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Why Colombia compared to Brazil?

Planning a first visit to Colombia, I remember this website from when it looked something like this (http://web.archive.org/web/20030601213706/poorbuthappy.com/colombia/) and had stuff about mariachis on it). Anyhow, I never got to Colombia, I found Brazil instead and I lived and worked in Pernambuco and Paraiba and visited the place six times. What a great place, the northeast of Brazil is great, from the culture on the coast, the greatest beaches of Alagoas, all to yourself, where when your waiting for a bus they get a chair out of the house for you, to the great cities of Recife and spending time in Recife Antigo, to the wonders of the sertao, a completely different culture, meeting great people whose dream is to visit one foreign country and take time adding up a moto taxi fare to visit an off the beat destination. Its hard to sum up, the best experience of my life quite easily. Of course I don't believe in paradise and it was great for me.

I did visit Venezuela and it was very different to northeast Brazil. It did have amazing looking women but apart from that it was a very different place, everyday someone was telling you the wrong price, not bringing you your change etc, at the Caracas bus station they were checking passports, scanning you with metal detectors and then getting on with a video camera and filming each person, little stores had security guys with blunderbus guns etc. Sure, everywhere it can happen but it was very different and it was the first country I never seen a postcard for sale thought it was stranger than the people getting on the bus selling drawing books, mops, chinese food?

So I know this website, and I have read so much great stuff people have written on here and I'm planning a visit but I can't understand why your not all in northeast Brazil? Because you don't know northeast Brazil? Or because I haven't been to Colombia yet? Any advice for a first time visitor please.

Thanks

By tropicalshirt on Sep 17, 2008, 17:20 in Friendly Talkzone.

Beachbros (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 17, 2008, 17:31:

First of all brazillians are just generally cold, people in colombia actually smile and have a shot at a conversation with you. Lived and traveled in brazil for 7 months after 12 months in latin countries. I was so stoked when i returned to a spanish speaking country, generally better country.

My american friend sitting here who lived in brazil for the last five years, one of that in jeri, points out that the women in brazil are more freaky sex crazed, but that everything in brazil costs at least twice as much as here. Thats the S.M.P. outlook. Sex Money Power

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 17:38:

Because those Mf'ers only have one coast and no Andes!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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bufalo says on Sep 17, 2008, 18:07:

Uh, did you ever check out just how much coast they have? I lived in Leticia and went to Tabatinga every day. Brazians to me may not be as approachable, but we had a great time when we also went to Porto Alegre from Montevideo. Difference cold be that we don't speak Portuguese?

We just went to the BrazilFest in NYC and had a kick-ass time. Samba is way more intense than salsa. We actually thought of moving to Brazil in the future (wifey is colombiana), but feel that little girls grow up way faster there, even more so than in colombia, that's amazing. (we have a daughter, so it is a concern).

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 18:10:

Samba more intense than Salsa? Don't make me laugh! Samba does not nearly have the fancy footwork that Salsa has. It's just people shaking their hips.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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usher127 says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:07:

the only reason I didnt end up in Brazil was because it seemed way more dangerous... I got tired of watching my back... other than that... the small bit I saw... was true paradise

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Sam Salmon says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:12:

No se fala Portuguese!

' a la orden!'

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:34:

Both Colombia and Brazil are great experiences for the gringo visitor.

Colombia is nothing like Venezuela as a tourist, so I'm told. There's a big difference in the welcome you feel from the people.

Colombia has the edge over Brazil in certain aspects, like a lower cost of travel, no visa hassles.

Both Colombians and Brazilians tend to have "heart" in abundance. For everyday living, I like the formality of the paisas, as compared to the Brazilians who are mostly an informal bunch. Paisas are formal people, but can do it without sacrificing any of the joy and calor humano that Brazilians also have.

For vacation though, Brazil is hard to beat -- it's an absolute dream to have a fun group of Brazilians, a boat to Ilha Grande, e uma Skol bem gelada mermao! :o)

"this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow

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PBHjon says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:40:

in brazil, it's hard to have conversations with the people cuz so few gringos speak portuguese, while in the spanish-speaking countries i can at least use my mediocre spanish to communicate just fine.

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Beachbros (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:45:

Eu falo portuguese muito bom mas.... No one is ready to listen, maybe because none of the tourists ever attempt. Here if the only words you know are, no hablo espanol, people won't quit talking to you till you run away. People just refused to understand my portuguese because they refused to listen.

