what do you think about the "REGGAETON"

Caballista says on Jul 16, 2005, 06:19:

Los apoyo no me gusta esa música a la que yo llamo "regueron" porque es un reguero de palabras soeces incitando a la violencia sexual y no soy puritana tampoco. Estoy de acuerdo con los jovenes y espero que su campaña tenga exito, desafortunadamente se que lo popular es lo que gusta más. A mi parecer, es música para personas adultas o jovenes con cierta o mucha cantidad de rabia y deseo mal enfocado, llamando a la violencia contra las mujeres, Se ocultan tras este tipo de musica para insultar y arengar, no es algo inocente como lo quieren hacer creer. Pero vende y eso es lo que les importa. La violencia vende, tanto cine, como periódicos, revistas y la música.
NO al regueron, NO al chip-chop, NO al trap.

Rubiazo says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:13:

Have any of you guys Actually had sex before? Just curious. Or are you all turn the lights off missionary position only type people?

Some regueton is absolutely terrible. Some of it is amazing poetry.

Ironically Juanes's 'La Camisa Negra' is currently BANNED in the Dominican Republic by some old witch over there because he's talking about his penis being flaccid with a double entendre, whereas a lot of regueton which is much more 'low-brow' is being transmitted all over the airwaves no problem.

Caballista says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:20:

todo vende y nada tiene que ver con la vida personal de cada cual.

utopiacowboy says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:27:

No, we've never had sex before. What's it like? Da me mas gasolina!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Rubiazo says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:32:

It's kind of 'duro pero suave' at the same time. Some people seem to have absolutely no experience with it though. My parents, for example, are fundamentalist Christians. They don't like sex because it could lead to dancing regueton!

Rubiazo says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:32:

BTW if you guys don't like the words to some of those songs, i hope you NEVER hear my gf and I talking dirty to each other. Trust me, those guys are AMATEURS!

Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 16, 2005, 08:51:

Regionalism at its finest This is the kind of provincialism that makes Colombia proud!

The Caleños are not really mad about the dirty words. They're mad because it's from the Caribbean. Worst, those damn Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are really good at it.

platano says on Jul 16, 2005, 09:17:

Personally I don't like reggaeton but I must protest.... I protest Mr. Hollywood's charge of regionalism: The caleños are "mad because it's from the Caribbean" ??.!!.??.!!.??.!!.??

Caleños do not get mad at music from the Caribbean. Their embrace of salsa is the proof. There are five principal schools or transnational styles of salsa performance: New York, Puerto Rican, Venezuela, Colombian, and Cuban (with the development of "timba" or "Cuban salsa" in the 1990's.) The success of salsa music in Cali would seem to indicate an openness to other cultural contributions, not provincialism.

Caleños are more... much, much more... than "salseros". They are "melómanos" which means they recognize and appreciate good music from wherever it originates. Their rejection of reggaeton should not be taken lightly. Caleños are connoiseurs of good music. Reggaeton is not good music.

Plátano, y sí, sí, sí, COLOMBIA! sí, sí, sí CARIBE!
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

elpadrino says on Jul 16, 2005, 09:52:

reggaeton uh well some of us are confusing reggaeton w/ hip hop and those two can not be mixed up.
ok reggaeton to me it does not sound like poetry rubiazo are you crazy they don't say anything. I never kneew that every word ended in eo ejemplo. sageto, vailoteo, que es eso para mi eso no quiere decir nada. y todos dicen lo mismo.

Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 16, 2005, 10:22:

Rejection of Reggaton Actually, you're right, Platano.

There wouldn't be this issue if "Caleños" as a group rejected reggaton. But I'm sure this is just a replay of "what are these crazy kids listening to?" that we've seen every generation since, I don't know, Mozart.

What it really speaks to is the popular success of this kind of music, whether you and I like it or not.

kernow62 says on Jul 16, 2005, 10:36:

It will run its course, the great music lives on.

