"White"Colombians and costenos and racism.

Alma del Norte says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:09:

Where do you live? If there is one thing that does bother me living in Colombia, it's the white supremacist attitude. It seems your wealth and social position correlates almost exactly to your skin shade.

Mononoke28 says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:26:

Racism and prejudice is all over the place, especially in the US. It's wrong but it's there.

Diana

de pronto says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:32:

I agree with Mononoke, racism is not about nationality but small minded people

... y viaje a Macondo todo pagado

nothatsure says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:34:

It's wrong but it's there...very true but it's still unacceptable.nobody has the right to reject/ignore someone because of the colour of their skin.I'm so sick of it I want to scream.These "whiteÇolombians are over here doing jobs that they would be ashamed to do back home but they still think themsleves superior to my darker skinned hubby who at least has a proper job and is not out selling his soul(or his body)to make a living.

toneloc24 says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:35:

Nothatsure-

Do a search on this on PBH. The threads are endless. What you'll find is a lot of, "it's more classism than racism" crap from the crowd here. The shit transcends reality.

I see these geeky wannabe Colombian skinheads around in Bogota, and truly must laugh in their faces. I mean swastikas in Bogota??? Talk about in need of a reality check???

On a brighter note, I do find it funny when those same discriminant folks go abroad to the USA and are immediately mistaken for Mexicans, or to Spain, where they get their true comeuppance. It ain't right, but karma's a bitch.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

de pronto says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:39:

"nobody has the right to reject/ignore someone because of the colour of their skin (nor for their way of thinking, nor for their nationality, nor for their sex, nor for their money, nor for their sexuality, nor for their job, etc)... "

Easy to right it down... but harder to live with RESPECT for others... sad but true.

... y viaje a Macondo todo pagado

nothatsure says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:43:

Here here toneloc24.
When you live with someone being treated this way you really feel it.I wonder how many people posting on here experience the colombian brand of racism first hand.I experience it second hand through my hubby and that's bad enough.
I'm glad that some get their comeuppance...they deserve to!

ietk says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:45:

The problem in Colombia is not only racism there is some we do not deny that but the main problem there lies in the social status of the person in question, I am from Barranquilla and something that I hate about Barranquilleros is when you meet a person from Barranquilla the first question to come out from their mouth is most likely "Y que apellido tu eres?" and the second one "Y en que barrio vives?" I hate that, is like if you do not have a known last name or live in an upper class barrio you belong to a different sector of society.

Mononoke28 says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:47:

See, I'm with you with the whole racism issue since I also believe that it's wrong and it shouldn't exist. BUT what gets to me is that you're pin pointing only Colombians as being the racists ones. Isn't that a form of judging others? Racism is everywhere in the world. The southern states of the US for example are inundated with these kind of attitudes, South Africa, England, Spain is beyond repair, even countries within Africa have to live with who is darker and who's lighter, same with African-Americans here in the States.

So you do have a valid point, but as soon as you pidgeon hole Colombians as racists, your point loses all validity.

Diana

Lauthra says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:48:

I don't agree with them being rude to your husband, but just cos they're colombian doesn't mean they'll have much in common.

Nato (='.'=)

ietk says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:50:

Mononoke I agree with you 110%.

nothatsure says on Apr 14, 2008, 12:52:

In my husband's case there are about 10 Spanish speakers maximum in the whole city.I can count the Colombians on one hand.He is very lonely and goes weeks without speaking Spanish...and these ba...tds just ignore him. English,American,Canadian,Australian all make him welcome..they are more open minded.De pronto says racism isn't about naionality but about small minded people.Well I'm sorry but there sure are a lot of small minded Colombians around.They should be ashamed of themselves.

romy says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:01:

Mononoke-just because racism exists in other places, doesn't mean you can't discuss racism in Colombia in a Colombia-based forum.

Racism is rampant in Colombia. I've been told stories that my grand-mother wouldn't let her kids play with the 'coloured' kids. And they were a poor family by all means.

