What's In The Water?

jonny305 says on Aug 28, 2009, 10:15:

....!! I think......

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 10:38:

Perhaps because the new glittering money laundering MALLS has sparked a twinkle in their eyes and pockets to spent all that CALETA money.

Perhaps because La via to the Finca has been cleared for those fortunate strato six city dwellers where now they can comsumed all the merchandise they bought at the glittering money laundering MALLS in the safety of their fincas.

Perhaps because its easier now to drive the SUV that you bought with the money your cousins uncles brother lend in return of a little favor.

Perhaps because is easier to live in one minute of fantasy to a whole life of reality facing the facts that you have fed the beast.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 10:39:

Colombia has been a difficult country to love for over two decades now with the cartels and Pablo Escobar poisoning the very core of the society...and now all the statistics point towards great improvements ...and yet there are things happening in Colombia that are extremely alarming, like the recent massacre of Indigenous civlians, including children and even a small baby, the insecurity is getting worse again in Medellin and not any better in Cali...but there are marvellous PR campaigns about Colombia being passion and encouraging travel reports about the marvels of Colombia and how safe it is...yet there's the Dutchman and this Frenchman that got murdered lately and this gringo that disappeared but was rescued by the heroic effort of total strangers from an internet discussion forum...

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 10:39:

ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 10:46:

Azu, we dont want to know whats in the water, dont care, lets just drop the big "A" blame it on Dr. Strangelove and Midnight Oil for making those movies and songs.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:00:

Ferran, I can understand that but what I don't get is WHY even the folks from stratum 3 who live from hand to mouth and three months in arrears with their children's tuition in private schools, no minutes on their cels and the only place they can afford to go on Sundays is to take a bus to Rio Pance think it's such a great achievement from Dotor Alvarito that his strata 7 cronies can safely drive their SUVs to their fincas safely and without a military escort.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:09:

Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:16:

Yes, I can easily admit to that: the roads in and out of Bogotá and perhaps between some towns on the north coast are safer, but the Buenaventura-Cali road, vital for the economy of the country as B/ventura continues being the most important port of exportation in Colombia is just as dangerous as ever. I guess no friends of Tio Alvaro have fincas on the Pacific seacoast.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:19:

Desi, its like seeing a bird fly in the sunny blue sky and imagining that one day you also can fly like that bird, trouble free, this is the false image that the Uribe regime has sold to the people of lower stratos, all built on deceit and lies, like a sand castle or a house of cards its beginning to tumble down, the cancer can't be contained anymore, a government that has tooted its horn by using military power, just like a junkie needs a bigger dose to get the same high, a bigger war is needed to justify its existance. Sad but true.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:21:

What I find amusing are the Colombian Ex-Pats living elsewhere beating the Colombian Patriotic Drum. This month the Boogeyman is Chavez, next month who knows what the Devil of the month will be. Why not return to Colombia, sign up in the Colombian Armed Forces and do your duty cleaning up the Country you profess so much love for. Make it close up and personal,,,Why do it from the safety of another country? That's what the Miami Exile Cubans do here, Bla Bla Bla Fidel & Chavez from Domino park in Little Habana. My question to them(and they don't like to answer that one) "Why not return to Cuba and take the fight to Castro in Person"? Same goes for the numerous Venezuelan Expats living in Miami, they hold all these Protests by the Venezuelan Embassy here, why not hop on a Plane to Caracas and take the protest to Chavez's Office at Miraflores, up close and personal as they say,,,


In 1755 (Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, Tue, Nov 11, 1755), Franklin wrote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote04.htm

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:36:

Ok, perhaps one of the mysterious ingredients in the water would be illusion then.
Hope and illusion are powerful drugs. But certainly there are cities and places where this positive development has become reality, like Kat says.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:39:

Miamimike, exactly on the money, no different than the Miami Cuban fanatics, I called them "the air condition Colombians" they don't want to live and fight in Colombia because they cant take the heat, they are bafooms that have finger tip diahrrea.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:42:

you'll always find nice roads to nice fincas. it's part of the you pat my back, and i'll pat your's rule.

patriarch

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:42:

Well the Protests(cuba, colombia, venezuela) in Miami have NOT resulted in Reality by any stretch and they(cuba protests) have been going on for 40 years. Actually, the Castro Protests have become the Butt of Jokes and the protesters mostly are preceived as half-baked crackpots not to be taken seriously

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:51:

"What I find amusing are the Colombian Ex-Pats living elsewhere beating the Colombian Patriotic Drum."


