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Why people love to talk bad about El Poblado?

Some pictures from my apartment over El Poblado.

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By robi666 on Mar 22, 2008, 09:58 in Friendly Talkzone.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:01:

It can be far from any "real" experience, can be superficial, can be "cold".
You can hate the people living there.

But it is cool and clean, you have a nice breeze blowing almost constantly, it is green (to be a city), air is clearer.
It is silent and private.

It is not a tourist place where to look for real Colombia, but it is a damn nice place to live.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:19:

Not a Black Pigeon in sight.............

the middle pic............don't you know you are not allowed to grow dope on your balcony...??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:25:

I forgive you for living in El Poblado :O)

Definitely know what you mean..... it's a beautiful neighborhood.

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Walking in El Poblado

A view from the the family room in a friends apartment.

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RAAAY says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:29:

.The view from Robi's place is nice...................This is a pic of his " apt ' in Poblado from outside...

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

RAAAY says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:33:

But Robi's finca....up the coast....has some nice trees around it......

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:40:

Typical building garden zone. Nice and thoughtful design.
Build to last, and for comfort.

And entrance.

yummyj says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:51:

people talk bad about it because too many foreigners live there and too many foreigners go there.

mranderson says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:55:

that is nice. Can you play your stereo loud?

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:04:

too many foreigners live there... where? You can hardly meet a gringo who lives in El Poblado.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:10:

robiee666 you're posh

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:13:

nothing like my view :)))

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:18:

Robi666,

How are your neighbors?

Do they treat you like a foreigner or just another person on the planet?

Great photos..... something about all that green makes you feel awhole lot better about waking up each day.

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robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:20:

True, PepeA.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:25:

M_T,
I mostly do not like people here, like I don't like rich Colombians. There's too much snobbish and racism going around here.
But, it has to be said, it was developed as a matter of surviving.

To answer your question, they treat you nice and just like another person on the planet. Surely you're not Mr Rich Gringo around here

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:35:

So they aren't the type of Paisas who would invite you over for dinner?

Why is it that the less affluent Paisas always go out of their way to make sure you're happy, but the ones with money, make it a point to let you know they have money?

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:39:

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Enjoying the view from Barrio El Ajizal, after having dinner at some paisas home.

The greenery and mountians helps put a smile on your face.

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robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:57:

Creepy... but completely true.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:02:

I am neither well-educated, nor rich (grew up on the streets) but have been invited to many homes by "rich" Colombians living in El Poblado, as well as out to dinner at Parque Lleras on some occasions. My experience is that they did not seem snobby during our extended conversations. I ask a whole lot of interesting questions of everyone I meet in Colombia. I guess a big part is in how you present yourself.

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robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:08:

M_T
"Something about all that green makes you feel awhole lot better about waking up each day."

Where else can you have a perfect climate and a tropical garden waiting for you when you wake up?

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Simon says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:08:

"I know many rich Colombians in Poblado who are just as warm and friendly as any Colombian. They are not snobby at all. However, they avoid lower class people because usually lower class people are just interested in their money. It is not that they do not want to be friendly with lower class people it is just they have learned that it is dangerous to do so. Some people may consider this snobby but it really is just a survival tactic."

I agree with this 100%!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:16:

My child loves those palm trees...
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durito says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:18:

I always read here that Poblado is now over run with Gringos, yet every time i go there (which admittedly isn't too often) I never see any gringos.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:24:

Durito, I see your point.
If you go to Lleras on Saturday night, you'll happen to see a lot of gringos. How many of them are not tourists and live in Medellin, or better, live in El Poblado? Not many for sure.
Also, there is some place where they use to meet. As an example, there is a corriente place restaurant en la 9 near El Parque where they use to meet for lunch.
Outside there, you can rarely spot one in Oviedo or El Tesoro.

But, I would say not the 0.01% of the population in El Poblado is gringos.

durito says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:30:

Sure. Given the amount of hostels near Lleras these days I'm sure there's plenty out in the bars and clubs. Though, it kind of surprises me that backpackers can afford to go to these places.

But, like you and Pepe said, there's very few living there, which certainly kills the assertion made by some people that gringos are contributing to rising real estate prices.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:34:

I didn't see any gringos out on the streets over my first three trips, not including backpackers in Parque Lleras. On my fourth I met two guys walking into Hotel Portabon, on business.

