what is the worst/dangerous barrio in cali?

kalder says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:04:

This might be of interest:

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2078.cfm

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:39:

Yes, the answer is easy: the huge slum of Distrito de Aguablanca, in the east of the city. I don't go there, not even in daylight. It's like a city within a city and should be avoided. There are others, Siloé on the hillside, Terron Colorado too on western hills climbing up following the road to Buenaventura. Basically anything in the east of the city is unsafe, also some southeastern and northeastern barrios, like Mariano Ramos for example.

Also, there's an area very close to downtown Cali, called La Olla, Arthur can tell you about it. He rents apartments there, but the whole area is extremely unsafe.

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morphus says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:43:

Unsafe=Cheap. I'll rent an apartment there.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:45:

I'm sure La Olla is just your kind of place, morphus.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:47:

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:49:

what ever you do PLEASE don;t go here!!!!
thank you

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:50:

Thank you, elmo. Those are just the places I was talking about.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 28, 2007, 09:58:

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Morrongo says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:04:

Lots of Barrios than the above mentioned, they are the notorious ones, but not necessarily the worst, before commenting ,why do you need this information? seems such a random queston

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:12:

what that place in cali (above video) needs is for USA to kindly drop a dozen smart bombs.
when you have guys stealing from other homeless or guys rding burros then there is no hope
I would call this place the end of civilization
thank you!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:38:

Why do you think this us something that only happens in Cali? Or did you? That video could've been shot in your beloved B/quilla just as well...

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

fugdis says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:41:

The paras or whoever is in charge of Terron Colorado do make an effort to clean up and get rid of the shitbags. They issue a list of names every now and then. If your names on the list you either leave or die.
Two of my nephews made the shitlist about a year ago and fled to Bogota after the third person on the list had his throat cut as he answered a knock at the door. They have since returned to terron and I think its only a question of time before something nasty happens to them.
I go to terron quite often to visit in laws but would never go there on my own.

panthdave says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:54:

What is so interesting about the poor/dangerous barrios of colombia...???

panthdave Miami

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:57:

I’ve been to the worst places in Barranquilla (la chinita) but I have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER seeing anything as bad as this video. La chinita looks like Disney fokin World compared to Cali.
That's why we got PARACOS IN CURRAMBA
thank you!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:04:

I've never seen anything like that in Cali either but that video clip was from Caracol Noticias, so it does have some credibility.

Pantdave, I have no personal interest except to inform where NOT to go in Cali.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:06:

What's depressing is that it was "police video." I guess that means the Cali police just sit around taking pictures of folks getting robbed and beaten but don't really do much to stop it.

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:08:

please let me continue NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER .........................seeing anything like that in barranquilla not even close.
The only other place where i seen it this bad is Brazil
BUT in Curramba, NERVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVERE NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER .....................................................................................................
thank you!!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:33:

For all you pasty gringos there, this area where the shootings and robbings were filmed is RIGHT NEXT to Chippy Chappy Mall!!!

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elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:35:

again with the crappy creepy mall. why is this place so famous??

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Gator says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:49:

Aguablanca, with out a doubt number one, along with Primero de Mayo and Ciudad Córdoba-what say you Tia Desi?

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

Morrongo says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:51:

crappy creepy mall is famous for nothing.....usually the only contact gingos have with Cali ,is there hotel and this mall------to do some mongering......

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 11:53:

That's where all the fat, old pasty gringos go to drool at pretty, young barrio girls who work in the shops and restaurants there....they have to mop the floors constantly to keep it clean of gringo drool....later at night it's the neighbourhood where Camp the "Incamprisble" is being chased by trannies...
The Mall itself is not creepy at all, it very nice and to be honest, nowhere nearby these lugubrious low-life barrios the video shows...I'm just trying to keep the gringos away from my Cali.
(Except fudgis, he's welcome...hehehe...ho'w the house coming along? Oh woody and susan are welcome too:))) Some others too, but I can't be bothered to make a complete list right now,...)

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bopenyan says on Nov 28, 2007, 12:45:

Is Barrio Santa Elena relatively secure, all things considering?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 28, 2007, 13:08:

Tio Gator, Ciudad Cordoba is not too bad, that's strata 3 (I spent some time there during my last visit) but it's surrounded by some very bad places, Mariano Ramos and others.
Aguablanca, yes, of course, except that it's a "district" a conglomeration of barrios, all of them dangerous.

Bopenyan, Santa Elena is ok, not the best place but not the worst either.