I see, so now only people who live in their countries of origin are allowed to feel patriotic towards their countries. So I guess the one million (US)Americans who live in Mexico should never celebrate Thanksgiving or the Fourth of July anymore. I guess the twenty millions Mexicans who live in the US should never celebrate Cinco de Mayo anymore. And let's screw those micks and cancel St. Patricks Day altogether also! Or how about the growing US community in Colombia, I guess poor Brian Andrews should not have the right to root for Team USA anymore either!

And why should people who are of these countries decent have on obligation to sign up for these nation's armed forces if they were not born there or have never even lived there? The things you learn on PBH!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 11:53:

Desi, an ilusion can become very real and can be sustained by the power of the magician, but enventualy it will loose its captive audience and reality will set in.

There has been some achievments gain in Colombia, but this is due to the peoples work, not the government, the peoples constant struggle for a better life, for a better future for their children and their country, presidents come and go but the people keep on working for a better life for their children. Its the human spirit to pervail and to conquer what's rightfully theirs.

NO GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU FREEDOM AND LIBERTY....WE....THE PEOPLE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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quantum says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:10:

Wheres Uribes principle cheering gallery? I would have expected Simon and Makopp and BillyB and a few others to have chimed inon this one by now. Are most of u seriously beginning to be suspect of all the improvements and advancements in security and economy made under the Uribe administration?

quantum

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:13:

You called, Quantum? I'm here enjoying watching Uribe at the UNASUR summit putting our devious neighbors in their place!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:14:

Ferran--Just like Ben Franklin says "In 1755 (Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, Tue, Nov 11, 1755), Franklin wrote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


Simon---Why not take a trip to La Patria, secure your citizenship and join up. As I said before, we here at PBH would be very proud of you outfitted in Colombian Jungle Fatigues taking on the Enemy. Give it a try, enlisting in the Colombian Armed forces. If you are too old for combat, perhaps they have less stressful MO's like Radio Operator, Translator ect. Let us know how it works out.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:17:

MiamiMike, I don't have to go anywhere! I'm fighting for Colombia from this side, I'm part of the Colombian diapora and this is my place.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Haddeman says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:28:

Colombians are generally a positive,can do people who aspire to improving life for themselves and their families.They are smart enough to see the rich going to their fincas and say,"Hey,why can't I have that too" instead of displaying petty jealosy.
The great magic trick would be give them that opportunity,education,basic health to allow that to happen.That is the real challenge and real opportunity for this country,inclusive social policies,not fuck the rich so they all disappear with their money and entrepreneurial skills to Miami.
I remember growing up in post war England as the second son of a dirt poor campasino.I was given an opportunity to educate myself as were millions of other kids in near poverty and the result is many of those did well making us more of a meritocracy than it had ever been.But screwing the rich and middle classes is like killing the chicken that laid the golden egg,self defeating in the end.

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capt_j says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:33:

Desi,

I would argue with you but I would rather examine your premise. You make the assumption that anyone who holds a different point of view from you is metaphorically under the influence of some drug, and so their point of view is not valid and does not need to be acknowledged or respected. If viewpoints other than your own are simply wrong, it's a very short step to just imposing your point of view by force.

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:35:

Having an opinion on politics does not constitute "fighting for Colombia."

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 12:57:

Oh, I hold my dear co-mod Kat's first-hand experience on Colombian reality in a very high esteem, I KNOW this lady and I know that she has a good head on her shoulders. I hve much respect on many other's opinions too in spite of the fact that they are totally different from mine.

This post is speculative.
The premise is given in another thread here. Are Colombians living in a dream? Are the high popularity rates that Mr. Uribe has a result of skillful manipulation of facts and has the Colombian people been deluded?

Differing opinions are more than welcome.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 13:17:

I wonder if it's also a "skillful manipulation of facts" that more narcotraffickers have been extradited to the US than under all of Uribe's predecessors combined, that kidnapping has decreased by 85% and homicides by 40% (from 35,000 murders a year before 2002 to 17,000 in 2008). If this is all a dream, then I don't want to wake up!