The backpackers may hang out close to Parque Lleras, but I've never seen them step one foot into any of the establishments.

I'm on the streets most of the day and no sight of a gringo invasion.

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mranderson says on Mar 22, 2008, 13:10:

a couple million bucks is not considered rich?

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 13:28:

Not to rich people with lots, and lots of money.... the rest of us are your typical NMG ;O)

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Cheers Terry says on Mar 22, 2008, 13:43:

Robi, I think you explained it very accurately.

Personally I couldn't live in a neighbourhood so cold and sterile - I like a little hip street action and decent local watering holes - but I can certainly understand why you like sleeping there.

I don't know when you bought your apartment, but a few years ago (in hindsight) certainly some of the best urban real estate deals in Latin America were available there.

Nice photos. Thanks for posting them.

Cheers,
Terry

tejasmarcos says on Mar 22, 2008, 13:52:

i am the coolest gringo in poblado. just ask me.

god is in your head

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:05:

Sorry, tejasmarcos... but I'm the coolest gringo in El Poblado, and I don't even live there. When you're cool, you're cool.

Cheers Terry,
I'm with you. I like the street action as well.

robi666,
What type of camera do you have?

The colors on your first photos are very saturated, then the pic of your kid, looks somewhat like it was shot on HD.

PepeA,
Hold on to my battery charger, will be back in a few weeks.

I"m a NMG with attitude :O)

It's springtime in Chicago and it's SNOWING OUT!

This NMG is gonna check out the Bulls game tonight with some MG's later tonight.

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BillBigD says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:08:

Medellin Traveler says on Saturday March 22nd, 2008 11:35:
Why is it that the less affluent Paisas always go out of their way to make sure you're happy, but the ones with money, make it a point to let you know they have money?

Then you write

Medellin Traveler says on Saturday March 22nd, 2008 12:02:

I am neither well-educated, nor rich (grew up on the streets) but have been invited to many homes by "rich" Colombians living in El Poblado, as well as out to dinner at Parque Lleras on some occasions. My experience is that they did not seem snobby during our extended conversations. I ask a whole lot of interesting questions of everyone I meet in Colombia. I guess a big part is in how you present yourself.

So they aren't snobby, but let you know how much money they have? I'm confused? What are you trying to say?

miamimike says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:09:

durito says on Saturday March 22nd, 2008 12:30:

Sure. Given the amount of hostels near Lleras these days I'm sure there's plenty out in the bars and clubs. Though, it kind of surprises me that backpackers can afford to go to these places.
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They can afford to go to "these Places" because they don't blow all their $$ on $100 per Night Hotel Rooms!

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:11:

NMG? I had to look that one up. Do you mean "New Money Gansta"?

Oh Stewardess, I DON'T speak jive.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:14:

M_T, the saturated picture is taken with a Nikon Coolpix 5000 and a fisheye. The light through the fisheye is never enough, and colors are not good with that old cheap camera. It is saturated on computer. I like that way, we are in Colombia.

The picture of my son is taken with a Canon EOS 20D with a fixed 50 mm - f/1,8. A decent setup for portraits, not too expensive.

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:17:

Robi is right on. I love Poblado and it is on my short list of places to buy property, although that probably won't happen for a while. I have a lot of family that lives there and all their places are awesome. I also have family that lives in some of the newest buildings in Los Rosales in Bogota, but I much prefer the ones in Medellin. I wouldn't guess that Poblado would be a great tourist destination, but I'm not really on the tourist vibe when I go there. I am usually hanging out with family and eating a lot.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:19:

BillBigD says, "So they aren't snobby, but let you know how much money they have? I'm confused? What are you trying to say?"

I believe one was more of a question, the other a comment from my personal experience.

Hope it makes sense.

I've never seen any Colombians, beside paracos/mafioso, show off because they have wealth. But, you can usually tell when someone has money by the way they carry themselves.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:24:

I know plenty of people who show off their wealth without being narcos. There are pretentious douchebags everywhere. Do you know for a fact that those who you see showing off their wealth are criminals?

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:36:

In this specific case, yes. The whole crew was criminal.

El Jefe acknowledged my presence after seeing me around town for a few days. None of the gang talked to me, much less made eye contact.

After about the fourth day, El Jefe acknowledges my presence by asking me how I was doing in perfect English. Afterwards, the gang was allowed to acknowledge my presence and look in my general direction.