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Morrongo says on Nov 28, 2007, 14:02:

Aguablanca has the notorious name,but not all the barrio is enter at your peril , Siloe is just as dangerous with its numerous other barrios surrounding.A name not mentioned yet is Mojica ,which is particularly bad and in my opinion worse to enter than Siloe or Aguablanca

arthur brode says on Nov 28, 2007, 21:43:

i have seen some areas of "El Centro" within walking distance of Plaza Caicedo that look like another world.not even taxis will go in there.

http://www.calirentals.net/

arthur brode says on Nov 28, 2007, 21:45:

for those of you that are on a budget.i beleive the rent there is free

http://www.calirentals.net/

Robert Jorge says on Nov 28, 2007, 21:53:

Jajajajajaja AB.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

billyb says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:02:

"Why do you think this us something that only happens in Cali? Or did you? That video could've been shot in your beloved B/quilla just as well..."

The only difference is that it would have been in the nice part of Barranquilla ;))

elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:11:

i'm gonna dig up a pic of the worst town in curramba, la chinita
be back

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:15:

REBOLO one of the worst barrios en barranquilla AS BAD AS LA CHINITA
compare cali with Rebolo

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:23:

This is a video about some social programs to improve the Aguablanca district. The difference is that the caleños recognize the problem and try to do something about it without just drinking and dancing and pretending that everything's dandy in Curramba.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:28:

drinking, dancing and tapping that CHUCHA is what makes the world go around the rest is just minor details.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

morphus says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:30:

Yeah, just think, we are all here as a result of an ejaculation.

elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:30:

desi, i saw your video
holly crap, where that fuk that be at? fokin haiti????

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:32:

Elmo, that's half of the population of Buenaventura that has taken refuge in Cali....and they're all in Aguablanca.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:32:

la chinita barranquilla

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:40:

well, we aint got no refugee all we got is puro barranquilleros bien corroncho y bien mondao.
we don't be havin no wars near curramba

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 29, 2007, 11:51:

Who knew that poor barrios in Colombia all have their own fan clubs?

nueva york bombero says on Nov 29, 2007, 15:27:

I'm leaving for Cali in a few weeks and this shit is Scary !!! I was feeling confident in seeing my friends down there, but my braveness is diminishing. But thanks for the truth! And to Desi.... I am a gringo and I'm coming whether you like it or not......lol

Morrongo says on Nov 29, 2007, 17:20:

bombero ...what truth? -------take absolutely no notice of this scare mongering...its interesting to know some perspective of how some barrios are,but these areas will be of no concern to you on your visit,well i hope not!!..Aguablanca had a history in the past..its still bad,but is improving due to various charity work there........to imply Aguablanca is the pits because loads of people from Buenaventura live there is an open insult to those people.They have their problems, but this does not mean you can tar them all with rash stupid comments......

strata2woman says on Nov 29, 2007, 17:26:

Rianse! la vida es muy corta. Don't take everything too serious.

- "con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá"

nueva york bombero says on Nov 29, 2007, 18:01:

I had been searching for safety conditions currently in Cali and found this. I'm going regardless, but it's good to know where NOT to end up! I'm an adventurous traveler, but don't want to put myself in harms way. Thanks for the info......

la campiña says on Nov 29, 2007, 18:43:

depends on the arrogants of the person that enters such places, everywhere can be dangerous in Cali but with respect to the people that live in poor barrios the hills have eyes, and with common sense you can see where is uncomfortable and where is not , I think a list would be an insult to the people that live in the obviosly underpriveliged areas

Gator says on Nov 29, 2007, 19:25:

I KNEW there were coherent thoughts there. We call it the pucker factor. If you look around and couldn't pull a needle out of your a_ _ with a John Deere tractor you KNOW you are in the wrong place.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

goin_south says on Nov 29, 2007, 21:31:

And to Desi.... I am a gringo and I'm coming whether you like it or not......lol
You Go! NYB!

and, please, Desi... ad me to the list;
I wouldn't want to be the fat, bald, white, .. pasty.. gringo to screw up
'Your Cali'... in retrospect....
news to me:
You are Caleña?

And, NYB... don't worry too much about all the crap in this post.

y, un mil gracias.

Gator says on Nov 30, 2007, 06:05:

Believe me, there are barrios you can go into and not return-at least with all you body parts.

Goin south, ever been to Cali?

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 30, 2007, 07:42:

There are horrible, dangerous barrios in every Colombian city I've seen. Certainly Bogota has a lot of places you wouldn't want to wander alone. When I first arrived in Bogota I was exploring around Plaza de Bolivar. As I wandered south a few blocks, almost within sight of the Palace, a cop stopped me and warned me I really shouldn't continue much further or I'd be at serious risk. And I don't look particularly gringo.

elmodefoque says on Nov 30, 2007, 10:55:

people are like dogs, you show fear and they will attack.
Back when harlem in NYC was the most dangerous place to walk around, i stroll the entire place ALONE at 2 am.
Now, you might be asking, what is this crazy modefoque doing walking Harlem at this hour?
I'll tell you.
I was having a bad acid trip, y se me dio por camina toa esa monda.
I bet i could walk any "bad" place in colombia and come out with out a scratch,is all about how you present yourself.
thank yue

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 30, 2007, 11:11:

"to imply Aguablanca is the pits because loads of people from Buenaventura live there is an open insult to those people.They have their problems, but this does not mean you can tar them all with rash stupid comments......"