Don't take it wrong, i loved it there, can't wait to go back another time for new years in copacabana, or check out salvador's carnival over rios. But i choose to live here. Plus I F at cking hate caipairinas.

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bufalo says on Sep 17, 2008, 19:52:

not an attack,,,, but get good at dancing Samba, then (unless you already are) get good at dancing Salsa... big difference. They don't only move their hips but their feet go nuts - albeit mostly the women. I would dance salsa for hours but the pain in my legs would start within a minute of Samba.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:00:

There's also no other place like Colombia on Earth!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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PBHjon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:26:

I agree with Beachbros, that the people are not as warm in brazil as they are in the spanish-speaking countries. I like the term in spanish "carinyosa", it describes the way that the people interact with other people. (especially the women). It is a very caring, affectionate manner that you can find in Paraguay, Colombia, Peru, etc that is not present in Brazil. The brazilians are more brash, confident and loud.

however, the brazilians I met were very friendly, good people. I am NOT saying they are somehow worse or inferior to the spanish-speaking countries, but I do see how someone coming from another country to Brazil could get the feeling they are colder.

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:28:

Rocinante, if you hate Colombia so much, why don't you go jump in front of a speeding train! And I'd be too scared to even set foot in Rio!

How do these fokin' people even find this webiste?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:40:

Cartagena has been touted as one of the most beautiful cities in the hemisphere by many international newpapers and by many international visitors. But in typical PBH fashion, you come out belittling it. But I guess many could say that LA or New Orleans look like cesspools too next to Rio!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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PBHjon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:42:

simon, colombia is a beautiful country with a lot of things to see and do. you don't need to feel so defensive, going crazy every time someone criticizes any part of the country or the culture.

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2008, 20:45:

Thanks PBHjon, I feel better now.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 17, 2008, 21:52:

Cartagena have been called one of the most beautiful cities in America

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 17, 2008, 21:53:

and to me it seems that the poster wants more people to go to Brazil from the way he talks

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miamimike says on Sep 17, 2008, 22:50:

First of all brazillians are just generally cold--------------Never have had that experience in with the many Brazilians I have met!

I did visit Venezuela and it was very different to northeast Brazil. It did have amazing looking women but apart from that it was a very different place, everyday someone was telling you the wrong price, not bringing you your change etc
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The Venezuelan Women are dynamite and Friendly to boot. That statement about the wrong price, not bringing back your change could pass for many places in Colombia or Latin America for that matter.

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska

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goin_south says on Sep 17, 2008, 22:58:

and, NOT... MANY ... GRINGOS.... in Venezuela, in comparison, I would think. But, then.. I could be wrong. (again!)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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La_Huella says on Sep 17, 2008, 23:36:

First of all, I don't know how to respond because I've never met anybody who actually likes the sertao before. That's the region all the Brazilians in Brazil run away from kicking and screaming. If I lived in Brazil it would definitley be Sao Paulo or some point south of there.

To me the advantages of Colombia compared to Brazil are mainly the cheaper cost of living, much less beauracracy to deal with, and the fact that it's actually far less provincial than Brazil. Brazil is a lot like America, it doesn't really care what goes on outside its borders because it's so vast.

I'd have a hard time describing either Brazilians or Colombians as unfriendly, unless you are talking about the upper classes, the mauricinhos and patricinhas and the estrato 5 and 6 people.

I don't think the beaches in Rio are very impressive either. If you want a real nice beach, go to the Caribbean.

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RUV says on Sep 18, 2008, 00:35:

I have been to Brazil and Colombia. I was in Rio and had one of the best times of my life there. I did not find the Brazilians unfriendly, then again it is hard to say when I do not speak Portugese. The cost of flights, exchange rate, and cost of living is allot more then Colombia. This is a major turn off.

I did find some great things about Brazil. Like the food. By far the food in Brazil is better then Colombia. This is my opion. I like beef and hands down a steak in Brazil is hard to find almost anywhere else. The variety of fruits in Brazil is amazing. The woman are really nice looking. But most important then all is the Brazilian thong. On the beach they are everywhere.

