Who has been mugged in the last two years....???

john_stark says on Sep 13, 2007, 22:14:

Can we include the stories of violence that we inflicted on other people? I'm more of a sadist myself.

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Man Tequila says on Sep 13, 2007, 22:18:

I was at Bogotá airport and my suitcase disappeared between putting it through the X-ray and paying my airport tax. Turns out (DUM-DUM-DUM) it was checked in by another passenger.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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scotty says on Sep 13, 2007, 22:22:

In 2002 I was in Cali and I was attacked by several mosquitos, I didnt even see it coming.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 13, 2007, 22:33:

la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 13, 2007, 22:54:

goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:22:

snatched the chain from around my neck???

Well, I think that QUALIFIES FOR MUGGING...
do ya have video of that for posting???

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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lpdiver says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:22:

It did not happen "directly" to me; however, I was questioned by the police in front of our apartment in Laureles. A car was stolen from a resident in our building ten minutes before. This occured at about ten A.M. Wednesday August First.

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Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:22:

goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:23:

Nope! He never got mugged; they only took his chain..
It wasn't a Mr T Starter Kit, now was it???

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:30:

scotty says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:33:

snatched the chain from around your neck? so Rubito you were once a disco guy huh?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 23:57:

a cent outta yer wallet... ? what was the chain worth? 1/2 cent? lol

Drink Up, Rubito... and quit skirting the truth...
MAS Tequilla.... por que .. the diet paleolithic!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 14, 2007, 00:29:

Cerealkiller says on Sep 14, 2007, 01:07:

I got mugged on a bus in Bogota last year, the sanababich took my ipod. Didnt seem very impressed with my wallet, which is good because it was an old rag, but it had my credit cards and ID in it...
My little brother got mugged in Bogota last december, it was horrible because he usually doesnt walk anywhere let alone taking public transport. He was walking around exito calle 134 and got mugged with knife and everything...and hes just a kid. They got his ipod, mobile phone and even a jacket he was wearing for the first time. He was walking with 4 of his school friends and they all got mugged, so the bastards got a good xmas bonus...4 Motorazrs, 3 ipods, around 100 000 pesos, 3 jackets and i believe a pair of shoes.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 14, 2007, 01:41:

kalder says on Sep 14, 2007, 01:43:

Rubito's chain? Probably a crucifix.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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scotty says on Sep 14, 2007, 02:18:

you would never catch a conservative in that sort of position.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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christobeldawg says on Sep 14, 2007, 05:00:

I was repeatedly approached by beautiful women in Bogota. Scared me to death but turned out they only wanted my body.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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LA_MONA says on Sep 14, 2007, 05:10:

Chris I can believe that after having seen your pic ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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miamimike says on Sep 14, 2007, 05:15:

I was mugged in Miami in April 2001. Survived the mugging by 5 thugs and while they were apprehended;we went to court, they were let off with a slap on the wrist,,,

Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte después Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte de

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RAAAY says on Sep 14, 2007, 06:26:

Cerealkiller says on Friday September 14th, 2007 1:07:
" I got mugged on a bus in Bogota last year, the sanababich took my ipod. Didnt seem very impressed with my wallet, which is good because it was an old rag, but it had my credit cards and ID in it..."


THIS IS IT.........????....So far this is it............and the stunning lack of detail...........?Rubito's chain on the subway in NYC does'nt really count...............


a real personal experience of violence that was inflicted on THEMSELVES.........
something real......something concrete.....that actually happened to YOURSELF in the last two years in any part of Colombia.........???

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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LA_MONA says on Sep 14, 2007, 06:28:

RAAAY why the last two years?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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RAAAY says on Sep 14, 2007, 06:39:

Just curious about the last two years because of the improvement in the security situation. We know of the levels of crime that took place years ago.......................it's amazing how many people here give extreme warnings about the need to be careful here.................

so far......a guy had an i-pod taken from him on a bus.............and gives absolutely no detail.........but goes on to give graphic details of something that happened to someone else......that he was told about...........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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LA_MONA says on Sep 14, 2007, 06:45:

RAAAY CK is a chick! Just though I'd let you know...I'm sure she can give us the details later ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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goin_south says on Sep 14, 2007, 07:29:

"""If everybody resisted and stopped worrying so much about their own worthless hides there would be a LOT less mugging going on in this world!!!""""