I'll agree with Lauthra though. I don't have too many Colombian (or latino) friends and it hasn't had to do anything with race, more with having different interests and social networks.

nothatsure says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:03:

I have actually taken lifts with Colombian 'friends"who have insisted that my hubby sit in the back and not the front of the car,I have been invited into a house in Barranquilla and my husband expected to wait outside...I waited outside with him,and on one occasion he was not allowed into a hotel in Cartegena.We have arrived at one or two hotels in this same city to find that the room we booked over the phone is mysteriously no longer available.The whole thing makes me want to throw up.

dwr says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:07:

Let me pose this question. I know that many people on this site are Colombians living outside of Colombia so I may get shit. But, is it possible that Colombians become "stuck up" when they live outside of Colombia? I haven't put much thought into it but it has crossed my mind on occasions. Colombians in Colombia might be a better people than those who have made the great escape. Bring on the criticism.

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:09:

Romy, you don't have to go back to your grandmother to see the same activity in colombia right now.

romy says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:18:

Frank- I was just giving my 'personal manifestation', but I agree as I have seen it. However, maybe not as bad as "don't play with them" kind of attitude or some of the things nothatsure has mentioned.

dwr- that's probably a whole other discussion. I don't know how my attitude has changed because in my mind my roots are still in Colombia and I'm here merely to get an education. But I would say that the reality for a lot of Colombians that go abroad, is that they start making money at levels they never had before in their lives. And of course their social circles in Colombia more often than not would not have experienced such prosperity. So there is going to be a certain clash when they see eachother again.

slguy says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:25:

"nothatsure says on Monday April 14th, 2008 12:52:

"In my husband's case there are about 10 Spanish speakers maximum in the whole city.I can count the Colombians on one hand. He is very lonely and goes weeks without speaking Spanish...and these ba...tds just ignore him"


Maybe you chose the wrong place to live? money isn't everything...

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:34:

Hi romy....its' not changed at all from your grandmothers description.....i'm in agreement with you.

doktordemente says on Apr 14, 2008, 13:56:

I agree with the postings that imply that this issue transcends "sking color" and includes social class, region of origin in Colombia, occupation/profession, interests, networks one is part of, et cetera. The author of the original posting implies that her husband is somehow victimized by his fellow Colombians because of his racial or ethnic background and is therefore ignored by them. But let me ask you: (1) Why should your husband be a charity case that needs to be welcomed, entertained, and treated with kid gloves just because of his nationality?; and, (2) How may your husband contribute to his being ignored by fellow Colombians? Is he boring... loud... uneducated... arrogant... interested only in one or two activities? I think this issue goes much deeper than your assumption that this has to do with skin color only. Mis dos centavos... Gracias.

robi666 says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:20:

Could it be....?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

webmanco says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:36:

Good points by doktordemente. It is not always about racism, but also wrong first impresion. Most colombians can´t be judge by only ten of them.

Also I am against marked "regionalism", namely costeños, paisas, cachacos etc. Colombia it is just one country. Don´t need to look down on any region.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Mononoke28 says on Apr 14, 2008, 14:56:

I truly accept the fact that there is a lot of racism in Colombia. I've seen it since I was a child and sadly a lot of my family members feel this way.

I was brought up in the US and saw a lot of this behavior not only towards me, the Colombian, but towards my other Latino and African-American friends. And I'm not here bitching about how I've been treated. We also lived in a very small town called Ellenville, NY and the racism was palpable. I shrugged it off and moved somewhere else.

Diana

billyb says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:22:

I agree Colombians are very racist and classist, but it also doesn't mean that you have to hang out with someone in the exterior just because you are both Colombian, but might not have anything else in common. BTW, racism in Colombia is couched in paternalism, and it is not overt hate against blacks as you might see with the KKK, but rather, it manifests itself more as discrimination. Colombians will say, I have nothing against "los negritos", but have one try to date their daughters and even the most liberal Colombian will have a coniption fit.

Simon says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:49:

"BUT what gets to me is that you're pin pointing only Colombians as being the racists ones. Isn't that a form of judging others?"

"So you do have a valid point, but as soon as you pidgeon hole Colombians as racists, your point loses all validity."