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brano says on Sep 18, 2008, 01:33:

after many years of traveling i came to a conclusion that most of the time it doesnt really matter where you are but with WHOM. you can be in a shittiest place and still having fun becuase you meet some cool people there. i had lot of fun in brazil, met people who invited me to their homes and taught me (unsuccessfully) how to surf. the places i visited there were stunning...the beaches looked awesome...

ive never been to bora bora but i saw the beaches in thailand and the philippines that are comparable to the best in the world. every country has something to offer, it just depends on you how much you like it and why you want to stay there for good. i spent on and off 8 years in south east asia but never really loved more than latin america...especially colombia, with all the pros and cons...its all about priorities and personal preferences...

"I can remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty."

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tropicalshirt says on Sep 18, 2008, 02:16:

La Huella,

"First of all, I don't know how to respond because I've never met anybody who actually likes the sertao before. That's the region all the Brazilians in Brazil run away from kicking and screaming. If I lived in Brazil it would definitley be Sao Paulo or some point south of there."

Ahh... but the sertao has souch soul. Forro is the music of the northeast and despite its background from GIs in Natal when you hear in played by sertanjeros it is right to the bone. Go to Juazeiro do norte or Sao Raimdundo do nonato and you never forget the journey.

I love the contrast and when you find land over 800-1000 metres you find cachoieras, florestas e fazendas and the culture is so different to the littoral. But you know Brazil well I think, the people don't generally look outside their state.

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Titofijo says on Sep 18, 2008, 07:27:

Colombia

pros cons

Hot easy girls shitty food
Friendly people narco state
Nature ugly beaches
close to the USA FARC
fincas football sucks

Brasil

pros cons

Hot easy girls rising street crimes
good food far from USA, visas
stable economy party too much :)
friendly people
beautiful beaches
samba
great football

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Titofijo says on Sep 18, 2008, 07:32:

what happened to my lists....guess I couldn't seperate em

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quantum says on Sep 18, 2008, 09:36:

Good commentary Pedro. Thats pretty much the way I see it too. 3 trips to Colombia, and one longer one to Brazil. I enjoyed both of them very much and was for the most part treated with great warmth and hospitality in both places. Both countries have awesome women, maybe the Brazilians are more out front and liberal and depense with the formalities, but Colombians like to party too as we all know. Foods not bad in Colombia definately better than here in Panama, which ranks close to the bottom right there with the English cuisine., but falls far short of Brazil. Never have I seen such a bountiful abundant variety of eating options as Brazil Theres a couple a decent beers just like in Colombia, but nowheres near what u would expect to find in such a big country. The U.S. leaves them both in the dust in that category. I will take the music in Brazil over anyplace on earth, but thats just me. I suppose some people prefer ballenato. For the life of me I cant figure out why. I find the bachata (dominicana) to be mas bonita. But Salsa and Samba are both outstanding and I wouldnt wnat to give up either one. Brazil in the cities is dangerous as hell, big cities anyway, even more so than Medellin or Cartagena or Bogota. But Cali might be in the running in that department. But in Brazil, outside of the big cities, its space and freedom and friendly and no country on earth has more endless miles of gorgeous beaches and a culture that knows how to enjoy them. Economically, Brazil is a ragin bull now and developing into one of the worlds dynamic economies. They must be doing something right down there. And no war, and thats big, unless of course u factor in the squalid poverty in the favelas and the violence and gang warfare that it engenders. Brazil now has the resources and hopefully the will to tackle its endemic problems. Colombias problems run really deep and complex but hopefully we are seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. End of the day, both phenomenal places and great hospitable people. I could live in either one of em, despite their distinct problems. Comin from Hawaii I can state, there is no paradise, but a few countries do have certain ingredients which can seduce you into thinking yur in Paradise if only for a little while. Thanks and felicidades for reading down this far.........

quantum

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quantum says on Sep 18, 2008, 15:00:

As a Costeño born and bred, Barranquilero to the bone, how is it that you can stomach thoze long frigid New York winters, Elmo? Not to mention the fact that u could drop over dead on the sidewalk and hardly anybody would notice. "Sorry, dont have time, gotta be somewhere" , " nice talkin to ya, have a nice day", blah, blah........

quantum

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2008, 15:15:

"and no country on earth has more endless miles of gorgeous beaches "

I believe Australia has more.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 18, 2008, 15:16:

Aww yeah mode, I love that video. Goosebumps.

When you are back to Locombia?

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goin_south says on Sep 18, 2008, 15:47:

nice vid you dug up there, Modefoqu....

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Sep 18, 2008, 15:47:

nice vid you dug up there, Modefoqu....

