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Why Men Should Not Marry

[The content of the original post has been deleted and the thread has been locked. The original post contained a number of anti-woman statements and was not remotely related to Colombia. -Moderators]

By s_cambria on Feb 24, 2005, 23:42 in Friendly Talkzone. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


N2Aquatix says on Feb 25, 2005, 02:08:

Crap Wow!!! That's a really dark, cynical viewpoint. Well, I hate to have to clue you dude, but I know lots of happy couples with happy kids. Having a good life means so much more when you have someone to share it with. It gives it a meaning and a purpose that single people will never understand. Oh, and one more thing.....you get out of life what you put into it, so if these guys that you speak of got CRAP out of their relationships then they probably put CRAP into them. ;-)

Jay

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kernow62 says on Feb 25, 2005, 04:13:

And what does this have to do with Colombia?

Unless you assume that everyone on this forum is out to snag a Colombiana for a wife. The forum does seem to be a dating forum more and more these days.

I am one of the guys who is loving every minute of married life, when you are married if you have any sense; you communicate with your wife, that and treating your wife with respect & showing her how much you care and love her will go a long way to assuring you are one of the guys that don't end up lonely and bitter.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 25, 2005, 04:16:

WOW this guy got it bad. something must happened to him to talk so negative.

engage brain before opening mouth

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Albatross says on Feb 25, 2005, 04:26:

! Man, I hope you don't own a gun...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Lowell says on Feb 25, 2005, 04:51:

One of the lucky ones I must be one of the lucky ones. Also, I think that In Colombia there are more happy married couples/families. I'm a 2 time loser with marriage in the States. I'm giving it one more try. This time, my gut/heart tells me theres a chance.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 25, 2005, 06:15:

With that attitude... With that attitude, I think it's better that you never marry. In fact, I think it's better that you never even date. In fact, there are lots of nice hollow trees out there in the forest just waiting for a bitter hermit to move in.

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Miguel says on Feb 25, 2005, 06:58:

This thread I alerted the "authorities" here about it perhaps being troll-generated. Since it still "lives", all I want to say is:
Not once is Colombia mentioned, and it is quite the load of C R A P.

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BlondeJamesBond says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:00:

Miguel Correct These sort of 'issues' need to be dealt with on a psychologists couch - not in a colombia forum

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Miguel says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:12:

GIB I enjoyed your replies
The original post might have had a completely different reception if the guy asked about relationships specifically in Colombia. It did not.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:16:

What nonsense. I just turned 50 and my wife is 44. I have 4 children from my first marriage and she has 3 from her first marriage. We are crazy about one another and we have a great big combined family that speaks English and Spanish. Life is fun - you should try it sometime.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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BlondeJamesBond says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:17:

*the censor police have arrived* I see myself as more of a censor secret agent.

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Pirovito says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:18:

Humble Opinion I totally agree with s_crambia. dont do it. dont do it, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. you are gonna regret it at some point, believe me!!

Thanks!

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Pirovito says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:35:

Content of post deleted [The content of this post has been deleted. Several weeks ago someone posted the same excepts from the 'No Marriage' website. They don't have anything to do with Colombia and some readers will find them very offensive to women. -Moderators]

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:37:

The juice isn't worth the squeeze? Maybe you haven't squeezed the right fruit? It is well worth it - it's heaven on earth.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Pirovito says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:42:

Utopiacowboy Could be that or could be the squeezer, hummm God knows! but I still looking for the right fruit (juicy) hopefully I will find it and believe in marriage again. who knows!

Peace!

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Miguel says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:58:

Si UC A mi me gusta la ciruelas!

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Pirovito says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:00:

Miguel Yo en cambio prefiero unos melones bien jugosos. ud me entiende parce. LOL

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poco says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:18:

Colombia relationships The poster appears to use “cut and paste� from another forum.

Being in my 50’s and not interested in raising a family, Marriage is far from my thoughts no matter who or where.

Out of all the “negative comments� on this site, not many were about Colombian women. In my opinion it would be extremely difficult to find the same treatment from the equal person in the United States.

A person in their 20’s, single, no children, interested in marriage,, that is totally different and Colombia would be a good place to visit and see what this is all about.