Morronguito, having a bad day?


"desi, i saw your video
holly crap, where that fuk that be at? fokin haiti????"
(Elmo)




Desideria says on Thursday November 29th, 2007 7:32: edit

"Elmo, that's half of the population of Buenaventura that has taken refuge in Cali....and they're all in Aguablanca".

There's nothing racist about me saying that. It's just statistics. I was responding to Elmo who thought it looked like Haiti. I'm not saying it a bad place because half of Buenaventura has moved in there; just that there are lots of black people living there....in dismal conditions as most internally displaced people in Colombia are. Aguablanca was the pits long before the drug wars in Buenaventura even started.

There's NOBODY on this board who has spoken more about the plight of the population of Buenaventura and the Pacific coast than me.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 11:54:

Gator, ... yeah. 3X. just last week, the last.

y, un mil gracias.

Morrongo says on Nov 30, 2007, 12:01:

Thanks Desi..but my days are always good.

Not for a minute thought you were a racist.I have read enough of your posts to know that!

People from Buenaventura live all over Cali...and many in Houston US too...lots left because of no work or the violence...you just implied by your statment that..hell its got to be the pits because people from BV live there.....and this is not correct,the poor sods always get a bad wrap even when they try to escape the problems, perhaps I read too much into your words?
:)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 30, 2007, 12:08:

Yeah, it was the "fokin'Haiti" in Elmo's post that brought the issue of race into it. I just remembered reading in El Pais about the high concentration of people from Buenaventura and the black communities of Cauca in Aguablanca.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 30, 2007, 12:08:

double

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Gator says on Nov 30, 2007, 12:26:

Sorry, Just remembered your post of 2007-10-18 and though you had not been.


Ã? need to make reservations before the week is out.
But,...because of lack of time,... as usual.... I may end up in Cali ... otra vez.... this time. Quick, (most) inexpensive, and convenient for me and for her.

Thanks for your input.I am a month out, from departure.
Since they do not celebrate T-Day in Colombia, there seems to be no rush on the accomodations for that time, either in availability or price. But, would like to 'lock it in' this week.

(Diiiiaaaannnnnnaaaaaa????)

Leaving from either Miami or Houston....preferably.

By goin_south..."

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 13:03:

This time, I got a better taste of Cali.
Cali Viejo....mucho gusta.
Walked alot in El Centro..amongst the throngs and masses of people where you can't get into the stores, for the street vendors every step of the way... walked some up there, on the edge of Teresita, where the divide exists, between 'de good & de bad'.... westwardly away from the zoo. then, down... several blocks and along the river...We walked alot of Cali, this time. The weather was perfect the entire time. Unico. chipe chape? hell, yeah! Lookin for Desi, Mona, and Kat1.

y, un mil gracias.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 30, 2007, 13:35:

Cali Viejo is one of the restaurants I always recommend to people; I don't do it a lot here because this crowd here does not go to Cali for local gourmet cooking...they've got other interests and being chased by trannies on the sexta is more like their style.

I almost never go downtown Cali except when I have to. I hang out in the south of the city, sometimes in the north too and I like the western neighbourhoods perhaps the best....the ones climbing gently on the hillside.

There are very nice neighbourhoods in Cali, some posh, some just cozy and comfy with little pretensions. I used to shun the north because of the bad air quality but the factories north of city have become better in controlling the pollution and the air does not stink as badly.

I used to love San Fernando Viejo and Tequendama Viejo before they were invaded by commercial establishments and clinics; it was big houses with huge backyard patios, fruit trees, night-flowering bushes and swimming pools, but in these days you can hardly find a family home in those areas. Even my lovely in-law relatives have moved away to places like barrio Bretaña...

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kalder says on Nov 30, 2007, 14:46:

I've eaten in Cali Viejo.

In terms of setting, service, ambience, it was faultless.

But, to be honest, I thought the food nothing special.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 30, 2007, 14:51:

Ok, so maybe "Caleño gourmet cooking" was a little misleading. Cali Viejo serves typical, old-fashioned Caleño food. If you grew up with empanadas, tamales and sancocho you'll love Cali Viejo. If it's the new French cuisine you prefer, then you'll be better somewhere else.

