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It's getting pretty close now. So, maybe we could get a PBH poll, and say who you would vote for President of Colombia for the next four years? Of course, it's a skewwed poll; damasiado gringos y Colombianos in Estados Unidos. So, if designate who you votin for and si gringo, or Colombiano, and where you live, whether in Colombia or other.
Of course, the first vote is cast for: Uncle Al Uribe, by a gringo outside Colombia.
By (Deleted user) on May 8, 2006, 05:27 in Politics & the war.
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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 8, 2006, 07:34: I would vote for Tota la Momposina! If she won, she could appoint Alvaro to an Economics or Defense post.
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platano says on May 8, 2006, 07:46: My first and second choices are: First: Ingrid Betancourt
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untreated says on May 8, 2006, 09:33: Carlos Gaviria's the man but I am a foreign resident in Colombia and do not have a vote. I have never voted in my life!
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Mr. Hollywood says on May 8, 2006, 09:58: Every man, woman and child for themselves. "Every man, woman and child for themselves."
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Miguel says on May 8, 2006, 10:13: No Shit Mr. Hollywood "Same as it everwas"...Talking Heads/David Byrne.
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platano says on May 8, 2006, 12:32: Here goes again... There seems to be a cynicism that goes like this: "Don't matter who gets elected, Colombia is fucked."
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Miguel_Clavo says on May 8, 2006, 13:11: Heres my selections: President: Sr. Platano "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 8, 2006, 13:23: If elected... I respectfully decline to serve. Mockus made fun of the FARC by wearing a vest with a bullseye on it. I am not that courageous.
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thur says on May 8, 2006, 15:07: Semana. Semana Magazine has a short (just 9 or 10 questions) test to determine your presidencial candidate. On the homepage on the right, just below VoteBien is "responda el test y sabra cual es su candidato": http://semana.terra.com.co/ - www.pbase.com/thur 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on May 8, 2006, 17:58: I will second the nomination of Big Sacko for that post, GD! Who should the "Interior Security Secretary" be? "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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greg says on May 8, 2006, 18:24: Shakira She`s honest. Those hips don`t lie! Second choice is Mockus.
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adela says on May 8, 2006, 20:32: my vote is for Carlos Gaviria. Mockus could be his great vice but he didnt took him in account. Màs fe, màs abrazos, màs besos, màs disculpas, màs visitas a nuestros amigos antiguos nos harà n màs plenos cada vez. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on May 8, 2006, 20:52: ... Carlos Gaviria is a rather good choice too, and my current one to boot, but he's probably not going to win this time. I do expect him to do very well, however, hopefully better than Serpa if the current trend continues.
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platano says on May 8, 2006, 22:24: I believe Ingrid is still alive and will one day be president... Bogota, , Interpress Service News Agency, Jan. 3, 2006:
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jaramillo says on May 8, 2006, 23:36: Tertius for Vice President? Yeah, and Elmodefoque for VICE President.
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Elbigie says on May 9, 2006, 04:01: I'll vote for CARLOS GAVIRIA ! That's my first choice, lAST is Mr. Uribe
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jaramillo says on May 9, 2006, 05:53: No consensus Elbigie! I'm precisely the opposite
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Miguel_Clavo says on May 9, 2006, 07:01: Dont hold your breath, Platano, if the release of Ingrid depends on the return of extradited Colombians currently in the US. Just wont happen....not in this millenium, anyway, but maybe in the next....think they will settle for Hugo Chavez' sancha Cindy Sheehan instead? "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 9, 2006, 10:28: I know, I tried holding my breath... trouble is you pass out after about 9 minutes and 15 seconds.
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utopiacowboy says on May 10, 2006, 20:08: It doesn't matter one iota who you vote for. The same people run things who have always run things and if you've got any sense you shut the f*ck up and try not to piss them off. Either that or get in tight with them and maybe they'll get you or one of your relatives a job. Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 10, 2006, 20:33: UTC, En otras palabras ¿lo malo de la rosca es estar fuera de ella?