Amazing, in the last three years,, the country (or me?) has changed and is getting better every day. Can’t help but love a country that has military units with these uniform patches:



Thanks to the person for furnishing the links to these badges.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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cintiamay says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:30:

Definitely a troll but.. This was def. a bitch session w/ no real relevance to Colombia.

However, even though I am a U.S. woman (since an American can be North, South or Central), I do recognize what s_cambria is saying because he described my stepmother to a T. Funny thing is, I see her as representing what the old generation created in women, which seems to be what the men who hate my generation of women seem to crave. What was so great about the 50's & 60's time that some men seem to long for it? I see it created dependent women who had to marry for convenience or sense of duty or MONEY, because they couldn't support themselves. Nowadays, I don't have to marry to be taken care of. I can do it myself. I choose to marry or be in a relationship because I like or love that person. My stepmother was married to my dad for 18 frickin years, bringing 4 children in from a previous marriage. And my dad was available only because he was widowed. She treated me poorly the whole marriage like Cinderella and was every bit of a selfish, nagging, money hungry bitch as described above. She took more than half my dad's money when she decided to divorce him, took the house I grew up in (and promptly sold it) and remarried for a 3rd time less than 4 yrs later. She needed a man... and she showed me everything I never wanted to be as a woman or a person.
Therefore I don't recognize what is described in this post in myself. Who would want to be married to someone like that? A miserable person who makes others miserable. My stepmother gave me a valuable lesson, how not to behave & live. And my father made sure I would never be a dependent person like her by helping me get educated. Independence didn't foster a negative or selfish outlook for me, it taught me respect for others which I carry into my relationship. And I didn't let my country's media turn me into an asshole. I feel bad that U.S. women have this bad rap, but anyone who acts like above described deserves it!
One more thing, I didn't let my bad experience jade the rest of my life! s_cambria needs to chill and take his own advice, 80+ years on this rock, enjoy it!

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miamimike says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:32:

How many responders are 55+ ? I also fail to understand why this Gent posted here as it fails the Colombian connection validity test. Being in the Age bracket he describes and not married I see a few of his points.And Agree with them. Not all by any means. One thing he omitted was the fact that not all men(or women for that matter) are meant to be married. Its not in the grand scheme of things for everyone, but its nothing to be sad about if you are secure in knowing who you are. Many great scientist were single and had they been married, they may not have had the time and energy to persevere on their projects. There is something to be said for personal freedom. I place a high value on it and would not surrender it lightly. What is missing from the equation is "Why women should not marry" Equally as valid. I wonder what their thouhgts are on this. Not all couples should have children-I truly believe this as evidenced by our high rate of juvenile delinquency here in the US--many many parents are failing their children. Not everyone can truly be a mama or papa, in the truest sense of the word. Being in the age bracket he mentions, I see what he is saying about freedom.Priceless. I do agree with all women are treacherous, scheming,ect.Even here in the US. A thought provocing post at the least.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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miamimike says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:37:

Should read I do "Not" agree that all women are treacherous, scheming,ect.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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miamimike says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:50:

Be Happy with youself "it's easy to get depressed about not being married when we live in a society that constantly feeds us the image of the happy couple. It's one big lie. The happiest person alive is someone who isn't a prisoner dependent on another human being... We only have 80 or so years on this rock to achieve true freedom"--If you are not happy with yourself going into the marriage its not going to change afterwards,probably only gets worse.Have to deal with this first, then get married, IMHO.

Statement-if the woman cheats she gets half of my assests-well regardless of who iniated the cheating, if that person worked and contributed his/her money, time and effort-he/she should be entitled to those assets, be it the woman or the man. If the man/woman had assets PRIOR to the marrige that the partner did nothing to contribute to, why would this person feel they have rights to these assets? They belong to the person who generated them.Easy.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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cintiamay says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:06:

Sounds good but doesn't happen like that... my stepmother cried poverty, even though both worked and she made similar income. My dad had a teacher's pension. She "let" him keep it and put it against his half of the house, so she could take it all! Miamimike, what you say sounds so logical, too bad law is anything but... and I'm from NJ not CA...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:27:

I agree, totally There are men that should not marry, or even be in a relationship with a woman. They just don't have what it takes to share their lives with another human being. Maybe they shouldn't even have pets...much less children. There are women like that, too, of course. There are couples who should not be allowed to breed because their own needs are so great that they don't have anything left over to give to anybody else.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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calipro says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:41:

Nothing worst than a depressed troll.