Me and my friends, we just pop in for some empanadas.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 14:53:

Believe or no; even La_Campiña gave me the 'tour en mapa' of all of Cali.
A.B. helped.
My travels were such:
First time two years ago, Cali for 4 days, only going a few places like up the highway kilometer 18. Nice. and,...chipe chape, because SHE wanted to go.
2nd time.... landed... and one night in the CHEAP hotel Nevada...an experience... not so bad...and off to Popayan/Pasto the next morning.
Then, Medellin. Nice. I liked that better.
Bogota... last June.
The Best Yet!
But, then.... with no real plans, and a more leisurely-minded trip... however still short... I got a better appreciation for Cali this last trip. And, look forward to returning another day.

y, un mil gracias.

goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 20:20:

"...I've eaten in Cali Viejo.
In terms of setting, service, ambience, it was faultless.
But, to be honest, I thought the food nothing special..." (Kalderone)

I agree, kalder. But, then... I had THE BEST ACOMPAñERA... MUY BELLA... and! there were a few large tables of 'women's (Caleñas) business meetings the day I was there... And, as I wondered.... 'What does Desi or anyone else possibly see in these lousy empanadas... I marveled at the balance of the setting... plus, mi cariñosa was enjoying her sangria con mucha fruita, ... so... you know where that led..... the blind leading the blind....

y, un mil gracias.

billyb says on Nov 30, 2007, 20:32:

"'What does Desi or anyone else possibly see in these lousy empanadas... "

Duckworth, that reminds me of the story of an Englishman who went to live in Colombia a long time ago and when taken to lunch by some colombian friends and ordering a bandeja paisa, he asks what the hell is that? When told it was chicharron, made out of fried pork skin, he exclaims, "what an uncivilized place, why in England we would have turned that pigskin into a fine pair of gloves", well after living in Colombia for about 20 years he goes back to visit the old country and while walking past a store he sees a pair of gloves in the window and the owner comes out and says " aren't they nice? made out of pigskin you know" and the visitor exclaims, " what an uncivilized place, why in Colombia we would have made a damn fine chicharron out that".

Robert Jorge says on Dec 1, 2007, 10:55:

GS, your better half was drinking blood with fruit? Sorry, I had to be the first to make a stupid joke .... I get it, wine, not blood.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

kalder says on Dec 1, 2007, 10:59:

So true Mr. South...the cuisine at Cali Viejo is scarcely equal to what Gaston serves me at the broad acres of Castle Kalder, but the setting is très romantique . It must have been wonderful, being there with your inamorata.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

goin_south says on Dec 1, 2007, 13:09:

It was most fun, because ,... even though, right in the middle of the afternoon, during the week.... I guess she knew where we were going, but... A COMPLETE SURPRISE TO ME! much, like when in Bogota, we found ourselves cozily y comfortably snuggled on top of Monserrate having una cena unforgettable.... in Restaurante San Ysidro, which neither she nor I had any idea what lie within that lil white house with smoke bellowing from within la chiminea.

The nice spontaneous surprises in Colombia like this, seem to be endless.

y, un mil gracias.

goin_south says on Dec 1, 2007, 13:14:

"" in Restaurante San Ysidro, which neither she nor I had any idea what lie within that lil white house with smoke bellowing from within la chiminea.''

That's a lil MacBeth mixed with......LA_CAMPiña

y, un mil gracias.

LuvsAddiction says on Dec 2, 2007, 14:23:

People - Last time in Cali I needed my shoes to be sewn (sown?)- no joke - was not broke or anything I've been buying the same shoes for the last five years, anyways they told me to go to this place in el centro I think, wish I could remember the parameters but will ask my buddies where was it exactly, oh boy. The cab waited for me and I pretended -while talking to him outside his cab- not to noticed a guy stealing the driver's knife in plain light at 11-something AM & taking away on his bmx. Needless to say I can I was a very lucky person that day. Told the driver to just drive out of hell right aways...

Please enjoy while you can. Please do so!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 5, 2007, 03:28:

I have no specific issues with Americans, only with the pasty stereotype, which I deem pathetic, not because of the nationality (could be Finnish or German or whatever), but because of the self-deception and and the general, overall sadness of their condition, but everybody is entitled to live their lives as they best can, as long as you are not hurting somebody else.

I have no idea why you had to bring in reindeer products or Lasse Virén to this discussion, except to show me that you knew something about my country evenif ut had no relation to the matter discussed.

Talking about juicing up, guess where we learned to do that? (Do not throw rocks in aglass house).

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Albatross says on Dec 5, 2007, 08:51:

What about the self-deception and general, overall sadness of the pasty gringas ?

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 5, 2007, 09:27:

Does not apply.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush