of course they played well. They got three goals. When you get three goals in Cup competition, you have to give the team credit.May I also add, they got the three goals in the fashion I predicted- a so so first half and then the rose to the occassion with 2 goals in the second half. Three goals is three goals. Enough said."

Mexico only had about 15 min of decent play against a below average team. Though I love Mexico they stunk up the first half. The first goal was probably offsides by the way. The next two were very nice.
But that does not negate the fact that the midfield play was poor. Also to accuse me of being a Mexico hater because of this observation is pretty silly and hypocritical. It does even come close to hoping someone "chokes on a taco".

fugdis says on Jun 11, 2006, 16:48:

taco ooooppsss,i think the taco comment is gonna keep coming back to haunt you G5

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2006, 18:37:

futbol I'm rooting for Costa Rica (eventhough they probably won't go too far).

Ecuador... nah. Colombia taught those guys everything they know about soccer and suddenly, they are starring us down, their heads got too big.

Brazil is our best bet as far as South America goes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2006, 18:56:

You sound like my wife, Colombiche. She roots for the South American teams. I told her, what do you care if those malcriados Argentines win? She just grinned and said she was from South America and so were they and that was enough.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2006, 19:12:

Noooooooo!!!!!! Not Argentina, no, my southamericanism doesn't go that far!!!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 19:39:

God.....can't disappear for even couple of hours Funny. I love this site. I'm a Mexico lover (aka GomeXman5) and I'm a Mexico hater (taco comment). I guess that only proves, I'm Fair and Balanced.

Well, it should come as no suprise, the old timers should no who I favor.

1. US
1A. Mexico. I'll explain. If the US wins, who is going to care? I can assure you, on the local news here in Chicago. If the Cubs win or lose, they will be covered first. If the White Sox win or lose, they will be next story. Then, the NBA playoffs. Then something about the Bears mini camp. And in the last 15 seconds, the fact that the US World Cup won a game will get a mere mention. Get the point? Nobody in this country care ab out the US soccer team, so I figure, why not give it to a country that really appreciates this match? In Mexico today, everything stopped, woke up early for a sunday, or whatever, to watch their beloved Mexico play. OK.....back to my choices

2. Any Latin American team. I prefer it NOT be Argentina or Brazil. However, suffice to say, if a Latin American team does win, it will in fact probably one of those two team....

3. ??? I have not thought about it after that

kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:17:

Gringo wrote "I thought your team was 'the Corns'."

The Cornish play rugby not football.

el norteño says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:21:

mañana What? No love for los Estados Unidos?
I think we're going to upset the Czech Republic.

kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:31:

Actually since the odds makers are favouring the US to win it wouldn't be an upset. The odds makers are always a better judge of teams than FIFA rankings.

Today some US players were saying that they play a similar game to Holland (they wish), anyway they were going on record to say they would control the majority of the ball. Nedved doesn't need the ball for long though. If the US attacks they should do good, if they play defensively they will get caught by surprise.

Italy is favoured to come out on top in the group.

Simon says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:36:

"If the US wins, who is going to care? I can assure you, on the local news here in Chicago. If the Cubs win or lose, they will be covered first. If the White Sox win or lose, they will be next story. Then, the NBA playoffs. Then something about the Bears mini camp. And in the last 15 seconds, the fact that the US World Cup won a game will get a mere mention. Get the point? Nobody in this country care ab out the US soccer team, so I figure, why not give it to a country that really appreciates this match? In Mexico today, everything stopped, woke up early for a sunday, or whatever, to watch their beloved Mexico play."





Excellent Point! This is exactly why I don't want the US to win it all, a country that is so apathetic about soccer doesn't deserve it!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 21:06:

See Simon....we can agree on things Yea....that's about it. Look, in the morning, I'll go to work. I have my 5 inch B&W TV that I pop on my desk to watch the game. It's my World Cup TV because I only use it non stop every 4 years. Then, it's back to the cabinet. Anyway, I'll walk in the office, and everybody is going to be talking about the highlights of the Cubs and Sox (mostly Cubs). The US will be playing in only a couple of hours,yet nobody, I mean nobody will give a damn. In fact, the closest person that I can find that will be interested in the game, is a Mexican secretary who works down the hall but just so happens to want to see the US win as well as Mexico.

