pbh home > > post  

Join in 7 seconds.. Existing users: sign in.

poorbuthappy home  

all forums, active | friendly talkzone, travel tips, visa & paperwork, renting, selling & meetups, politics & the war, espanol

WHY IS THE FOOD AND HYGIENE SO BAD IN COLOMBIA

If you buy a packet of biscuits they taste strange. They cant manufacture any food products that taste good

If you buy a pizza it is just not right ( I am from London not Italy but we can make pizzas in London )

Every restaurant is meat mad. I have walked around looking for a place to eat where I don´t have to eat meat and I couldnt find one.

Why do Colombians think that meat is the be all and end all of eating. There is a whole world of food to eat not just meat

THE FOOD HYGIENE IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE
I see ham and cheese rolls being left in shop front windows that are warm all day. Not in refrigerated units. Cooked meat being left out all day. Recently I went to a restaurant and what they were doing in half cooking the meat then leaving it in trays for later. Reheating meat is unhygenic, what they are doing is extremely dangerous.
I have been to Colombian peoples houses and seen them leave cooked food out for 5 hours and then think nothing of eating some or putting it in the fridge. They don´t understand basic hygiene.

By (Deleted user) on Jan 18, 2005, 08:53 in Friendly Talkzone. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


Albatross says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:00:

Because Colombia isn't London The obvious answer is that Colombia and England are different countries.

Don't go to Colombia for pizza.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

0 funny, 0 helpful.

greenday says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:00:

it's funny It's funny, but us Americans think the same about the Brits and the French. Why is it you people only shower once a week and don't use deodorant??

0 funny, 0 helpful.

friendly says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:04:

WELL IT ALL DEPENDS WELL FRIEND, IT IS COMMON SENSE IF YOU GO TO A BAD AREA OF THE CITY TO EAT YOU WILL GET BAD FOOD AND HYGIENE. IT IS AS IF I GO TO CHINA TOWN NEW YORK OR TO A POOR PLACE OF LONDON TO EAT SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE DISCUSTING! EEWW! BUT IF I GO TO A GOOD AREA THE FOOD WILL BE AWESOME! SO HONEY, USE YOUR COMMON SENCE.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ColombianoX says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:06:

Londonmale,

You come here to criticize us about our hygiene when you come from a country that doesn't even know what a toothbrush is? I've seen apes with better dental hygiene than most brits.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lauthra says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:09:

Well... Not every country has the same biscuit recipie, Barry (english as well) complaines about the milk, the cheese, the meat, the bread...
Every country does it different. English milk tasted like chalk to me!

If you think about it, people still categorise us as a 3rd world Country, so don't be so surprised. And please, don't have anything that's 'been left in shop front windows that are warm all day.' It's only for uneducated stomachs.
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lauthra says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:11:

FCOL Friendly, posting in caps it's the equivalent of online SCREAMING so hit that caps lock please!
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

friendly says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:13:

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITAL LETTERS Ouch, sorry about the capital letters, I participate on a lot of forums and I am used to write on caps. I am not screamin :)
I JUST LOVE THE BIG LETTERS! :)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lauthra says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:15:

C'mon greenday! 'Why is it you people only shower once a week and don't use deodorant?'
That's such a erroneous stereotype, sure there's people that do that here too, but everyone in Barry's family showered everyday and used deodorant, even during the winter! I wouldn't know about the french...
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Albatross says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:19:

Unhealthy ??? You insist that the food is "unhealthy", but does it make the locals sick ? I don't think so. It may make tourists sick, but that's our problem. The water there will also make us sick, but they drink it all time.
Of course cholera, e-coli, ect. is a different story.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:25:

yes but at least Colombians rinse their dishes after washing them. I can't think of anything more unhygienic than the very English habit of washing the dishes with a lot of detergent without rinsing the goo off in running water.
I can complain too about the quality of dairy products in Colombia, but in general with all the fresh vegetables, tubers, fruit and herbs used in every Colombian kitchen to prepare the meals I don't really start to comprehend what's the complaint about meat-crazy Colombians about. Colombians eat plenty of healthy legumes like beans, lentils, chick peas etc. which often replace any meat in the diet.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

0 funny, 0 helpful.

adrimm says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:39:

Bored much? What a myopically ridiculous comment - especially on flavours and tastes. The same sort of differences exist between London and places like Delhi, and between countless other cities of the world.

Differences are all relative to one's own experience, and amazing as Bogota is, I don't think that anyone claims Bogota to be anything other than *Bogota* the capital of a lovely, somewhat unstable and still developing nation.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

greenday says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:40:

Lauthra sorry, but there exceptions to every rule, and I'm sure Barry and his family are one of the exceptions. I wouldn't expect you to be involved with someone who didn't have good hygiene!!

Hey, I've been traveling to Colombia for over 10 years (at least 35 trips) and I've NEVER gotten a stomach ailment. Of course I only eat young girls!!!!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:45:

"It's funny, but us Americans think the same about the Brits and the French. Why is it you people only shower once a week and don't use deodorant??"

greenday, you took the words outta my mouth

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

william_andrew_channell says on Jan 18, 2005, 09:57:

Two possibilities Londonmale is either:

1. Just writing all this stuff to get everybody really mad and laughing his ass off when people pissed about the stuff.

OR

2. Stupid.

Let's hope it's not #2.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

oldbongo says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:01:

hey londonkid... the oldgringos three brothers-in law are still
laughing about your take on family affection....

as to food, adrimm splained it pretty good.
with time you can adapt yourself,learn, improve.

greenday,.are you interested in a seat in the peanut gallery?

elmo,sounds like you had a lazy weekend filled with joy,
because your hitting on all cylinders,..today,.. boy.......con ritmo.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:13:

OG, where the hell you been. it looks like all systems are go for barranquilla. i will know tomorrow. my wife is going the first two weeks and i stay an additional 2 more weeks. she has to come back for work jejejej. listen, right after carnaval i'll be between cartagena, santa marta and back to barranquilla. i'll find out the exact dates tomorrow. i also need to contact Tone, i think he's going to be in colombia too.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

oldbongo says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:22:

i was making chicken soup.. why do you think that everyone thinks we are discussing
an IMAGINARY party.???...i wouldn't be slaving over a hot
stove all weekend if i wasn't catering for a costeno party.
looking forward to sending la commandante out shopping with nancy.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

KOMACHI says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:31:

THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVENT BEEN TO FRANCE I am colombian and lived in several countries, and what you said is the tipical cultural shock simptoms. that sees dirty where is not.
why dont you go to france and when they hand you the food with bare hands, and receive your money with the same hands... you tell me, or when you see the pieces of dog poo poo on the street, or when you get in to the metro and you faint thanks to the bad B.O then come to colombia.... and we will read what you have to say.



(^-^)/ ...como quiero a mi chinita y a mi Colombia carajo!!!...

(^-^)/ ...como quiero a mi chinita y a mi Colombia carajo!!!...

0 funny, 0 helpful.

nanis says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:39:

Londonmale i too live in london Where do you eat while you are there? I think you go to the galeria or something! And why go to Colombia for pizza? You should experience more we don’t just have greasy stuff we also have a lot of good food too I mean Colombia produces more fruits and vegetables than England does! Does England produce a good variety of fruits and vegetables? You guess is as good as mine! Anyway our food is not genetically modified like most food in the UK we are fortunate to taste the real organic stuff! So please tell your lovely wife to cook better food you should buy her a recepies book called “La Gran Cocina Colombiana� there you can find some really nice recepies from everywhere around Colombia

I wouldn’t criticise all the people here in the UK but most and I mean like 90% don’t wash themselves more than 3 times a week, if you go on the underground at 9 am the trains are packed full of people and you will notice a very odd smell there, yea people who haven’t even brushed their teeth and their bad breath gets into your lungs and that infuriates me!

As for the restaurants well many Colombians work in restaurants here and I know how they work in those places is nothing like you have described and they are very expensive restaurants my uncle works for a private members club off Oxford Street and he describes the food as utterly disgusting! The chef would freeze food for months and then heat it whenever a client arrives and this happens in most restaurants too.

When I cook my food I won’t freeze it straight away because all the flavour will disappear I mean what’s the point of cooking and then putting the food in the freezer? I would buy frozen food from the supermarkets and that way I wouldn’t have to cook but in Colombia we love to have everything home.