"These sort of 'issues' need to be dealt with on a psychologists couch - not in a colombia forum"

BlondeJamesBond

That is no way to be talking about your troll brotheren or are you talking about yourself? hehehe!!

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BlondeJamesBond says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:45:

Whoa Calipro I need to clarify this again

I am not BONDJAMES - He is your troll - I am suffering for sharing a similar name to that waster

I personally enjoy your threads greatly.
You've got a superb lifestyle.

Again

BONDJAMES - Complete tosser

BlondeJamesBond - aka me - Calipro supporter

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BlondeJamesBond says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:56:

And as for my earlier comment *"These sort of 'issues' need to be dealt with on a psychologists couch - not in a colombia forum"*

"I used to see a shrink about my commitment problems but when he started talking about the summer schedule I was like "WHOA buddy slow down""!!!! - SPIN CITY

This sums up my opinion on marriage

All the initial posters comments maybe true - but the commitment side of marriage is reason enough for me not to want to do it

Nothing to do with Colombia, but anything to avoid being labelled a troll

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dwmte says on Feb 25, 2005, 09:57:

i don't know of the chap is 5 or 55... but a whole lot of what he says is true. a whole lot.

been married 5 (actually six times i married one lady twice) and have eight children from seven mothers.

were they all bad? nope. was i? nope. it's just the way the dice roll.

if you don't want to be married and raise kids. don't. period.

dw.

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kernow62 says on Feb 25, 2005, 10:01:

dwmte maybe it is the way the dice rolls or perhaps it is the value you and your wife (wives) place upon your marriage. Marrying and divorcing that many times is not the way I was raised. Perhaps your culture and upbringing does not place as much importance on marriage.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:34:

This may seem to be simplistic, but? You have to start with some ground rules, how about these for a start.

One of the greatest causes of unhappiness, nay, misery, in the world, is the steady adherence to the superstition that two young people who feel, when in each other's company, the sexual excitement that is so often mistaken for love, must marry. It is folly for which thousands upon thousands are constantly paying a most fearful price. Love! Why, love means self sacrifice. It means wisdom. Many a man for love has remained a bachelor all his life.

Nature has decreed that certain dispositions will antagonize certain other dispositions. Marriage is often so hasty that these faulty dispositions are not discovered until after marriage, when it is too late to retreat, no matter how much it may be desired.

1st. Two people of similar complexion and temperament should never marry. If they do it will prove a failure.

2nd. Two tall, slim people or two short, heavy-set people should not marry.

3rd. A nervous, fidgety person should never marry another nervous person.

4th. A man should never marry a woman who is given to finding fault, or who is peevish and "cranky", or who scolds her little brothers and sisters.

5th. A woman should never marry a man who is naturally inclined to be arrogant and cruel, or who is inordinately selfish.

Don't marry a girl whose chief aim in life is dress; who hangs around dry goods or millinery stores like butterflies around a gorgeous flower.

To dress extravagantly is a blot upon any woman's character. When the activity of the mind is taken up with finery the soul grows pinched and lean, the mind fails to develop, and such a woman cannot make a decent partner for any sensible man.

So, too, should a girl think of accepting any young man for a lover who is addicted to the use of liquor, or who spends his money in speculation or in fast living. Shun such as you would an idiot or a fool.

The most important of these is the keeping alive and at its best the sexual desires. This is the highest part of your nature and should be held sacred. Constant or uninterrupted indulgence is sure to destroy its enjoyment and destroy happiness for both.

I am not the author of the above, but I think it is a good starting point. A sort of what not to do rather than what you must do?

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:35:

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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ShazCas says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:41:

You won't blacken my idea of true love It occurred to me when reading about these miserable marriages that of course we are getting a man's point of view on them, and that the women in these marriages must be utterly miserable as well. No sex, years of boredom, why would you nag someone unless you can't stand them or the way they behave? And they are the ones who have to bear the children, I just don't understand why they do it with someone they don't really want to have sex with and feel the need to nag all the time. I'm very happy in my marriage, and I hope my husband will always be happy with me too, and I think that if it ever got miserable, then divorce would be for the best. But then we do have that ass-wiping kind of love (the least romantic way I've ever described it!!!) and have been together for 7 years and aren't itching yet!

