What you won't hear in the media...

babygirl says on Aug 11, 2009, 20:53:

Lovely.

Best quote of the week... "should I be taking this pill with wine?" Canadian Girls Kick Ass!

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theflatline says on Aug 11, 2009, 21:12:

Newsflash, people are killed in Colombia.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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ferran says on Aug 11, 2009, 21:15:

That is absolutely true, in reality crime has risen 50% over last year in most of Colombia, according to people that I have talk to and reliable sources are saying, Uribe created a calm before the storm, the band aid that he put over the gash can no longer do, it has become infected. The same problem that existed before his terms are evident now and have gotten worst, you can't sweep have of the disfranchised population under the rug, four million internal refugees and growing and the military complex keeps on growing along with the power elite getting richer. and you want four more years of the same?

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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theflatline says on Aug 11, 2009, 21:17:

The rich got richer and the poor got poorer.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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mranderson says on Aug 11, 2009, 21:28:

Is this supposed to be a scare tactic?

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Simon says on Aug 11, 2009, 21:28:

Yeah Ferran, maybe Uribe himself killed those 70 people.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Dolfi says on Aug 12, 2009, 01:13:

The present colombian government obviously is as unable to protect it´s citizens than any other before.

Surely the US bases will help.

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lampltr says on Aug 12, 2009, 02:12:

Dolfi, you are correct in one way but not the other....what do you think the U.S. will do? Nothing as they won't be getting involved in the internal politics....

As always the middle class is hit hard, slowly will disappear if government does nothing more proactive to turn all around!!

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dwmte7 says on Aug 12, 2009, 05:02:

morning simon...where you been?

patriarch

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Rikito says on Aug 12, 2009, 05:25:

ferran what reliable sources...here we go again with you.

...and so it goes

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theflatline says on Aug 12, 2009, 05:45:

Well whenever an attorney is whacked in Colombia the first thing the other attorneys tell other people is the guy apparently did not doing anything wrong.

The reality in Colombia is that most attorneys are very adept at stealing more money with their coats and briefcases than many crooks do with guns. And they are all "nice" guys.

My father is an attorney and a good one, plus honest, and I cannot tell you the number of times he has been offered huge payoffs by the opposing legal staff when in cases. Especially those of the wealthy factory owner who has screwed someone out of a pension.

I see a lot of positive changes in Colombia but I see poverty has increased and there are more petty crooks wandering the streets, even here in Manizales.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Rikito says on Aug 12, 2009, 05:45:

I saw this in Colombia Reports this morning, but 70 people and it is not reported all over the world? Please.

From the article.

Following the appearance of alleged paramilitary pamphlets, 97 people have been killed and two disappeared in acts of "social cleansing" throughout Colombia, independent investigation center CINEP has announced.

According to investigators, pamphlets threatening to kill prostitutes, drug users and "weirdos" appeared in almost three-quarters of the country. In regions where the pamphlets were most widely distributed - the capital Bogota and the departments of Norte de Santander, Cordoba and Boyaca - the pamphlets were followed by higher numbers of reports of disappeared or murdered teenagers, prostitutes and people from the GLBT community.

The study showed that people from poor neighborhoods are most vulnerable to threats, forced disappearance and murder by the alleged paramilitary groups.

"We are very concerned that the use of fear and threats has become a tool for social control," CINEP executive Jorge Julio Mejía told Caracol Radio.

The threatening pamphlets appeared first in Medellin and appeared later in dozens of other Colombian cities. Authorities previously blamed the FARC for spreading the threats, but NGOs say paramilitary groups are responsible.

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Rikito says on Aug 12, 2009, 06:28:

Colombia Reports is looking at this and has some problems with the numbers and who is reporting them. They were told was told 80 were murdered. But there is no confirmation anywhere. For now it is just consider it "chismes".

Reliable. identifiable sources. Not someones opinion. This reminds me of the pass the mesaage game.

...and so it goes

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billyb says on Aug 12, 2009, 06:58:

Oh shit, there's crime in Medellin? Since when?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Aug 12, 2009, 06:59:

"That is absolutely true, in reality crime has risen 50% over last year in most of Colombia, according to people that I have talk to"

Who are these people, and what makes them "reliable"?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ferran says on Aug 12, 2009, 07:09:

This is just one article on one media chanel of the news RIKITO!! I suggest you do a little research around the nation to come to the same conclusion, doesnt anyone here understand this is Colombia,

A WOLF MAY SHED HIS COAT BUT NEVER HIS HABITS

SO THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER WITH URIBE



HOMICIDIOS EN MEDELLIN SE HAN ELEVADO EN UN 50 POR CIERTO

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La cifra tiene alarmadas a las autoridades de la ciudad que para frenar este índice de criminalidad elevarán en más de 1.000 el número de policías que serán ubicados en sectores de la ciudad donde se presentan enfrentamientos entre bandas delincuenciales.
El concejal de Medellín Fabio Rivera, señaló que en lo que va corrido de 2009 se han registrado "más de 1.050 homicidios, superando lo de todo el año 2008. Eso preocupa no solo al Concejo sino a la Administración Pública".