P.s. if you really dislike our Colombian food why go there in the first place? I wouldn’t be wasting my time and my money where I don’t feel comfortable! But if you do need to go to Colombia then cook your own English food what is it that you call it? Oh Sunday lunch or roast or whatever I think that is the only foods you people know how to cook sorry I forgot you don’t cook Sunday roast all you do is put all the ingredients in the oven and that’s it! So creative! Oh yea I have also noticed that my dear English friends don’t wash their veggies before cooking and some don’t even wash their meat all they do is put some oxo cubes… and what up with not washing your dishes properly?? All you do is put your dirty dishes in washing up liquid with a little water and dry them afterwards… very weird! And very unhygienic!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

KirkWest53 says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:55:

hahahahahah I noramlly don't get involved in raging depates, just read and listen, but I have to comment on this one. I travel all over the world, europe, asia, latin america, and all of the US. I make it a point to eat what the locals do. In my 15 + yeasrs of this, I have never been sick or disgusted. I figured out a long time ago that it's not killing the locals, so it probably wont kill me. I've eaten some mighty strange things but can come away saying "I've tried that. Just because the cultures and habits are different doesn't mean they're bad, just different. Relax and enjoy the local culture wherever you are.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

oldbongo says on Jan 18, 2005, 11:07:

hey kirk... the oldgrigos' been aroud the rock a few times
since the sixties,and been disgusted plenty.

have you eaten monkey brains, sucked live cobra blood,
eaten the yummy pigs eyes in the markets of cartagena,
scorpions, and best of all,...my salsa cucaracha...

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel says on Jan 18, 2005, 11:13:

Hey Londonmale Glad you enjoy papaya. Thanks for giving it. We took it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel says on Jan 18, 2005, 11:14:

Hey Londonmale "ECHO"

0 funny, 0 helpful.

brad216 says on Jan 18, 2005, 11:18:

england gourmet??? i'm an american and there's nothing more that i enjoy than the food in colombia on my visits. i've been to england on many trips and no one from england should be complaining too much about food or hygiene. i felt even the irish had better food than the english and everyone knows ireland is not known for their food. no one can beat colombian fresh fruit juices and where better to be on an atkins diet than colombia??? my suggestion is to put away your blood pudding and high tea and enjoy all the local dishes that colombia has to offer.

by the way, as much as i hate to admit it...the one thing that still takes a lot of getting used to is not flushing the toilet paper. that kind of still freaks me out but i will eventually get used to it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lionheart says on Jan 18, 2005, 14:34:

british butchers I have traveled the UK very oftem on business and for vacation. Especially when I was in smaller towns or hamlets I noticed something very disgusting there:

The butcher shops hang their meats and complete skinned dead animals with heads, feet etc in their windows, no cooling, nothing. Many of these butchers had such a stench to them that I had to cross over to the other side of the street, otherwise I would have vomited right in front of their shops ... maybe it would have improved the smell.

Imagining to eat that meat with steamed tasteless vegetables still makes my stomach churn. While in London or larger towns I ate Indian or Chinese ... I would rather eat dog or rat or cat than british meat.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gomezman5 says on Jan 18, 2005, 14:38:

How utterly appaling !!! While I know not from what realm you come, one thing is certain, it takes a lot of nerve to come to a board room that is dedicated to providing information about Colombian society, culture, and its people. While the world knows that Colombia, has its faults and indeed its problems, to indict an entire people, by accusing them of not having good hygiene is simply reprehensible.

Upon initially reading your entry, I thought the comment was deisinged to illicit controversy and therefore it should be ignored, in that everyone should be entitled to their opinion on anything. But when a comment of the type you made, is actually a sweeping generalization as to the clenliness of a people as a whole, I think such a comment begs for some degree of condemnation.

You might want to consider the old saying...."If you don't have something nice to say, you best not say it all." You not only might keep friends, but you might make a few more as opposed to alienating people as I believe you have done here.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

KOMACHI says on Jan 18, 2005, 14:58:

hey london
You come from the land of crapy food, the intake of nutritional food is equal to some poor fourth world country, nule taste and absolutely no variety in anything related to cuisine, lack of traditional food, and tell others that at least can change own dish for over a week, that food sucks??? what happen there?
will you get your hump out of la calle del cartucho for christ sake?!
no good to hang out there. and shower!

(^-^)/ ...como quiero a mi chinita y a mi Colombia carajo!!!...

(^-^)/ ...como quiero a mi chinita y a mi Colombia carajo!!!...

0 funny, 0 helpful.

spigrimace says on Jan 18, 2005, 15:17:

I don't get how you can say food in Colombia is bad If you're worried about prep in Colombia I know some stuff in NYC that you should be equally grossed out:

That pretzel cooked on the metal of a shopping cart after any sporting event. That BBQ with the rusted out 55 gallon drum sawed in half. Falafel meat, is it really meat??? And my favorite...the typical NYC dive bar bartender also cleans the cigarette butts out of the urinals.

I'm Italian and I've tried to find good nepolitan pizza or Italian food in Colombia and cannot find it. Some thin crust/brick oven type pizza places aren't sooo bad. But I didn't come here for Italian. Give me a Sancocho or Mondongo from that 78 year old grandma anyday. It's just as good as eating Aunt Rose's lasagna! Colombian food bad? fughetaboutit!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

santiBOG says on Jan 18, 2005, 15:32:

Hey londonmale at least colombianos and gringos have teeth.

And where the hell do you eat and hang out when in Colombia?

And stop the gate mail OK? It's just my humble opinion.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

adrimm says on Jan 18, 2005, 15:45:

Comments 1. Question for Lionheart
I know that a number of meats are aged before they are cut up...When I was kid my Dad used to go hunting and he'd often have skinned game hanging for up a week. (It was a hung in a cool place tho, not sunny at all).

Could the meat you saw hanging in the shop windows have been some gross variation on aging?

2. To the rest: Isn't it a little odd that we are all talking ourselves blue in the face over this and the OP hasn't even commented back once?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lionheart says on Jan 18, 2005, 16:15:

aging meat Yes adri, meat needs to normally be aged, one reason is to make sure the blood and other fluids are dried out. Wild meats like venison need longest aging, which also reduces some of their strong flavors. General rule, the redder the meat the longer it needs to age. This should always happen in a cool place, and definitely not in sunny shop windows with flies crawling all over it.

Carcasses or meat are aged by holding them at refrigeration temperatures for extended periods of time after slaughter and initial chill. Aging (or conditioning as it is called in many countries) improves the tenderness and flavor of meat. There are two methods for aging meat: wet aging and dry aging.

Dry aging is much more expensive and takes longer than wet aging. Meat which is dry aged is hung in a very clean, temperature and humidity controlled cooler for a period of two to four weeks. During this time, enzymes within the meat break down the muscle and connective tissue making it tender. Moisture is lost from the outer parts of the carcass causing an inedible crust to form which must be trimmed off and discarded. The carefully controlled environment, the time involved, and the loss of outer portions of the carcass make dry aging a costly process. I prefer dry aged meat for beef and buffalo especially, but also for venison.

Wet aging occurs when meat and its own juices are vacuum packed in plastic and boxed for distribution. Because the plastic packaging does not allow loss of moisture, the meat may absorb more moisture which results in an increase in juiciness and tenderness. Pork and lower supermarket quality red meats are improved this way.

Both methods of aging work well and can create a better product. The difference is that dry aging gives a more distinctive flavor while wet aging is much less costly and allows for a quicker entry to the market and therefore a much longer shelf-life. Many hunters reduce the dry aging to a week, because of contamination risks. Vaccuum packing and freezing continues the aging process.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

adrimm says on Jan 18, 2005, 16:51:

Enlightened - Thanks Lionheart ;)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

adrimm says on Jan 18, 2005, 16:51:

Enlightened - Thanks Lionheart ;)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

isaactraveler says on Jan 18, 2005, 17:51:

londonmale you are a troll, right? while I could read that from your initial posts, the rest just confirm it.

how could a someone from a country like England with horrible hygiene and the worst tooth decay /gingivitis in the world criticize a land of beautiful smiles? and even the poorest person is meticulous about their clothing.

where the hell are you eating anyway? from street vendors?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Steve in Canada says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:05:

Londonmale, my ancestors are from England. I have been there before, and here are my observations.

1) Food so bland and tasteless that it has to be chocked down.
2) Everything is way overpriced.
3) The air quality is horrible.
4) The people are boring and emotionless. (They are still not as bad as the French though).
5) The best part about England is a trip to the airport to leave the country.

Here are my observations about Columbia:

1)The food is absolutely delicious.
2) Everything is reasonably priced.
3) The weather is amazing-especially in Cartagena.
4) The Columbian people are friendly and full of life. Columbia has the most beautiful women in the world.
5) The worst part about Columbia, is having to leave!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

stevens says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:05:

Lionheart Thaks for the educational experience. You have a tendency to rescue threads that are potential firefights and make them better.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lionheart says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:19:

thanks stevens PBH is a very important forum for me, I learn a lot here about my future. I try my best to give back what is being given to me by the members. I think the most important trait of being a member here is patience, eventually the crackpots leave when they don't get their way. Make posts boring to them and interesting for the others. Grins, to be able to learn you need to be able to listen.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

isaactraveler says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:36:

damn, Lionheart I say we chip and and buy you cable. or maybe if you already have cable, take away discovery channel.

ok I will admit that was good info on meat and curing. I will be popular at work tomorrow armed with this information.

what do you know about training dolphins to smell cancer tumors in free range chickens?

damn you smart peoples

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lionheart says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:44:

forget the discovery channel but leave me the food channel

I was just hiding the disgusting sentence about the flies hopping around on british meat. I didn't even start asking about his experience on eating meat with mad cow disease yet.

Of all countries of this planet, how a brit can critisize food from a different country is beyond any understanding.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kernow62 says on Jan 18, 2005, 21:04:

This topic has turned into everything bad about this site. Sure the original post was just to wind everyone up, and then everyone fell into bashing and uneducated generalizations.

I am not defending the original post, it was someone having go at a little agro. I am disappointed in all the usually educated posters who turned ignorant because of it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gomezman5 says on Jan 18, 2005, 21:31:

Hi Kernow.....

























Kernow....I am confused...at least a bit. I am not sure who you are
critcizing in the above thread. The person who started the discusion or the subsequent threads.....Could you clarify.

Honestly, I always value your opinion. Please clarify what you said.
Thanks
G5

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2005, 22:08:

I agree with adri what she said (was in another thread started by londonmale) that we are here dissing and ranting and finding faults in everybody else's hygiene and lifestyle and he hasn't said a word to back up his provocative statements. I refuse to contribute more to this parody.
BTW. lionheart, thanks for the informative post about hanging the meat. In Colombia meat is often not hung over longer periods of time, just butchered at dawn and sold over the same day.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kernow62 says on Jan 18, 2005, 22:24:

Gomezman I was being critical of the majority of the posts. The original post as well as the broad generalizations about Brits and French.

One could easily make silly comments about Canadians or Americans or Mexicans, but what purpose does it serve other than to show ones own ignorance. I am especially surprised that a person with a moderators star would stoop to this level.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Lionheart says on Jan 18, 2005, 22:27:

a question about meat in Latin America I noticed the practice of slaughtering and preparing the the meat within the same day first in Argentina, then Brazil, and now Colombia. This has tradition with the gauchos, vaqueiros, or llaneros. They had no way of preserving meat, and after butchering a cow, they would cook it immediately over an open fire with the skin. This was the beginning of the asado con cuero, still popular today in some recipes. My question now is this the traditional reason that meat isn't aged but prefered fresh?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gomezman5 says on Jan 19, 2005, 00:01:

Kernow...I think it comes down to this I think that the people are kind of irritated that a person would come to this board and make this rediculous generalization about a country.

I think it can safely be inferred that when someone says that the restaurants are not clean, you are also saying that the people are not either. That being said, I myself, along with every other person of Colombian desent are insulted by such a remark.

I suppose we could have ignored this character. But, the remark was simply too provocative, and called for some response. Anyone who did so as far as I am concerned, was within his right to do so.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ACBlessing says on Jan 19, 2005, 00:29:

Dammit oldgringo! I've been asking you for your recipe for salsa cucaracha and you still won't give it to me!!! You just dangle it in the forums all the time!

Alex Blessing, Spokane, WA USA
alex at acblessing.com
www.acblessing.com

Just plain poor

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Bruce V. Shrader says on Jan 19, 2005, 01:38:

Food in Colombia The quality of the food depends upon where you
go to eat it. You can go to the supermarkets
such as Carrefour, Exitos or La14 and purchase
foods (including meats) which are clean and of
high quality or go purchase them in "The Gallaria".

The same goes for restaurants. If you want to be really
"Grossed out", go eat in the galleria in Buenaventura
or go eat in Guanchaco.

It really depends upon what you are looking for.

Personally, I prefer the higher quality restaurants.

BTW, Pizza was not invented in Italy, It was invented
in New York City!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ACBlessing says on Jan 19, 2005, 02:23:

Anyone heard of Archies? It's only the best pizza in the world...and it's in Colombia:

http://www.acblessing.com/images/!Alex%20Archies%20BW.jpg

Anyway, I like going to San Andrecito and getting a paper plate full of rice and pork dug out of the whole-roasted pig as shown:

http://www.acblessing.com/images/San%20Andres%20(4).jpg

Alex Blessing, Spokane, WA USA
alex at acblessing.com
www.acblessing.com

Just plain poor

0 funny, 0 helpful.

viewpoint says on Jan 19, 2005, 03:25:

London Male Quote: WHY IS THE FOOD AND HYGIENE SO BAD IN COLOMBIA ????

It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance that gets posted here from time to time.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kernow62 says on Jan 19, 2005, 05:57:

Gomezman, I can understand why people became upset, the post was ignorant, however to then bash another country really encorages this sort of behavior. You are Colombian and of course you would be upset. I am British and frankly most of the comments are just sterotypes. Yes Britain now has a lot of health related problems due to obesity, but it is not typical British food that is the cause of it, it is an imported problem.

Yes, Britain had Mad Cow disease, a terrible disease which should not be joked about, for the people who contracted it and their families and friends it is a terrible way to see a loved one die. The same thing could easily happen in countless other countries, the US is not immune from such problems. The testing currently in place has been shown to be flawed, it is too costly to implement as the costs would have to be passed along to American consumers. Those of us who eat meat are eating "downers" all the time without knowing it.

Britain has a very varied cuisine, but most foreigners have never tried them. Each region has countless recipes, and most are just basic common country fare. If there are any cooks on this board I will be glad to PM a few recipes for them to try out. Then they can pass judgement. Just as in Colombia you can find a wonderful variety of fruits and vegetables, the same can be said of Britain or France, they might be different, but the variety in any market is astounding.

The "bad tetth" sterotype is a good case in point. My father's generation had terrible teeth and so did the following generation if they were born in the 1950s. The reasons were simple, not enough nutritous food between the wars and after the war when rationing was lifted children indulged in what they couldn't have before, sugar. The lack of flouride (sp?) in the water didn't help. Only 7% of people visited their NHS dentist. Flouride (sp?) is now in the water, and people in general have started to take better care of their teeth. Soft drinks and unhealthy diets are starting to swing the problem back into the forefront again and there is much tooth decay amongst youngsters.

And just to show that I do have a sense of humour about the whole discussion I will close with a poem.

"English Teeth, English Teeth!
Shining in the sun
A part of British heritage
Aye, each and every one.

English Teeth, Happy Teeth!
Always having fun
Champing down on bits of fish
And sausages half done.

English Teeth, HEROES' Teeth!
Here them click! and clack!
Let's sing a song of praise to them -
Three Cheers for the Brown Grey and Black."

0 funny, 0 helpful.

umm says on Jan 19, 2005, 06:08:

lundenmale You should see the kitchen in Greece or especially in Crete.
There is no hot food. There is only lukewarm food.
When you ask someone to heat up the pasta for you then he stares at you, takes the plate, comes back after 20 minutes with burned smelling pasta but the pasta is still lukewarm.
Go to India, they put so many spices so that they can keep the food for a while even if it is not so warm.
In China they eat all kinds of stuff you dont want to know about it.
In Thailand they prepare the food in the morning and offer it during the day to the people, fried grasshoppers, fried cockroaches but also veggie.
During my last trip to England I got quite a strong diarrhea, probably from a rotten sausage I had in a three star restaurant.
In Colombia I can eat what I want and I never get diarrhea.

So, what are you talking about?
UMM

UMM

My Forum

0 funny, 0 helpful.

chicharron says on Jan 19, 2005, 06:40:

and pray tell... "WHY DOES THE LORD MAYOR OF LONDON WEAR RED, WHITE AND BLUE BRACES?" - cos he's a big lard ass obviously !!

Beef dripping withdrawn from sale
Tuesday, 28 September 2004

The Food Standards Agency has launched an investigation after beef dripping made from fat not intended for human consumption was found to be on sale.