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lpdiver says on May 10, 2006, 22:24: I thought the oresidential term was for six years? Don't ask me why. "cook some rice!" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on May 10, 2006, 22:35: 6 year term because traditionally presidents serve 4 years in the Palacio and 2 years in exile for a total of a 6 year "term".
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vladimiro says on May 11, 2006, 20:42: Cuidado "Carlos Gaviria is a rather good choice too, and my current one to boot, but he's probably not going to win this time."
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lpdiver says on May 11, 2006, 20:47: jejejeje that must be it. "cook some rice!" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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colombian18 says on May 13, 2006, 06:42: Carlos Gaviria Mr Uribe, is in my opinion a puppet for the US government trying to push there free market policies through at the expense of the majority of Colombians. He has however made the main citys in colombia safer places, although some parts of the countryside have turned even more dangerous. Gaviria may at least try to bring peace to Colombia, although that may be impossible if Uribe gets re-elected.BTW, on the murder of Liliana Gaviria it was interesting that the security forces of Colombia were quick to place the blame on the FARC, is there prove that they where behind the slaying? and why would they murder her,what political gain? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 13, 2006, 07:07: You are correct, FARC is quickly blamed... even before there is any evidence of their being responsible. But FARC has created the situation with their bad behavior in the past. As the saying goes, "Crea fama y échate a dormir"
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Colombiche says on May 13, 2006, 12:44: Uribe has my vote . No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on May 15, 2006, 08:43: colombian18 and platano "BTW, on the murder of Liliana Gaviria it was interesting that the security forces of Colombia were quick to place the blame on the FARC, is there prove that they where behind the slaying? and why would they murder her,what political gain?"
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Sr Tertius says on May 16, 2006, 23:11: It's hard for me to understand why anybody would vote for a candidate that refuses to debate his proposals. (Nevermind his poor track record). "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 17, 2006, 07:25: Debate is not necessary, only votes... As long as the Colombian people want Uribe as President I don't see any problem with his re-election for the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth terms. It seeems as if Uribe is not only a political leader but also the psychological father who provides a sense of security.
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Colombiche says on May 18, 2006, 12:18: Poor Track Record? No es que yo este muy metida en la politica, pero ahi va: No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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guaji says on May 18, 2006, 13:32: RAZONES PARA NO VOTAR POR ALVARO URIBE VELEZ
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Colombiche says on May 18, 2006, 13:53: Apoyo la guerra en IRAK, es de extrema derecha... porque el precio de la gasolina sube cada mes (como en el resto del mundo)... porque no ha extraditado a los jefes paras pero a los de la guerrilla si (pues los paras entregaron las armas voluntariamente, los guerrillos no)... No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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greg says on May 18, 2006, 15:20: No Debates? There will be no debates? Is this the normal way presidential elections go in Colombia?
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Sr Tertius says on May 18, 2006, 15:24: Colombiche El legado que el Sr. Uribe no es, en mi opinión, positivo. Las estadÃsticas que su campaña bota (cuando no es la calumnia) para que todo el mundo trague sin masticar son MUY dudosas. Espero en algún momento tener tiempo de especificar algunas crÃticas, y reiterar otras que ya he escrito aquÃ, relacionadas con estas estadÃsticas mañosas. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Sr Tertius says on May 18, 2006, 15:26: Greg No, this is not normal. Few things are normal about this presidential election, though. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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guaji says on May 18, 2006, 16:00: Desde afuera las cosas son muy bonitas con esos comentarios que haces de Uribe no deberian reelegirlo sino canonizarlo. Acerca de esta lista me la hicieron llegar y yo apoyando la oposicion me encargo de propagarla, no me parece tampoco un desproposito lo de la ley 100, por que siempre he escuchado que cuando Uribe fue senador algo tuvo que ver con la promulgacion de esta nefasta ley para la salud de los pobres en Colombia.