El edil advirtió que estos crímenes no sólo se derivan de enfrentamientos entre bandas delincuenciales, pues, "por ejemplo, 12 fueron en masacres, 44 este año fueron en asesinatos dobles, 33 de ellos fueron por asfixia mecánica".

Esto "muestra lo organizado de la delincuencia en la ciudad de Medellín", agregó el funcionario.

La directora de Fiscalías de Medellín, Marta Penagos, lamentó además que en la mayoría de los casos, los delitos son excarcelables, por lo que "esa flagrancia por sí sola no te permite ir a mostrarle al juez de garantías que esa persona posiblemente pertenezca a una banda porque el término no da", y muchos de los delincuentes son dejados en libertad.

Ante estas cifras, el secretario de Gobierno de Medellín, Jesús Ramírez, indicó que "más de 250 policías" trabajan las "24 horas" del día "en cuadrantes donde nosotros tenemos vistos y analizados enfrentamientos entre combos".

La Policía anunció también que para el mes de diciembre se completara el esquema de seguridad con más de 1.000 uniformados.

Medellín (Antioquia)

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All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 12, 2009, 07:12:

Oh, from an article? I thought you had "inside" information.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 12, 2009, 07:32:

yeah, billy....i channeled it to him. psychotelepathy. jeje

patriarch

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ferran says on Aug 12, 2009, 07:35:

Billy I dont know how often you talk to people in colombia, I do it on a daily basis, people from all over Colombia tell me the same thing crime and murder is rising, the news paper say it, there is nothing "inside" about this but you guys still think is all made up.

JOKE
Two PBHrs are walking down the street, one says to the other one, watch out! dont step on that, what do you think it is the other one replies, well. it looks like shit he says, let me see.....Hmmmm. yeah, it looks like shit, let me smell it says the other one, Yeah.......It smells like shit, Wait, Wait, let me taste it the other replies.............Hmmmmmm....Yeap, it tastes like shit, Boy, how lucky we are we dindt step in it.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Haddeman says on Aug 12, 2009, 08:13:

Things are indeed getting more violent here in Envigado and Medellin but the reasons are more complex than Mr Ferran alludes to.Recently many leaders of the Oficina de Envigado have been apprehended and are comtemplating their crimes in Itagui prison.This has left a power vacuum and various groups are using extreme violence to wrest control of the said lucrative organisation.
Sure poverty and unemployment play a big part in crime but it is not the only factor.Do all unemployed people go around stealing and killing,do all poor people rob and deal in drugs,of course not.Do richer people not commit crime,of course they do.
It is easy to blame all on one problem but there are desperately poor societies where crime barely exists,as some indiginous societies or those with a strict moral or belief system.
To rob,kill or steal from somebody there is no excuse ,to blame poverty per se is a weak willed,lily livered cop out.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 12, 2009, 10:38:

guy goes to the dentist to have a tooth extracted. it's a molar and it's hurting like hell.

the patient is in the dentist's chair writhing in pain and the dentist pulls out his syringe and starts to inject novocain and the buy freaks...'no no no...no needles, i can't handle them.' ok the dentist says.

then the dentist gets out his gas mask and starts to put it on the guy to give him some 'funny gas'...again, the guy freaks out...no no no...i'm clostrophobic, i can't put on a mask. again the dentist concedes. but he tells the patient that the tooth is really impacted and all infected and extraction is gonna hurt like hell. the patient says to the doc, i'm afraid of needles and i'm clostrophobic, what can i do.

finally, the dentist says, wait a minute.....he goes out of the room and comes back with a pill............can you handle taking a pill, he asks the patient. sure, he replies, what is it? it's viagra, replies the dentist. that's interesting, i didn't know that viagra was used for pain, the patient replied.

it's not, said the dentist, but it'll give you something to hold on to when i pull out that tooth.

patriarch

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Aji1 says on Aug 12, 2009, 11:06:

jeje

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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durito2 says on Aug 12, 2009, 11:41:

the ferria is 10 days, that's 7 per day. that hardly unheard of in medellin

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whitewidow says on Aug 12, 2009, 12:22:

huh? how so? it has been pretty calm the last 6 years with only a handful of flair ups.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 12, 2009, 16:39:

Rikito says on Aug 13, 2009, 05:20:

ferran, I see that you continue to fabricate your beleifs and 'proofs' Are you ever going to provide some thing that has relaible support information or are you going to keep depending on the lefty weekley?

...and so it goes

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