The fat that is not intended for human consumption would typically be used after processing and refining to make products such as petfood, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals.

The affected batch has best before dates of Feb 2005 or Mar 2005 followed by the numbers 4229 to 4261 (inclusive).

0 funny, 0 helpful.

lozza says on Jan 19, 2005, 08:27:

From another male from London My girlfriend from Medellin studies diet and nutrition and knows what is a hygienic restaurant and what is not (yes there are some bad ones in Colombia, as there are everywhere) but we still get to eat most places with her approval!! Believe me, if you think England's restaurant kitchens are all spic'n'span, it's just because you can't see them and like to believe that. At least in Colombia you can see a lot more inside the kitchen and what's going on and it's not all behind a closed door (you don't know what's going on behind those doors boy!!)
Also, since my lady has arrived in London she has commented on how much meat she's been eating since being here and the effects on her body of the increased protein (though she's not complaining).

However, to all you dissing the food here - you have been going to the wrong places - the range and quality of food in London is incredible, and it doesn't have to be expensive. If any of you are in doubt, come round to my mums for a proper dinner!!
Obviously i am biased about the food, but again my girlfriend has been loving it, desperately trying to get all the recipes to take back to Colombia and she's been gaining healthy and enjoyable pounds to the barriga!! It's all about where you go, who you know and how much you really appreciate food. Her pleasure has been recipricated (don't know how to spell that - and i'm an English teacher!!)though, a bowl of mondongo the other night and a bandeja paisa coming up soon.
Anyway, just to say, the original post was ignorant and mis-informed, but a lot of the replies have been the same about England (how about a bit more information for this young man about where to go to get a good bit of grub in Colombia - specific places, restaurants etc.) - enlighten the poor fellow.

And finally - I am English, i rinse my dishes, shower twice a day, have always been told by the dentist i have perfect teeth (not a filling in sight) and i've got more rhythm than a New Orleans Jazz quartet!!

Later

Lozza

0 funny, 0 helpful.

utopiacowboy says on Jan 19, 2005, 08:38:

It's a sham of a mockery of a parody. Let's feed Los Trolls!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

miamimike says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:02:

On Food--Be Careful Whichever Country you are in- A person has to be on guard whatever country you are in-there are good & Bad wherever, whenever. Here in Miami-many restaurants are dirty--many! No hot water&soap in the restrooms??--probably bad news for the consumer.Restaurants personnel use the same restrooms as the customers and if they do not wash their hands throughly they can bring their "Bugs" to you in your plate of food. Here in the US lack of Handwashing is the #1 germ transmission in our hospitals. In Miami-1000s of cases monthly are filed on food borne illnesses.Its no laughing manner. Protect yourself-bring a small bottle of hand sanitizer with you--I have done this for years-I hate the flu, colds, ect. and cleaning hands is the #1 way to prevent many cases. Even here in Miami at Subway where they use Rubber Gloves to prepare your food-they were gigged for Improperly refrigerating their foods in the serving line.If you are really really concerned buy your meat and poultry at a Kosher Carniceria-their standards are much more rigid then the USDA Standards.Some people(natives) can drink the water and eat in the food in different countries and not be asymptomatic(no sign of food/water Illnesses) because their systems have been acclimated after many years resulting in a natural immunity. The CDC has a good web page on the details.Protect yourself wherever you are-no one country has the upper hand concerning food borne illnesses.pages)



What is foodborne disease?

What are the most common foodborne diseases?

Are the types of foodborne diseases changing?

What happens in the body after the microbes that produce illness are swallowed?

How are foodborne diseases diagnosed?

How are foodborne diseases treated?

When should I consult my doctor about a diarrheal illness?

How many cases of foodborne disease are there in the United States?

How do public health departments track foodborne diseases?

What is a foodborne disease outbreak and why do they occur?

Why do public health officials investigate outbreaks?

How are outbreaks of foodborne disease detected?

How is a foodborne disease outbreak investigated?

How does food become contaminated?

What foods are most associated with foodborne illness?

What can consumers do to protect themselves from foodborne illness?

Are some people more likely to contract a foodborne illness? If so, are there special precautions they should take?

What can consumers do when they eat in restaurants?

There is only so much the consumer can do. How can food be made safer in the first place?

What is CDC doing to control and prevent foodborne disease?

What are some critical unsolved problems in foodborne disease?

Where can I learn more about foodborne diseases?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is foodborne disease?

Foodborne disease is caused by consuming contaminated foods or beverages. Many different disease-causing microbes, or pathogens, can contaminate foods, so there are many different foodborne infections. In addition, poisonous chemicals, or other harmful substances can cause foodborne diseases if they are present in food.

More than 250 different foodborne diseases have been described. Most of these diseases are infections, caused by a variety of bacteria, viruses, and parasites that can be foodborne. Other diseases are poisonings, caused by harmful toxins or chemicals that have contaminated the food, for example, poisonous mushrooms. These different diseases have many different symptoms, so there is no one "syndrome" that is foodborne illness. However, the microbe or toxin enters the body through the gastrointestinal tract, and often causes the first symptoms there, so nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps and diarrhea are common symptoms in many foodborne diseases.

Many microbes can spread in more than one way, so we cannot always know that a disease is foodborne. The distinction matters, because public health authorities need to know how a particular disease is spreading to take the appropriate steps to stop it. For example, Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections can spread through contaminated food, contaminated drinking water, contaminated swimming water, and from toddler to toddler at a day care center. Depending on which means of spread caused a case, the measures to stop other cases from occurring could range from removing contaminated food from stores, chlorinating a swimming pool, or closing a child day care center.




What are the most common foodborne diseases?

The most commonly recognized foodborne infections are those caused by the bacteria Campylobacter, Salmonella, and E. coli O157:H7, and by a group of viruses called calicivirus, also known as the Norwalk and Norwalk-like viruses.

Campylobacter is a bacterial pathogen that causes fever, diarrhea, and abdominal cramps. It is the most commonly identified bacterial cause of diarrheal illness in the world. These bacteria live in the intestines of healthy birds, and most raw poultry meat has Campylobacter on it. Eating undercooked chicken, or other food that has been contaminated with juices dripping from raw chicken is the most frequent source of this infection.

Salmonella is also a bacterium that is widespread in the intestines of birds, reptiles and mammals. It can spread to humans via a variety of different foods of animal origin. The illness it causes, salmonellosis, typically includes fever, diarrhea and abdominal cramps. In persons with poor underlying health or weakened immune systems, it can invade the bloodstream and cause life-threatening infections.

E. coli O157:H7 is a bacterial pathogen that has a reservoir in cattle and other similar animals. Human illness typically follows consumption of food or water that has been contaminated with microscopic amounts of cow feces. The illness it causes is often a severe and bloody diarrhea and painful abdominal cramps, without much fever. In 3% to 5% of cases, a complication called hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) can occur several weeks after the initial symptoms. This severe complication includes temporary anemia, profuse bleeding, and kidney failure.

Calicivirus, or Norwalk-like virus is an extremely common cause of foodborne illness, though it is rarely diagnosed, because the laboratory test is not widely available. It causes an acute gastrointestinal illness, usually with more vomiting than diarrhea, that resolves within two days. Unlike many foodborne pathogens that have animal reservoirs, it is believed that Norwalk-like viruses spread primarily from one infected person to another. Infected kitchen workers can contaminate a salad or sandwich as they prepare it, if they have the virus on their hands. Infected fishermen have contaminated oysters as they harvested them.

Some common diseases are occasionally foodborne, even though they are usually transmitted by other routes. These include infections caused by Shigella, hepatitis A, and the parasites Giardia lamblia and Cryptosporidia. Even strep throats have been transmitted occasionally through food.

In addition to disease caused by direct infection, some foodborne diseases are caused by the presence of a toxin in the food that was produced by a microbe in the food. For example, the bacterium Staphylococcus aureus can grow in some foods and produce a toxin that causes intense vomiting. The rare but deadly disease botulism occurs when the bacterium Clostridium botulinum grows and produces a powerful paralytic toxin in foods. These toxins can produce illness even if the microbes that produced them are no longer there.

Other toxins and poisonous chemicals can cause foodborne illness. People can become ill if a pesticide is inadvertently added to a food, or if naturally poisonous substances are used to prepare a meal. Every year, people become ill after mistaking poisonous mushrooms for safe species, or after eating poisonous reef fishes.