I think Simon is on to something, if the country does not even give a damn about its team, then....what's the point? The only thing I can say is this however, the more the team plays, the more people will take interest, and the further they go, the more the people will catch on. Look at it this way. Before, the Cup was played here in 94, soccer was just something people heard about, but it was played no where. Since that time. IN Suburban (white) America, soccer is very big in the high schools, and now in the universities. That's where the term "soccer mom" comes from. Also, considering how new it is here, our major league soccer has gotten to be quite a credible league. So.....although the support is not where I would like it to be, it's getting better. Oh, The Chicago Fire has expanded so much, as season ticket sales continue to do well, it is my understanding that they will soon be getting their own stadium in suburban Chicago.

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2006, 04:35:

In the Sunday paper here in Orlando World Cup was buried towards the back of the sports section. Nuff said.

Marcelo Balboa can't even name the players properly or the teams, if he a US footballer can't even get it right how can they expect Joe Public to cotton on.

In the US paper they rank Steven Gerrard as England's best player, must have been a scouse bastard that moved to the US.

Poor Little Scouser

He's only a poor little scouser
His face is all tattered and torn
He made me feel sick
So I hit him with a brick
And now he can't sing anymore!

johna says on Jun 12, 2006, 07:29:

West coast. I think soccer is getting bigger here on the west coast of the USA. I grew up in Oregon and my dad was a huge soccer fan so I am a little biased, but I played in HS and our team had a lot of support, ie people were interested. We also have a minor league team the Timberwolves who are very popular. Then I moved down to the California and saw that soccer was popular in this area too.
The San Jose team has a decent fan base, and it is not made up entirely of latinos as some people suggest. So Gozeman we may be in agreement. Miracle of miracles! Soccer is becoming more popular, but still not at the level I wish it were. I love those SMILFs too.
As to the fair and balanced thing, if you are using the fox news definition we are in agreement again.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 12, 2006, 08:58:

Johna.....& Kernow Miracles, that we're in agreement? Not at all. We may disagree a lot, but we always disagree in the same subject are. There are so many things to talk about, and so many people to share ideas with, that I feel confident that we could be "on the same page" in many areas. And, it looks like this is one of them. As long as when everyone logs in here and at the same time everyone says to themselves that today is a new day, then I feel confident that there are other areas that we can find a common ground. And, I tend to be a little privy to Fox News, which is one area that I know is not to well liked here.
Peace Johna....OK...back to football/soccer.

The kind of stuff that you experienced here out west pretty much happens here in the Chicago area. Soccer in the city per se does not have much support, but if you get into the suburbs, especially the middle/upper middle class suburbs, it is more popular.

Kernow, that really surprises me about Orlando. As we have talked about before, with the growing Latino population, I would have thought that there would be greater coverage of the Cup. Well, like I said, it will just take more time.

In the meantime, the US is starting and it's off to my 5 inch B&W TV on my desk...so Go US !!

Miguel says on Jun 12, 2006, 09:10:

Ok First of all to my buddy Pedro in Perth, congratulations!!!

Soccer in my hometown of St. Louis, Missouri, is, has been, and probably always will be very popular. Do a Google search and read about our soccer heritage.

Tengo que irme...CZE 1 USA 0

johna says on Jun 12, 2006, 09:24:

Paz a ti tambien G5. lets hope the US gets one soon.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2006, 13:57:

Uhmmm that cup smell Italy

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:16:

Ouch, I know England played poorly too, but a win is a win. The US didn't have the luxury of a win when playing poorly. They couldn't keep control like Holland does as they had predicted, and worse they couldn't penetrate the defense which is the Czech teams only slightly weak point. Italy has a great defense.

It isn't quite time to pack the bags back home to the land of Yanks, but as the US has never won a World Cup match in Europe I am not holding my breath.

G5 the Spanish language local papers may have covered it a bit more, but as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are baseball mad it wouldn't surprise me if the Spanish papers displayed a paucity of coverage.

utopiacowboy says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:18:

The US is playing in the World Cup? Who let that happen?