I guess I won him over after they watched me drink like RAAAY. They got a kick out of how much I was drinking at the bar, shots, beers, and mixed drinks.

There were five bodyguards with El Jefe at all times, along with girls, girls, girls.

The bartender shook her head everytime I ordered another drink.

Then.... El Jefe paid for my drinks.

Afterwards, I met my paisa friends after work and we went out for dinner and drinks in Parque Lleras and I tried to convince them to join me in "dine and dash" after dinner :O) They thought I was loco, but got a kick out of it.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:39:

MT, Do you still have your Mexican accent? How long have you lived in Colombia? My family in Colombia often gives me shit because they say I sometimes sound kind of Mexican. I spent a lot of time in Mexico DF as a teeneager and have a bunch of Chilango friends so I guess it makes sense.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:39:

most of the wealthy i see here in south medellin are not narcos. they are still snobby, no doubt about that.

however, they will never reach the limits of snob behavior afforded by their northamerican counterparts. the level of "flash" here is also WAY, WAY less. i do not see too many people here wearing $400 loafers/dress shoes that i see back in the states. labels like salvatore ferragamo, giorgio armani (suits), and canali do not even exist here.

in north dallas, if your car and watch do not equate to atleast $75,000 combined, chances are that you are out of your league. if your home/condo is not in excess of $350,000 AND located in the right neighborhood (school district), you are out of your league. and that's just the wanna be's....

in poblado, if you have a toyota prado, a gucci watch and own any apartment close to oviedo or tesoro mall(s), you are in the club.

god is in your head

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:47:

ColombiaGringo,
I don't live in Colombia, I wish.

I have a chi-town accent. because I'm from chee-ka-go.

HaHa. I'm invited to dinner tonight, downtown Chicago, before the Bulls game and I'm wearing ripped jeans, gym shoes, and a bulls baseball cap with my tag huer watch.

I look like money, beeeeeaatch!

The people who live downtown Chicago and have money, don't show off their wealth. I fit right in 'cause I ain't got nothing to show off.

I'm just a NMG with a big heart....I guess.

Oh, forgot to mention my $5 haircut I got this afternoon. S W E E T !

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robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:50:

Cheers Terry
"Personally I couldn't live in a neighbourhood so cold and sterile - I like a little hip street action and decent local watering holes - but I can certainly understand why you like sleeping there.

I don't know when you bought your apartment, but a few years ago (in hindsight) certainly some of the best urban real estate deals in Latin America were available there."

I know what you're talking about.

I also have a place in Santa Marta. That's a different life and I love to change: two months there of different life and I am back to Medellin to rest.

I was living in Cartagena on my sailboat when I first got to Medellin some years ago. I did not know what to expect. I was looking for a place to live in Cartagena or Santa Marta, but I was never satisfied with what I was looking.
When I got here, I immediately sensed that this would become one of the best cities that I have ever seen. It was a kind of feeling more than rational thought. It's the people, more than the place.

So I decided to visit a property sold by Conavi (Bancolombia now) and bought the apartment in 10 minutes. My 315 sqm penthouse went for around 90k dollars and I spent 10k to renew it... would be around 320k to buy it now. Good move...

BillBigD says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:51:

Texasmarcos-I didn't realize you were in Dallas. We should meet for a drink sometime.
MT-got ya

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:55:

tm, Have you priced a Prado lately? I know that a 4Runner like mine goes for about $75,000 USD in Colombia although it is only about $40K here. I think the Prado is about the same there depending on the specific model.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:56:

robi666,

I'm waiting for Netflix to deliver....

MAFIOSO (1962)
Directed by Alberto Lattuada

When the mob decides to call in a favor, factory exec Antonio Badalamenti (Alberto Sordi) finds himself in the unlikely role of Mafia assassin in this Golden Globe-nominated Italian crime drama that deftly walks the line between comedy and tragedy. Tapped by a Sicilian don to perform a hit in New York, the inexperienced Antonio must somehow carry out his mission, all the while keeping his criminal connections hidden from his unsuspecting family.

Have you seen it?

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:56:

MT, Life is funny. You live in Chicago and want to be in Medellin. My cousin lives in Poblado, yet he is absolutely in love with Chi-town. In fact, last time I stayed with him in Medellin, he showed me his entire album of photos from his last trip to Chicago.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 14:57:

A basic Prado, 2 doors, goes for around 60,000,000.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:01:

Yes I did, although I cannot remember if it is good or not. Wish I could see it with you, I miss the old Italian comedies...