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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quantum says on Sep 18, 2008, 17:33:

Upon further thought Simon, yur probably right on that note. I spent a year living and working and surfing andplaying in Australia and had a great time. Lots of beautiful beaches and waves, west, east and south. And safer than Brazil, but Brazil still has more soul and better beach life. Australia would be more like the U.S. where everything is illegal. No smoothie stands, vendors cruising upand down the beach selling cold beers and ceviche. Playing futbol, volleyball, etc. The essence of the coast culture is la playa or should I say na praia. Good point tho, but in Aust. beware of the stingrays and the deadly blue octopus..........

quantum

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 18, 2008, 20:40:

Damn elmo, you're going to miss the entire winter in NY. You must be disappointed about that!

December and beyond, I'm likely to be back in Medellin.

I'll make sure we get together at some point while you're here. :o)

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august says on Sep 18, 2008, 20:56:

Tropicalshirt, I would love to go to Brazil some day. You seem to be asking why people prefer Colombia over Brazil. I would say that it's due to a few comparative advantages that Colombia has over Brazil, especially for folks from the US. Namely:

a) the language: If you're coming from the US, more people have a familiarity with Spanish than Portuguese
b) immigration: US citizens do not need a visa to get to Colombia, they do to enter Brazil
c) money: everytime I've looked, flights have been cheaper to Colombia than Brazil and I understand it's cheaper once you're on the ground in Colombia as well (...and this site is called POORbuthappy)
d) geography: Colombia is simply closer to the US and any Northern Hemisphere origin

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TobyBoy says on Sep 18, 2008, 23:52:

Sorry PBHjon, but Ipanema sucks compared to Santa Marta. Yea, it’s a big beach, but it is not much cleaner than Cartagena. Please get real.
I agree withSimon, and I have been there plenty ...In fact, crime is so bad there that I once had the distinction of seeing thousands of street kids form the favelas descend upon the tourists on the beach to steal everything they could form the tourists, as they had even synchronized their watches for the attack. I also had a friend stabbed to death on a Brazilian beach further north. Brazil, though defiantly a warm and fascinating country, does not even come close to Colombia, unless you prefer living on a mainly pork-product diet.

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travelingirl says on Sep 19, 2008, 01:44:

Gross.

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tropicalshirt says on Sep 19, 2008, 02:08:

august

You got me spot on. This website wows me with the attraction shown to Colombia, I don't know the country so I don't understand, but I love Brazil, and again, I mean specifically northeast Brazil, the states of Sergipe, Alagoas, Pernambuco, Paraiba, Rio Grande do Norte, Ceara, Piaui and Maranhao.

There's no website for Brazil like poorbuthappy does Colombia. There is www.gringoes.com which is different but then claro Brazil is different and when I compare against northeast Brazil it is a big place which many people don't get to see.

As for beaches, Brazil has it all. In Ceara the coast turns east to west and huge dunes build up, in Alagoas (IMHO best beaches in Brazil) areas like barra do camargibe are tropically perfect. Beacuse its big it hasn't been ruined, you get the best in the world to yourself. There is a lot, lot more than any guidebook.

Alagoas - http://www.pbase.com/alexuchoa/image/94683210
http://www.pbase.com/alexuchoa/image/94683236

Rio Grande do Norte - http://www.pbase.com/alexuchoa/image/30036390

Ceara - http://www.cearaexplorer.com.br/principalx.php?lingua=E

august, hope you get yourself to northeast Brazi,. e mim para Colombia, mas eu fala portugues somente!

Thanks

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Monpirri says on Sep 19, 2008, 05:27:

RESTAURANTE TIERRAS AMAZONICAS, LETICIA-AMAZONAS-COLOMBIA

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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bufalo says on Sep 19, 2008, 07:07:

great place to eat!

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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august says on Sep 19, 2008, 09:22:

Tropicalshirt, thanks for the info links. You've confirmed my suspicions that the northern coast of Brazil is the place. I've actually been trying to get down there for a few years now. I was living in Jamaica a while back and aiming to go south from there to Brazil on recommendations from a shady attorney friend of mine as well as the national surfing team, but the cash didn't come through and then grad school got in the way. As soon as I get the scratch together though and learn a little Portuguese, I'll be looking you up.

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 19, 2008, 10:10:

August, the joke you will hear now and then goes like this:

In heaven, the beach is nordestina, the barbecue is gaucho, the party is carioca and it's all organised by the paulistas.