Related links:
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses



Are the types of foodborne diseases changing?


The spectrum of foodborne diseases is constantly changing. A century ago, typhoid fever, tuberculosis and cholera were common foodborne diseases. Improvements in food safety, such as pasteurization of milk, safe canning, and disinfection of water supplies have conquered those diseases. Today other foodborne infections have taken their place, including some that have only recently been discovered. For example, in 1996, the parasite Cyclospora suddenly appeared as a cause of diarrheal illness related to Guatemalan raspberries. These berries had just started to be grown commercially in Guatemala, and somehow became contaminated in the field there with this unusual parasite. In 1998, a new strain of the bacterium Vibrio parahemolyticus contaminated oyster beds in Galveston Bay and caused an epidemic of diarrheal illness in persons eating the oysters raw. The affected oyster beds were near the shipping lanes, which suggested that the bacterium arrived in the ballast water of freighters and tankers coming into the harbor from distant ports. Newly recognized microbes emerge as public health problems for several reasons: microbes can easily spread around the world, new microbes can evolve, the environment and ecology are changing, food production practices and consumption habits change, and because better laboratory tests can now identify microbes that were previously unrecognized.

In the last 15 years, several important diseases of unknown cause have turned out to be complications of foodborne infections. For example, we now know that the Guillain-Barre syndrome can be caused by Campylobacter infection, and that the most common cause of acute kidney failure in children, hemolytic uremic syndrome, is caused by infection with E. coli O157:H7 and related bacteria. In the future, other diseases whose origins are currently unknown may turn out be related to foodborne infections.

Related links:
New, Reemerging, and Drug-Resistant Infections
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses



What happens in the body after the microbes that produce illness are swallowed?

After they are swallowed, there is a delay, called the incubation period, before the symptoms of illness begin. This delay may range from hours to days, depending on the organism, and on how many of them were swallowed. During the incubation period, the microbes pass through the stomach into the intestine, attach to the cells lining the intestinal walls, and begin to multiply there. Some types of microbes stay in the intestine, some produce a toxin that is absorbed into the bloodstream, and some can directly invade the deeper body tissues. The symptoms produced depend greatly on the type of microbe. Numerous organisms cause similar symptoms, especially diarrhea, abdominal cramps, and nausea. There is so much overlap that it is rarely possible to say which microbe is likely to be causing a given illness unless laboratory tests are done to identify the microbe, or unless the illness is part of a recognized outbreak.



How are foodborne diseases diagnosed?

The infection is usually diagnosed by specific laboratory tests that identify the causative organism. Bacteria such as Campylobacter, Salmonella, E. coli O157 are found by culturing stool samples in the laboratory and identifying the bacteria that grow on the agar or other culture medium. Parasites can be identified by examining stools under the microscope. Viruses are more difficult to identify, as they are too small to see under a light microscope and are difficult to culture. Viruses are usually identified by testing stool samples for genetic markers that indicate a specific virus is present.

Many foodborne infections are not identified by routine laboratory procedures and require specialized, experimental, and/or expensive tests that are not generally available. If the diagnosis is to be made, the patient has to seek medical attention, the physician must decide to order diagnostic tests, and the laboratory must use the appropriate procedures. Because many ill persons to not seek attention, and of those that do, many are not tested, many cases of foodborne illness go undiagnosed. For example, CDC estimates that 38 cases of salmonellosis actually occur for every case that is actually diagnosed and reported to public health authorities.

Related links:
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses



How are foodborne diseases treated?

There are many different kinds of foodborne diseases and they may require different treatments, depending on the symptoms they cause. Illnesses that are primarily diarrhea or vomiting can lead to dehydration if the person loses more body fluids and salts (electrolytes) than they take in. Replacing the lost fluids and electrolytes and keeping up with fluid intake are important. If diarrhea is severe, oral rehydration solution such as Ceralyte*, Pedialyte* or Oralyte*, should be drunk to replace the fluid losses and prevent dehydration. Sports drinks such as Gatorade* do not replace the losses correctly and should not be used for the treatment of diarrheal illness. Preparations of bismuth subsalicylate (e.g., Pepto-Bismol)* can reduce the duration and severity of simple diarrhea. If diarrhea and cramps occur, without bloody stools or fever, taking an antidiarrheal medication may provide symptomatic relief, but these medications should be avoided if there is high fever or blood in the stools because they may make the illness worse.

*CDC does not endorse commercial products or services.



When should I consult my doctor about a diarrheal illness?

A health care provider should be consulted for a diarrheal illness is accompanied by

high fever (temperature over 101.5 F, measured orally)
blood in the stools
prolonged vomiting that prevents keeping liquids down (which can lead to dehydration)
signs of dehydration, including a decrease in urination, a dry mouth and throat, and feeling dizzy when standing up.
diarrheal illness that lasts more than 3 days
Do not be surprised if your doctor does not prescribe an antibiotic. Many diarrheal illnesses are caused by viruses and will improve in 2 or 3 days without antibiotic therapy. In fact, antibiotics have no effect on viruses, and using an antibiotic to treat a viral infection could cause more harm than good It is often not necessary to take an antibiotic even in the case of a mild bacterial infection. Other treatments can help the symptoms, and careful handwashing can prevent the spread of infection to other people. Overuse of antibiotics is the principal reason many bacteria are becoming resistant. Resistant bacteria are no longer killed by the antibiotic. This means that it is important to use antibiotics only when they are really needed. Partial treatment can also cause bacteria to become resistant. If an antibiotic is prescribed, it is important to take all of the medication as prescribed, and not stop early just because the symptoms seem to be improving.

Related links:
Antibiotic resistance
National Antimicrobial Resistance Monitoring System (NARMS)



How many cases of foodborne disease are there in the United States?

An estimated 76 million cases of foodborne disease occur each year in the United States. The great majority of these cases are mild and cause symptoms for only a day or two. Some cases are more serious, and CDC estimates that there are 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths related to foodborne diseases each year. The most severe cases tend to occur in the very old, the very young, those who have an illness already that reduces their immune system function, and in healthy people exposed to a very high dose of an organism.

Related links:
Food-Related Illness and Death in the United States
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses



How do public health departments track foodborne diseases?

Routine monitoring of important diseases by public health departments is called disease surveillance. Each state decides which diseases are to be under surveillance in that state. In most states, diagnosed cases of salmonellosis, E. coli O157:H7 and other serious infections are routinely reported to the health department. The county reports them to the state health department, which reports them to CDC. Tens of thousands of cases of these "notifiable conditions" are reported every year. For example, nearly 35,000 cases of Salmonella infection were reported to CDC in 1998. However, most foodborne infections go undiagnosed and unreported, either because the ill person does not see a doctor, or the doctor does not make a specific diagnosis. Also, infections with some microbes are not reportable in the first place.

To get more information about infections that might be diagnosed but not reported, CDC developed a special surveillance system called FoodNet. FoodNet provides the best available information about specific foodborne infections in the United States, and summarizes them in an annual report.

In addition to tracking the number of reported cases of individual infections, states also collect information about foodborne outbreaks, and report a summary of that information to CDC. About 400-500 foodborne outbreaks investigated by local and state health departments are reported each year. This includes information about many diseases that are not notifiable and thus are not under individual surveillance, so it provides some useful general information about foodborne diseases.

Related links:
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses
FoodNet - CDC/USDA/FDA Foodborne Diseases Active Surveillance Network
Reporting foodborne illness
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE)




What are foodborne disease outbreaks and why do they occur?

An outbreak of foodborne illness occurs when a group of people consume the same contaminated food and two or more of them come down with the same illness. It may be a group that ate a meal together somewhere, or it may be a group of people who do not know each other at all, but who all happened to buy and eat the same contaminated item from a grocery store or restaurant. For an outbreak to occur, something must have happened to contaminate a batch of food that was eaten by a the group of people. Often, a combination of events contributes to the outbreak. A contaminated food may be left out a room temperature for many hours, allowing the bacteria to multiply to high numbers, and then be insufficiently cooked to kill the bacteria.