Cheers Terry says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:01:

Thanks for the background info, Robi.

I'm another one of the innumerable gringos who went to Medellin for a few days, ended up staying a few weeks, and am now investigating buying a place so I can split my time between Canada (in the summer) and Colombia (obviously, in the winter.)

I work in a business (film production) that is easily applied in Colombia, so I'm quite excited about the whole prospect. Of course I wish I had been hip to the place sooner though. Even 5 years ago would have been an enormous difference over today's prices.

This forum is a great source of inspiration. Wade through all the usual crap and there's some incredible info here from some very knowledgeable and smart gringos. It's a joy to read the real scoop from people who've lost the rose coloured glasses and tell it like it is.

Thanks again.

Cheers,
Terry

tejasmarcos says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:02:

chicago is a great city for the states. it would be one of my picks as well if i was from medellin.

BBD - i might be back for a visit around june. we could meet at chumps (champs) in las colinas. jajajaja. i've worn out every watering hole there is in that town. north fort worth is where i call home when i'm not hangin with the thugs in medellin ;)

originally from d-ville if you know where that is. we had a famous high school girls basketball dynasty and coach. they had a decade run of being the best in the state.

god is in your head

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:03:

That is the absolute rock bottom base Sumo model. I think there are other models that go anywhere from 90.000.000 to 200.000.000. That is pretty reasonable by US standards, but 60.000.000 ain't chump change in Colombia

tejasmarcos says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:21:

what happened to the future CEO of suprise, suprise, inc.? is he out playing tennis with the ricos?

god is in your head

Frank Rizzo says on Mar 22, 2008, 15:39:

The 4 door Prado is okay..but the 2 door ones are the size of a go-cart.

capt_j says on Mar 22, 2008, 16:13:

Why are cars so expensive in Colombia? Somebody mentioned the import duty? I read someplace Peugeot has a factory in Colombia, does anybody else manufacture cars in Colombia?

If I lived there, I would want to have a vehicle, but only to go out to the country. Driving in the city is just too hair-raising. Of course the cratered roads you see out in the country are pretty hair-raising too.

Lcacique says on Mar 22, 2008, 17:23:

Everybody and their mother drives a Renault.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

Enrique187 says on Mar 22, 2008, 17:58:

what percentage of the Medellin population lives in el Poblado, and it is a large or small sector of the city?

pedro says on Mar 22, 2008, 18:47:

Renault and Chevrolet are local in Colombia. Don't know if there are more...

Here's the definitive link for new car prices:
http://www.motor.com.co/noticias_precios/precios_revista_motor/precios...

Prado Sumo 62mm
Prado VX 90mm

¡save pow wow!

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 18:52:

Those prices are for the stripped down versions in both ranges. There are also "Japanese" and "European" versions of the Prado that cost way more.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 18:54:

Colombian Prado and Burbuja are still the old models. There are many advantages in owning an old one, especially for a costeno.

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 22, 2008, 18:56:

Yeah. But you see a lot of the other versions as well. I think the traditional Prados are ugly as sin. The two door looks like a mutant Rav 4. Still, it is a Toyota truck and consequently a great vehicle. I am on my second 4Runner and neither was ever in the shop for anything besides brake pads.

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 19:10:

"Enrique: what percentage of the Medellin population lives in el Poblado, and it is a large or small sector of the city?"

La Comuna del Poblado tiene una extensión de 1.432,58 hectáreas, equivalentes al 39% del total de la
ciudad.
Su topografía en general es suave, ondulada, con pendientes entre el 10% y 25% y las pendientes más fuertes varían de 25 a 60%, tiene un relieve abrupto, con crestas o cimas poco redondeadas, cerros bajos con laderas poco disertadas.
Las quebradas principales como la Poblada y la Aguacatala, presentan disección profunda (hasta 40 metros.) lo que ocasiona gran inestabilidad en sus vertientes.
Otra característica de estos terrenos son las zonas pantanosas y cenagosas, donde la reptación de los terrenos hacia los causes ha formado topografías cerradas.