But of course it's understandable that some people end up hating each other, and I imagine that can be incredibly miserable, for both parties. It's hard to live with other people, and to keep a relationship simmering you have to make the effort and have an open heart. I don't think it's fair to blame women for everything, or men for that matter, many years with one person - well who knows what will happen? I disagree with racism and sexism because it's wrong, but I won't harp on about it. After all, if a man wants to believe that all American women are bitches, there's probably nothing I can do to convince him of anything else!

It's always men who talk about marriage tying them down, but what about women? If I hadn't got married I would most probably have a much more successful career with more money. But would I be happy? My husband makes me feel like the happiest woman alive when we fall asleep snuggled together - and we left the "honeymoon period" behind LONG ago! And he has the freedom to do what he wants - I don't control him, I'm a modern woman and we CHOSE to be together! Who am I to tell him what to do? Anyway, I'm a hopeless romantic, and will continue to believe that I have met my soulmate who I am lucky to have met, feel in love with at first sight, and will hopefully grow old with and have many exciting experiences. And I don't care what anybody says *blows rasperry*

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Raleigh1590 says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:45:

Ahem From nomarriage.com via above:
"Foreign women from South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia make much better wives than American women.
An American woman has several fundamental problems that will never go away and that will get much worse a few years after she is married:

Her inherent anti-male bias and pre-occupation with fairness that was drilled into her at high school, college, and through the media. Her constant confrontations and trying to prove herself and to make a point.
Her self-centeredness, her ridiculously high expectations, her sense of entitlement, her high-maintenance, superficial, and stuck up attitude, her snootiness and her sense of superiority. This "princess" syndrome means that she will always think that she is better than you, and that she deserves and she is entitled to whatever she wants from you.
Her general mental instability and psychological disorders.
Her using sex as a weapon and reward to get things.
Foreign women generally don't have any of these problems. "

I DON"T THINK SO! What a bunch of prejudiced & sexist crap. I'll only add one comment because this is too messed up to even dignify a proper response: I've never held back sex from a man, or even hated men, & neither has all of my American women friends. Where is this guy finding these women?

There is nothing wrong with having a sense of entitlement, I'm sure everyone reading this does.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:48:

I'd like to contradict number 1 and 2 There's a popular saying here in Sweden about "children that are alike each other play together best" (sounds much better in Swedish: "lika barn leka best"). I see a lot of happy couples around that are alike both physically and in temperament. The rest of what you say is just common sense. Any kind of commitment between two human beings is a compromise that requires a lot of self-sacrifice, patience and a genuine interest in each other's well-being. Not everybody is cut out to have a commitment that places somebody else's needs before your own. Empathy, love, caring and respect are all necessary components in every relationship and if your not prepared or capable of giving all this to somebody else then I agree, you shouldn't marry and even less have any children because you'd only cause unnecessary suffering in other people's lives.
Basically, I'm in agreement with the rest of your post, jamesvelezhernandez.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ShazCas says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:50:

Another thing has just occurred to me... If American women have such an anti-male bias, why don't they ever start threads here about American men being fat, or whatever, etc? I've never been to the US but all I see on this site is anti-female bias. So what does that teach me? Anyway, I know that I'm probably wasting my breath (finger energy?) so, back to Colombia...

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dwmte says on Feb 25, 2005, 11:58:

kernow... thanks for the observations and input. under 'logical' observations what you say would probably be true. however, i come from a strain of typical mid-american farmers that married and died together, some of which had 15 children.

neither my brother nor sister suffered the odd fate i have. sis married a doctor who died a few years back..they had a wonderful marriage or it looked that way and my brother has been married to the same lady for 45-48 yrs. they have 7 children adn as many grandchildren.

i can't, nor do i try to make 'excuses' for any of it. it seems that with the '60's and the intrance of drugs into mid american colleges and universities things changed. especially the psychotropic drugs.

more coming

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Albatross says on Feb 25, 2005, 12:21:

Shaz... American Women can hardly help having an anti-men , pro-women bias because over the past few decades it has permeated our entire culture... there are exceptions, certain religious or ethnic groups may be less likely to have this bias, and of course there are individual exceptions... so some guys do get lucky.

But generally speaking, in America, men have to be very careful or they'll end up hosed.