Caballista says on Jul 16, 2005, 12:37:

Mr.Bob Marley and the Warriors, Jamaican Music, that is REGGAE, but with ton? please eso es reggaeton-tos (reguero de tontos)
And I do not want to offend or "herir suceptibilidades", but the way the dress, talk and have their nails done, it's a very low class music to the ears. Out, Out, Out of Colombia with that ruido.

elpadrino says on Jul 16, 2005, 13:47:

u love it what you love about it ??????????????

greenday says on Jul 16, 2005, 14:23:

total crap music I HATE IT!! And would NEVER date a woman who loved it...women who love reggaeton are whores in my book, right up there with women who have tattoos and who smoke.

spy1984 says on Jul 16, 2005, 14:46:

Right Greenday Yep, Just like the beggining of ignorant rap noise in the US. Destructive and hurtful to women in Colombia.

Look at Roofus comments about Bitches.. There you go..It will destroy their culture like it did ours. I just got back from 3 weeks in Cali and I can already see it.

kernow62 says on Jul 16, 2005, 15:51:

I think you meant Bob Marley and the Wailers. :-)

Reggae is also "low-class" music that became accepted by the mainstream who ruined it. Ska and rocksteady, bluebeat, that is when reggae was at its best and it didn't get any more ghetto than Trenchtown. The best reggae is those who don't try to make it to "acceptable", people like Lee "Scratch" Perry or people that stick to the ital roots such as Augustus Pablo.

There is some reggaeton that I don't mind but it does sometimes sound a bit too much the same, a bit like listening to a Nora Jones CD.

andrea_despentes says on Jul 16, 2005, 23:34:

isnt reggaeton puerto rican music or something like that?

that is if u can call that crap music.

morphus says on Jul 17, 2005, 05:16:

REGGAETON NO GOOD the only Latin music i listen to is Shakira, Paulina Rubio and Thalia.

kernow62 says on Jul 17, 2005, 05:51:

You need to widen your musical horizons morphus, there is a a great deal of great Latin music. Olga Tañon kicks ass!

nanis says on Jul 17, 2005, 06:09:

Sorry guys but I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one, not all reggaeton is name calling or treat women badly, yeah there are some nasty songs there but so there are some nasty salsa songs too who call women cheaters and treat them really awful, but remember this songs are just relating to the writer's past experiences. You can even relate to any of these songs at any stage of your lives. But i just don't pay attention to any of that crap I just enjoy dancing to it, I’m more into the rhythm than to the actual words... I mean what am i going to do with the words? Dance to them? Not really I love dancing to reggaeton and to salsa because of their rhythm. We are categorising a whole genre here but not all songs sing the same lyrics it's just like we say in Colombia we cannot call all men "perros" because not all of them are cheaters even if the majority are. hehe

As for people who think that women who like reggaeton are whores... WTF are you on about guys?? I like reggaeton and yeah it turns me on, have you guys ever had sex before? Do you just turn off the lights and lay on the bed with your body covered with sheets? it sounds like it... hehe how funny! Sex is not just to have it but to enjoy it! So it's music... it aint just to dance! if the rhythm's sexy you need to dance sexy!! if you're having sex you need to be wild and enjoy it to the fullest extend! But if you don't like having sex no one can force you too!!

p.s whoever said that women who have tattoos are whores? I have 3! 2 on my back and one on my butt that's that make me a whore? So I assume that me being Colombian makes me a cocaine trafficker!

greenday says on Jul 17, 2005, 07:46:

Mrs. Gomez just my personal opinion on raggeaton lovers, women with tattoos, and women who smoke. I, for one, stay away from these type of women, since I would wager none are virgins, and I'm sure they would be quite easy to get into the bed with... and with all due respect, if I met you and saw your tattoos shaking while dancing to raggaeton music, I would run the other way, FAST...just not my type of woman.

As for enjoying sex, well, let's just say none of my women have ever complained...quite the contrary, almost to the letter, most have said I'm the best lover they ever had.

nanis says on Jul 17, 2005, 08:10:

haha, that was funny now tell me, who in the name of god would ever say that they are bad in bed????

but you have let me down i thought that with all your intelligence you would think differently and not categorized people like that. not all women who smoke are whores and neither are the ones who shake their butt on the dance floor what a load of crap! you are going to have to marry a nun that's if you're not already married to one! and yeah i guess you're right about running a mile away from me if you ever saw me, who wouldn't? most men feel scared of me! hehe and about finding virgins that's a tough one matey!

p.s don't you ever go out with colombians! we are all a bunch of crazy mot*er f*ckers who like to kill and take drugs! now that's not nice to say is it? so it's assuming that because a lady smokes she's a whore.