Rubito, you keep repeating that. And, I continue giving it consideration.. but, I really seriously doubt what you say is true. People are desparate and stupid. I think they'll continue irregardless.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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manINred says on Sep 14, 2007, 08:27:

I had a horrible mugging experience, well, 3 years ago now. I was very close to being killed, and have had reconstructive and plastic surgery to repair the damage on my face. It happened outside of Colombia though, in a place that sometimes seems as dangerous as Medellin!!!!!

I was severely threatened in Colombia by some dude who was mad at me when i called him a scam artist drug-dealing con and saved some Norweigen dude from getting ripped off!!!

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RAAAY says on Sep 14, 2007, 08:59:

manINred says on Friday September 14th, 2007 8:27:
"I had a horrible mugging experience, well, 3 years ago now. ......... It happened outside of Colombia though, "




Aggghhhhhhh...................this is'nt hard folks..............the question..............a real personal experience of violence that was inflicted on THEMSELVES.........
something real......something concrete.....that actually happened to YOURSELF in the last two years in any part of Colombia.........???

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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bickerss says on Sep 14, 2007, 10:40:

attempted robbery on me two months ago or so 2 am on calle 74 with 15. Guy and friend came up behind me and made a swipe at my rist to get my watch, then ran away when i went to go at him.

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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droble77 says on Sep 14, 2007, 11:11:

I know already this doesn't apply but just last night, walking up (I think) Cra 7 after a night at the opera at Teatro Colon, I saw a group of teenagers beating the shit out of some other young guy. Two private security guards with dogs standing nearby were just observing the fun. They had just detained the kid for having stolen 80K COP and I guess he was "learning his lesson" from his new friends. My date called the police to report the disturbance as we jumped in a cab. All this occured after reassuring me a few minutes before this area was safe to walk at night. I personally doubt calling the police is of any help but my date really thought so.

Looks like hooliganism and delinquency is a serious problem in Bogota, at least from what I'm reading in the local papers here. I fly back to NYC Monday evening.

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usher127 says on Sep 14, 2007, 11:34:

I've spent about 12 months in Colombia on and off... and not even come close to being mugged... By way of comparison I was mugged 3 days in a row in Rio... and then on my fourth day caught up in some kind police trap... long story...

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 14, 2007, 11:48:

Well Rayy I dont have a story involving someone beating the shit out of me or stabbing me. I think having some raponero stealing my stuff is bad enough. I dont know what you want to prove by asking this question but chances are whatever it is you wont get anything concrete. For instance, people say its much safer now, but I had never been robbed before EVER. In my little brothers case, he had never experienced getting mugged like that either. Anyone who steals from children by threatening to stab them with a knife is a fucker in my book, but if its okay in yours then thats your personal call.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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scotty says on Sep 14, 2007, 11:52:

I dont know i thought my story of the mosquito attack was a good story, these mosquitos were very professional, they hit hard and fast with no warning and escaped off into the night. The police would do nothing to retrieve my blood.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Morrongo says on Sep 14, 2007, 11:53:

Well I am going to buck the trend here. In the last two years i have been stabbed, lucky or unluckily in the arm , attacked by three youths in daylight in front of Iglesia Santa Rosa in Cali Centre,had no option but to fight them off,Church full of people,nobody helped me, not even the priest.too busy praying to God as true Christan's. Second, gun pulled on me ,two blocks off Ave 6a ,this i could of prevented with a bit of commonsense as it was 9 at night ,Christmas time,should of taken a Taxi.Escaped that one too.He pulled the gun and put it up against his chest and covered it with hands waiting for a car to pass,fortunately i noticed it and didn't wait, ran like hell,the other guy that was with him tried to hold onto me but I was gone, to a nearby Hotel with security...In these situations something kicks in and split second decision, decides how you are going to hande it,thinking back, i do not know it was wise to run,if I was in a isolated Barrio perhaps I would of reacted differently.
In Buenaventura I witnessed two assassination, one in a cafe and one in front of my house ,both drug related. The second assassination,the guy put four bullets in his head ,walked away making a phone call at the same time,cool as you like.I like to think I am a good citizen , but I joined everybody else that day and did not see anything.Also after a bomb blast in Independence Buenavetura, saw a Farc member minus one arm and leg, the bomb he was carrying explode prematurely. I had very mixed feelings about that one, as he was intend on killing and destruction, but lay there crying to the police to help him,the Police on there part just stood there took photos on their cell phones and watched him die.Why I had mixed feelings? because this guy obviously didn't have two wits to rub together(nor a leg or arm at that moment) and was just a tool for someones ideologically.Almost forgot, a assassination in Nueva Floresta, Cali..passing motor bike gunned someone down in a bar,I was inside,he was outside.I know some of these incidents were not directed at me personnally, but they do effect you!!
Yeah ,know about the guy how got stabbed in the chest while riding his bike,that was a few years ago,I was working in the same company.
On writing all this,I believe Colombia is a safe as anywhere as long as you keep to the secure areas,once you move away from those routes, you are in a different part of Colombia ,one that violence is a daily routine for the Estrato 3 and below
Suprised there are not more experiencias, or does everyone just stay in Estrato 4,5,6