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Colombiche says on May 18, 2006, 17:33: Guaji Cada cual tiene derecho a expresar su opinion. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on May 18, 2006, 19:07: Some things, if only for the record Greg/Sir Tertius:
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guaji says on May 19, 2006, 06:09: Carlos Gaviria Por que tiene una hoja de vida intachable, por que es un academico, por su compromiso con el estado de derecho, por que es un defensor de las libertades del individuo, por que se ha comprometido con la creacion de una sociedad mas justa y aunque haya tantas criticas a sus tesis economicas , por lo menos pretende una mejor redistribucion de la riqueza y no continuar con lo que ha sucedido en todos los gobiernos anteriores, una redistribucion pero de la pobreza.
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Sr Tertius says on May 20, 2006, 22:26: Alvaro Sierra y las razones para temerle a Uribe Aunque hay mucha especulación, sobretodo en su análisis de la psiquis colombiana, me parece que Alvaro Sierra resume bastante bien, aunque a muy grandes rasgos, las principales razones para temerle a Uribe Reelegido, en una columna reciente en Cambio: "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on May 20, 2006, 22:46: Interesante... Ã?lvaro Sierra dice lo mismo que yo dije el 17 de mayo en este foro. Él dice: "un paÃs que no necesita un polÃtico sino un padre."
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juancegomez says on May 21, 2006, 12:13: platano "También dice lo que he dicho muchas veces en PBH, que Uribe no ha podido con las FARC con la polÃtica de mano dura que no funciona ni va a funcionar: las FARC sigue creciendo después de años de Uribe."
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platano says on May 21, 2006, 13:23: JCG, No, there is no sure, reliable and scientifically valid form of determining guerrilla troop levels. (even if such existed it would be immediately challenged by the social science methodology critics on PBH). What we do know is, after four years of Uribe, FARC seems to have an intact command and control capability, according to this statement in a recent Miami Herald article:
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juancegomez says on May 21, 2006, 13:57: ... If by the earlier part of your message you are referring to Mr. Brittain's work, his methodology depends on a selective mathematical extrapolation based on paper figures and individual testimonies from only a few locations.
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platano says on May 21, 2006, 14:09: It is simpler than that... If the guerrillas had been weakened, then one would expect less capability to carry out an increase in the number of attacks. Yet, according to news reports, the number of attacks has increased.
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juancegomez says on May 21, 2006, 15:14: I'm no fan of simplicity, for better or for worse "If the guerrillas had been weakened, then one would expect less capability to carry out an increase in the number of attacks. "
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litost says on May 21, 2006, 16:35: Alvaro Uribe I'll vote for Uribe because, as much as one can criticize and disagree with some of his policies, there are at least four undeniable facts that he has the right to be credited for:
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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 21, 2006, 17:27: I'm with Carlos Gaviria, in the first place, Mockus in the second place (yes, adela, we agree). I watched a debate on tv and cannot place my vote on a candidate who refuses to participate. I have hard time understanding what politicians are saying in general, but Gaviria at least, spoke my language. Meaning I understood everything he said and it all made sense. "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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litost says on May 21, 2006, 17:43: As much as I respect you and your opinion, Desi, if only the rich people who you claim are the sole to benefit from Uribe voted him, he wouldn't get over 10% vote! It's very simplistic to put it in rich vs. poor terms... of course, the so-called "rich" are the first to benefit from better security and a growing economy, but these are also the people who invest, set up companies, create new jobs, etc... the only REAL way the poor can gradually improve their situation and move towards a middle-class possibility. Unless, that is, you believe in the marxist solution or a Chavez-Morales type crusade which I can bet (unfortunately for the venezuelans and bolivians) is gonna leave them just as poor or even worse than before...