tomtom33 says on Jul 17, 2005, 08:25:

GD Women with tattoos are easy to bed? Damn, I might start to like tattoos.

greenday says on Jul 17, 2005, 09:24:

sorry Mrs. Gomez just from my years of experience...women who have tattoos is a sign to me that they are sexually liberal, and yes, most are looser than those that don't have tattoos. Studies have also been done in the US that show a correlation linking high pregnancy rates of young, unmarried women to those that smoke. When I see a young woman smoking, I see a red flag that says "I'm easy"...sorry Mrs. Gomez if that offends you...besides, I've NEVER seen a tattoo on a woman that made her more attractive...again, it is an advertisement that says "I'm easy"...you're a very young woman Mrs. Gomez, of course I don't expect you to see my point of view...but you are going to look very silly walking around on the beach with those tatoos when you're in your 50's (even 40's)...

No, Mrs. Gomez, if I wasn't good in bed, I wouldn't post it...but if you like, I'll give you some references.

Regarding bringing Colombian people and their links to drugs into this discussion...it is out of line...everyone who knows me, knows I love Colombia and Colombian people, maybe as much as some natives. But, based on my life experiences and studies that have been done, I have a right to believe what I want concerning women who smoke, have tattoos, etc. One day when your daughter comes home with cigarrette breath and a tattoo, you had better put her on birth control pills FAST! Remember this 20 years from now...

Sorry if I offended you, but that's life sometimes...the truth hurts.

spy1984 says on Jul 17, 2005, 14:23:

Smoking Is discusting. I could care less if she is a virgin..Stinking dirty breath..What good is a woman if you can't kiss her..Very manly as well. Like kissing a dragon. Hair stinks, mouth stinks, clothes stick..Just gross.

I would run the other way to Greenday. However, we are not her tye as well. Too successful, intelligent and classy..Trust me, I have read enough.

Wow, Greenday, you last post could not be more truthful.. Only the brainwashed MTV crowd will not recognize it. And you will never convince them either. As you said, she will learn the hard way.

utopiacowboy says on Jul 17, 2005, 14:29:

In reference to Greenday's comments I have noticed one thing about strippers - every single one of them is tatooed and pierced. I have never encountered a stripper who didn't have at least one tatoo or piercing. So what does that tell you?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

kernow62 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:09:

That they should put their clothes on!

Rubiazo says on Jul 17, 2005, 18:52:

How would you know If you're 'good in bed' or not if you only have sex with virgins? What the hell do they know?

I find the idea that a women SHOULD be a virgin to be disgusting and offensive! Give me my women with a whole world of experience. By the time I get around to getting busy I'm way to tired to have to show some newbie the ropes. :P

morphus says on Jul 17, 2005, 21:53:

i like virgin girls that just lay there like a lump on the log :)

Peter Miami says on Jul 18, 2005, 11:44:

Viva reggaeton! I think some of you guys here are crazy. If you do not like reggaeton do not listen to it. I do not like country music but I do not ask for a band, I just do not go to country music establishment or listen to country music on the radio. We have now gone from music to women that smoke, have tattoos and piercing are whores. What are you smoking, who are you guys to judge people, do not look at them if you do not want. I love dancing and like a lot of different types of music. Viva reggaeton!

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 18, 2005, 12:49:

hey Peter now you know and I know, when we go to a club or bar, and want to get laid, we ALWAYS look for the girls with tattoos, and those who smoke...it's just a fact...no big deal...and if they are dancing like whores to Raggeaton, it even increases the chances of wild sex with them...I'm not judging, it's just the facts of life.

Peter Miami says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:54:

I guess I look at it differently, I see a girl dancing and if I like how she looks, I go up to her and ask her to dance. I do not think, I say she is a hoe because she is dancing to reggaeton. I like wild women just look at my pictures but I do not categorize them from a type of dance. I have seen some wild chick and I may say she is probably easy in bed but not from dancing, I probably do it from her mannerisms, which I guess it is not politically correct. But come on because they smoke and because they have tattoos? I will agree with you some women with tattoos are hoe’s i.e. strippers, biker chicks, etc. but not all of them are.