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scotty says on Sep 14, 2007, 13:08:

Morrongo, man those sound like some very scarey and serious attacks. In Colombia its every man, woman and child for themselves. Anyone and everyone is a target. a quick story, the girl i was dating in Cali has a 10 year old son, he was walking to school and a full grown man attacked him right on a busy street trying to steal his cell phone, no one helped the boy, not one person came to that little boys aid. The boy using his smarts, kicked the man you know where and ran like hell all the way to school.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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BAQ says on Sep 14, 2007, 14:05:

Dont worry, bring your motorcycle and ride all over the country, you will be fine. The security problems here have all been solved, Colombia is safer than fort knox. No need for the police or the military any more, they will all be out of work beginning next week, the govt has disbanded them to save money.

Semper Fidelis !

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Morrongo says on Sep 14, 2007, 14:23:

I know this is off topic,but Scottys story reminds me of one a few weeks ago,a schoolgirl was breaking her heart,i asked her whats the matter? a man had robbed her of her trainers,there she sat without shoes.This was in an area Estrato 2 bordering Estrato 5. Certainly there are chancers that look into the better Estratos,but the most crime is in the Estrato 3 and below,not big stuff ,just petty crimes.Thats why nearly all the houses in the poorer Estratos have guns in the house,illegal,but nothing that a 20,000 tip to the police will not cure. You cannt get water from a stone, but sure, they get a fews drops.

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bickerss says on Sep 14, 2007, 17:00:

was also in the BBC when it got bombed 4 years ago or so - i count that as a mugging!!

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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Lowell says on Sep 14, 2007, 17:02:

Been thinking about getting a sawed off pump shotgun to keep hidden with my emergency supplies. I'll be damned if some jerk(s) want to steal my stuff if there's ever an emergency that shuts things down for a while. Wonder how much that will cost. Plus about a hundrerd rounds of buck shot and maybe a few slugs.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Gator says on Sep 14, 2007, 17:31:

"In Bogota it is the opposite, it's almost like the richer the neighborhood, the more robberies and burglaries occur. You can't get water from a stone :P"\

"Anywhere immediately west of cra 7 in Bogota at night should be walked with due caution, and you have to watch for pickpockets even moreso than muggers."

Bull s_ _t.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:07:

Lowell, no reason to get a sawed off shotgun. Besides being illegal in Colombia unless your licensed security or police; a normal length, 18-20 inch 12 gauge is more effective. And using simple bird shot at somebody closer than 20 feet (most shootings occur even closer) will pretty much chop them in half, remove a face, whatever. A well aimed slug could knock a person off their feet from 100 meters away. But try proving to the police you were in imminent danger at that distance.

I never got mugged or even felt like I was getting sized up when I lived in Villavo. But I tried to be relatively wise about where I was at, at what time I was there, and who with, etc.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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goin_south says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:32:

I WAS MUGGED ON MY VERY FIRST TRIP TO COLOMBIA...
The bellman barely got the door closed in Hotel Intercontinental in Cali...
before mi novia had snatched mis pantolones..
And, it wasn't quite two years ago, either :o)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:36:

man, that is the same trouble I kept running into down there, when I went goin south. The chicas assaulted me, unspeakably, and that has been within the last 2 year time limit. Houston Girl, this is Apollo 13, we have a problem.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:39:

I hate it when they take all my clothes and rough me up :)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:42:

let's not hijack this post GS. These guys are serious here. Let's go to some more important issues. such as how your boy did, in College Football Kickoff.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Sep 14, 2007, 20:47:

go !