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platano says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:58:

UTC, They let them in and even let them be host in 1994 in Los Angeles, when the United States defeated Colombia in the World Cup, by a score of 2-1.

plátano

billyb says on Jun 12, 2006, 18:06:

Johna, the San Jose... Earthquakes just recently moved to Houston. they were going to be renamed "the 1836", which besides sounding stupid, was in celebration of the battle at the Alamo. The new ownwers finaly came to their senses and realised that it wasn't to smart to offend the mexican fan base.

BillyB

Gomezman5 says on Jun 12, 2006, 18:18:

As far as the US is concerned They are a bunch of Guevones

They played poorly. Kernow is right, if they could not penetrate the Czech offense, how do they think that they are going to defeat Italy, who has even a better offense. But it was not just just the Czech defense that shut them down. The US offense just could not seem to execute. Sure they caught a few bad breaks, but that was not an excuse for them being unable to set up and take some quality shots.The US looked tired, and disinterested.

If they don't come out better prepared against Italy, they will deserve the eminent early departure.

platano says on Jun 12, 2006, 21:39:

I'm still waiting for it to come true that it's possible that... ON ANY GIVEN DAY, Croatia could defeat Brazil... like maybe tomorrow? Anybody want to take the odds? I got this feeling tomorrow could be Croatia's day. 1-0 Croatia.plátano

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:29:

Platano..... Suffice to say, I would love to see Croatia beat Brazil. An early departure by Brazil would be the upset of all upsets.

OK, so I'm dreaming, but like Platano says...."On any given day...."

Miguel says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:38:

Croatia beating Brazil, G5? Since you are a Cubs fan, I understand that mentality, and respect it, but it ain't gonna happen. HOWEVER, if it does, I will go on record to cover your first night's expenses in your friend's wiskeria en Bogotá. Day two through ¿ día? you are on your own!

johna says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:52:

Billyb I had heard about them moving but didn't realize it happened already. That is a stupid name, and by the way didn't the texans get thumped at the Alamo. They should forget the Alamo, not remember it. What is the new name going to be?

utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:33:

The US team deserves an early exit not that anyone cares.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:45:

Re: US team & Brasil The US team has a shot at Italy...if Totti's leg isn't up to par and he can't play. That would be a stroke of good fortune. If not, just mail it in. BTW, who started this best team ever about the US team? I keep hearing ESPN mention it. Sounds ridiculous.

Brasil will put up numbers today. Ronaldo might get his record today. these dudes have been chomping at the bit since FIFA made them wait 4 days in to start their World cup. Sincerely doubt if we'll see an upset against Croatia, and that's not a knock against Croatia. However, Croatia will be probably be playing defensively, because one mistake with the ball will end up in points, anywhere on the pitch.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

platano says on Jun 13, 2006, 14:22:

Re: Croatia-Brazil match... Well... I got the 1-0 right! LOL!

plátano

el norteño says on Jun 13, 2006, 18:06:

Embarassment The US coughed up a goal in the 5th minute, and basically that ended the tournament for the US. Germany 06 lasted 5 minutes for US soccer fans.

robi666 says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:23:

Totti is ok... ;-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:26:

US soccer fans? I think the 5 of them chartered a Cessna to fly over there.

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2006, 20:11:

No Utopia, they are Americans, they used a self-powered hot air balloon. ;-)

kernow62 says on Jun 14, 2006, 10:10:

I thought they were fighters, not quitters. They aren't out of it yet, but are already resigned to leaving.

Dolfi says on Jun 15, 2006, 01:00:

Diego Maradona was cited in the german press this morning saying that Spain has the strongest team in this worldcup.

Miguel says on Jun 15, 2006, 02:26:

Those Spaniards! Indeed, very impressive; in particular the passing.

kernow62 says on Jun 15, 2006, 05:02:

Barca were helped by an early sending off of Arsenal's goalie (also Germany's goalie). I think Arsenal may have just pipped them in that game.

I would agree with the short fat guy from Argentina, Spain is in good form and has bags of talent. Their bench could eat many teams in the competition.