I agree with Mononoke 100%! I think the OP is a racist!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

MitchAlvarez says on Apr 14, 2008, 15:58:

Every F'in Country is racist not just some colombians. Lauthra made the best point. Not all colombians have much in common.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

Simon says on Apr 14, 2008, 16:08:

I do believe we decent, honest, hard-working Colombians have much in common. But we don't have much in common with those who are driven by making money through 'any means' possible.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

lpdiver says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:07:

I agree with the having something in common bit as well. I mean my wife is not ready to embrace every person of Colombian desent that we encounter. And I try to avoid most Americans that I encounter in Colombia.

t

"cook some rice!"

Papi de Alejo says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:10:

No, but we do hear a lot about the Polish-Americans, the Italian-Americans, the Greek-Americans, the Irish-Americans. And on and on....

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:10:

I actually agree with your markanthony.

august says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:12:

Wow, when did this posting turn into a space for white empowerment? Read some damn history books kids.

Rubito says on Apr 14, 2008, 19:56:

Dude, that is just so absolutely NOT TRUE. Unbelievable the depths of ignorance and stupidity on this site. I'm not even black, but I wish you could live even 24 hours in a black man's skin. If would shut you up FOREVER on this issue. I'd rather be a white bum than a rich black man in the USA, because I don't have any scales on my eyes, and you'd have a HELL of a time finding even ONE black person in the US who doesn't agree with that!

I'm also suspicious that this may not be simply a case of racism, but we really don't have any way of knowing, we have no real data, just one person's opinion.

From what I've seen in Bogota, if you're a fucking costeño de mierda you're a fucking costeño de mierda. I've seen it happen to a costeño friend of mine who is as blond as I am. Hell, in Bogota there are SO many levels on which people can and do snub each other, race is just another drop in the bucket, really.

If you turn on the TV and watch CSPAN and then watch its Colombian equivalent, I GUARANTEE you will see a lot more variation in skin color, age and a LOT more females in the Colombian version.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

RussianFred says on Apr 14, 2008, 21:41:

In the real world all Latinos are Mexicans, and illegal aliens. Some Colombians may look white but when they open their mouths they are spic... sorry!

I do no agree with racism but it is real. I think in 2050 all Colombians will be Chinese.
LOL

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

MitchAlvarez says on Apr 14, 2008, 22:40:

spics? pobre gueva ome

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

goin_south says on Apr 14, 2008, 22:55:

Lauthra makes a good point, that I have already observed, when I thought otherwise:

""just cos they're colombian doesn't mean they'll have much in common"".

Nearly astounding, but true. We expect such, but....

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Rubito says on Apr 14, 2008, 23:17:

Well, that was a nice dumb little tirade. Try reading my post next time. I never said I felt any guilt and I sure as hell don't. *I* never did anything racist or ethnocentric in my life. I'll leave the guilt to others :)

And I'm happy with who I am, but I"m not proud of it, because that would be silly. I'm proud of what I accomplish, not of some shit I was born with.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

manINred says on Apr 14, 2008, 23:53:

"Racism against whites is everywhere in this country and I for one, have had enough of it. "

I assume you are not talking about Colombia, and definitely assume you are not talking about the US. Obviously there are pockets of racism against every culture somewhere in the world, but racism in Colombia is directly primarily towards blacks, wheres in the States the vast majority of the vast amount of racism is directed towards blacks too, and latinos get a bit of a bruising in that respect. In Canada, it's directed towards the indians who we kill and dump on shit reserves (a few notable exceptions).

Rubito says on Apr 14, 2008, 23:59:

I think it's worse to be "inga" than "mandinga" in Colombia too actually FWIW.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

jack_jason says on Apr 15, 2008, 01:13:

May be your Colombian costeño does not have good manners and family education, in other words is vulgar. I have met so may Colombians, black, yellow etc. And I do not mind to be their friend if they behave correctly showing good manners and good family values. But if I met a vulgar and laud Colombian guy, I would just go away.

Why every time some one rejects another one, people tends to think that this is because racism?. I reject people bad dressed wearing a big gold chain in their necks, with a NY baseball cap, and a stamped T-shirt. Or wearing a multicolors tennis shoes. And most costeños, "not all costeños" are quite ordinary in the way the look.