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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elregaloperfecto.com says on Sep 15, 2007, 08:25:

I was a victim of the paseo millonario a few years ago... took a cab on friday night, around 9, and as i was taking the cash out of my wallet to pay the driver in front of my building his 2 accomplices got in on both sides.. thay grabbed me and took me for a ride... you all probably know the rest...

just be careful when taking cabs, look around at all times during the ride, be alert, make sure the driver does not deviate from the route or take a detour; when you first get in the cab, make a call on your cell (or pretend to make a call) and read outloud his name from the sign and the license plate to whomever is on the other side of the call, make sure the driver hears you do this.

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Gator says on Sep 15, 2007, 09:10:

For a 90-day wonder in Colombia you sure profess to know a lot. I did read the story and here is part:

* TransMilenio, portal Norte
* TransMilenio, portal Américas
* TransMileno, portal Calle 80
* Transmilenio, estación Avenida Jiménez
* Zona Rosa, entre las calles 72 y 85 y las carreras 11 y 19
* De la calle 90 a la 95, entre carreras 11 y 19
* Calles 49 y 63, entre carreras 7a. y 16
* Calles 11 y 22, entre carreras 5 y 4
* Avenida Boyacá con Av. Primero de Mayo
* Avenida 68 con calle 80

Calles 49 y 63, entre carreras 7a. y 16 OK, but that's down near Universidad Javeriana and most of the other sites are near the TM(many close to where you have jigs)

I guess you read the link and most of the replies did not agree with what you say,.. In fact the real problem appears to be carrera 15 north to 100 which is a commercial/business area. I know it upset you when people dare to disagree with ANY of your weird ass statements but as they say in the Russian Army, "Tuffski Shitski."

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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Morrongo says on Sep 15, 2007, 10:10:

Read the article,but these types of articles would be the same in New York,London,where their are people traveling in numbers you will find thieves,bus terminals,hotels are also hot spots. Colombia in the Estrato 4,5,6 is as safe as anywhere. The majority of crime is in the Estrato 3 and below.Hell, they never report 90% of it, just except it and part of their daily lives.

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LA_MONA says on Sep 15, 2007, 10:34:

Morrongo if I had have seen one of the events you seen I would be traumatised for sure.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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manINred says on Sep 15, 2007, 11:01:

Goodness gracious, I seemed to have gotten Raaay's goat!

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Morrongo says on Sep 15, 2007, 11:42:

I went to one of those clubs in Cali, where i saw una gordita lying naked face down on a sofa.That did traumatised me!!!,the other must have effected me somehow,I now smoke,which for 50 years, I had managed to avoid!

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LA_MONA says on Sep 15, 2007, 11:59:

jajaja Dios mio. So was it just the fact that she was a gordita that traumatised you?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Morrongo says on Sep 15, 2007, 12:46:

First Whale i have ever seen out of water! When i say she was a gordita, I was being kind

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LA_MONA says on Sep 15, 2007, 12:50:

mucho morrongo usted no? ;-) that name makes me laugh..nice pic too by the way.

Well smoking is definitely a negative side effect of your trauma... interesting how trauma manifests itself sometimes.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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miamimike says on Sep 15, 2007, 16:01:

Morrongo says on Saturday September 15th, 2007 10:10:

Read the article,but these types of articles would be the same in New York,London,where their are people traveling in numbers you will find thieves,bus terminals,hotels are also hot spots. Colombia in the Estrato 4,5,6 is as safe as anywhere. The majority of crime is in the Estrato 3 and below.Hell, they never report 90% of it, just except it and part of their daily lives
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Morrongo--Not always safer in Estrato 4,5 or 6. A good friend of Mone was nabbed in a Taxi he caught across the street from the Santa Barbara Mall. They drove him down to the Train Station in South Bogota(from where the well known Tourist Train departs)not a nice area at all in the nightime. They rolled him there and he took all the precautions one could take. He is a Bogota native, not dressed to the Nines or with fancy Gold Jewelry ect, speaks Spanish with an accent from Bogota ect. You never know where once your Number is drawn, good neighborhood or Bad,,,They sequestered a guy here in Miami a few months back and in the Chic Coral Gables Neighborhood to beat all. Took the guy for a ride for a few days and drained his ATM account,,,

Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte después Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte de

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Morrongo says on Sep 15, 2007, 16:02:

Spent 18 months working for two charities..and general morrongering .I learnt a lot in those months for sure! La mona ..son mi burro y topo siempre con migo..