Many outbreaks are local in nature. They are recognized when a group of people realize that they all became ill after a common meal, and someone calls the local health department. This classic local outbreak might follow a catered meal at a reception, a pot-luck supper, or eating a meal at an understaffed restaurant on a particularly busy day. However, outbreaks are increasingly being recognized that are more widespread, that affect persons in many different places, and that are spread out over several weeks. For example, a recent outbreak of salmonellosis was traced to persons eating a breakfast cereal produced at a factory in Minnesota, and marketed under several different brand names in many different states. No one county or state had very many cases and the cases did not know each other. The outbreaks was recognized because it was caused by an unusual strain of Salmonella, and because state public health laboratories that type Salmonella strains noticed a sudden increase in this one rare strain. In another recent outbreak, a particular peanut snack food caused the same illness in Israel, Europe and North America. Again, this was recognized as an increase in infections caused by a rare strain of Salmonella.

The vast majority of reported cases of foodborne illness are not part of recognized outbreaks, but occurs as individual or "sporadic" cases. It may be that many of these cases are actually part of unrecognized widespread or diffuse outbreaks. Detecting and investigating such widespread outbreaks is a major challenge to our public health system. This is the reason that new and more sophisticated laboratory methods are being used at CDC and in state public health department laboratories.

Related links:
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses
Reporting foodborne illness
FoodNet - CDC/USDA/FDA Foodborne Diseases Active Surveillance Network
PulseNet - The National Molecular Subtyping Network for Foodborne Disease Surveillance





Why do public health officials investigate outbreaks?

A foodborne outbreak is an indication that something needs to be improved in our food safety system. Public health scientists investigate outbreaks to control them, and also to learn how similar outbreaks can be prevented in the future. Just as when a fire breaks out in a large building or when an airliner crashes, two activities are critical when an outbreak occurs. First, emergency action is needed to keep the immediate danger from spreading, and second, a detailed objective scientific investigation is needed to learn what went wrong, so that future similar events can be prevented. Much of what we know about foodborne disease and its prevention comes from detailed investigation of outbreaks. This is often how a new pathogen is identified, and this is how the critical information linking a pathogen to a specific food and animal reservoir is first gathered. The full investigation can require a team with multiple talents, including the epidemiologist, microbiologist, food sanitarian, food scientist, veterinarian, and factory process engineer.




How are outbreaks of foodborne disease detected?

The initial clue that an outbreak is occurring can come in various ways. It may be when a person realizes that several other people who were all together at an event have become ill and he or she calls the local health department. It may be when a physician realizes she has seen more than the usual number of patients with the same illness. It may be when a county health department gets an unusually large number of reports of illness. The hardest outbreaks to detect are those that are spread over a large geographic area, with only a few cases in each state. These outbreaks can be detected by combining surveillance reports at the regional or national level and looking for increases in infections of a specific type. This is why state public health laboratories determine the serotype of Salmonella bacteria isolated from people. New "DNA fingerprinting" technologies can make detecting outbreaks easier too. For example, the new molecular subtyping network, PulseNet, allows state laboratories and CDC to compare strains of E. coli O157:H7 and an increasing number of other pathogens from all across the United States to detect widespread outbreaks.

After an apparent cluster of cases is detected, it is important to determine whether these cases represent a real increase above the expected number of cases and whether they really might be related. Sometimes a cluster of reported cases is caused by something other than an actual outbreak of illness. For example, if the person responsible for reporting has just returned from a vacation and is clearing up a backlog of cases by reporting them all at once, the sudden surge of reports is just a false cluster.

Related links:
Reporting foodborne illness
FoodNet - CDC/USDA/FDA Foodborne Diseases Active Surveillance Network
PulseNet - The National Molecular Subtyping Network for Foodborne Disease Surveillance
Surveillance for Foodborne Disease Outbreaks
Preliminary FoodNet Data on the Incidence of Foodborne Illnesses





How is a foodborne disease outbreak investigated?

Once an outbreak is strongly suspected, an investigation begins. A search is made for more cases among persons who may have been exposed. The symptoms and time of onset, and location of possible cases is determined, and a "case definition" is developed that describes these typical cases. The outbreak is systematically described by time, place, and person. A graph is drawn of the number of people who fell ill on each successive day to show pictorially when it occurred. A map of where the ill people live, work, or eat may be helpful to show where it occurred. Calculating the distribution of cases by age and sex shows who is affected. If the causative microbe is not known, samples of stool or blood are collected from ill people and sent to the public health laboratory to make the diagnosis.

To identify the food or other source of the outbreak, the investigators first interview a few persons with the most typical cases about exposures they may have had in the few days before they got sick. In this way, certain potential exposures may be excluded while others that are mentioned repeatedly emerge as possibilities. Combined with other information, such as the likely sources for the specific microbe involved, these hypotheses are then tested in a formal epidemiologic investigation. The investigators conduct systematic interviews about a list of possible exposures with the ill persons, and with a comparable group people who are not ill. By comparing how often an exposure is reported by ill people and by well people, investigators can measure the association of the exposure with illness. Using probability statistics, similar to those used to describe coin flips, the probability of no association is directly calculated.

For example, imagine that an outbreak has occurred after a catered event. Initial investigation suggested that Hollandaise sauce was eaten by at least some of the attendees, so it is on the list of possible hypotheses. Now, we interview 20 persons who attended the affair, 10 of whom became ill and 10 who remained well. Each ill or well person is interviewed about whether or not they ate the Hollandaise sauce, as well as various other food items. If half the people ate the sauce, but the sauce was not associated with the illness, then we would expect each person to have a 50/50 chance of reporting that they ate it, regardless of whether they were ill or not. Suppose, however, that we find that all 10 ill people but none of the well persons reported eating Hollandaise sauce at the event? This would be very unlikely to occur by chance alone if eating the Hollandaise sauce were not somehow related to the risk of illness. In fact, it would be about as unlikely as getting heads ten times in a row by flipping a coin (That is 50% multiplied by itself 10 times over, or a chance of just under 1 in 1000). So the epidemiologist concludes that eating the Hollandaise sauce was very likely to be associated with the risk of illness. Note that the investigator can draw this conclusion even though there is no Hollandaise sauce left to test in a laboratory. The association is even stronger if she can show that those who ate second helpings of Hollandaise were even more likely to become ill, or that persons who ate leftover Hollandaise sauce that went home in doggie bags also became ill.

Once a food item is statistically implicated in this manner, further investigation into its ingredients and preparation, and microbiologic culture of leftover ingredients or the food itself (if available) may provide additional information about the nature of contamination. Perhaps the Hollandaise sauce was made using raw eggs. The source of the raw eggs can be determined, and it may even be possible to trace them back to the farm and show that chickens on the farm are carrying the same strain of Salmonella in their ovaries. If so, the eggs from that farm can be pasteurized to prevent them from causing other outbreaks.

Some might think that the best investigation method would be just to culture all the leftover foods in the kitchen, and conclude that the one that is positive is the one that caused the outbreak. The trouble is that this can be misleading, because it happens after the fact. What if the Hollandaise sauce is all gone, but the spoon that was in the sauce got placed in potato salad that was not served at the function? Now, cultures of the potato salad yield a pathogen, and the unwary tester might call that the source of the outbreak, even though the potato salad had nothing to do with it. This means that laboratory testing without epidemiologic investigation can lead to the wrong conclusion.

Even without isolating microbes from food, a well-conducted epidemiologic investigation can guide immediate efforts to control the outbreak. A strong and consistent statistical association between illness and a particular food item that explains the distribution of the outbreak in time, place and person should be acted upon immediately to stop further illness from occurring.

An outbreak ends when the critical exposure stops. This may happen because all the contaminated food is eaten or recalled, because a restaurant is closed or a food processor shuts down or changes its procedures, or an infected food handler is no longer infectious or is no longer working with food. An investigation that clarifies the nature and mechanism of contamination can provide critical information even if the outbreak is over. Understanding the contamination event well enough to prevent it can guide the decision to resume usual operations, and lead to more general prevention measures that reduce the risk of similar outbreaks happening elsewhere.





How does food become contaminated?
We live in a microbial world, and there are many opportunities for food to become contaminated as it is produced and prepared. Many foodborne microbes are present in healthy animals (usually in their intestines) raised for food. Meat and poultry carcasses can become contaminated during slaughter by contact with small amounts of intestinal contents. Similarly, fresh fruits and vegetables can be contaminated if they are washed or irrigated with water that is contaminated with animal manure or human sewage. Some types of Salmonella can infect a hen's ovary so that the internal contents of a normal looking egg can be contaminated with Salmonella even before the shell in formed. Oysters and other filter feeding shellfish can concentrate Vibrio bacteria that are naturally present in sea water, or other microbes that are present in human sewage dumped into the sea.