De acuerdo con las cifras presentadas por el Anuario Estadístico de Medellín de 2005 , El Poblado cuenta con una población de 94,704 habitantes, de los cuales 53,561 son hombres y 41,143 son mujeres.La gran mayoría de la población está por debajo de los 39 años (63.9%) del cual el mayor porcentaje lo aporta la población adulta joven (39.4%) con rango de edad de 15 a 39 años. Sólo un 5.6% representa a los habitantes mayores de 65 años es decir la población de la tercera edad.
Según las cifras presentadas por la Encuesta Calidad de Vida 20053 el estrato socioeconómico que predomina en El Poblado es el 6 (alto), el cual comprende el 66.5 % de las viviendas; seguido por el estrato 5 (medio-Alto), que corresponde al 27.5 %; estas condiciones socioeconómicas caracterizan la totalidad de los barrios de esta comuna, con excepción de algunos sectores que presentan un significativo número de viviendas, el estrato 4 (medio) corresponde al 4.2% y en los estratos 3 (medio-bajo) con el 1.3 % y 2 (bajo) con el 0.5%.
El Poblado, se desarrolla en una extensión de 1.432,58 hectáreas, con una densidad de 66 habitantes por hectárea siendo la más baja de la ciudad.

miamimike says on Mar 22, 2008, 21:33:

capt_j says on Saturday March 22nd, 2008 16:13:

Why are cars so expensive in Colombia? Somebody mentioned the import duty? I read someplace Peugeot has a factory in Colombia, does anybody else manufacture cars in Colombia?
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Capt_i--------the Colombian Goverment imposes an Import Tax of around 33% on cars imported from the USA to Colombia. Consequently, this drives up the price of Used Cars on the market in Colombia. Imagine used car prices here in the USA if we taxed every new vehicle to enter the country at 33%,,,

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morphus says on Mar 23, 2008, 10:46:

LOL...Poblado! You are still a 5 minute car ride from shit hole Centro :)

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 10:53:

It depends on traffic and where in El Poblado. 5 minutes seems short time...

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 23, 2008, 15:05:

ColombianoGringo says, "MT, Life is funny. You live in Chicago and want to be in Medellin. My cousin lives in Poblado, yet he is absolutely in love with Chi-town. In fact, last time I stayed with him in Medellin, he showed me his entire album of photos from his last trip to Chicago."

Have him get in touch with me. We can switch jobs for the winter months in Chicago :O)

Cheers Terry says, "I work in a business (film production) that is easily applied in Colombia, so I'm quite excited about the whole prospect"

Interesting. Maybe, we can work on a project together. I'm into film producion as well.

tejasmarcos says, "chicago is a great city for the states. it would be one of my picks as well if i was from medellin."

Agree. Chicago is a great city, and I see so many similarities between Medellin and Chicago that if I moved to Medellin it would be like living in a sister city, which I am still working on here in chi-town.

robi666 says, "Yes I did, although I cannot remember if it is good or not. Wish I could see it with you, I miss the old Italian comedies..."

Where do you get your fix for foreign films in Medellin? Cable?

Discussion during dinner and the Bulls game last night was about Medellin, my friends are very interested in what's happening in my favorite Colombian city, as well as a project that I may develop into a feature film for Bernie Mac and Cedric the Entertainer, it's a comedy that I pitched last year to several producers. I've been too busy with things Colombia for a better part of the last 12 months... but they like my pitch and have asked me to develop it further I was the only NMG at the table..... it was a great time on their dime :O)

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 23, 2008, 19:32:

Why people like to talk bad about Poblado?

Because they can`t live there, they are jealous.

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 19:47:

Lisa, I guess you perfectly know where my pictures were taken from...

gringoloid says on Mar 23, 2008, 19:53:

Lisa Zee.................why do we have so many threads on Poblado and where you should live in Medellin? We don't talk like this in Bogota.

Lisa Zee says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:00:

Because nobody has been picking on a specific area of Bogota.... yet.

El Poblado is bigger than you can imagine, is not just parque lleras.

Robi666, not exactly, but I know the area, very beautiful pics.

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:05:

Yeah. It seems like they keep pushing "Poblado" farther out.

Lisa Zee says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:15:

I don`t think there is any land to be build any more, some areas are overbuild.
When I was growing up, El Poblado was the best area of Medellin, and still is, but before there were big, huge houses, some areas still have them. El Poblado has many different sections.
I read a post about it here.

Lisa Zee says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:30:

Oh yeah, Have you ever been to "El Club Campestre" I wonder what is the value of that gorgeous place?. I went to many "qinceaneras, and weddings, and I loved to go swimming there, I can only get to see it from my apartment, but have not been inside there in years.

Lisa Zee says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:37:

Pobrecitas!

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:58:

I went there a few times as a kid with my cousins. We mainly went there to swim as well.

robi666 says on Mar 24, 2008, 02:10:

El Club Campestre golf court is what you see in the first two pictures, Lisa, I thought you got it. Aren't we neighbour?

http://www.clubcampestre.com.co/

To be using it permanently, you have to pay 20 millions of pesos. That's a fee that will make you an owner of it. I don't know which % of ownership is associated with the fee. the ownership will be transmitted to your children.
Else, you pay a monthly fee, like 700,000. That's for you and your family.
Then a small fee for each activity.

Technically, El Club Campestre can never be sold. That's why if you possess an apartment in front of it, you'll have one of the best view of Medellin forever.

You get into the ownership of the Campestre in Llanogrande as well.

robi666 says on Mar 24, 2008, 02:42:

I believe Pepe's piece of land, and land in general, can be sold at around 1,000,000 pesos per m2, if it was not developed.
Go figure the price of El Campestre. What is it? 15 ha? 150,000 m2.
Gringo prices for sure... :)

Ctg Bound says on Mar 24, 2008, 05:24:

robi666,

Depends on the area but 1,000,000 pesos per m2 is to little, I would double that and more, several times the above I expect.

morphus says on Mar 24, 2008, 06:49:

What about chicas? With all that money, a gringo should be able to go to any modeling agency in Colombia and pick out the best chicas. Most end up with prepagos anyway :)

Ctg Bound says on Mar 24, 2008, 06:59:

PepeA,

The mansion wouldn't be worth anything.

The last information in regards to El Poblado is over a year out of date, lots were generally going for about 1.8 million a square meter then, lower down, not up on the mountain.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 24, 2008, 07:47:

ufffff. this thread got a little too clasista for me! i'm headed over to envigado now......

Poblado - "Beverly Hills of Colombia" - LOL!

god is in your head

morphus says on Mar 24, 2008, 07:58:

Ha Ha...Beverly Hills! If it was'nt for the cheap booze and prepagos, Poblado would be as exciting as Scranton, Pennsylvania.

robi666 says on Mar 24, 2008, 11:23:

Poblado is not exciting at all, Morphus.

After all, you know that Parque Lleras is just a small zone that happens to be in El Poblado but has nothing to do with the comuna itself. Which is a residential neighborhood. Silent, reserved, clean. No party on the streets, not even on new years eve.

Ctg is right, the mansion would not be worth anything. And yes, I was too conservative in my evaluation.

manINred says on Mar 24, 2008, 12:59:

Actually, it's really called "El Poblacho"... and one can easily hazard a guess as to why ;)

MitchAlvarez says on Mar 24, 2008, 13:24:

Hey I actually like El Poblado but I think Laureles is better. I like that its more central.

I have a residence in both el Poblado and Laureles and I usually stay at Laureles when im in town.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

pedro says on Mar 24, 2008, 13:39:

When I first came to live in El Poblado, I thought it was a bit sterile. I wanted something with more flavour.

I had a change of circumstances and ended up living in a decent estrato 4 street in Manga, Cartagena. After six months of this, I'm ready to make a run back to the conjunto cerrado.

Sometimes you get tired of the noise pollution coming from the street. Because of the lack of trust of strangers in Colombia, opening up the front of your house and having passers by looking in the window can be a problem. A more exaggerated problem for a gringo, depending on what stuff you have in the house.

You don't want to make too many enemies in that kind of environment, given the easy availability of weapons in Colombia and the fact that anyone could potentially just walk up on the street and shoot into your house.

I can completely sympathise with the desire to insulate a little bit from society. You can then choose to engage with it on your own terms.

Having said that, I like Laureles better than Poblado. It's greener, flatter and more walkable. I like the vibe of people in Laureles too... just my personal choice.

I know families around Colombia that provide cellphone minutes or whatever from out their living room window. I'm used to a non-Colombian level of privacy and could never see myself doing that.

¡save pow wow!

robi666 says on Mar 24, 2008, 14:09:

Pedro, I agree on everything, but El Poblado is by far greener that Laureles.