I'll also add in these pearls from Brians858's topic:

Unemployment is down 4.2% to 12.5%

Population percentage under the poverty line down 13 points (from 57% to 44%) — that is, about an eighth of the entire nation’s population has moved out of poverty and into the lower middle class

Income distribution on the GINI scale (1 is worst, 0 is best) improved from .58 to .54

The homicide rate in Medellin (29.1), Cartagena (21.8), and Bogota (18.2) are all better than Washington, D.C. (34), Rio de Janeiro (48.3), and San Paolo (55). Mexico is 20.4. Panama is 24.

Kidnappings have fallen a whopping 85% and the homicide rate has fallen 50%

214% increase in exports, 397% in foreign direct investment, and a lagging 120% increase in tourism

Colombia had the best performance in Latin America in the horrible first quarter of 2009, besting the others with tourism increases, and the smallest shrinkage in foreign direct investment and exports.

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SUCK ON THAT.... ANTI-COLOMBIAN, LEFTIST, TERRORIST-SUPPORTING MOFOS!!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 13:29:

What is wrong with being a leftist? Are only rightists the ones allowed to have an opinion?

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 13:34:

There's nothing wrong with being a leftist, but there is something very wrong with being a leftist who lends thinly-veiled support to ruthless narcoterrorists.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 13:45:

Simon, that is a very serious accusation; the kind that can get you killed in Colombia. Please specify who did you have in mind?

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 13:46:

Who the hell supports "narcoterrorists"??

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:02:

When I first came on this forum and started to read some of the members post, Simon seemed like a person that had valid sense of what he was writing, the more I learned about this member the less credibility I saw in him, he appears to be this angry crocodile that has his jaws open snapping at anything that comes near it, even if it can be harmful to himself or others, he has taken on an auto self defensive mechanistic behaviour which takes away from his inteligent ability to be expresive.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:06:

"Wheres Uribes principle cheering gallery? I would have expected Simon and Makopp and BillyB "

How can one reply to such a moronic statement, like the following one by desi, seriously Quantum?

"people finally got tired of it and decided to accept a dictatorship"

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:10:

Billy, Uribe's authoritarian side is becoming more and more prominent all the time. The little dude is showing his true colors simply by intending to fiddle with the Constitution again to meet his ambition to continue in power. From a life-long tenure to a dictatorship it's not a big step at all.

But as I said before, this post is simply speculative.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:12:

Do you think Colombia is a dictartorship? Or did you just say that for effect?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:14:

"Simon seemed like a person that had valid sense of what he was writing, the more I learned about this member the less credibility I saw in him,"

This coming from someone who considers Pablo Escobar as one of 'Colombia's seven wonders'! And he has the nerve to say that I don't have credibility! How do these people even find this board? Pobre Colombia!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:17:

"Simon, that is a very serious accusation; the kind that can get you killed in Colombia. Please specify who did you have in mind?"

What for? You wouldn't do anything about it if I did tell you, so it would be a waste of time.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:18:

Wheres Uribes principle cheering gallery? I would have expected Simon and Makopp and BillyB "

Yeap....they are arriving, one by one. They are so predictable these Uribettes Cheer Leaders, come on girls, lets hear the best Uribe cheer slogans...... and jump high enough so we can see your panties all bunch up.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:19:

"What is wrong with being a leftist?"

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:23:

"Yeap....they are arriving, one by one. They are so predictable these Uribettes Cheer Leaders"

But nowhere near as predictable as the FARC/Chavez supporters.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:24:

Colombians are heading in the direction of dictatorship. Nothing moronic in that statement.

It doesn't matter how much you like a leader. No one deserves to rule indefinitely over a republic. We've known this since the time of Caesar, the first dictator for life in Rome.

There is also the endemic corruption and human rights abuses of his regime. It's not kosher.

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Term Limits Are Debated in Colombia
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: August 25, 2009

BOGOTÁ, Colombia — Legislators debated sharply on Tuesday about a referendum that would change the Constitution to allow President Álvaro Uribe to run for a third term.

The proposal is part of a trend among Latin American leaders who have sought to use referendums to undercut constitutional term limits and prolong their time in power.

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U.N. agency to investigate Indian massacre in Colombia
August 27, 2009 -- Updated 1550 GMT (2350 HKT)

BOGOTA, Colombia (CNN) -- A United Nations human rights agency has agreed to help Colombia investigate the massacre of 12 Indians in the southwestern part of the country.