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Morrongo says on Sep 15, 2007, 16:35:

miamimike could not agree more,of course you can take all the precautions you want,if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time! the taxi mugging has being on going for some time,.Radio taxis are always the way to go .especially at night. Of course there are serious crimes in the higher Estratos. I am just commenting the vast majority of crime are in the lower Estratos.You only got to see the large queues at police stations in the lower Estrados waiting to make there Denuncio.

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goin_south says on Sep 15, 2007, 23:06:

"dead wrong"
is pretty strong, ..
coming from someone who has been in Colombia 2 or 3 times.

sometimes,
you wouldn't know 'wrong',
if you heard it in a song

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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billyb says on Sep 16, 2007, 01:47:

Rubi, you also have to take into account that people that get mugged in the higher strat neighborhoods usually have higher value items stolen and are more likely to go through the hassle (factoring in the knowledge that the police probably will be of no help) of reporting the crime than someone in a lower strato hood that gets mugged for 5K pesos and just factors it into part of the fabric of living there.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 11:48:

I hope you're not sayin he's DEAD WRONG, billyb ;)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Gator says on Sep 16, 2007, 12:49:

" Avenida 68 con calle 80 This is 4 and 5"
Out by Exito and Home Center? Es 4 and 5, I don't think so..

"Zona Rosa, entre las calles 72 y 85 y las carreras 11 y 19
* De la calle 90 a la 95, entre carreras 11 y 19
THAT is the most expensive real estate IN THE CITY in those areas. Most of it is Estrato 6"

Nope, wrong again

Original post "Anywhere immediately west of cra 7 in Bogota at night should be walked with due caution, and you have to watch for pickpockets even moreso than muggers.

Nope, wrong again. Posted article does NOT support your hypothesis.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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Gator says on Sep 16, 2007, 20:37:

Barrio Estrato

BOCHICA 2
SANTA MARIA 2
AUTOPISTA MEDELLIN 3
BOCHICA 3
BOCHICA II 3
BOLIVIA 3
BOLIVIA ORIENTAL 3
PARIS GAITAN 3

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 22:32:

I went to ZR a few times while in Bogota and never saw or heard any evidence of any crime... walking the streets.. half looped.. 'was it the colombiana en mi lado' that kept me safe? I doubt it.

I could be wrong, but I believe Gator has been to Colombia more times than you and I hope to, rubito.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:06:

yeah,... it's just like you, when they stole your chain/crucifix from around your neck in New York, but they didn't Mugg ya... jajajjj

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:20:

I guess this whole north unsafe south safe debate is just sutpid. I feel safe where I live, nothing has ever happened to me, I go out a lot...never been mugged in 93, 82, Usaquen, 72... and thats because I know where to go...Lived there for freaking years. The times Ive gotten mugged have been in downtown bogota and lower estratos...so perhaps for the people who live there (both places) it isnt a big deal, but for ocassional visitors/ passerbys is a constant danger.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:26:

but for ocassional visitors/ passerbys is a constant danger.

Not true, CK. I only been there 4 times. Never really worried or threatened.
Why? Part luck. Part cause I don't go where I know I shouldn't. Part cause the person I'm with knows where to and not to go. Part cause I got a lil of the GIB mentality.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:27:

although we did go to zona rosa. oh, my god! :::)))))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:34:

zona rosa and parque 93 felt almost completely safe to me, except for the feeling of being hussled while walking around, occassionally. a simple wagging of the index finger, saying no, and they were always polite in no longer selling me their junk.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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christobeldawg says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:37:

I did feel robbed by the prices they placed on their menus there. The prices in those two famous areas are always a threat.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:59:

I felt 'robbed; mugged' after returning to the hotel room; (I think she took advantage of me, after those stiff frozen drinks they serve with an "extra shot" up in La Tropicana ;))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Sep 16, 2007, 23:59:

:o)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 17, 2007, 00:06:

not that there was anything wrong with their junk. gs, you're so right, the threat always seemed to be after getting back to the room. what can the government do about this constant problem? I am a only a tourist in a strange land.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Sep 17, 2007, 00:09:

.. a strange tourist,... in a far-away land...jajjajje
.....como yo!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 17, 2007, 00:22:

I was taught in kindergarden to look both ways before crossing the street. In Colombia, I have now learned to look six to eight different ways before even arriving at the street. y entonces, maybe decide to not cross the street

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Sep 17, 2007, 00:24:

a lil bit of the GIB mentality, in small proportion ;) Si!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kalder says on Sep 17, 2007, 01:21:

Colombians do step in sometimes. Once, in my wife's town in Valle del Cauca, a guy mugged a kid in broad daylight. There was an instant hue and cry, the mugger leapt on his moped and it seemed that every able-bodied man in town gave hot pursuit in cars, on bikes and on foot.