They deserve a win. So do Holland.

platano says on Jun 15, 2006, 05:49:

Yes, Spain looks good... better than Brazil's pathetic... one goal at the 44 minute mark against Croatia... Spain would make Brazil look like a school yard pick up team....plátano

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:27:

Gringodiego No Ukrnania is not that bad...not at all. When the other team takes the heart out of you and you lose the desire to fight, the momentum goes substantially to the winning team. Soccer is not like other sports. If you are down by 2 goals in the second half in World Cup competition, your chances of coming back are next to nothing. It's not like in baseball when you are down by a run in the bottom of the ninth, and you can easily come back to tie and win.

I agree with you assertion about Gringos complaining about Soccer and trying to tell THE REST OF THE WORLD what needs to be done to the game. Americans just have a different way of thinking. They like a lot of offense. Soccer is primarily a defense minded game. To Americans, if there is no scoring, it's a boring game.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:35:

By the way.....Germany...Ecuador The second half of yesterday's Germany / Poland match was so heavily dominated by Germany. Germany's offense tied up Poland in knots. Most of Poland could hardly take control of the ball.

And I agree that Brazil so far has looked less than impressive. But don't forget we set hight standards for what most would still consider a great team.

But,,,,don't count Germany out. Remember, all else being equal, they are playing in Germany and that gives them quite an advantage.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:58:

Ecuador....best record at this moment That is right, you read it. As of this moment, Ecuador has the best stats in the Cup competition. 2 wins combined with 5 goals and no goals against them, puts them at the top.

I told you guys (Kernow) last fall that they were quite a team. And Kernow, they're not playing in Quito, so they don't have that advantage that we argued about.

However, let's see what they will do with Germany. That will be one great match. Me thinks that they will give Germany a good work out. If they beat Germany (a big if) than to me, then anything is possible.

webmanco says on Jun 15, 2006, 08:04:

Óscar Julián Ruiz fue desig El Tiempo
Óscar Julián Ruiz fue designado por la Fifa para dirigir el partido número 22 del Mundial


Un Colombiano
El del viernes, en Stuttgart, será el cuarto partido mundialista del llanero Óscar Julián Ruiz, que en la imagen bromea con un balón. Se medirán Holanda y Costa de Marfil.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 09:10:

Well, at least Colombia is represented A ref is better than nothing.

utopiacowboy says on Jun 15, 2006, 11:26:

You're right, G'man. We like to see a lot of scoring - the national motto should be "The best defense is a good offense." I played high school and club soccer for many years as well as coaching kids teams but I just can't watch soccer.

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el norteño says on Jun 15, 2006, 16:50:

Opposite I'm a rarity. I never played it, but I enjoy watching it.

So far, Holland, Spain and Argentina have looked the brightest.
I'd like to see a new champion this time.

Brazil, again, would be boring. Besides, with Ronaldo sleep walking,
they can be beaten.

el norteño says on Jun 15, 2006, 16:50:

Opposite I'm a rarity. I never played it, but I enjoy watching it.

So far, Holland, Spain and Argentina have looked the brightest.
I'd like to see a new champion this time.

Brazil, again, would be boring. Besides, with Ronaldo sleep walking,
they can be beaten.

el norteño says on Jun 15, 2006, 16:50:

Opposite I'm a rarity. I never played it, but I enjoy watching it.

So far, Holland, Spain and Argentina have looked the brightest.
I'd like to see a new champion this time.

Brazil, again, would be boring. Besides, with Ronaldo sleep walking,
they can be beaten.

Simon says on Jun 15, 2006, 17:12:

"A ref is better than nothing."

G-man, don't forget that Ecuador's coach is colombian! And that Shakira herself will sing before the World Cup Final, which just happens to be the most watched event on earth.

BTW, I also hope that Brasil doesn't win again, I think we have to give others a chance to win too.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

kernow62 says on Jun 15, 2006, 20:46:

G5 yes Ecuador is looking good in the group stages, but the really great teams do their best after the group stages. Sometimes it pays to come out of the group not in first place.

Wasn't it Paraguay we were arguing about the altitude being their ally not Ecuador?

Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 20:48:

Simon....you are %100 correct I forgot that she will be staring in the World Cup Final
I also forgot about Ecuador's coach being Colombian,,,,In fact, many people have sais that despite their talent, he is the mastermind behing their success.

Lastly, I would love to see another team besides Brazil win. And the way they have been playing, that certainly seems within the realm of possibility.

I still like Germany. They look solid, but that home (host) country advantage gives them an edge. I really don't believe that France was the favorite in 98 when they hosted and won.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 16, 2006, 08:28:

Three times....and I could not log in....and why? Because I was logging in as GomeXman instead of Gomezman. You all are giving me an idenity crisis.

That's Ok, Mexico will win today. (I hope). As to the score???...who cares?? Just as long as they win.

kernow62 says on Jun 16, 2006, 08:47:

That is Argentina's second win. They are now the number 1 team in the World Cup.

They look like they might go all the way.

kernow62 says on Jun 16, 2006, 21:49:

Mexico - Angola 0 - 0.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 16, 2006, 22:23:

Yes sir...Mexico played lousy...but look, when you lose players like Borgetti, and Fonseca, your 2 most powerfull strikers, and 2 of the best in the game, you are not going to win. Borgetti has been hurt, Fonseca got hurt the other day and he was thrown in the game even though he was injured. This team revolved around
Borgetti, and Fonseca, and one would have to be a fool to think that Marquez could make a respectable offensive showing without the other two players. There were some (not many)good shots, but you have to give credit to Angola's keeper for his solid performance. I of course think Sanchez has a great future, I just hope he get some more offense.

Interestingly enough, this tie was a big tie. It keeps their chances alive for moving to the second round.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 08:13:

Portugal 2 Iran 0
Was that a surprise? I think not. Portugal is sure to move on to the next round. Now Mexico will have to fight for the second position.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:14:

Some of the worst officiating I have ever seen Does anyone want to be me that the ref for the US Italy game is going to get blacklisted? What an idiot. I realize that they do not have the benefit of instant replay, but some of the calls he is making are beyond acceptable.

Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:24:

What's wrong with the referee????????? How can he get away with what he is doing??????? Somebody stop that man!!!!!!!

USA deserves to win this game all the way.

Let's go USA!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:33:

Did not say that....... I knew someone would come up with a remark like that. Colombiche, I have been watch this game all my life. I either been to or watched well over a thousand. That gives me a little knowledge doesn't it?

The the ref...not the line judges, the ref, is being way to conservative against BOTH TEAMS. That is obvious. I am not just talking about the Red Card. He is giving out yellow cards in instances that in the South American league would at the most be called a foul.

vladimiro says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:58:

usa vs italy Americans should be grateful that Italy scored against itslef! That was an extremely lucky break. But from the announcers on ABC you get the impression that the US scored the goal:) Do you guys watch the American broadcasters or the Spanish? I had to change the channel from ABC to Univision the American broadcasters are so unsportman-like.

Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:04:

I don't care what you said Gomezman I said what I said, the fact that you have watched a zillion games doesn't change my opinion.

I said USA deserves to win, because given the big reputation that Italy had, they just couldn't score that second goal... come on.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:14:

He he he Gringodiego See you guys, I am heading out to little Italy, I am going to wave the US flag around.

Nothing personal against the bambinos, I am just a natural born instigator, jijiji....

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:36:

Oh Sure Vladimiro ABC is so biased....sure they are. And I guess you fell asleep or never heard Univision when a Latin American team, especially Mexico is playing against any other team. No bias there is there?

Last I recall, ABC (American Broadcast Network)is an American network. So, uh excuse me, aren't they supposed to be biased?

I suppose Caracol is perfectly Neutral when the cover Colombia against other teams.The comments you comedians make on this site.

utopiacowboy says on Jun 17, 2006, 15:46:

What's with the Italians and being offside? Some of them weren't even close. Come on guys. I thought the first red card was deserved but the rest of it was nonsense.

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kernow62 says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:24:

Utopia you are correct. The first red card was deserved, the second should have been a yellow. However the fullback with the African name on the US team should have received about 5 yellow cards. He was hanging all over anyone he was marking. Italy were onside on several of those runs and had they been called properly likely would have scored on at least one of those runs.