Twelve Awa Indians, including five children and a newborn, were found dead Wednesday about 50 miles from the city of Tumaco, in the state of Narino, near Colombia's border with Ecuador, President Alvaro Uribe said in a statement.

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Court continues investigation against 86 Congressmen: W Radio

Colombia's Supreme Court will continue the investigation against 86 Representatives for their allegedly illegal approval of the referendum needed to re-elect President Alvaro Uribe, W Radio reported Thursday...There is controversy about the referendum, because Congress approved the referendum without waiting for the Registry to certify a previously held referendum. This referendum, crucial in the process leading to a change in the constitution that would allow Uribe a third term, broke regulations by allowing companies to donate sums of money above the legal limit.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:28:

Billy: no, I don't think Colombia is a dictatorship. Not yet, anyway, but it's sliding into that pit with the help of Uribe's populistic approach to democracy. I know that there has always been people in Colombia, not very many, but some anyway who have thought that there'll be only one way to solve Colombia's problems and that would be either the military junta governing the country or a dictatorship of a strongman. I heard those opinion decades ago but in the recent years those voices have gotten much stronger and appararently found their leader in the strong, authoritarian, populistic personality of Alvaro Uribe.

Simon, I don't know what I would do with that information providing that you could not back it up anyway, except with more extreme right-wing rethoric, that offers no proof to whether these people have or not supported terrorists. I have read thousands of comments here written by people with pronounced left-wing political views and I have not seen a SHRED OF EVIDENCE that any one of them is a FARC supporter.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:28:

I see that the little queen from Spain has started inhaling early today???

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:31:

"Billy: no, I don't think Colombia is a dictatorship."

Why then, would you say that Colombians have decide to accept one? Probably just to get a reaction, right Desi? Just out curiosity, do also you think Venezuela and Ecuador are dictatorships?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:34:

What I'm saying, Billy, is that Colombians are much more inclined to accept a dictatorship today than twenty years ago. for example.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:36:

Ok, but can you answer the other question as well? I'm interested to see where you think those 2 are headed, or more accurately, one of them already is.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:37:

Hey Desi, answer me this with no waffling:

Who has done more harm to Colombia...the FARC or Uribe?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:38:

I am betting on a waffling answer to that one Simon.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:40:

Now we are beginning to see whats in the water, I can clearly identified one PARAsite, its tiny with eye glasses and no spine, it belongs to the Uribenastosis bacteria, very nasty little germ, can spread undetected very rapidly, it can be exterminated very quickly once is out of the system.

I can also see in the water not one but more angry crocodiles snapping and swalloing all the donkey shit thrown at them.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:42:

Billy, no, I don't think Venezuela or Ecuador are dictatorships. Chavez does have the same authoritarian and populistic tendencies as Uribe does, though and both of them share the same reluctance to step down when they have served their terms.
Correa has not shown any such tendencies, not yet anyway.

Simon, the FARC, of course. The've had 40 years to accomplish that. I may wonder though what would be left of Colombia if Uribe had those 40 years too...

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:46:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:06 (today): flag

"Wheres Uribes principle cheering gallery? I would have expected Simon and Makopp and BillyB
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Billy---I'm surprised, aren't you one of those who my Buddy Gomezman referred to as "One of the Go-Go Colombia Cheerleaders" ? lol I think Gomezman had your number. lol

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:49:

"Billy, no, I don't think Venezuela or Ecuador are dictatorships."

Let's see, Chavez is closing all opposition television and radio stations, he's muffling the print press, is forcing the military to take loyalty oaths to his party as opposed to La Patria (akin to what Hitler had done), just passed a law to indoctrinate children in school with socialist philosophy, fired all the employees at PVDSA that were not loyal to him personnaly, Is decommisioning officers that do not support his philosify, wants to be president for life, took away constitutional powers from local and regional elected officials from opposition patries... I could keep going desi, if you hae another 3 hours......and yet, you don't think iVenezuela is a dictatoship, but Colombia is? Unbelievable. The real title should be, "What's in the water in Sweden".

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:52:

Brians I think you're gonna have to closed this thread. The Uribettes are getting hysterical, their panties are ready to burst at the seams, this girls are so dedicated to the cause,

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:52:

She didn't say either of them are dictatorships. Rather they're heading that way.

And at least the water in Sweden is potable and freely available to all. Evil socialist-terrorists that they are.

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 14:59:

People give Chavez WAY too much attention and he thrives on it. My only concern here in the USA is that he keeps the Oil Spigot cranked wide open,,,Keep that Oil coming and the Chavez owned US Oil Refineries(gulf coast) open and we'll be happy in the USA. All about Oil. And always will be. I cite the Mideast as an example. IS Chavez any worse then the Saudi Despots with whom we maintain a formal relationship? Steal a loaf of bread and your hand is cut off in the Public Square at High Noon. The Sauds don't even allow Women to drive/vote, they(women) have to wear a scarf on their head out in public ect. Yet where is the criticism of these Mid East Fanatics? And what country did most of the 9/11 Terrorists come from? And who was the only group of people allowed to leave the US and fly home the day after 9/11? None other then our good friends(bin laden family) in saudi arabia yet I rarely hear of any criticism here about this group...

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:08:

Chávez and Uribe use each other to frighten their people in order to stay in power. They should be best friends.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:21:

miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:31:

Kat says "Another thing, we don't have to sign up for the armed forces to make us heard we have a very powerful tool and is the VOTE!"

***Well not even the ones living in Colombia will sign up for the armed forces " RICH OR POOR"*******


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Kat--that's the difference between the USA and Colombia. Here we not only exercise the right to Vote BUT we also can and do join the Military to support and defend our Right to Vote. Both Parties, Dems and Republicans, blacks and whites, Notherners and Southerners share this duty. That's why the USA is referred to as the Land of the Free.

That statement you made "No one will sign up in the Armed forces, Rich or Poor is a sad commentary and just might be a reason Colombia found itself in the Security situation it was in before the USA stepped in with Plan Colombia. Just maybe that's why up until Plan Colombia was put into action, the Drug Cartels were allowed to run the country9colombia) If what you wrote is true, I hope Col received a Wake-Up call post Plan Colombia.The Citizens have to step up and defend what they see as their way of life...

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:34:

miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:38:

I don't blame it only on ex-Pats but they are not without blame,,,,They stand safely in line here in Coral Gables(miami) and vote in safety from afar,,,

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:39:

I would like to know where would the WIZARD Uribe be without the USAs money and the money from the drug traffickers and the struggle of the Colombian people.

Keep drinking that water until you drown in it.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:41:

miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:01:

Kat--Now they stand safely in line in Colombia with NO need to immigrate abroad but was this true 15-20 years ago before Plan Colombia came to the rescue?

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 15:39 (today): flag

I would like to know where would the WIZARD Uribe be without the USAs money and the money from the drug traffickers and the struggle of the Colombian people
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One could ask Pablo Escobar with a gray Beard and White Beard where Colombia would be today if the USA and its money/security did not come to the rescue,,,

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:16:

turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:23:

Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:24:

"No but talking positive about Colombia in foreign country is fighting for Colombia."

Gracias parcero!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:24:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:25:

"Billy---I'm surprised, aren't you one of those who my Buddy Gomezman referred to as "One of the Go-Go Colombia Cheerleaders" ? lol I think Gomezman had your number. lol"

Mike you are confused again, your mentor Gomez and I never crossed swords, but if it helps you out, we'll proceed as if it had happened.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Tolú says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:25:

Sorry, I disagree. Talking positively about Colombia is cheap. Weak sauce. In fact, it's worse than cheap; it makes people complacent. It makes people think everything is okay, when it's not.

Let the extranjeros think what they like. Giving a shit about what they think is part of the problem. Let's behave more like other diasporic communities (Chinese, Indian, Jews, Armenians). They do more than "talking positively," n'est-ce pas?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:27:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:30:

"Brians I think you're gonna have to closed this thread. The Uribettes are getting hysterical, their panties are ready to burst at the seams, this girls are so dedicated to the cause,"

Once again, queenie puts his enormous wit on display. You disappoint ferran, every time I start thinking you could actually be a male adult, you come back with insults only a 12 year old girl could be proud of.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:39:

Thats right silly billy, look who you are agaisnt............ME a braces, eye glasses wearing 12 yo fat friendless pimple face lonely girl. HUMMMMM....(sticking my tounge out)

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:44:

I'm sorry, I had you all wrong, you really insult like 14 year old, my bad.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 17:00:

This one is for you silly billy. 14 yo humor

Un costeño está en una entrevista de trabajo.