Later in food processing, other foodborne microbes can be introduced from infected humans who handle the food, or by cross contamination from some other raw agricultural product. For example, Shigella bacteria, hepatitis A virus and Norwalk virus can be introduced by the unwashed hands of food handlers who are themselves infected. In the kitchen, microbes can be transferred from one food to another food by using the same knife, cutting board or other utensil to prepare both without washing the surface or utensil in between. A food that is fully cooked can become recontaminated if it touches other raw foods or drippings from raw foods that contain pathogens.

The way that food is handled after it is contaminated can also make a difference in whether or not an outbreak occurs. Many bacterial microbes need to multiply to a larger number before enough are present in food to cause disease. Given warm moist conditions and an ample supply of nutrients, one bacterium that reproduces by dividing itself every half hour can produce 17 million progeny in 12 hours. As a result, lightly contaminated food left out overnight can be highly infectious by the next day. If the food were refrigerated promptly, the bacteria would not multiply at all. In general, refrigeration or freezing prevents virtually all bacteria from growing but generally preserves them in a state of suspended animation. This general rule has a few surprising exceptions. Two foodborne bacteria, Listeria monocytogenes and Yersinia enterocolitica can actually grow at refrigerator temperatures. High salt, high sugar or high acid levels keep bacteria from growing, which is why salted meats, jam, and pickled vegetables are traditional preserved foods.

Microbes are killed by heat. If food is heated to an internal temperature above 160oF, or 78oC, for even a few seconds this sufficient to kill parasites, viruses or bacteria, except for the Clostridium bacteria, which produce a heat-resistant form called a spore. Clostridium spores are killed only at temperatures above boiling. This is why canned foods must be cooked to a high temperature under pressure as part of the canning process.

The toxins produced by bacteria vary in their sensitivity to heat. The staphylococcal toxin which causes vomiting is not inactivated even if it is boiled. Fortunately, the potent toxin that causes botulism is completely inactivated by boiling.





What foods are most associated with foodborne illness?

Raw foods of animal origin are the most likely to be contaminated; that is, raw meat and poultry, raw eggs, unpasteurized milk, and raw shellfish. Because filter-feeding shellfish strain microbes from the sea over many months, they are particularly likely to be contaminated if there are any pathogens in the seawater. Foods that mingle the products of many individual animals, such as bulk raw milk, pooled raw eggs, or ground beef, are particularly hazardous because a pathogen present in any one of the animals may contaminate the whole batch. A single hamburger may contain meat from hundreds of animals. A single restaurant omelet may contain eggs from hundreds of chickens. A glass of raw milk may contain milk from hundreds of cows. A broiler chicken carcass can be exposed to the drippings and juices of many thousands of other birds that went through the same cold water tank after slaughter.

Fruits and vegetables consumed raw are a particular concern. Washing can decrease but not eliminate contamination, so the consumers can do little to protect themselves. Recently, a number of outbreak have been traced to fresh fruits and vegetables that were processed under less than sanitary conditions. These outbreaks show that the quality of the water used for washing and chilling the produce after it is harvested is critical. Using water that is not clean can contaminate many boxes of produce. Fresh manure used to fertilize vegetables can also contaminate them. Alfalfa sprouts and other raw sprouts pose a particular challenge, as the conditions under which they are sprouted are ideal for growing microbes as well as sprouts, and because they are eaten without further cooking. That means that a few bacteria present on the seeds can grow to high numbers of pathogens on the sprouts. Unpasteurized fruit juice can also be contaminated if there are pathogens in or on the fruit that is used to make it.





What can consumers do to protect themselves from foodborne illness?

A few simple precautions can reduce the risk of foodborne diseases:

COOK meat, poultry and eggs thoroughly. Using a thermometer to measure the internal temperature of meat is a good way to be sure that it is cooked sufficiently to kill bacteria. For example, ground beef should be cooked to an internal temperature of 160o F. Eggs should be cooked until the yolk is firm.

SEPARATE: Don't cross-contaminate one food with another. Avoid cross-contaminating foods by washing hands, utensils, and cutting boards after they have been in contact with raw meat or poultry and before they touch another food. Put cooked meat on a clean platter, rather back on one that held the raw meat.

CHILL: Refrigerate leftovers promptly. Bacteria can grow quickly at room temperature, so refrigerate leftover foods if they are not going to be eaten within 4 hours. Large volumes of food will cool more quickly if they are divided into several shallow containers for refrigeration.

CLEAN: Wash produce. Rinse fresh fruits and vegetables in running tap water to remove visible dirt and grime. Remove and discard the outermost leaves of a head of lettuce or cabbage. Because bacteria can grow well on the cut surface of fruit or vegetable, be careful not to contaminate these foods while slicing them up on the cutting board, and avoid leaving cut produce at room temperature for many hours. Don’t be a source of foodborne illness yourself. Wash your hands with soap and water before preparing food. Avoid preparing food for others if you yourself have a diarrheal illness. Changing a baby’s diaper while preparing food is a bad idea that can easily spread illness.

REPORT: Report suspected foodborne illnesses to your local health department. The local public health department is an important part of the food safety system. Often calls from concerned citizens are how outbreaks are first detected. If a public health official contacts you to find our more about an illness you had, your cooperation is important. In public health investigations, it can be as important to talk to healthy people as to ill people. Your cooperation may be needed even if you are not ill.

Related links:
Fight BAC!(TM) education campaign
Gateway to Government Food Safety Information





Are some people more likely to contract a foodborne illness? If so, are there special precautions they should take?

Some persons at particularly high risk should take more precautions.

Pregnant women, the elderly, and those weakened immune systems are at higher risk for severe infections such as Listeria and should be particularly careful not to consume undercooked animal products. They should avoid soft French style cheeses, pates, uncooked hot dogs and sliced deli meats, which have been sources of Listeria infections. Persons at high risk should also avoid alfalfa sprouts and unpasteurized juices.
A bottle-fed infant is at higher risk for severe infections with Salmonella or other bacteria that can grow in a bottle of warm formula if it is left at room temperature for many hours. Particular care is needed to be sure the baby’s bottle is cleaned and disinfected and that leftover milk formula or juice is not held in the bottle for many hours.
Persons with liver disease are susceptible to infections with a rare but dangerous microbe called Vibrio vulnificus, found in oysters. They should avoid eating raw oysters.



What can consumers do when they eat in restaurants?

You can protect yourself first by choosing which restaurant to patronize. Restaurants are inspected by the local health department to make sure they are clean and have adequate kitchen facilities. Find out how restaurants did on their most recent inspections, and use that score to help guide your choice. In many jurisdictions, the latest inspection score is posted in the restaurant. Some restaurants have specifically trained their staff in principles of food safety. This is also good to know in deciding which restaurant to patronize.

You can also protect yourself from foodborne disease when ordering specific foods, just as you would at home. When ordering a hamburger, ask for it to be cooked to a temperature of 160oF and send it back if it is still pink in the middle. Before you order something that is made with many eggs pooled together, such as scrambled eggs, omelets or French toast, ask the waiter whether it was made with pasteurized egg, and choose something else if it was not.





There is only so much the consumer can do. How can food be made safer in the first place?

Making food safe in the first place is a major effort, involving the farm and fishery, the production plant or factory, and many other points from the farm to the table. Many different groups in public health, industry, regulatory agencies, and academia have roles to play in making the food supply less contaminated. Consumers can promote general food safety with their dollars, by purchasing foods that have been processed for safety. For example, milk pasteurization was a major advance in food safety that was developed 100 years ago. Buying pasteurized milk rather than raw unpasteurized milk still prevents an enormous number of foodborne diseases every day. Now juice pasteurization is a recent important step forward that prevents E. coli O157:H7 infections and many other diseases. Consumers can look for and buy pasteurized fruit juices and ciders. In the future, meat and other foods will be available that has been treated for safety with irradiation. These new technologies are likely to be as important a step forward as the pasteurization of milk.

Foodborne diseases are largely preventable, though there is no simple one-step prevention measure like a vaccine. Instead, measures are needed to prevent or limit contamination all the way from farm to table. A variety of good agricultural and manufacturing practices can reduce the spread of microbes among animals and prevent the contamination of foods. Careful review of the whole food production process can identify the principal hazards, and the control points where contamination can be prevented, limited, or eliminated. A formal method for evaluating the control of risk in foods exists is called the Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point, or HACCP system. This was first developed by NASA to make sure that the food eaten by astronauts was safe. HACCP safety principles are now being applied to an increasing spectrum of foods, including meat, poultry, and seafood.

For some particularly risky foods, even the most careful hygiene and sanitation are insufficient to prevent contamination, and a definitive microbe-killing step must be included in the process. For example, early in the century, large botulism outbreaks occurred when canned foods were cooked insufficiently to kill the botulism spores. After research was done to find out exactly how much heat was needed to kill the spores, the canning industry and the government regulators went to great lengths to be sure every can was sufficiently cooked. As a result, botulism related to commercial canned foods has disappeared in this country. Similarly the introduction of careful pasteurization of milk eliminated a large number of milk-borne diseases. This occurred after sanitation in dairies had already reached a high level. In the future, other foods can be made much safer by new pasteurizing technologies, such as in-shell pasteurization of eggs, and irradiation of ground beef. Just as with milk, these new technologies should be implemented in addition to good sanitation, not as a replacement for it.

In the end, it is up to the consumer to demand a safe food supply; up to industry to produce it; up to researchers to develop better ways of doing so; and up to government to see that it happens, to make sure it works and to identify problems still in need of solutions.





What is CDC doing to control and prevent foodborne disease?

CDC is part of the U. S. Public Health Service, with a mission to use the best scientific information to monitor, investigate, control and prevent public health problems. Using the tools of epidemiology and laboratory science, CDC provides scientific assessment of public health threats. CDC works closely with state health departments to monitor the frequency of specific diseases and conducts national surveillance for them. CDC provides expert epidemiologic and microbiologic consultation to health departments and other federal agencies on a variety of public health issues, including foodborne disease, and it stations epidemiologists in state health departments to help with the surveillance and investigation of many problems. CDC can also send a team into the field to conduct emergency field investigations of large or unusual outbreaks, in collaboration with state public health officials. CDC researchers develop new methods for identifying, characterizing and fingerprinting the microbes that cause disease. We translate laboratory research into practical field methods that can be used by public health authorities in States and counties.

CDC is not a regulatory agency. Government regulation of food safety is carried out by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) , the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the National Marine Fisheries Service, and other regulatory agencies. CDC maintains regular contact with the regulatory agencies.

When new public health threats appear, CDC learns what they are and how they can be controlled through rapid scientific field and laboratory investigation. CDC shares the results of these investigations with the states, with the regulatory federal agencies and with the industries themselves. Although we do not regulate the safety of food, CDC assesses the effectiveness of current prevention efforts. We provide independent scientific assessment of what the problems are, how they can be controlled, and of where there are gaps in our knowledge.





What are some unsolved problems in foodborne disease?

As new foodborne problems emerge, several questions need to be answered before the problem can be successfully controlled. It takes careful scientific observation and research to answer these questions. Some pressing unanswered questions include:

How do the foodborne pathogens spread among the animals themselves, and how can this be prevented? This includes E. coli O157:H7 among cattle, Salmonella Enteritis among egg-laying hens, and Campylobacter in broiler chickens. If we could prevent the animals from becoming infected in the first place, we would not have as much illness in the humans who eat them.
What is the microbial cause of outbreaks in which no pathogen can be identified by current methods? This is true for over half of the reported foodborne outbreaks. Will wider application of existing experimental diagnostic methods help, or are these outbreaks caused by pathogens we simply do not yet know how to identify?
What would be the impact of basic food safety education of restaurant workers on the risk of foodborne disease among restaurant patrons?
How can the food and water that animals consume be made safer?
How can we dispose of animal manure usefully, without threatening the food supply and the environment?
How can basic food safety principles be most effectively taught to school children?
How can we be sure food safety standards in other countries are as good as those in the United States? As we import more of our fresh foods from other countries, we need to be confident that they are produced with the same level of safety as food in the United States.
What control strategies in the slaughter plant will reduce the contamination of poultry meat with Campylobacter?
How can irradiation pasteurization of certain high risk foods, such as ground beef, be used most effectively?
How do raspberries in Central America get contaminated with Cyclospora in the first place? Does this parasite have an animal reservoir?
How can alfalfa sprouts and other raw sprouts be produced safely? Sprouts are unique among foods in that the conditions for sprouting are also perfect for bacterial growth, and they are not cooked after that.



Where can I learn more about food safety and foodborne diseases?

National Food Safety Initiative
CDC's Food Safety Initiative home page
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
U.S. Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS)
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Role of the federal agencies in food safety
Gateway to government food safety information
Partnership for Food Safety Education/Fight BAC!TM
Food Safety Training and Education Alliance
Foodborne Illness Information Center
National Food Safety Education Month
Travelers' Health
..



Disease Listing | General Information | Technical Information | Additional Information


Accessibility | Privacy Policy Notice | FOIA

CDC Home | Search | Health Topics A-Z

This page last reviewed January 10, 2005

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
National Center for Infectious Diseases
Division of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

william_andrew_channell says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:18:

I think that we're missing the most obvious question for Londonmale. Maybe it has already been asked, but if not, I'll ask it again.

Can Londonmale please tell us about his experience in Colombia?

How many times he's been, how long he's stayed for, where he stayed, and where the hell ate to make such amazingly ignorant and uninformed comments.

I think that in the response we will find the answer.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ARMacleod says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:27:

miamimike...Everyone knows that of course...but. How about foot rot???? My missus like her big toe sucked, could I get athletes tongue? and if I did would it make my tongue go faster??? she would like that.

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

ARMacleod says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:43:

On a more serious note though I almost never drink coffee, but I consume gallons of tea, Earl grey, Spiced, Lapsang Soushong, and Lemon. I can find some of these in Bogota but they are exorbitantly expensive.

Question, on my next trip to Colombia (my final one to settle there)Will I have a problem with customs if I bring a large amount of these teas with me? Like about 5 kilo.

On the last threads. I have a problem with packet milk, an essential ingredient foe good tea. Where can I get fresh milk without investing in a cow? Thank you in advance.

I love the food in Colombia. My novia loves the food in England? Honestly there is very little wrong with the food in most countries in the world, try not to be so petty everyone.

Live and let live.


Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:50:

can you post the link instead? Thanks.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

miamimike says on Jan 19, 2005, 10:56:

Center for disease control link Http://www.cdc.gov

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Nicom80 says on Jan 19, 2005, 21:23:

different providers Hey man if you are going to get food in the street you get all the bad things you said, you can get some roast beef in the street for less than 50 american cents....maybe you´ll never know what kind of meat is made of...it´s the same with the fish and fries you can get in london served in a newspaper (I know ´cos I saw it in london). If you go to a nice restaurant in colombia you can get a very nice and clean food for a couple of dollars more so try to choose better the restaurant the next time you come to colombia. And maybe you went to the wrong house ´cos those I know are cleaner than most of my british friends houses

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Katjie says on Jan 20, 2005, 12:10:

While I'm waiting for help on my disclaimer... Londonmale, inform yourself. The food in Colombia is unhealthy? That must be why my great-grandmother lived to be 116 (was hit by a bus), one of my grandmothers is well over 90, and the other I suspect, close to 100 (she denies it, naturally). Compare the life expectancy for males and females of different countries. Hygine? As a realtor, I have seen filthy homes and they were not Colombian homes. You should see PA; NJ; NY Some places haven't conformed to the newly accepted rule of wearing gloves to handle meals in establishments. Even the 5 star restaurants were depicted in the Shame On You t.v. piece as disgusting. My friend has travel extensively and says you are absolutetly nuts.
Katjie

Katjie

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Iain says on Jan 20, 2005, 13:43:

Steve in Canada Ok being British myself here are my comments on Steve's comments:

1) Food so bland and tasteless that it has to be chocked down.
Yep pretty much the case, we are not famous for our food.

2) Everything is way overpriced.
Absolutely, too damm expensive

3) The air quality is horrible.
Not sure about that, but I would think any large city in any country can be labeled with bad air quality.

4) The people are boring and emotionless. (They are still not as bad as the French though).
Yep, but you should see the fcuking Germans !

5) The best part about England is a trip to the airport to leave the country.
I don't live there anymore and can't say I miss it too much.

I lived in the US for a few years so here goes:

1 Too much junk food but lots of good restaurants

2 Never seen so many obese people in my life, really amazing how a lot of them are sooo fat

3 Their education levels are not too great (Steve in Canada spelling Colombia as COLUMBIA is a prime example of North American education), certainly in terms of geography, I even had one yank ask me where I learned to speak English, I stopped short of telling him that we invented the fcuking language.

4 If news is not US related then very little coverage of anything outside of the US

But having said all that I enjoyed my time there but I'm just glad I'm not one of them.