The worrying thing was that the attack took place right in front of me and I did nothing. I thought it was just kids messing about and my thoughts were elsewhere. So it's nul points for kalder in the street smarts contest :(

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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goin_south says on Sep 17, 2007, 01:27:

I expect you'll have 2 take some heat for that today on pbh, kalder ;)
I'm already wrought with disappointment for your cowardly inactivity ;))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kalder says on Sep 17, 2007, 02:37:

And it's richly deserved gs...

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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Gator says on Sep 17, 2007, 09:06:

"You can call me the "90 day wonder" all you want but I actually KNOW that area firsthand. Do you?"

Not really-we just stay barricaded in our apartmento behind triple locked and bolted iron-clad doors feeding the Rottweilers. God! I hope the delivery man can make it through this time with the order of the 00 buckshot for the 12 ga. street sweeper and Mrs. Gator continues to improve with her Glock 33. Her motto, because of this area we live in is, "Never leave home without it."

BTW, in Bogotá pickpocketing and petty theft like picking up a cell phone on the counter or table are not considered robberies. You are right-since Bogotá has over 1.000 barrios I have not, by a damn sight, been to all of them. Especially in the south.

Some of the 35/40 barrios in La Candelaria, of which at least 90 per cent arer a 2 or a three, there are a couple that are a 5 like La Alameda and Las Nieves

Some of the rest estrato

Las Cruces 2/3
Santa Ines 2/3
La Catederal 2/3
La Estanzuela 2/3
La Capuchina 2

To paraphrase: "Rubito does NOT live there, but if he thinks the ZR and 93 are high in robberies compared to the rest of the city I don't care if he's been there for his past 100 lifetimes, he still hasn't got a clue!"

Yo creo que tú no tienes razón.Ten cuidado no metas la pata

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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Gator says on Sep 17, 2007, 14:00:

Rubito, They why can YOU argue that they are not safe? All I can say is the wife lived and went to college in Bogotá. While her she lived in La Esperanza no problems, we live in the heart of this death trap and experience no problem, people who live in out building experience no problem and people who live in the immediate neighborhood experience no problems.
.
"Well this 90-day wonder (it's actually more like 180 day wonder now) has been in about 80% of the city by now."

Oh really? Damn, a Pink Pig almost flew in the window

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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goin_south says on Sep 17, 2007, 22:16:

...and you 'believe' everything you 'read'?
holy fuck rubito! get real.
And, thanks for leaving the usa.
are you gone for good yet?
There's lots of good orientales and colombians ready to take your place, who understand reality in economics ;)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 17, 2007, 22:53:

GS, it's "Asians", not "Orientals". I don't want you to offend our Asian members here!

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Gator says on Sep 18, 2007, 07:42:

Back to the "F" word. But I thought only the rich party people got "robbed." You posted: 11 between 4 and 5 - Estrato 2: between 4 and 5 - Estrato 3. Not a five six in that bunch.

"Any SANE place on Earth or the whole internet wouldn't have a problem with the concept."
Siempre que viene aquí, tenemos dificultades.

I will leave it up to those who care to believe whom they feel is right.

Va de mala peor.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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goin_south says on Sep 18, 2007, 08:16:

los orientales sounds so much more latin, though... more vowels ;)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Gator says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:37:

He has All the Facts that Fit his Posts.