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Sr Tertius says on May 21, 2006, 17:52: Litost The undeniable facts that you mention, or at least a portion of them, I have sort of denied here: "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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litost says on May 21, 2006, 18:15: Mr. T, if you read again you'll see I never caracterized Chavez or Morales as marxist. And as far as Venezuela... sure, let's follow their model. It's simple. It consists of sitting on millions of barrels of oil at a time of record-high world prices! wooo hooo!
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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 22, 2006, 09:10: litost, I respect you and your opinion very much too and what you are saying is pretty much what most educated, middle-class Colombians are saying. I had many long talks with very intelligent, highly educated caleños about this same topic. One of them agreed with me about Carlos Gaviria being the best choice, actually, because of his intelligence, education, impeccably honorable career and background, good communication skills and moderate attitudes, but pointed out that at this time and place his academic background is going to hurt him, not help, because Colombians prefer a president that is an executive, not an scholar. He also said that maybe next time the country has matured politically enough to be able to vote for Gaviria and that he believes Gaviria has lots of chances to become a president of Colombia, but not just yet. "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel says on May 22, 2006, 09:27: Your opinions, please. Since this is the first time in the history of modern Colombian politics that the incumbent President can run for re-election, and assuming that the polls are correct and Uribe is going to win, is it not worthwhile to see if this change will result in an improvement in the system?
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Sr Tertius says on May 22, 2006, 09:34: "A monkey at the helm would have had the same results." I don't dispute that. My point was that (and I repeat) "we should not be easily persuaded by simplistic statistics, like those that the Uribe campaign read out like a rosary." Many (including me) have pointed out that, in many (but not all) cases, either their interpretation is fallacious, or they are inane. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on May 22, 2006, 15:18: Btw Carlos Gaviria may not win outright...but there's a very good chance that he'll be second, even over Serpa and his remaining allies, which would be a historically impressive showing for the left.
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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 22, 2006, 15:30: I know, juance, that a lot of votes for Uribe come from people that, in my very humble and politically naive opinion, have little to gain from his re-election. Is that what is called, in marxist terms, lack of class consciousness? "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 23, 2006, 07:16: Serpa is dead meat It looks like 43 various artists, journalists and opinion leaders are split between Uribe and Gaviria.
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Sr Tertius says on May 23, 2006, 10:54: Interesting link, Tinto You'd think from reading this, and from the attendance to the rallies in Plaza de Bolivar, that the opinion is somewhat divided 50-50 between Uribe and Gaviria... of course, those damn polls say something very different. There are a few loyal liberals still voting for Serpa, and a lot of simpathy for Mockus, but the votes (at least of these people) are split between U and G. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Sr Tertius says on May 23, 2006, 13:55: Tinto: I'd vote blank I've done it for years. I'm not sure what message it sends, but when asked to choose between Samper and Pastrana, I couldn't figure anything else. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on May 23, 2006, 19:52: I wouldn't vote blank because... ...unless it was a massive vote (50% or at least more than the rest of the votes, though I'm not sure about that last part), it wouldn't have any practical effects on the election.
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webmanco says on May 24, 2006, 06:03: Uribe Too much North oriented If I ever vote it will be for Gaviria ...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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utopiacowboy says on May 24, 2006, 21:45: La suegra is making a big Uri La suegra is making a big Uribe push. Apparently she's been talking to him recently and was even asking my wife to round up Colombians here and get them to vote. My wife has never taken an interest in voting or politics so I think she'll pass. I did ask her if she had ever met any other Colombian presidents and she said that Pastrana was once a guest at her mother's house in Monteria. Her mother's always been a political animal. Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 26, 2006, 05:30: Uribe engage brain before opening mouth 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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utopiacowboy says on May 26, 2006, 15:38: Quiero conocerte, mi diablita. Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 27, 2006, 00:54: Gaviria has participated in debates "only as of recently, that of Carlos Gaviria (as a late reaction just this week)." (juance) "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, |