This is just spanglish, please do not correct me

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 05:42:

boy, as a costeno who looks it from a mile away this is a subject i'm very familiar with BUT it might get ugly so is best to keep my mouth shut.
Yes i do have a big gold chain around my fokin neck and yes i wear a yankee baseball cap and stamped t shirt, but as for multicolor tennis shoes, i draw the line there.
I wear adida sneakers with green stripes the same type joe namath used to wear, which i had since 1974

tomtom33 says on Apr 15, 2008, 05:42:

Markanthony, you have described the US of 20 and 30 years ago. The pendulum did swing too far with affirmative action and race preferences. It has now pretty much swung back. The ideal situation would be that race, gender and ethnicity make no difference what so ever. Unfortunately, I will never live to see that anywhere.

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 05:50:

i will tell you this, before they come to pick me up for my daily walk in the park, that if i had another life, i could not think of any thing better than to come back a costeno again, BUT this time i wanna spend all my life in curramba just like 99% of all barranquilleros

if not costeno, then a hip funny SMART jewish guy from the upper west side of manhattan making over 500 thousand dollars a year doing something artistic.
a guy like Jon Stewart
thank you

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 05:59:

what ever happens PLEASE don't make me come back a NASCAR LOVING, BASS FISHING, BUDWISER DRINKING, MULLET AND COWBOY HAT AND BOOT WEARING, TRANS AM DRIVING,MEXICAN HATING republican from them thar red states.
I just can't imagine coming back so damn ign............

goin_south says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:05:

but, does your yankee hat look like this?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:10:

NICE!!!!!!
DUDE, WHERE DO I GET ONE???

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:16:

yes the good ol days before this affirmative action chit
we all knew our place

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:18:

.

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:27:

I can already hear you in your next life elmo: "parserito, no te hacer la loca, pasame el romcito pues".

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:29:

and modern colombia where people STILL know their place

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:32:

ROBI, PLEASE ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!
prefiero volver un marica jajajajaj

elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:35:

i better quit with this thread, i still carry bitter memories as a dirty poor injun child in colombia.

slguy says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:58:

"what ever happens PLEASE don't make me come back a NASCAR LOVING, BASS FISHING, BUDWISER DRINKING, MULLET AND COWBOY HAT AND BOOT WEARING, TRANS AM DRIVING,MEXICAN HATING republican from them thar red states."

Damn, elmo. You tryin' to tell me something?

jajajaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

nothatsure says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:30:

May be your Colombian costeño does not have good manners and family education, in other words is vulgar.

Actually'my Colombian" is anything but vulgar.He's polite and reserved and completley inoffensive.The only thing "wrong"" with him as far as I can make out is the colour of his skin oh,and maybe the fact that he isn't from a wealthy background.

Of course I'm not expecting him to be a charity case...don't be stupid doktordemente.I'm just upset that his fellow compatriots can't even say hi to him in passing if they see us in the supermarket rather than walking down the other isle and pretending they haven't seen us at all.Obviously not all people share the same interests and it doesn't follow that all people of the same country will be best buddies but common good manners surely? I don't want to be best mates with my compatriots either but I ackowledge them if I see them out,I accept invitations to things and return the compliment at a later date.We're all in this together when we work in countries other than our own so what's wrong with being nice to one another.The lack of good manners and education,as far as I'm concerned comes from people who think they're too good to offer common courtesy to someone who think is beneath them.

dwr says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:40:

Where is this mystic city you speak of where Colombians run into each other constantly?

dwr says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:40:

Where rude Colombians run into each other constantly I should say.

suizo says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:54:

I have been a couple of times to colombia...also together with my black friend. In my opinion, Colombia is not more racist than any other country. My friend was treated very well, everywhere...also in the expensive hotels. The people treated him like they treated me or my blond friend. You will always come across a few idiots who think they need to judge by skin color, the amount of money you have etc... who cares. I suppose, all on this board agree that this is b/s...

nothatsure says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:58:

It's in the Middle East.