Man, Talk about pettifogging.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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goin_south says on Sep 18, 2007, 22:34:

*****neighborhoods that have reputations as being dangerous, ******

..guess he doesn't understand, Gator, how someone or something,...gets a REPUTATION.
I felt (AND WAS) very secure in Zona Rosa in Bogota.
So, just STFU! Okay?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 18, 2007, 22:49:

with apoligies to my PBH friend Rubito, I can say, from having been there several times, that while there were a number of panhandlers, as well as people that were a bit annoying selling nonsense, that Zona Rosa and Parque 93 seemed generally secure. I got the feeling that, since these are such popular tourist areas, that if the government cannot protect people in these areas, that the government almost loses legitimacy, and if felt as though they recognize this. They want, and need, more tourism in Colombia, and if a tourist can't feel secure in these popular areas, then things are way out of control. In daytime hours, I was at first amazed, because of all I had heard, how safe it seemed to walk around most all of northern Bogota. I am going to report back on the south on my soon coming trip there.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 18, 2007, 23:25:

goin_south says on Sep 18, 2007, 23:37:

*****going to report back on the south on my soon coming trip there.*****

first off,... taking my name in vain: ''going.... south'' ;)

second off... We Hope you make it back... to report... about goin...south. jejjje...
Buenas Suerte, dude!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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RAAAY says on Sep 19, 2007, 20:42:

been away for a few days............108 comments............one case of actual violence inflicted on a phr'er and an i-pod taken from a lady on a bus................I've seen more shit happening in Disney Land..............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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christobeldawg says on Sep 19, 2007, 20:50:

jaja now I get it GSouth. I will not take thy name in vain when I go south in Bogota next month

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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manINred says on Sep 19, 2007, 21:27:

Yeah well RAAAY I don't know what survey you are conducting and what conclusions you will draw from it, but this is the internet where people can say whatever the hell they want, and where a very small sample group will give you a reply, accurate or not.

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RAAAY says on Sep 20, 2007, 00:21:

Yes Manfred......................it is the internet...............the difference is that people thrive on the opportunity to tell of their personal horror stories.................it's bullshit to suggest that someone here had a violent experience but yet painted a rosy picture.................

Typically..............when something happens to someone they tend to embellish the hell out of it..............not the other way around..

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Sep 20, 2007, 00:26:

Rubito.................of course there are muggings.....robberies ......crime.....here...........
These things happen here.............. and in every city on the planet.......with no exceptions..............some cities more than others...............
People should be careful here ...................and everywere else............but the constant drone from some people here is just annoying............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 20, 2007, 02:13:

goin_south says on Sep 20, 2007, 04:30:

Anyway... WHAT EXACTLY IS ......MUGGING? vs... robbery? Now, are we splitting hairs?
(that's okay; I can use some extra on de top ;))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 20, 2007, 13:19:

Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation. A perpetrator of a robbery is a robber. Because violence is an ingredient of most robberies, they sometimes result in the harm or murder of their victims.

So I guess a mugging is a type of robbery. To be charged with robbery here, generally a building has to be entered also. Like a bank, store, house, etc.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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goin_south says on Sep 20, 2007, 17:21:

RAAAY, do they actually keep stats, or collect 'em, on 'Muggings'?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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RAAAY says on Sep 20, 2007, 17:48:

GS...........I'm sure they do...........however I imagine that these figures would be somewhat off, as a lot of people would tend not to report..............knowing full well that very little would be achieved by reporting................this is certainly the case in the States........and I assume everywere else......


However...........if you look at my question..............." Has anyone here got a real personal experience of violence that was inflicted on THEMSELVES.........
....................something real......something concrete.....that actually happened to YOURSELF in the last two years in any part of Colombia.........???



I'm not suggesting anything by the question......or indeed drawing any conclusions.............
but it is certainly food for thought.........................that, of all the hundreds of people here that have seen this thread in the last week..........only ONE person here has reported to have been affected in the manner described.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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tampavallenato says on Sep 20, 2007, 18:59:

Raaay- Did you get the results you thought you would?

Ay Hombe!!!

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RAAAY says on Sep 20, 2007, 20:54:

tampavallenato says
...." Raaay- Did you get the results you thought you would? "


Actually ......No.

It reminds me of negative political advertising. Nobody likes it..........every politican vows not to stoop to it........but then .....something happens in a campaign and the negative ads begin with a vengance. They work. They always work, as any political strategist will attest to.

In other words. If you throw enough shit around, no matter how implausible, it will have the effect of getting people to believe it.

Do you remember the time Dan Quale was on a visit to some Latin American countries.......and he supposedely used the line at a large gathering........ " I'm just sorry that I did'nt continue with my Latin classes at high school as I would have been able to communicate with you better......"
Everybody believed that Quale had actually said this ( which he did'nt ) because of all the brainwashing in the press and media that he was totally stupid.