El psicólogo le dice :

- Le voy a realizar un test final para su admisión

- Perfecto, dice el candidato currambero.

Entonces el psicólogo le pregunta:

- Usted está en una calle oscura y ve a lo lejos dos faros viniendo en su dirección, ¿Usted qué piensa que es?

- Un auto, dice el candidato.

- Un auto es muy poco, ¿Qué tipo de auto? ¿Un BMW, un Audi, un Volkswagen?

- ¿Eche….Y cómo lo voy a saber ?

- Hummm…, dice el psicólogo, que continúa: le voy a hacer otra pregunta:

- Usted está en la misma calle oscura y ve sólo un farol viniendo en su dirección, ¿qué es ?

- Una moto, dice el candidato.

- Si, pero ¿qué tipo de moto? ¿Una Yamaha, una Honda, una Suzuki ?

- No jodaaaaaa, pero si es una calle oscura cómo carajo lo voy a saber? (ya medio nervioso)

- Hummm…, dice el psicólogo. Aquí va la última pregunta:

- En la misma calle oscura usted ve de nuevo un solo farol pero más pequeño y percibe que viene más lento, ¿qué es?

- Una bicicleta.

- Si, pero ¿qué tipo de bicicleta?, ¿una Caloi, una Raleigh ?

- No sé !!.

- Queda Ud. eliminado! - Dice el psicólogo.

Entonces el costeño, medio triste con el resultado, dice al psicólogo:

- Ven acá cuadro, ….Aunque haya sido eliminado me ha pareció muy interesante este test. ¿Puedo hacerle una pregunta, en la misma línea de razonamiento?

Y el psicólogo satisfecho responde, ¡claro que puede!

-Usted está a la tarde casi de noche en una calle mal iluminada. Ahí ve una mujer muy maquillada, con un vestido rojo muy corto, girando su bolson y una tira de pelos colgando, Qué es ?

- Esta claro! - dice el psicólogo - es una puta.

- Sí, pero ¿qué puta? ¿Su hermana? ¿Su hija? ¿Su mujer? ¿O su puta madre.....careverga!!!!

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 17:02:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 28, 2009, 17:42:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 17:46:

"The little dude is showing his true colors"

Desi, he may be short in stature compared to some of his Scandinavian counterparts, but rest assured that his cojones are much larger than theirs. And in Colombia's neighborhood, that carries much more weight, so to speak.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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jonny305 says on Aug 28, 2009, 18:49:

many ex pats have had family killed! guerillas and for that fact paras take the fincas and children
its a reality not all of us live in coral gables some of us are suffering in hialeah

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 18:56:

billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 16:25 (today): flag

"Billy---I'm surprised, aren't you one of those who my Buddy Gomezman referred to as "One of the Go-Go Colombia Cheerleaders" ? lol I think Gomezman had your number. lol"

Mike you are confused again, your mentor Gomez and I never crossed swords, but if it helps you out, we'll proceed as if it had happened.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.
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No Billy, not confused at all! Gman had your number, lol

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 19:05:

Mike, I'll bet you fifty bucks you can't come up with a single post where he called me out. I'll even give you five to one odds. Put up or.... you know the rest of the story ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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capt_j says on Aug 28, 2009, 20:00:

"Differing points of view are welcome" Why thank you! But why bother? All the anti-uribistas offer are personal attacks, no substantive arguements of what policy other than that implemented by Uribe would be better.

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katwhiskers says on Aug 28, 2009, 20:51:

Flouride?

I miss the wonderful sound of silver coins in my pocket, abolish the Federal Reserve and bring back real money.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:03:

Mike, I see you haven't been able to come up with one, but don't worry bro, I won't hold you to the fifty bucks, just consider it like if I was buying next time you scoot up to the bar ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:38:

Whiskers you hit the jackpot

Did you know that for years fluoride was classified as a toxic waste in many countries around the world? In fact, not too long ago its only approved uses were as an insecticide and a RAT POISON!
And that's just how your body treats it - as a poison.

Plenty of studies have been done over the years - and the results are frightening. Fluoridation has been linked to immune system alteration, musculoskeletal harm, genetic damage, thyroid dysfunction, and even cancer.