Funnily enough the Arabs here treat him well,given that racism is abundant here too(yes...we all know racism isn't confined to Colombia) Maybe it's because many think he's one of them anyway..he doesn't look any different.

So of course I might just have got the wrong end of the stick here.Maybe these rude compatriots of his just suffer from terrible memories(poor things) and can't remember meeting my husband previously.They probably think he's Arab and so don't want to say hi in case he doesn't understand.

I'd love to believe that but,as I have posted earlier,I have seen enough of this racist s..t in Colombia to know this isn't so.

MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:20:

dwr says on Monday April 14th, 2008 13:07:

"Let me pose this question. I know that many people on this site are Colombians living outside of Colombia so I may get shit. But, is it possible that Colombians become "stuck up" when they live outside of Colombia? I haven't put much thought into it but it has crossed my mind on occasions. Colombians in Colombia might be a better people than those who have made the great escape. Bring on the criticism."

Nope....they are all ready stuck up living in colombia...I had women in Pereira push me out of the way for no reason, when I was just standing near vendors looking at things,
I had women say shit about my sister and I in Spanish as if we didn't speak any Spanish- that's when I would turn around and tell them off in Spanish!

I have noticed in Colombia how they are stuck on last names, where you live, and white skin.

BUT RACISM IS EVERYWHERE, and just because you are Colombian- doesn't mean you can only have Colombian friends...how many non-Colombians are on this site that are learning the language? Tell your husband to get friend's who want to practice Spanish and embrace his culture.

Also, F&$k them! Military saying; they don't finance you, feed you, nor F*%k you....the hell with them!"

GS...I am using that picture!

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

nothatsure says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:33:

Thanks MaFe for that..you're right...and he is doing that already.It's not actually him but me that gets upset about what I see as bad treatment.He just accepts it...and the fact that he accepts it upsets me even more.

morphus says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:34:

Yup...I agree with MaFe. Colombians are already stuck up in Colombia. The two main reasons why some Colombians are friendly with gringos are for money and for their amusement. Poor Colombians will want our money and rich Colombians will want us to amuse them and then laugh behind our backs. All the other other Colombians that are friendly with gringos are just whacked in the head.

suizo says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:01:

Again, you will have everywhere people who want to be with you because of your money or your status. However, I deeply believe that most of the colombian people are not this way... and I hope my future trips to colombia will not prove me wrong!

billyb says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:50:

Morphus, you amuse me ;))

MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 10:01:

morphus says on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 8:34:

Yup...I agree with MaFe. Colombians are already stuck up in Colombia. The two main reasons why some Colombians are friendly with gringos are for money and for their amusement. Poor Colombians will want our money and rich Colombians will want us to amuse them and then laugh behind our backs. All the other other Colombians that are friendly with gringos are just whacked in the head.

I didn't say these things, ...so JA JA JA u are funny.......

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

webmanco says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:36:

Many colombians, poor, rich and in between don´t care about foreigners. Life is good with or without money. As a matter of fact this pisses off a few foreigners.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:48:

What I see is that many Colombians who are "nothing" in Colombia suddenly come to Live abroad and they suddenly think their status in Colombian went 5 times higher, they go back to Colombia with this air of superiority .and speaking Spanglish........

Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:05:

I used to know this gringo who married a colombianita, she used to sell hotdogs on Avenida Sexta in Cali....a couple of years later a mutual friend met them at a party in the Yunaited Esteis, approached her thinking there's a Colombianita I can talk to and and asked her if she spoke Spanish...she said "Oh yes, a little bit".

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:11:

LOL Desideria, you should have said then do you s.p.e.a.k.........c.a.l.e.........ño

My sister and I met one guy here in the UK he said he was the son a consul....he use to go to the same English school school my sister went.

One day I went out with my sister in Bogotá around the zona rosa and guess what there he was! he was a doormat on one of the bars!!!
we didn't went and say hello we didn't want to embarrassed him

Mononoke28 says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:17:

I agree with kat1. My cousin's husband has a couple of cousins that went to New York to model and they would just fill their mouths with all these modeling stories. Then the Colombian Army sent him to take some courses in South Carolina and he got to take his family with him. He rented a car and surprised his cousins in Colombia only to find out they were waitresses in Queens. Boy were they shocked when they saw him since all the stories they told in Colombia were all BS.