Ctg Bound says on Mar 24, 2008, 14:25:

Yeah robi666, Laureles isn't green at all compared with El Poblado.

Cerealkiller says on Mar 24, 2008, 14:29:

Poblado Beverly Hills of Colombia? HAHAHAHA Had you said Medellin I would have perhaps not found it as funny, but Pepe you need to get out of there and explore Colombia!!!

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

MitchAlvarez says on Mar 25, 2008, 04:53:

Poblado is greener.
But I rarely see people walk in El Poblado.
This isnt the case in Laureles.

Hey nothing against El Poblado and I understand the whole Im a foreigner and need safety issue but its not like Laureles is a Communa or something.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

robi666 says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:34:

Nothing wrong with Laureles, there are more people walking on the streets, more tiendas, etc.
For some reasons, Laureles is not thrashed like El Poblado.
Laureles is as safe as El Poblado.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:46:

itagui! itagui! itagui!

god is in your head

mranderson says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:47:

tejas do you live in itagui?

robi666 says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:51:

No, he goes there everyday to visit his uncle who's in the jail there. He gets orders and transmit them to Ray, who rides his motorbike up on the hill and distribute them to the right people.
Everything is planned to kidnapp Medellin_Traveler next time he shows up in that barrio on the hill.
The madman will do it.
PepeA is preparing a special room in his penthouse in Cartagena to keep M_T, waiting for the money.
Gringoloid is coming to Medellin to get the money and invest them in the right way.
There's a plan to blame Usher for the kidnapping and he will pay for everyone.

mranderson says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:54:

lol

tejasmarcos says on Mar 25, 2008, 08:02:

and i will shapeshift into a cat, alluding all as i exit through the ventilation shaft with the $2 million USD.

- i'm officially in poblado, but i'm now claiming envigado as home.

god is in your head

morphus says on Mar 25, 2008, 08:09:

Wherever you are in Medellin, you are all going to meet up for dinner in Parque Lleras this weekend, right?

robi666 says on Mar 25, 2008, 09:34:

No, we don't. Why?

morphus says on Mar 25, 2008, 09:40:

Ok, maybe you guys get a little adventurous sometimes and go to Las Palmas.

morphus says on Mar 25, 2008, 09:43:

Or maybe you guys just stay in and play hide the chorizo...HUR HUR!

robi666 says on Mar 25, 2008, 09:55:

Cuidado, calmese, ahora no se vaja a hacer un pajazo imaginandose quien sabe que, Morphus... :-)

morphus says on Mar 25, 2008, 10:04:

You should go to Mangos!

tomtom33 says on Mar 25, 2008, 10:29:

Mitch, Laureles is a Comuna. Comuna 11 is Laureles Estadio. Medellín is divided into 16 Comunas. Every part of Medellín including Poblado(14) is part of one of the Comunas.

I live in Comuna 13(I think), Barrio Santa Mónica.

Lisa Zee says on Mar 25, 2008, 16:48:

Tejasmarcos: ..... I am buying a place in Itaqui, do you want to live there and I live in yours in Poblado?? LOL. LOL

tejasmarcos says on Mar 25, 2008, 17:01:

i am too lazy to move. i have never looked over in itagui for apartments, but the parts i can see from here do not look that bad, especially directly across from the aguacatala up in hillside a bit. i will snap a foto or two next time i get a clear day.

god is in your head

mranderson says on Mar 25, 2008, 18:06:

I used to live up in the hillside across from aguacatala. And I might be going back in a year.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 25, 2008, 18:31:

is that where those pics were from mra? the ones you posted a few weeks ago after moving into your new place?

god is in your head

MitchAlvarez says on Mar 25, 2008, 21:06:

tomtom your right. i just think of you know what when i say comunas. jaja

pero listo pelao gracias por la clarificacion.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

robi666 says on Mar 25, 2008, 22:09:

tomtom pelao? uhm... ;)

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 05:23:

Robi, I saw your boy RAAAY in Parque Lleras once. I said hello to him but he was'nt too friendly. Actually, he was'nt friendly at all :)

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 06:53:

Morphus.............I'm like that with all the sex tourists...........no offense...........I just don't like your kind....

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 06:56:

morphus isn't a sex tourist. he's like that everywhere...

god is in your head

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 06:59:

What RAAAY!!!! You were the one with a prepago with the personality of cardboard :)

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:06:

I've never been with a prepago..............but If I was to look for one...............her personality would'nt be an issue................

You're the expert on hookers..............you should know that........

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:07:

All my girls in Medellin are non-pro. Virgins too!

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:09:

the only virgins here are still in grade school....

god is in your head

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:10:

Not true! A lot of Paisa girls stay virgin until 18.

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:13:

So, your " ladies " are still 17.................don't let Pepe know ............he is obligated to report this to DAS..............

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:21:

alot of our medellin party boys are gonna make that list before long...

god is in your head

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:22:

18 and over! I know Pepe too. I met him in Cienfuegos Cuba. He liked bribing Cuban police with milk and cookies. He once married an old Cuban lady for Cuban citizenship. :)

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:35:

morphus says on Wednesday March 26th, 2008 7:07:

.... " All my girls in Medellin are non-pro. Virgins too! "

... "A lot of Paisa girls stay virgin until 18."

If they are virgins until 18 and " all your girls in Medellin are virgins " therefore they must be under 18..............

Pepe.............Pepe..........have you called DAS yet...??
You're " obligated " to call DAS.

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:43:

LOL...until 18 is 18! They could be 18 and a half.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:44:

raaay - i hear some gringo guys try to date "younger" girls when they travel to Colombia. is that true or just a rumor?

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 07:48:

Morphus............I disagree with your method of determining the difference between 18 and under 18.

Please send some of these virgins over to my place at your earliest convienience............I will take matters into my own hands to figure this out.

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 08:08:

RAAAY, find your own virgins! Churches are good places. Just check the cedula!

Lisa Zee says on Mar 26, 2008, 08:26:

I think the P/M is for this nonsense.

robi666 says on Mar 26, 2008, 08:27:

Ray, Morphus always stated that he checks the cedula of his girlfriends. It is a normal procedure that everybody should use. Before asking her phone number, before even starting to talk to her, there's no reason why one should not ask for her cedula.

Many people on PBH think that he is a ped, but he is straight in my book.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 11:37:

WHOA! HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE, ROBI!

- those are some serious accusations! is this just a joke or have ye proof of that possibly slanderous remark against senor morphus? remember what the monkey says.....

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 11:45:

Does Pepe know about this ?.........

Have DAS been informed ?

How is it that Robi know all these Pedos ?????

Is it a ring of Pedos ?????

Are all these Pedos Eye-Talians ???

So many questions...............so few answers...........

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 26, 2008, 11:48:

No, Marcos, it is just that some people judge without knowing him.

For example, just a week ago, a well known PBHer from the coast was telling me and Ray that Morphus is evidently a ped.
Ray and me were shaking heads, asking how could he be so sure.

Morphus always asks for cedula to his victims, pardon, his girlfriends. He is straight for me.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 11:51:

and this coastal PBH'er, is he credible or just another incredulous gringo type?

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 26, 2008, 11:53:

I cannot imagine that this is true..........Morphus....no....no......no.......

Best to have Pepe and his DAS comrades give Morphus a clean bill of health.

And as Robi says.........Morphus always checks their cedulas first..

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 26, 2008, 12:00:

That coastal guy seems ok. He claimed that he has been putting quite a bunch of peds in jail in the US.
But he is gringo, so, what does he know about Colombia?

tejasmarcos says on Mar 26, 2008, 12:05:

peds definitely deserve to be in jail, that is 4 sure...

- how does the coastal guy know (of / about) pbh'er morphus? sounds like another BS story, cierto?

god is in your head

robi666 says on Mar 26, 2008, 12:08:

I don't know, don't ask more because I don't know.

morphus says on Mar 26, 2008, 15:58:

Tejasmarcos, its just pure speculation. I always said the girls were 18 and over. Somehow that got misconstrued with being a pedo. Maybe they are just breaking my balls or maybe its just wishful thinking. They would love to see me go down but its not happening. I don't break any laws. I can't get in trouble in Colombia anyway. My 18 year old girls would be devastated :)

robi666 says on Mar 26, 2008, 16:21:

"Maybe they are just breaking my balls"

Nope, that PBHer from the coast was terribly serious about that.

morphus says on Mar 27, 2008, 05:34:

People can say what they want on here. I can say "RAAAY and Robi play hide the chorizo together". It does'nt mean its true. Just a wild guess.