In hell, the beach is gaucha, the barbecue is nordestino, the party is paulista and everything is organised by the cariocas.

nordestino = from the north east
carioca = from Rio
paulista = from Sao Paulo
gaucho = from the southern region near Argentina

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nueva york bombero says on Sep 19, 2008, 11:52:

Yo Elmo! Next time around we'll trade!
You come back a gringo fireman and I'll be a Black Barranquillero!!!!!
I'm off to Brasil next month.......
It's gonna be hard to top my favorite country - Colombia!!!
I'll be giving my review late October.....then off to the coast!!!!

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La_Huella says on Sep 19, 2008, 12:34:

I always thought the beaches in the gaucho area were better than the ones in the northeast.

Anyways, you can always go off to the beach for a few days. You don't need to go every day of the year.

You would not believe the levels of fecal contamination in the sand in Copacabana and Ipanema. Technically I suppose the whole place should be closed until they clean it up. I didn't die when I went there, however. But to say they are among the world's best beaches is just silly. They are just convenient because they are right smack dab in the middle of a huge city.

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nueva york bombero says on Sep 19, 2008, 12:53:

No shit?! Doody everywhere?

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TobyBoy says on Sep 19, 2008, 22:45:

Truthseeker, we obviously live in different worlds, but heck that’s all right. In my world, the crime statistics for Brazil today are much higher than they are for Colombia, including kidnappings, and that fact is amazing when you consider that in Brazil they do not even keep as close count of the crime they do in Colombia. Cops in Brazil are infamous for just killing the kids, instead of taking the time to arrest them (since they cannot keep up with the crime, or haven’t you heard that? In my world, Brazil does not have Colombia’s Pacific beaches, and it certainly does not have the plethora of high altitude lakes that make living in central Colombia so special (to me). Have you any idea how much drug trade there is in Brazil? Colombia is more bio-diverse by far than Brazil per square meter. Colombia’s economy has NEVER tanked like the Brazilian economy has on several occasions, and investments are also pouring into Colombia, even the Brazilians have now made new trade pacts with Colombia, which includes a railway form the Amazon basin through Colombia to the Caribbean, so that they can have access to the great shipping ports that Colombia has to offer them (to the US and Asia). But most importantly, Colombia has its people, a nation with an old and seasoned democracy, empanadas, enviable culture, and the best café in the world. I’ll gladly stay in my world’s magical, poet-filled Colombia which indeed makes me very high.

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TobyBoy says on Sep 19, 2008, 22:54:

…Oh, and I have been mostly to Sao Paolo, Rio, Belem, Brazilia (which I actually adore, contrary other –though I can’t stand the heat), Salvador and Manaus ( I love architecture and Opera among other things) …and as I mentioned before, too much pork-derived food for me in Brazil Obviously, I also prefer the diversity and richness of Colombian Cuisine. For me and my soul, Colombia rules!

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Monpirri says on Sep 20, 2008, 07:12:

TobyBoy,
"I also prefer the diversity and richness of Colombian Cuisine. For me and my soul, Colombia rules!"
Right one brother, I'm with you 500%!

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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quantum says on Sep 20, 2008, 07:58:

Have any of u travelers ever been to one of thoze incredible kilo restaurants in Brazil? where they have more variety of food laid out before you on the buffet table than a microsoft convention. You help yoursel to what u want, including sashimi if that is your thing, and then proceed to the checkout where they charge you according to weight. Ive never seen anything like it, not in colombia,not anywhere else. I like that concept mucho, everything under the sun in front of your face, and just help yourself. And as far as the pork comments, Ive generally found pork to be big everywhere in Latin America, especially here in Panama. theze people here are real porksters. But u dont have to eat it. I dont!

quantum

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Monpirri says on Sep 20, 2008, 08:09:

I have been to one of those Brazilian places where they serve you buffet style menu, all you can eat, but that is different.

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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La_Huella says on Sep 20, 2008, 14:44:

The funny thing is most Brazilians HATE the por-kilo places, just like New Yorkers hate them. They are considered a last resort for the poor or if you just dont have time to eat anywhere decent.

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Beachbros (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 20, 2008, 18:50:

I think brazillian food is crap. Of course if you are willing to drop a bunch of bread then the all you can eat parillas are fantastic. But for cheap economical lunch or dinner doesn't exist in brazil. And the kg places aren't that cheap either. Nothing beats my 3500 corrient here in SM.

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Titofijo says on Sep 21, 2008, 16:38:

bros. --no, it depends how well you're living

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