Diana

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:24:

Mononoke I have seen more than one here, oh and they never come from estrato 2 or 3 they're all are estrato 4 and 5.and some speak too much BS that's why I try to avoid them here and in Colombia, they've been abroad for just one year and they think they know everything.. and they start splashing out money in Colombia just to impress.

the most i hate is when they start speaking Spanglish argggggggggggggggg

Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:24:

I have this Caleño friend who says he's a Calima Prince and fullblooded Indian to all the women here in Sweden.....call him and Indio in Cali and he'll strangle you:)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:38:

kat1 says on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 12:48:

What I see is that many Colombians who are "nothing" in Colombia suddenly come to Live abroad and they suddenly think their status in Colombian went 5 times higher, they go back to Colombia with this air of superiority .and speaking Spanglish........

I see this all the time! What ticks me off is when they barely speak English right and they are showing off!!

I remember the first time I went back to Colombia- I was 18 and traveling alone. When it was time to get my luggage, no one told me to get a maletero...que pasa? I was getting my luggage and by accident I hit a lady with my big hips...right away I said to her,
"disculpa senora, que pena fue sin querer."
Do you know what she answered me???

"Beeitchh!"
She couldn't even say bitch right, so I answered in English and said, "if you are going to try and insult me, learn english properly." She rolled her eyes, and had no idea what I said so I I said it in Spanish, y que no se olvide que al fin del dia somos colombianos antes que todo!

I have a friend who's mother lives en los Alamos en Pereira, she has the best of the best in Pereira- una de las damas de sociedad there...guess what she does for a few months every year in the states when everyone thinks she is visiting her successful son in NY? She cleans houses, but goes back to Pereira being la reina de Pereira!

No me gusta cuando la gente se tiran a mas, like Kat mentioned with what estrado they are from..so true! I have no shame in telling people that my mother's family is poor, pero pobres humildes, gente con respeto, dignida, valores, y bueno corazones...

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

Ryan619 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:28:

As long as racism is acknowledged it will remain. Just my opinion.

Dreaming of better days

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 15, 2008, 17:31:

You can't argue with the stats.

MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 17:37:

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

MaFe says on Apr 15, 2008, 17:37:

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

goin_south says on Apr 15, 2008, 17:55:

""GS...I am using that picture!""
I'm lost, MaFe; which picture?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

toneloc24 says on Apr 15, 2008, 18:24:

This muthafucker is quoting Pat Robertson????? LOL!!! I thought I'd seen it all.

PBSH lives!!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:25:

Humans Blow! Every country on this planet has bias, bigotry and predjudice and always has. Too many human beings murder, oppress, rape, pillar, abuse, pollute and overpopulate; are motivated by greed, jeasousy and dishonesty. Its not an aberration limited to one country, ethnic group, sex, religion or age group.

There is a small percentage, less than 20%, of homo sapiens on this planet who are genuine, honest, special spirits. The reason a geniune, sweet, loving person without predjudice (like Kat1 for example) stands out so much is because on average...humans blow!

If it were not for our art, music and ability to love, we would be the shit stain of the universe.

peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:43:

And near the worst are those who want to point the finger, place blame on a narrow segment of other humans using anecdotes, statistics or conjecture; instead of recognizing the universal truth of the overall moral and ethical weaknesses of mankind.

Those who choose to cast suspicion, instead of working to uplift the stature of their fellow man/woman. They always perceive and position themselves as the 'good guys', the 'plain dealers' and 'those others' are always the problem. "Oh, if we could just have a world without those (substitute any race, religion or culture here you see fit), we'd be alright."

It never, ever changes. Humans blow!

toneloc24 says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:44:

Okay, I spelled his name wrong. Buchanan. And by the way, YOU spelled it wrong too.

Point is, you quote HIM to make a point? Has anyone ever, ever, ever applied the term "great speech" in the same conversation as Richard Nixon??? No. You moronically believe Buchanan's somehow "special" because of this.

Keep trying.

at Notthatsure - your husband has his issues with his countrymen. Unfortunately, WE still have these kinds of closeted idiots amongst us. Sometimes it's better when people DON'T speak to you. The grass isn't always greener. Racism is still very alive and well. Only difference between now and then, is that now we fight back. And folks like Mark Anthony are bitter about it. Tough shit, loser.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

toneloc24 says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:00:

Now since folks like Mark Anthony are determined to tear down Rev. Wright, I think they need to consider what he has already done for the USA. You quote Pat Buchanan? I present a brief bio of Rev. Wright. I'd put this background up against Dubya, Cheney, Buchanan, Hannity, O'Reilly, Hume, whoever. I think he's EARNED the right to freedom of speech. Affirmative action my ass.

"From 1959 to 1961, Wright attended Virginia Union University, in Richmond. Inspired by President John F. Kennedy's 1961 challenge to "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," Wright gave up his student deferment, left college and joined the United States Marine Corps and became part of the 2nd Marine Division with the rank of private first class.

In 1963, after two years of service, Wright then transferred to the United States Navy and entered the Corpsman School at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, where he graduated as valedictorian. Having excelled in corpsman school, Wright was then trained as a cardiopulmonary technician at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland where he graduated as salutatorian.

Wright was assigned as part of the medical team charged with care of President Lyndon B. Johnson (see photo of Wright caring for Johnson after his 1966 surgery). Before leaving the position in 1967, the White House awarded Wright three letters of commendation.

In 1967 Wright enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., where he earned a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master’s degree in English in 1969. He also earned a master's degree from the University of Chicago Divinity School. Wright holds a Doctor of Ministry degree (1990) from the United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio, where he studied under Samuel DeWitt Proctor."

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:12:

eye roll.................. MA....why do you think i'm buying homes and moving to Colombia part time??

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:39:

Markanthony, are you racist?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

lpdiver says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:49:

Everyone is racist to some portion.

t

"cook some rice!"

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:50:

True lp,
in which percentage are you racist Markanthony?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:52:

Ok, do you wear a white hat and go around with a burning cross?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:54:

You mean like this guy robi?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q0eKW2C7aY

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:59:

LOL... unbelievable...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:25:

Hey... I was just asking... it is just that you talk like a proud white man. What's again the point about leftist?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

poco says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:26:

Quote: Where do you live? If there is one thing that does bother me living in Colombia, it's the white supremacist attitude. It seems your wealth and social position correlates almost exactly to your skin shade.
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You could be on to something,, the chinese are yellow skinned,, the color of gold?

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

Lisa Zee says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:33:

"One day I went out with my sister in Bogotá around the zona rosa and guess what there he was! he was a doormat on one of the bars!!!"

A doormat!!!???? Kat1??? jajajajajaja, do you mean a doorman!???? jajajaja, maybe they call them doormats in England LOL

robi666 says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:44:

ok

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:46:

Robi.............why are you so racist...?


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

manINred says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:08:

"75 percent of the worlds natural resources but they can't feed themselves or figure out running water."

Where on earth did you get that statistic?

What have you figured out for yourself? You were born into a developed world, and that's nothing to be proud of. I agree with Robbi, you sound like a bigot.

manINred says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:08:

"75 percent of the worlds natural resources but they can't feed themselves or figure out running water."

Where on earth did you get that statistic?

What have you figured out for yourself? You were born into a developed world, and that's nothing to be proud of. I agree with Robbi, you sound like a bigot.

RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:11:

WHAT....???

Robi is a bigot...??


I knew it.


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Rubito says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:43:

How about this? ONLY in parts of sub-Saharan Africa have human beings been farming the land for a good ten thousand years WITHOUT managing to deplete the soil! Everywhere else we farm in a non-sustainable manner and eventually wind up with famine. Most of the Middle East and the Horn of Africa was lush and green in ancient times, and now it's DESERT!