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 18, 2005, 16:50:

ok Peter... but I'll tell you what I told Mrs. Gomez...one day when your 17 year old daughter comes home with cigarette breath and a tattoo, you had better put her on birth control pills FAST, because she is having sex with someone, and not saving herself for her husband, and she will end up pregnant if not careful... You can take THAT to the bank my friend!!

misterB says on Jul 18, 2005, 20:01:

People have been thinking the same thing about dancing and certain types of music for one hellish of a long time.

When Ray charles combined gospel music into a secular fashion it wasn't just a few people that thought that those who partook ought to burn in hell for that. As far as reggaeton, i think it's all relative to the times. It's the younger generations music. You could also compare the last few generations to the next and note on average they are becoming more whorish as the years go by.

If your a Ray Charles fan, your not going to burn in hell. Similarly, liking reggaeton and dancing to it, does not necessarily make one a whore.

greenday says on Jul 18, 2005, 20:16:

misterB they are only whores if they are puffing on a cigarrette, and shaking their booty tattoos, while dancing to raggaeton...

I will have to do a google search though, and see if pregnancy rates among unmarried young women went up right after Ray Charles became popular...lol

misterB says on Jul 19, 2005, 00:12:

greenday "and see if pregnancy rates among unmarried young women went up right after Ray Charles became popular...lol"

funny that you say that, because the man had a dozen kids and was only married twice..and the offspring weren't all from his marriages...doh!

talk about an analogy killer!

soccerstud says on Jul 19, 2005, 00:23:

HOLY AS*F*CK man everyone needs to open their minds to different kinds of music and genres and if u don't like them then just don't listen u have that choice u know. if u r at a club take a break and go to the bathroom or for a smoke or a drink or something no one is making u listen. but i do agree that some of the things they say are degrading. women r not whores nor bitches just because they enjoy sex as much as men do how would u guys like it if because u got laid all the times people started to call u names and looked down upon u and sort of outcasted u for it. wouldn't feel good would it. women r humans too and they enjoy pleasure as much as the next person so give them a little respect. and u know not everyone is perfect so just because they smoke or they happen to be artisticly inclined and like to decorate their bodies with tattoos makes them all whores and bitches.

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 00:45:

bad for your morality don't listen to reggaeton....i mean these lyrics are a disgrace to women
and these are no better
and you might as well start getting ready to backslap a hoe after listening to these gems
Bottom line...yeah sure not all reggaton is the roses but those that paint all reggaeton lovers with the same brush are just as bad as those colombians that paint all americans with the same brush.
Oh and i smoke and have 3 tattoos and i like dancing....all i need is a sex change to be a hoe....

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 00:48:

mistake the first link is a dud....twas meant to link to the lyrics for Don Omar's Dile

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 01:15:

3rd time lucky xxx reggaeton lyrics

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 05:09:

OK Evidently I'm not getting through to some of you, so I'll have to be a little more direct, and if that offends some, then I'm sorry, but that's life, but what I'm posting is FACT.

Women need to be VERY careful about their behavior and how they are viewed by men. If you want to be respected, have a man who adores you, is loyal, you need to change your behavior.

Regarding Raggeaton...when I go to Colombia, I very rarely go to discos or clubs. I'm always in the company of a very nice lady, so we usually go out to dinner, go to a small club and listen to music, etc., etc. However, if I wanted to go out solo and pick up a woman, I would have a few choices on where to go...a small bar like Raggea & pop in Chipichape, a salsa/merenegue club, or a Raggeaton club. Of course, if I wanted to get lucky I would choose a Raggaeton club. Why?? Because there will be more women dancing provocatively, more women smoking,, and more tattooed women. Women who shake their booties provocatively to Raggaeton music are sending a signal to men saying "I'm easy, come and get me"...sorry, but it's a fact.

When I see a woman with low cut jeans and the typical tattoo across her bottom back area, it's like the advertisements they put on the back of buses, "I'm easy, come and get me"...and forget about the crap about tattoos being art and making someone more beautiful...that's horse crap. I've NEVER seen a woman made more beautiful by adding tattoos to her body...it just makes her look more trashy and sends out signals to men that she is easy.

Now, combine the two above with a woman who smokes, and BINGO, you're going to have some heavy duty sex that night. Women who smoke have NO RESPECT for their bodies...as a large majority, they are EASY.