Italy played like crap, the ref was a moron and the US was a little better but still poor and they had some good luck today. The US coach looks like he has a dildo up his ass too!

utopiacowboy says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:52:

I thought that US guy deserved a yellow but a red at that point was too extreme. Give him a red later if he doesn't shape up. I agree that some of the offside calls were debatable but a lot of them were not. Italy was ridiculously offside a few times.

Ghana should send the US packing.

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:43:

Now I see the real Italy... too nice with Ghana. Our games are the ones when one or the other go out. The rest is for who enjoys well played matches...
Colombiche go, but I am sure none will notice you. They will give you back nice smiles. It is like if Italy wins a basketball game with USA... none would care, there is just one NBA. We are playing in two different leagues.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

vladimiro says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:53:

The technique was to foul the higher skilled Italians as soon as they crossed into the US half. Pope was yellow carded and faouled atleast 10 more times before red carded. He was not going to stop unless kicked out.

robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:07:

The problem with this match has been De Rossi red card. I know him, he is a nice guy. But, like Totti, he has grown up in Rome, in a suburb where you are used to fight and be the rude one. He gets excited so easily. Something happened with McBride. And like Totti four years ago, now he is history...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:10:

The first Red was an obvious one. It fell squarely within any set of rules because of the fact it appeared intentional and blood was drawn. But I agree with Kernow, as to the other two. The thing that makes these calls especially bad is that this is WC competition. You want to keep every focused, but a ref should think long and hard before he makes a fundimental change to a team that worked so hard to be where they are. In fact, in all my years, except when there was fight, I cannot remember the last time I saw 3 reds, even in friendly games where nothing was on the line.

Word coming back from ESPN is that this ref is from Uruguay and that in 2002 he was sanctioned for something he did and it was because of that sanction, he missed going to the Cup that year. I am sure that more will come out in the next day or so. I am curious. In all honesty, if this is true, with all the refs around the world, even taking into account the need for a fair share of Latinos, I have to believe they could have found someone more credible, and worthy of such an important honor.

As to Italy's and the US's play, I think you are being hard on both teams. What you did not mention, and I now will, is that the US actually did get 2 goals but for McBrides one foot on the edge that "obstructed" the goal keeper. That was a goal my man. I can assure you that about half of the refs would not have even called that one. So, give credit where it it's deserved.

The US doesn't have to pack its bags yet. If there is one thing that was proven in that division today, anything can happen on any given day. When the US got creamed by the Czechs, who would have thought they would even have had a chance against Italy? Nobody did. At the same time, since the Czechs did do so well against the US, who would have thought that Ghana would have had a chance against the Czechs? I can't say what will or will not happen, but anyone that thinks they have this division figured out, is just engaging in idle speculation. This division is wide open.

kernow62 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:13:

I wasn't being hard on both team, both teams played far below the level they should be playing at. The obstruction call was a good one, it is rare granted, but it was the proper call. I wouldn't like it if it was my team, but there you go.

The US plays using the hands a bit too much for my liking, perhaps that is the norm in CONCACAF but it is frowned upon in Europe.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:44:

Kernow You may have a point about the hands. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that in Europe, the only game in town is soccer, but here in the US, when a young kid has the inclination to be a pro athelete, he invariably samples the sports around him, all of which require the able use of his hands. That said, once he finally settles on soccer, he has to learn to leave the hand out of the picture. Keep in mind however that several of the US soccer players play in the European leagues. A few I believe play in England so they may use the hand too much, but Europe still likes them.

juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 22:11:

I didn't expect the US to play rather well today... ...because I expected much more out of Italy, truth be told...but the fouls, cards and general animosity pretty much ruined the game itself.

Hopefully they both do better next time (although my personal sympathies almost have to lie with Ecuador by default, I guess, since it's the closest available substitute for Colombia this time around...and their coach is Colombian too).

kernow62 says on Jun 18, 2006, 05:10:

G5 most of the American players in the UK play for lower teams, or play a position that using the hands is important. ;-) Those on the main teams are often the second string to use an Americanism. Now Manchester United's young study Rossi is from New Jersey, although he is Italian. He will make a fine player. Too bad he doesn't want to play for the US.

French players are far more popular in the UK, just shows when it comes to football we can put aside our differences.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 18, 2006, 20:48:

Good Point Gringodiego I think this is the best post you have made on this thread Gringo. All your "Considerings" says a lot. All these people who never can give the US credit for anything, would rather say that Italy played poorly than give the US credit for anything. Isn't it possible that the US happened to put on a fairly effective defense to the exent tha it complicated Italy's offensive drive. Italy, did not move the ball as well as they are know for. On the other hand, I still don't think that Italy has been able to replace the likes of the great striker, Christian Vieri.

All said however, I think that unfortunately, the US is going to have one hell of a hard time advancing. Their biggest problem is not only do they only have one point at this time, but of greater significance is that their GF GA ratio is very bad. (GF 1, GA 4)Even if the US defeats Ghana, (a tie will not work under any circumstances)the US still may not advance unless Italy beats the Czechs. If the Czechs beat Italy, the US will need to have scored a lot of goals against Ghana (which is unlikely since Ghana has only given up 2). Or Italy will have to give up a lot of Goals to the Czechs. (which is also unlikely)

My guess: Because that GF/GA ratio will haunt them, I think Italy and the Czechs move to the next round. Iran and the US, go home, or stick around to watch the games of their choosing.

vladimiro says on Jun 18, 2006, 22:18:

The US played surprisingly well though they still have not scored a single goal, and I think they may leave the cup without scoring a single goal.

el norteño says on Jun 19, 2006, 17:53:

Kernow Reyna , when healthy, starts for Man City.
McBride was the leading scorer for Fulham.
Bocanegra also plays for Fulham.
The only American keeper in the Premier league is Friedel, who retired from international soccer.

Get your facts straight.

You remind me of an Englishman I met in Medellin.
He told me if the US ever won the World Cup he'd stop watching soccer. I replied , you better prepare yourself for never watching soccer someday. Eventually, it's going to happen. You just can't stop it. I know that keeps certain people up at night.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 19, 2006, 20:42:

El Norteno.......how right you are!! I agree. There are people that would rather see the game of soccer die before the the US becomes World Cup Champs. These people are so silly. What they can't seem to explain is how the US has come this far so fast. The US only qualified in 94 because it was the host country. since then, the US has been a very powerfull team to be respected. It has beaten the best of the best in competition and friendly matches. FIFA ranks them very high, including, uhhhhh (GOD forgive me for saying this) higher than Colombia. So they have come a long way in the development of their soccer program, and logic and common sense dictates that their day to win the Cup will come sooner than later.

I am sure of course, the day the win the Cup, a bunch of brain trusts on this site will assert that it was "fixed."

Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 21:05:

Yeah well, and one day Colombia will also win the cup.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

vladimiro says on Jun 19, 2006, 21:23:

Slogans on the team buses The winning slogans:
Angola - "Angola lead the way – our team is our people"
Argentina - "Get up, Argentina are on the move"
Australia - "Australia Socceroos – Bound for glory"
Brazil - "Vehicle monitored by 180 million Brazilian hearts"
Costa Rica- "Our army is the team, our weapon is the ball. Let's go to Germany and give it our all"
Côte d'Ivoire - "Come on the Elephants! Win the cup in style"
Croatia – "To the finals with fire in our hearts"
Czech Republic – "Belief and a lion's strength, for victory and our fans"
Ecuador – "Ecuador my life, football my passion, the cup my goal"
England - "One Nation, One Trophy, Eleven Lions"
France – "Liberté, egalité, Jules Rimet"
Germany - "For Germany, through Germany"
Iran - "Stars of Persia"
Italy – "Blue pride, Italy in our hearts"
Japan - "Light up your Samurai spirit!"
Korea Republic - "Never-ending legend, united Korea"
Ghana – "Go Black Stars, the stars of our world"
Mexico - "Aztec passion across the world"
Netherlands – "Oranje on the road to gold"
Paraguay – "From the heart of America... this is the Guarani spirit"
Poland – "White and red, dangerous and brave"
Portugal – "With a flag in the window and a nation on the pitch. Força Portugal"
Saudi Arabia - "The Green Hawks cannot be stopped"
Serbia and Montenegro - "For the love of the game"
Spain – "Spain. One country, one goal"
Switzerland – "2006, it's Swiss o'clock"
Sweden – "Fight! Show spirit! Come on! You have the support of everyone"
Togo – "A passion to win and a thirst to succeed"
Trinidad and Tobago - "Here come the Soca Warriors – the fighting spirit of the Caribbean"
Tunisia – "The Carthage Eagles... higher and stronger than ever"
Ukraine – "With our support, Ukraine cannot fail to win!"
USA - "United we play, United we win"

Gomezman5 says on Jun 19, 2006, 22:21:

Simon.....honestly I would love to see Colombia win the Cup. In all honesty, at this point, I would rather see Colombia win the Cup before the US. Soccer is more of a national sport in Colombia than here in the US. If Colombia would win, the country would go......nuts and then some. Here in the states, with the Cubs 15 games out of first, clearly out of the penant race, they still would get more coverage than the the US would if they were to win the Cup.

Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 23:01:

OK, Gomez you're alright. I'm sorry if I was a bit hard on you in that other thread. Just be nice.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

gringolondinense says on Jun 20, 2006, 04:47:

England play tonight... gonna kick ass!

el norteño says on Jun 20, 2006, 09:24:

Colombia winning the Cup? It could happen. In fact they had a team with enough talent to win it in 94. That was a fantastic team.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 09:56:

Thanks Simon We're OK. You know I have my way. I love Colombia, I'm just hard on her sometimes. But, I am hard on myself and the US as well. One thing I will say and I think you will agree with me about this and that is that Colombia has the worlds most beautiful, sexy, and sensual women. And I will believe that until the day I die.

Back to the Cup.

Well, as I posted above at least twice, people are totally underestimating German and the host country advantage. Based on the result so far, it appears I am correct. They slaughterd Ecuador. And I don't want to hear this nonsese that Ecuador played poorly. Germany was so effecive in preventing from putting on any kind of offense. They shut Ecuador down. Just look at the totals. On the other hand, let me offer this perspective, it was already predetermined that both Ecuador and Germany were advancing so they had nothing to lose. So keep your eyes on Germany.

Simon says on Jun 20, 2006, 10:09:

Yeah, too bad that '94 team did not live up to its potential.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 11:46:

Ok fine 94....but enough of 94 Look, we need to stop living in the past. In fact, I will go a step further, we need to look at 98. Why 98? Because 98 was the year that it was obvious that certain player should have never been on that team. Valderrama, Asprilla, and Rincon ???--come on, these guy were old. The problem that in Colombia is the same problem that has plaqued other Latin American teams. Instead of picking the best players, politics governed the selection proccess. In the case of Colombia, during the 80's and early 90s (especially 94)it was commonly believed that the mafiosos had a "say" in who represented was on Team Colombia. Let's look at Brazil. Why are they so great? And why have they consistently been a competitor? Because they start their players young and they pick their national teams based on performance and not politics.

kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 12:33:

Gomez wrote that because Ecuador and Germany are already through to the next round a win didn't matter.

Not quite correct, a German win means they play the second place team in the England group. I am positive Germany would rather play the Swedes than the English team. Likewise I am sure that England would rather play Ecuador, unless the weather is hot, in which case England better score often and early.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 13:57:

Kernow....I agree with you I momentarily lost site of the fact that where you finish determines which team you will play in the second round. Good Point

kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 18:22:

I am disappointed, but the result was not a loss, so what can you say. I think England won the first half and Sweden the second half. England stopped attacking after each goal and that is not the way to play English football.

el norteño as I said lesser teams, no need to get my facts straight. Fulham finished 12th and Man City 15th. Manchester United has/had an American goalie, Tim Howard, so get your facts straight mate. You also left out Manchester United's Giuseppe Rossi who is well on his way to being a fantastic striker, he's from NJ.

kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 19:18:

Just for the record, it is a remarkable achievment for any American player to pla