When I die.

MaFe says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:22:

You can have it in your will, written that your desire is to be buried in Colombia.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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morphus says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:26:

When you are dead, you are not going to care what happens anyway. One of the benefits of being dead.

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:29:

The Embassy unless contacted wont take your body. I know of at least 4 gringos burried
here in Colombia , and one Gringo who only has a poppers grave( bolsa de huesos ) which is
a just a 2' x 2' hole in a cement wall in the cemetery.

The US Embassy wont ship your body without payment any ways.

Death of U.S. Citizens Abroad
Feedback | Contact Us. International Travel Home. Passports Home. Visas Home ... family members to inform the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate of the death. ...
travel.state.gov/travel/deathreport.html

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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nine inch nails says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:33:

Hang my ass out in the open and let the vultures pick me away like Zoroaster. No 6' under for me please. Or cremate me and spread my ashes into el mar!

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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robi666 says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:44:

Cuando me muera levanten
una cruz de marihuana,
con diez botellas de vino
y cien barajas clavadas,
al fin qué fue mi destino
Andar en las sendas malas.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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jonas says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:57:

mala hierba no muere!

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

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nine inch nails says on Mar 27, 2008, 12:28:

En duermo eterno con nuestro padre.

Nice vid. R666.

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 27, 2008, 12:56:

well my mum said if i die in the UK providing she is still alive she wants me buried in Colombia, my KIDS says is better in the uk my mum's said i will paid for the cost for her to be "shipped" huh! here..


I said I don't care I will be dead you all have this argument when I am gone so i don't hear it :)))
but if they keep arguing i will be back to haunt everybody..:)))))

engage brain before opening mouth

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RAAAY says on Mar 27, 2008, 12:59:

Kat.............you can creep quietly into my room anytime, in the dark of night and say....boooooooooo.

You know...........just in case you want some practice.

.


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 27, 2008, 13:04:

ok *wisper*

engage brain before opening mouth

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tomtom33 says on Mar 27, 2008, 13:09:

I don't know about Colombian law, but in the US you cannot legally specify what is to happen with your remains. You could put it in your will, but your estate(heirs) are not legally bound by any such instructions. Your heirs must live with the way in which your remains are handled. You are dead.

I'll give one example. Suppose a person desires cremation. Further suppose that your child has nightmares about cremation. Your child must live with what happens, not you. Under no circumstances in the US would your child be required to cremate your remains.

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robi666 says on Mar 27, 2008, 15:08:

Kat = la Llorona? brrrr....

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 27, 2008, 15:13:

well you were the one who made me cry so don't complain....

engage brain before opening mouth

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MaFe says on Mar 27, 2008, 16:07:

tomtom33 says on Thursday March 27th, 2008 13:09:

I don't know about Colombian law, but in the US you cannot legally specify what is to happen with your remains. You could put it in your will, but your estate(heirs) are not legally bound by any such instructions. Your heirs must live with the way in which your remains are handled. You are dead.

I'll give one example. Suppose a person desires cremation. Further suppose that your child has nightmares about cremation. Your child must live with what happens, not you. Under no circumstances in the US would your child be required to cremate your remains.

This is incorrect.
They have to honor what is written in your will.
I know because my uncle just passed away, and all of my uncles/aunts, and his children were fighting with his wife about his burial, and when he was in the hospital...

You know who had the last word?He did because of his will!

Also, laws vary in the states..

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 16:11:

The greatest baseball player and a great war hero , the late Ted Willaims is a good example.
They frooze his head in a family dispute over his burial.

(Articule about his body and his will not honored )( Source wikipedia Ted Williams )

A public dispute over the disposition of Williams's body was waged after his death. Announcing there would be no funeral,[12] his son John-Henry Williams had Ted's body flown to the Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Arizona, where the head was separated from the body and both placed individually into cryonic suspension.[13] Barbara Joyce Ferrell, Ted's daughter by his first wife, sued,[14] saying his will stated that he wanted to be cremated.[15] John-Henry's lawyer then produced an informal "family pact" signed by Ted, John-Henry, and Ted's daughter Claudia, in which they agreed "to be put into biostasis after we die."[16] Ferrell's attorney, and former attorney of Ted Williams, Richard S. "Spike" Fitzpatrick, contended that the "family pact", which was scribbled on a oil-stained napkin, was forged by John-Henry and/or Claudia.[2] Fitzpatrick and Ferrell believed that John-Henry had his father "practice" his signature on the napkin, and that the alleged "family pact" was added later without Ted's knowledge.[3] Reportedly, cryonics arrangements were hastily made post mortem by John-Henry and Claudia per their family pact. Though this action upset many family members, friends, and fans, it seems to have been the children's right under the law.[17]

(A person wishes in their will not honored, if their childen choose different )

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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MaFe says on Mar 27, 2008, 16:15:

Lowell,
http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/death/death_600.html

http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/emergencies/emergencies_1191.html

"

One of the most essential tasks of the Department of State and of U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to families of U.S. citizens who die abroad. The U.S. consular officer in the foreign country will assist the family in making arrangements with local authorities for preparation and disposition of the remains, following the family''s instructions in accordance with local law. The authority and responsibilities of a U.S. consular officer concerning return of remains of a deceased U.S. citizen abroad are based on U.S. laws (22 U.S.C. 4196; 22 CFR 72.1), treaties and international practice. Options available to a family depend upon local law and practice in the foreign country. Certain documents are required by U.S. and foreign law before remains can be sent from one country to another. These requirements may vary depending on the circumstances of the death."

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 16:17:

Lowell: When and if you die, just dont tell anybody.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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tomtom33 says on Mar 27, 2008, 16:17:

They do not have to honor what is in your will in Wis. With the reasoning I mentioned, I just assumed that would be the case in all States. It certainly should be.

And, the fact that a will instruction was, in fact, carried out does not mean that the instruction was legally incontrovertible.

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 27, 2008, 20:39:

Wow, we just figured out a way to get past the hired guards at the US embassy. Go in as a corpse.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 27, 2008, 20:54:

"Cuando me muera...... no quiero que lloren, quiero que canten en ves de llorar"

If I die in the USA, (I hope not) they can cremate me, and send the ashes to Colombia, Cheaper but ma-cab!, although, I am the youngest of 7, I don`t think anyone left would give a who. I guess it would be up to my son. Gee I never really thought of this. Huuuuummmm.

ROBERT J, LOL!

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poco says on Mar 27, 2008, 21:01:

Humm,, do you want your body buried in a grave, dug up, bones broken up and placed in a hole in the wall of a cemetery in a year or so?

Do you want to stay in the ground,, forever? Well,, where I live, you get the grave for about a year or two and need to rent the space if you stay (in the grave) longer.

Also, the average time between death and in he hole is two days. No refrigeration,, I'd tell you what they do with organs,, but you probably don't want to know.

You die, you stay in Colombia unless someone wants to come get you,, like said,, who cares?

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 21:18:

In many towns in Colombia they do the ( bolsas de huesos ) thing. In Aguachica at the Catholic cemetery I have seen several coffins laying in piles after being dug up.( then put them in a cement wall .

Next time anyone is in Aguachica ( Cesar Colombia) area visit the Catholic cemetary, it is at the far end of down
on the main road just past the soccer fields.

There you will see toward the back right hand part many Coffins all sizes laying to right with clothes and other things in them.

In Colombia cremation is wrong, but it is not wrong to dig a poor person up and toss away their coffin, be they old our just a baby.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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poco says on Mar 27, 2008, 21:24:

Quote: In Colombia cremation is wrong,

Must not be that wrong, they opened a local crematorium this year. Need to check,, maybe they are using an old gas fired panaderia oven.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 21:29:

I meant wrong by Catholic customs ( I have nothing against Catholics as I myself Love the Lord ). I just do not agree with the bag of bones thing, and throwing away the coffin.

I think they should when they dig up the poor, take the coffin and burn it.

It seems many Catholics in other places do cremation.
www.icctampa.org/FuneralRites.htm

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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poco says on Mar 27, 2008, 21:46:

Quote: I think they should when they dig up the poor, take the coffin and burn it.

I'm not sure what they do with the coffin,, never asked. Where I live I’d assume they burn it. I’ll ask because I know an individual employed doing this work.

You don't need to be poor to be dug up,, frankly, where I live, everyone is dug up (if they were buried), unless they have made arrangement to pay for additional time.

Some more information,, this is my second favorite post and explains the,, custom?

Read this post, THE STENCH OF CORPSES was one of the things he didn't like. Read on to see the answer, plus the clueless question that prompted the answer.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/colombia-en-mi-corazon/

I don't think any of these knowledgeable people have stayed around.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 27, 2008, 22:00:

Poco: Thanx that is a great post , with lots of comments about many things Colombia.

eg: Cockney Colombian says on Saturday February 26th, 2005 3:12:

Re: Stench of Corpses In the village I lived in the Cemetary was on a hill. Average daily temperature 32o C and you'd know which days they were breaking open the graves to remove the bones (I never understood this? Is it entirely Colombian, I've never heard of it occuring elsewhere)

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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goin_south says on Mar 27, 2008, 22:44:

Lowell... after you're dead,,... do U really give a f*ck?
just wondering.
not much, but...

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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pedro says on Mar 27, 2008, 22:46:

Company offers moon as final resting place

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2736137020080327

que nota!

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lpdiver says on Mar 27, 2008, 22:58:

About all you can do is make your wishes known. Have you made your wishes known along the lines of a living will. It was so nice for me in my case that my father had. Yes I could have done as I wanted; but, in the end ...knowing what Pop wanted made it soooo much easier.


t

"cook some rice!"

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tomtom33 says on Mar 28, 2008, 04:10:

It is very common in Sweden to re-use graves. When my grandfather went back to Sweden, he tried to find his mother's grave. He was told that the grave had been opened for a new burial and that his mother's grave marker had been buried below the new burial.

It is common in parts of Europe to dig up the remains after a year or 2 and cremate them or bury them in a common area. Mausoleum spaces are also re-used.

In the US, you normally get the grave site for eternity. Of course the remains can be moved under a sort of eminent domain. This is not usual because of the expense involved.

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vicshere says on Mar 28, 2008, 05:02:

:I think lowell is worried about his wife picking any sellable meat off his poor dead body ::))))

listo

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docwilliam says on Mar 28, 2008, 05:19:

Hi Lowell, hope you find the answer you are looking for.

I have a nice spot reserved in Western Kentucky, so that is where i am going.

"There's no time to panic"

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Lowell says on Mar 28, 2008, 07:18:

Thanks for the info. Just want less BS for my Colombian family.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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