But wait that's not all, Fluoride damages the electrical nerve endings in your brain, no memory electrodes can pass any longer, the brain can not store information, therefore you cant learn and can only be receptive to a daily dose of information, now you see why the daily bombardment of terror on the tube? turn it off, dont drink the cool-aid.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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quantum says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:48:

BillyB, when I made that comment, "Wheres Uribes cheering gallery", I didnt necessarily mean it ina derogratory way at all. Just was wondering when u'all were gonna show up, that's all. And u did! And Im not necessarily anti Uribe myself, although sometimes it may be construed as such. He's obviously no saint, but neither am I. And I appreciate the guy who gets the job done, especially the tuff job. And it would be difficult to find a tuffer job than Pres. of Colombia......Even as Pres of the U.S., apparently all u have to do is what you are told........unfortunately doesnt seem to require a whole lot of original thought.....

quantum

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:56:

Quantum, I know you didn't, I took it in the spirit you meant it.

"He's obviously no saint,"

God save Colombia from any president who thought himself a saint. Colombians (all South Americans in fact) will tolerate a lot nefariousness from their leaders, but anybody portraying themselves as a saint, would immediately be branded that most derogatory label of all, and that would be a phony.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:38:

I think it was ridiculous statement, and from there on my support for him waned. BTW, I don't think he is a JR. as he has a different middle name than 41.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:58:

BB, what do you think of the statement attributed to John Lennon, in which he apparently said that the beatles were bigger than Jesus Christ?

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:00:

I don't know, his book did sell way more than their albums, no? And the business he started, AKA the Catholic church, has always made greater profits than Apple records ever did, so you tell me.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:12:

Ah ok, good to hear... yeah, I just call him "the son" because of his penchant to please Daddy. (you know his father, God)

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:14:

uhh, ok, for a second there I thought you were talking about Chavvie and his "daddy" Fidelito.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 29, 2009, 05:37:

this thread is like a fencing match with wet underware. all these figures and statistics and personal attacks. if any of you fail to see the reality of the lives of 95 plus percent of all colombians, you shouldn't even post.....out of shame.

what is all this bullshit bantering between you? who's a leftist, who's a rightest? just what the fuck does all that mean. common, one of you stand up and explain to me--and maybe others--how all this rhetorical arguing and carring on ever put a meal on a table or sent a child to school or to a doctor?

give it a break! if all you very intelligent brothers and sisters actually pooled your mental resources and talents and applied them to real issues in colombia and the lives of colombia's poor, we could make some real progress. actuall do something.

but day in and day out this nonsense goes on, yelling at each other, propping up the king and defending issues that are wholly without merit and forces (paras, narcos, insurgents, police/military et al) that should be legally and morally taken to task for their wholesale sell out.

do you all forget in all this tete a tete that we're talking about colombia? and that 100's of thousands of colombians are suffrering and thousands dying, for lack of the likes of us doing something productive?

common, we all--collectively--can make a difference and REALLY do something.....that is if we get off our worthless high horses and put our backs to the plow and lend a hand at change.

d

patriarch

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soylocombiano says on Aug 29, 2009, 07:17:

the road to my finca sucks. who do I pay about that?

Living well is the best revenge

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dwmte7 says on Aug 29, 2009, 10:29:

loco....polish your nose, go to your nearest pueblo and take the alcalde to lunch , sport him a couple of beers, invite him to your finca and after a nice bar b que, ask him how much it's gonna cost. it usually works

they actually love it when they can do some good and get a little 'sunlight' out of it. (promo)
d

patriarch

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quantum says on Aug 30, 2009, 11:54:

You could give classes in local diplomacy Douglas, haha........

quantum

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 15:32:

i don't think any country on earth leans as easy to 'butter up' as colombia. man they love feelin important. show em around town, wine em, dine em.....then you got em on your finger.

another thing i learned over the years....there ain't nothin harder than gettin a rich colombian to pick up the tab. they got a saying in iran..."taroff".....after a big meal, all the guys will show off, arguing about the tab. "i will"....."no, i will"...." no no, let me" it's pure bullshit. finally some jerk ends up standing there with the tab while the others head for the door. same in colombia. some of you brothers say you have wealthy colombian friends.....how many times did these guys stand up and sport the tab? like never?

patriarch

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aztec says on Sep 1, 2009, 05:25:

"i will"....."no, i will"...."

Sounds like my gringo family.

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dwmte7 says on Sep 2, 2009, 05:48:

you might be right, aztec....maybe it's a disease world wide.

patriarch

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