And i ASSURE you if the New York Pig Department and other occupying armies of legalized street gangs in this country enforced the laws equally there'd barely be a black person in jail at all, or more than half the country would be incarcerated!

What's the point in looking at human beings in racial terms anyways? We are INDIVIDUALS, answerable to each other and to the law as such. Hell, most of us have no fucking clue what really is in there in our DNA anyways.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

goin_south says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:47:

Anyone know why Gomezman5 left the scene???

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Lcacique says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:50:

Markanthony: You'd fit right in down in S. Africa just a few decades ago...sad things had to change. Hey everybody, let's give Mark a hand, he likes asians (How about North Korea, do you love everything about their culture?). Maybe Mark here is actually demonstrating that ignorant/hateful people are becoming slightly more in touch with reality. I mean 50 years ago Mark would have never used the term asian, but I am sure we can think of a few words that would have been flying off his tongue. Granted it has taken years and years for such a miniscule transformation, but maybe it is something. Or does he simply like Sony TVs and sweet and sour pork?

I really enjoy how you are calling on people to open their minds and listen to you...you are one funny guy. I sincerely pray that you change your mind about Colombia.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

goin_south says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:53:

Lcacique... back to work on that 'soon-to-be' 800 post thread.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Apr 15, 2008, 22:54:

god, I don't know how you did that!

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Lcacique says on Apr 15, 2008, 23:09:

By Race
An analysis of available race data for the 6,804 known hate crime offenders revealed that:

60.5 percent were white.
19.9 percent were black.
12.3 percent were unknown.
5.2 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.1 percent of known offenders were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
0.9 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/offenders.htm

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

Lcacique says on Apr 16, 2008, 10:54:

Markanthony says on South America turning socialist: "...Leftist are my enemy. Everyone understand that. Socialist are my enemy. As they are my enemy, I am uninterested in being civil with them or debating them. I pray for their end in total...I know Cereal and SIV are my enemy and I don't wish to know more. My only goal is to beat them, any and every way. Weakness needs to be erased or we will be erased by nature.

I will be in Barranquilla Colombia June and July if either of you Pontificating sissies are there."

Let me just say that threatening a female or anyone because they have different beliefs about the role of the government than you is a sign of complete immaturity.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

slguy says on Apr 16, 2008, 11:15:

I can't believe some of the crap in this thread. I had almost forgotten that bigots like MA still existed.

Thanks for the reminder....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

toneloc24 says on Apr 16, 2008, 11:28:

Slguy - Here's the rub. These types of dudes aren't moving to Germany or Iceland. They're coming to Colombia with that crap. Talk about hypocrites. The USA still exports all kinds of shit. LOL!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

rhydewithdis says on Apr 16, 2008, 13:13:

I've already said this SEVERAL times, but it is VERY apparent that MarkAnthony is a bigot, and now I am also beginning to suspect that he is a condescending, ignorant racist.

Just read his comments on how he rails against the the fact that a hip-hop artist acknowledged the beauty of Medellin
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/kanye-west-digs-medellin/
at his thoughts on Hip-Hop music "I guess I can take a stick and beat it on a garbage can and you can call it art if you want."
at anyone that listens to Hip-Hop: "And anyone that would listen to that trash is way beyond ignorant. Actually uncivilized is a better discription"
at how he thinks that hip-hop is the cause of this country's collapse "And 99 percent of the noise is just flat out ignorant. However, not when yo don't kow any better and were brought up with it. It is all you know whioch is sad and which is why the country is collapsing."

and on and on...

I'm very close to putting him on ignore, but not until I've exposed his disgusting perspectives for all to see.

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

Rubito says on Apr 16, 2008, 13:45:

Don't feed the troll people. That's all he is.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

robi666 says on Apr 16, 2008, 16:11:

He's not a troll, that's the sad part. I was trying to make him talk... and he did not realize how ridiculous he sounded.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

el torcido says on Apr 16, 2008, 16:35:

Am I to assume, from the titel of this post, that Colombians come in colors?

don't know much about 'conomy

Rubito says on Apr 16, 2008, 20:54:

Yes. Yellow, red and blue :)

---Violence is the price of freedom.---