We here, on PBH, are subjected to a daily dose of negative ramblings of how dangerous life is in Colombian cities. So, it eventually sticks.

Thousands upon thousands of comments on PBH about the dangers in Colombian cities.....I would have expected to hear that more than ONE person has actually been affected personally by violence here in the last two years.

It is overkill. Total overkill and it is perpitrated by a small number of people to feed their notion of being brave and macho for living here, or coming here on a visit. The more these people talk about how dangerous it is here, the more they feel they are getting attention.

Limerick city in Ireland has an absolutely nortorious and horrendous reputation as being a dangerous and violent city. Criminal gangs, drug gangs, shootings murders and stabbings. Ordinary people steer clear of it. The fact is that, unless you are a criminal or drug gang member, the city is as safe as anywhere else in the country. Perception.................it's all about the perception.

You have to be careful everywere you go. Take the well documented precautions. Stay away from shit that is not kosher and stay away from places that you don't belong in. This applies to Colombian cities and cities everywere. I take as much care in Beverly hills as in Laureles. I don't go to South Central nor to areas in Medellin I don't belong in.

There is absolutely no evidance whatsoever to suggest a vacationer in Colombia is at a higher risk NOW than in cities across the globe.

Maybe I'm wrong...............but just because someone keeps saying it is so .....does'nt make it so......................

You will notice that if any of the doomsayers respond to this...........it will be with generalities.....................no specifics.......no evidence....................................just watch.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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tampavallenato says on Sep 20, 2007, 22:04:

Well put Raaay! It seems impossible to get facts that folks know for themselves. I know a guy who knows this guy!!!!! Hard to find the truth even when you ask as clearly as you did. Now add a beer or two and forget about it.

Ay Hombe!!!

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tampavallenato says on Sep 20, 2007, 22:05:

Good luck finding the truth.

Ay Hombe!!!

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goin_south says on Sep 20, 2007, 22:26:

"""Well put Raaay! It seems impossible to get facts that folks know for themselves. """

Usually, I just say: "I got it from rubito!!"
jejje

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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tampavallenato says on Sep 20, 2007, 22:40:

See, Rubito is "The Guy"!

Ay Hombe!!!

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RAAAY says on Sep 21, 2007, 02:29:

tomtom33 says on Friday September 21st, 2007 1:57:

Keep ignoring the elephant in the room, RAAAY. You and everyone else will believe what they want to believe regardless of the truth.



Just like I said............



.......................".You will notice that if any of the doomsayers respond to this...........it will be with generalities.....................no specifics.......no evidence....................................just watch."

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 21, 2007, 21:25:

I had a lady push me out of the way in a line before. Does that count?

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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goin_south says on Sep 21, 2007, 21:30:

my novia's son's black lab snatched a hambone from my hand, while having dinner in their apartment one night. Yeah, the bone still had meat on it and I was still hungry. That must count.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 21, 2007, 21:49:

The hotel cleaning lady walked in on me as I exited the shower once. Now I think this post is finally getting at some serious mugging issues

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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RAAAY says on Sep 22, 2007, 00:34:

GS................it had to be a black lab...??..............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Sep 22, 2007, 04:01:

RAAY.... please.
Don't start the racist chit here with me, okay?
I have NEVER HEARD OF A Black Lab
referred to as anything other than.....
A BLACK LAB.
And, Always an Object of Adoration,... thos Black Labs!
So, stop the shit. Okay?
Muchas Gracias,...Raaay.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Sep 22, 2007, 04:02:

hey, Dawg.... How bout the rest of the story???

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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RAAAY says on Sep 22, 2007, 06:51:

........ GS...........it was meant to be a " tongue in cheek comment "...................the humour was lost in the writing......................no offence ........sorry about that........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Sep 22, 2007, 10:15:

Well, then....
Of course! It had to be a black lab.
I never saw a golden retriever....
I never saw a chocolate lab
in Colombia.

And, both/either would have had more manners ;)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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lpdiver says on Oct 1, 2007, 23:12:

I saw a yellow lab...carrying an LSU fighting tigers cap in Laureles.

t

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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lpdiver says on Oct 1, 2007, 23:13:

I saw a yellow lab...carrying an LSU fighting tigers cap in Laureles.

t

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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goin_south says on Oct 2, 2007, 21:49:

What's to fight about?
They're Numero Uno, no?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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