I haven't dated an American woman since 1991 nor will I ever again... life is simply too damn short.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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dwmte says on Feb 25, 2005, 13:00:

kernow, et al... sorry about that break. my youngest daughter hurt her neck yesterday and spent the whole morning in the clinic and is no recuperating in her bed. had to do the lunch and tuck in thing.

too, i hate the way this posting system will cut your post off after you've spent a half hour doing it. )(*&^&%^%$

also, i hate doing it in word and exporting it. so here we go.

i'm still friends with the mother's, in fact, i ended up with full custody of five sometimes six of the children and the women/mothers got the loot. ha ha. it's the truth. california is not the place to divide property. cause 50/50 is calculated differently there. it's more like 25/75 their favor. and if you fight them with a bull dog attorney, the court thinks you're a prick and punishes you anyway. so i learned early on just to let them have their day in court and get on with taking care of the kids. here it is 43 yrs later and i'm still changin diapers. oh boy. i must do it well and or enjoy it, cause it doesn't bug me and i'm still doin it while most of the mother's are livin that calif. feminist liberty. which is all right, they're good gals.

so. i learned one thing after trial and error. marriage is based on what you put in to it not what you get from it. like maarit said, it's devoting your life to another, not yourself.

to be cont.

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dwmte says on Feb 25, 2005, 13:08:

continued i noticed as i went through life, most folks think love is a noun. that's absolutely untrue. it's a verb. it's work. hard work, cause you do it even in those moments/days that you don't want to, you don't feel like it. love makes those sacrafices, with a smile.

i'm more like my folks, i would have never got divorced. i would have put up with it, did it and kept on doing it just like one testifies in their marital oath...envoking GOD, and dedicating one's life for better or worse, sickness or health, good times or bad, etc. basically, while you breathe. but the mums wanted that new chance, the open road and the 'green grass on the other side of the fence'. now, they've done the same thing a few times and i'm still taking care of the kids.

in fact they would get together and say, give the kids to douglas, he'll take care of em and you (they) can do what you want. that's ok too. i kept all my kids together even though they are from different mums...except for two of em.

just got a letter from my oldest daughter while we're e ing here. she's finishing her doctorate at univ of san francisco and having her first baby...33 yrs old.

peace, ya'll

dw

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 25, 2005, 13:25:

thank you douglas for your insights about marriage and raising up the children. Basically we share the same views and there's little even I could find objectionable in your posts. As I have told previously, I work with children and their welfare is close to my heart. It's fairly common here for fathers to take a paternity leave from work to care for young children, many men find it very enjoyable and satisfying to stay home a few months when babies are small to take care of them while mothers go back to work. It's customary for new parents to split their time staying home and working, taking turns for caring the babies.
It's also common that if parents get a divorce or one of them simply moves away from home (many couples don't marry at all) that a special consideration is taken for the children so that they can regularly meet and spend time with both parents. The divorce rates here are probably just as high as in the States, but the children are cherished and cared by both parents in most of the cases even after the separation or divorce.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ARMacleod says on Feb 25, 2005, 13:27:

Know something dwmte? I am not sure if I am reading this correctly, but if I am, you sound like the kind of fellow that I wish my father was, and I think I am older than you are, (my first daughter is 45) (shheeech!)

I cannot imagine why all of those wenches allowed you to get away. I am quite sure that you will get your reward.

Bueno suerte! Keep up the good work.

James.

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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dwmte says on Feb 25, 2005, 13:46:

hell, king james, i think my reward is here and now. i have a wonderful paisa that gives me no rest, rules the roost and reminds everyone, adults and children alike, who runs the household. is it great? hell no! it's bloody hard work.

my oldest is my son, troy, 43. and yes, you've a few more on me. i just turned 62, old enough to get my miserable s.s check. i don't get much, as i worked for myself all my life and was more interested in research than i was in making money. cest la vie. that an attn fees and here i am at the gray haired age of 62, not too damn rich. at least in $$$ experience, i'm a billionaire, but you can't spend that in the mall, just in heart and mind.

we want to move back to colombia soon. depends on how we can juggle the books.

peace,

dw

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Miguel says on Feb 25, 2005, 14:20:

Love is a verb? Better not tell that to Michel Thomas or the gringos here that study Spanish with his instructions.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 25, 2005, 14:27:

Dwmte. 62? I got fillings in my teeth older than that my boy.


I am 65 in July.

Strangely enough I feel 21?

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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