Why must you buy the whole bottle?

Frank Rizzo says on Mar 28, 2008, 19:51:

Its' cause the colombians like to drink like George Thorogood. Ain't no champaign wussies. Get 'er done !!

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Gator says on Mar 28, 2008, 19:52:

When in Rome....

"I tried to show some of these people how much money they would make if they shot it out rather than force you into an entire bottle. "

If you knew how much some Colombians resent that attitude.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:04:

It doesn't matter whether your Colombian or not. Its about business. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think most are in business to MAKE money no? And what attitude? I would have said the same thing in the USA or ROME for that fact.. Instead of being critical about my attitude, why comment on the question? Let me know? Its a question?

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Gator says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:07:

I would. if you learn to spell Colombia correctly.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:12:

Oh, sorry, I have a Columbia Maryland next to me..Ja
OK, coach, better? Send me in...Dime bebe dime!

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:13:

Let me know teach..maybe I want to do it in my place also..

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droble77 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:14:

Probably due to lack of trust. Other customers might think they replaced the good expensive stuff with something that approximates it but not the "real deal." Hell, haven't people died in Colombia from drinking aguardiente that wasn't officially produced by the original label?

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:15:

Droble,
I'll buy some of that thanks. (so to speak)

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:21:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysXMAOgEIq4&feature=related

You need the whole bottle when you drink like LG..

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:21:

I went into this one place on Airport Road and there had to be 200 bottles of Old Parr on the wall. The condition of the labels were very suspect, as if they had been tampered with..It wasn't a dive either, very busy.

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BillBigD says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:36:

Learned something new tonight thought Catfish35 was part of the clique. A little rough

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:37:

No, I'll let you have it tough guy. Thanks for helping out. Sounds like you just need a hug!

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durito says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:40:

There are tons of clubs in the US where they only sell liquor by the bottle and it's not cheap.

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:47:

Durito
yes this is true, for the most part those clubs are specialty. Private or memebership..in the USA selling bottles to drink at your table is very much frowned upon.

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:49:

BILLBIGD,

Not to bother, I still love him with all my heart! jaja
I belong to no click or no one !

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BillBigD says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:50:

I think that trend is changing, a lot of places in Dallas have bottle service.

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:55:

Si? Bill? Not over here on the east coast man...DC baltimore..etc..if you have a license and your setting full bottles out for all to drink, your arse grarse! No control, Id's, DWI's, liability...etc ya know what I mean?

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 20:57:

I agree, there are places in USA and other places in the world I have been, I just found it way more prevalent in Colombia so far. I just wanted some feedback on it. I found it to be more common of a practice the further out of the city you went, no?

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RAAAY says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:23:

Catfish...........I can understand why you have not been to many bottle places in the U.S.
Thay are typically classy establishments and are quite selective who they allow in.

They are also more expensive. Doormen would take one look at your sorry ass, and point you in the direction of the farthest away beer and shot joint.

In New York, L.A. and Miami they have become quite plentiful. There seems to be a sort of status thing with the people that sit with a $200 bottle of Smirnoff or a $250 bottle of Johnny Walker Black.

Call me a wuss, but, if I'm going to get a bottle of anything, it must be Moet or occasionaly D.P.

When you get down here next week I'll spring for a bottle of Pilsen for you, that liquor s*t gives me the wee wees............

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:51:

Ha, Touchet' or is it Douchet? either one..si si Senor.
Just threw something out there..tired of hearing bout the cowboys and indians..
I will take you up on that offer, you also must come have one at the Ice Cream shop!
You bring that eyetalian along.

Did you notice ? It looks like I found myself a lover tonight!!!!

peace

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robi666 says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:54:

An ice cream for free? Where, when... I'll be there, I'll be there...

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RAAAY says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:56:

Typical............Damn Italian wants free Ice-cream.......

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:57:

Es no Gelati..butt itza comin!

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 21:58:

Problem is..I don't sell cones..you gotta sit down under the umbrella tables and buy whatever flavor you want...they all come in 10 litre cajas....ha ha

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Man Tequila says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:01:

Drinking in Colombia is cheap by Canadian standards. I tend to drink a lot more when I have to buy the whole bottle, though. I've found people who already have bottles to be extremely generous in doling out shots from them. Never paid for this, but you'd have more luck buying a shot from someone with a bottle than from many bartenders.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:09:

Now That...is a very good point!
I will def. work that angle MT next time.
And you are def. correct and twas sorta my point..they have all this liquor behind the bar, lined up by the dozens. All the same brands...and its either, a beer or and whole bottle..now its not in every place, I know. But even in America, you go into a fancy club, buy a bottle of Grey Goose and a sectional couch and you are the shit! But you can still buy a shot of this or a shot of that.
It was just a point I was throwing out...But Def like your idea, shoot I'll just buy a shot from the dern customer! Hell!

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RAAAY says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:18:

Catfish..............how do you know about the furnishings in a fancy club...............Did you read about it......or did someone tell you ?.


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miamimike says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:22:

A Colombian Taberna in west Miami sells A'diente by the bottle and I cringe when I see it for this reason; it encourages overindulgence. I've watched people at the Table with that Full bottle sitting in front of them and they know they can't take it home(strict open container law here in florida) so the closer it gets to closing time, the Shots start coming fast and furious as they "Coño, Paid $85 for that damn bottle and they aren't leaving a drop behind". If they were paying $6 per shot they would, IMO, be more conscious of the Number of Shots they are throwing down. True, they would be making maybe $30-$40 per bottle more. Our Streets in Miami would be much safer also, no small thing. I've wtached these guys who have the bottle at the table practically float out the Door they are so Gassed up. IMO, the practice, for this reason alone, should be outlawed. These guys should think ahead and simply bring in a few empty coke bottles and transfer what they don't drink into the coke bottles and carry it out their Lady's
purse or coat sleeve.

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:28:

That's a good point Mike !! It's just hard for me to change, i'm still looking for a nice trailer park for my double wide in Colombia. Then sit out on the porch and crack the bottle of Cisco open. You know what they say, "you can take the boy out of the trailer park, but......."

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miamimike says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:43:

FR-Dui Laws are really enforced here in the Miami Area so many won't take the chance.In the old days I would, after a good night of drinking, put the seat back in my Van and listen to the music for a few hours. Now if the Miami Cops catch you with the keys in the ignition doing this, you are in a world of trouble and they nail you for intent, that you may drive. Now, if by rare chance I am caught with having more drinks then will allow me to drive safely, I simply disable my car by pulling off the distributor wire and call my Emergency road service and have them load my car onto the Car hauler and deliver me and the car to my condo. The Tow truck drivers let you ride with them so no problem. I don't have $10,000 to give the attorneys to get me out of a DUI predictament. Mostly, I just don't drink much anymore. Who needs a few drinks to act like a Jerk if you are a Pro like us Ex-Sailors?

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 22:52:

Raaay,

OK, you caught me..they weren't sectional couches at all..its crusty ole, futons put together! Ja ja. I know cuz everytime I would take a shot, throw my head back I would roll down the little ramp!

Miami.
This whole thing sorta struck me funny because it sort of stood out more than others one night when I was out. We went to I know 4 places, one after another, and if we wanted liqour? We were going to have to buy the whole damn bottle come hell or high agua! Which does lead me to ask..What are the DWI laws and fines so forth in Colombia? Anyone know?? RAAAAY? perhaps? hmmmm?

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goin_south says on Mar 28, 2008, 23:12:

I'm supposing if you're gringo, the rates go up, si?
'course, if you be wearin dreadlocks, they may come down

Where do we go from here?

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Catfish35 says on Mar 28, 2008, 23:26:

Hmmmmm, GS, very interesting...Gringo up, Dreadlocks down, I think you might have something there. Honestly though, I did not buy a bottle because of the stuff they were selling plus the top strips all looked like they had been tampered with. Probably all watered down anyway! No se

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bogotabrian says on Mar 29, 2008, 06:44:

I also never understood why you'd buy the cow if you can have the milk for free.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 29, 2008, 07:18:

come on fish, just buy the whole bottle. we all know you can knock it out quick.....

dreads and all.....

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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peteyw says on Mar 29, 2008, 11:53:

Here in Cartagena most bars will sell you shots if you want. I think its because they get more tourists and therefore they have to be more flexible.

But the Catfish35 experience is prevelant in so many things here. The mind set is so closed to new ways of doing business or just being flexible to accomodate a customer.

Example, just the other day I went to this place in Castillogrande that sells really tasty, large chocolate chip cookies among other things. I bought a couple. Their ice cream looked good so I asked for some vanilla to go as that's my lady's favorite.

The lady reached for a cone and I explained to her that I was alone and driving and couldn't hold the cone and safely drive at the same time.

I asked if she could put it in one of the cheap plastic cups right next to the cones? She said the cups were only for maltedas which cost 4 mil pesos and the cono is only 1.5. I asked if she could make an exception this time as I was a repeat customer. She said she couldn't.

I said "ok. How about this as a compromise. I'll pay the 4 mil pesos for the cup and you give me the same amount of ice cream as you would on a cono. That way you make an extra 2.5 mil profit and my lady gets some ice cream." Can you believe she wouldn't do it!

I felt like Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces ordering a chicken salad sandwich just so he could get a couple slices of toast. Take the chicken, the lettuce, tomato and the mayo and stick it up your ****!!!!

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jonas says on Mar 29, 2008, 12:00:

one day in 1999 in Ecuador I went to a tienda and saw 3 bottles of Havana Club smiling at me. I asked how much they cost and was told a price a lot cheaper than I had seen the previous day at a supermarket. So I asked for all three bottles but the lady said she could only sell me two. I asked why she would not sell me all three and she said that if she sold me all three then she wouldn´t have any left to sell. Sometimes I just don´t get it.

Simon Presidente!

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peteyw says on Mar 29, 2008, 12:02:

I could live here 100 years and not get it.

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vicshere says on Mar 29, 2008, 12:09:

the reason is if they sold shoots and an open bottle was in the bar the bottle would soon be empty from the employees and the owner wouldn't make shit....also a closed bottle is easily counted and controlled....an open bottle can be diluted with other shit...from the costumer point of view...
but I understand what you are saying that freaked me out when I first arrived.....the other thing is most discos don't sell beer.... it doesn't make sense....god dam Colombia

listo

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miamimike says on Mar 29, 2008, 12:40:

I asked why she would not sell me all three and she said that if she sold me all three then she wouldn´t have any left to sell. Sometimes I just don´t get it.
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Catfish35 says on Mar 29, 2008, 12:55:

PETE and JONAS
I too am LMAO, very funny examples.

VIC,
It is a very good point you bring up and most likely valid. I too own a restaurant that has 2 bars one inside and one out side on the deck. www.Genovasrestaurant.com
Employee theft is always a problem, however, you have to stay diligent. If you people that will steal your shots they will find a way to steal your bottle.
And I think..PETE was right on when he mentioned about location..ex. in Poblado, Med. all the places sell shots. Move further into the hills and they begin to look at you weird when you roll in and ask for one. Its all cool...I love the place, the country, the people, just asking for points of views! Thanks!

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 29, 2008, 13:00:

How about the way many stores there work, where they tell you,....yeah...we have 100 meters of that tile. You pay here and pick up at the warehouse. You get to the warehouse and they only have 50 meters....but they "swear" that the other 50 will come from Bogota tomorrow.....jajajajjaja

They love to pormise and say "it's for sure" and when it doesn't happen.....(as it hardly ever does)...they just shrug their shoulders and have that "blank stare"....

Trying to get good work in colombia is like a year long root canal.

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Catfish35 says on Mar 29, 2008, 13:03:

Damn Frank that example just made me cringe like nails on a chalk board!

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panthdave says on Mar 29, 2008, 13:17:

You wanna know wants funny night I asked for some Tequila shots with GF and he came with the bottle and left on the table and said pour your own shots and when your done let me how many you took and only pay for that...Never heard of that..By the end of the night we ended up turning that bottle over and paid for it anyways.

panthdave Miami

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 13:46:

Frank Rizzo says on Saturday March 29th, 2008 13:00:

“How about the way many stores there work, where they tell you,....yeah...we have 100 meters of that tile. You pay here and pick up at the warehouse. You get to the warehouse and they only have 50 meters....but they "swear" that the other 50 will come from Bogota tomorrow.....jajajajjaja�

I learned long ago that mañana does not necessarily mean tomorrow, just not TODAY!

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 29, 2008, 13:49:

You're not kidding Sloop......

Now when the workers ask me if i'll loan them some money i just tell them...of course i will....soon.....and give them the same blank stare with no emotion.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:00:

That deal with insisting to sell the whole bottle seems a bit strange, but some of the justifications make a little sense.

Some have said they see that in the U.S. Not in Pennsylvania, unless things have changed a lot since I left. Although there was an ongoing movement to abolish the state stores, so maybe has changed by now.

But, buy a bottle in a bar? License GONE, at least closed for a while. That was probably as bad as selling after hours, to visibly intoxicated, or to minors.

I think private clubs were only allowed to stay open an hour later, and by law, non-member guests were not allowed to spend any money, only members. It was for many years only clubs could serve on Sundays. I doubt that you can buy a bottle, even in a club, legally.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:01:

JAJA, not quizá mañana, Frank?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:03:

W.C., my avatar, "Giving up drink is easy, I've done it a thousand times".

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msaucey says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:05:

Last time I was in Las Vegas we had a gathering at Club Tao, private booth, all items were served by the bottle, but you can't take the bottle with you... But, the prices were ridiculous...

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:14:

I have not been in Vegas for a very long time, but the booze was free if you were playing, and food was very inexpensive. But I never visited any fancy clubs.

Pennsylvania Liquor Control Boad was always notoriously tight-assed about booze.

At one time PLCB agents would hide across the border in Maryland to catch people buying cheaper hooch and cigarettes and crossing back into the Commonwealth. They would radio ahead, with vehicle description and license numbers, to state troopers waiting across the state-line.

You could actually lose your car, in addition to stiff fines.

The PLCB was the largest purchaser of alcoholic beverages in the World, with their monopoly of liquor stores, and even the bars had to buy there.

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Man Tequila says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:14:

I'd just feel like a sap paying 200 bucks for twenty dollars worth of liquor.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 29, 2008, 14:18:

I understand there are some sort of stores in Cartagena where you can buy booze cheaper than at the supermarket. I imagine that is true elsewhere?

It's sure no bargain at that price in the bars.

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miamimike says on Mar 29, 2008, 21:03:

Some have said they see that in the U.S. Not in Pennsylvania, unless things have changed a lot since I left. Although there was an ongoing movement to abolish the state stores, so maybe has changed by now.

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bartolo_colon says on Mar 29, 2008, 21:43:

I think its kind of nice. Bottle, Ice, Cokes. You can mix your drinks just how you like them instead of depending on the bartender. With every table having its own bottle, its as if there are little minnie-parties going on at every table. Good times

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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Aaron21 says on Mar 29, 2008, 22:18:

Additionally, in a lot of places (I have only been in Cali, Bogota, and Cartagena) you can buy the bottle, drink some, seal it, write your name on it, and have it again next time you go. That is probably why you saw several bottles of the same liquor that look like they had been tampered with, Catfish.

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Catfish35 says on Mar 29, 2008, 22:27:

Miami,
As far as I know Conn., Vermont, Maine, those states way up still all state stores as far as I know and you are too right gouging the hell outta ya!

Bartolo, I totally agree with you on that point. That is a very good plus ! I also agree with the atmosphere..I never said it was bad..I just wanted to know why it seems so prevalent. Many places you don't have the option to just get a shot Ya know?

AARON, Did not know that also man. If thats the case that answers that, thanks!

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goin_south says on Mar 30, 2008, 00:21:

jonas... you f*#king hog.. wanting ALL THREE BOTTLES!
lol

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 30, 2008, 00:23:

and, then Vicshere,.. jus below... A TODOS!!!!
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS THIS:

BRING YOUR OWN FUCKING BOTTLE.
DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND: B.... Y.... O.... B..... !

Where do we go from here?

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 30, 2008, 01:21:

750 ml bottle of rum (5th) has about 25, 1 ounce shots in it. A bottle of Caldas in a typical bar in Colombia (night club) is 70,000 pesos. Some places more, some places less. For a bar to make more money by selling by the shot, rather than by the bottle - without taking labor into account - would be by charging more than 2.800 cop per strict 1 oz shot.

I think the owners of bars and nightclubs know what they are doing; selling liqour by the bottle. It is calculated. And for the consumer in Colombia, it is pretty cool to be able to make your own drink, have Coke and jugo served gratis by the pitcher. Ice every half hour. A plate of fruit, etc. And if you don't finish the bottle, you can take it home.

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panthdave says on Mar 30, 2008, 10:06:

Thats the difference right there you can take that bottle home..I don't know how many times I have come home with a bottle in my hand..and just put on top of the kitchen cabinets. They all have the club sticker on it too...Miami Beach you lose it or you can have the bottle saved for another night..which I have done....cannot take it with you..

panthdave Miami

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MitchAlvarez says on Mar 30, 2008, 10:33:

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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goin_south says on Mar 30, 2008, 10:45:

Daddy and Match?
it sounds like a stupid Q;
naaawh.. but... there is a dual or rap/reaggaton group of colombianos... pretty much like these guys, eh? no?
anyway... fun vid!

Where do we go from here?

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