Now, of course, like everything in life, there are exceptions...you might smoke, have tattoos, and shake your asses provocatively to raggaeton music, and be a nun...BUT THE MEN ARE GOING TO VIEW YOU AS EASY...

Ladies, these are just the hard facts. You might not like them...it's too bad a few of the guys on this board won't admit it. But when they go to a Raggaeton club, they have one thing on their mind...hooking up and getting laid.

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 06:12:

sorry to disagree with you greenday old fella...i for one do not got to a reggaeton nightclub to get lucky....in fact if i wanted to get lucky i always knew where to head to.....the local whorehouse.
I'll be more than happy to admit that i go to a reggaeton club to get laid but unfortunately i've never had much luck in nightclubs and in the very rare occassion i do happen to frequent such an establishment it's to do what you are supposed to do in a nightclub.....dance.
I want company, i go see a female friend
I want nookie, i go whorehouse
i want food, i go restaurant
i want wacky baccy, i go see my fwiend
i wanna listen to reggaton, i go see my PC
i wanna dance reggaeton, i go clubbing...pretty simple really.

PS is this the same greenday that rebuked me for calling Pereiranas zordas? I think you doing a bit of generalising yourself my fwiend.

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:06:

no cockney you still don't get it...but based on some of the private messages from some of the females here, they get it...some have thanked me for bringing this out. besides, you posted that you have a steady girlfriend, what are you doing going to whorehouses, and going to see female friends to get laid?? Does your girlfriend know about this??

No my friend, you would never understand where I'm coming from...unfortunately the truth hurts sometimes. Women's behavior, what they do, how they behave, what kind of clubs they visit cause these generalizations, and the majority of the time it is true. Now I'm sure that there are these types in Pereira, and all other cities in Colombia and the U.S.

bottom line, show me a girl with a tattoo, smoking, and shaking her ass in a Raggaeton club, and I guarantee you, she puts out. You really need to get out more, and leave your girlfriend at home.

And what's this old fella thing??

P.S. at the local whorehouse I PROMISE you, the majority of the girls there have tattoos, probably smoke, and DEFINTITELY dig raggaeton music...ask them next time you go.

morphus says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:25:

makes sense go to the Reggaeton club and get a freebie from a puta on her day off...lol.

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:28:

Greenday open your mind and listen to what you are saying. I go to clubs every weekend I love to dancing, talking to women, firtying with them. Do I like to get lucky, of course, I do very well picking up women here in Miami and everywhere else I go. This does not mean nor do I think that they are whores. Would I classify some as being easy of course but to say that they are whores because they smoke, have tattoos and dance to reggaeton is crazy. Think about it? Can I ask how old are you? Because I am not a young kid I am almost forty but I act much younger except for my career.

Peter Miami

morphus says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:33:

thats funny i actually met a guy from Australia in Cartagena that had a puta girlfriend. she smoked and had tattoos. he was a young guy around 25y/o. i had a beer with him and he told me if she she did'nt make any business that night she would go home with him for free. i thought it was kind of strange. i think these might be the type of hos Greenday is meeting at Reggaeton clubs.

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:38:

Peter read my posts above...I said these things make them look "easy"...some people define "easy" women as being whores...sorry...besides, they are whores for being easy, and it just so happens that the majority of whores have tattoos and smoke...

Now, tell me, how many of the women that you get lucky with have tattoos, smoke, and love raggaeton??...get back to me on that.

Regarding my age...it doesn't matter...I've been around long enough to notice these things.

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:38:

I do very well picking up women but if I had to rate it by music in their order it would be Electronic/Trance/House, Freestyle, Hip Hop, Salsa/Merengue/Reggaeton. Of course, here in the U.S. I go to electronic, trance and house music dance clubs 90% of the time.

I would never rate it like this but your logic does not hold true for me. Just speaking about music not counting the other stuff. I would prefer women that don't smoke but if I like them I do not care. As for tattoos either way is fine with me.

Peter Miami

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:41:

Why are you scare to say your age.

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:42:

easy morphus I already stated that I don't go to reggaeton clubs, nor am I a fan of the music...better read my posts a little closer.

But if I ever wanted a whore (non-pro), my first stop would be a raggaeton club, and I would search out the women with tattoos, and who smoked. Bingo, I would score very easily...

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:47:

peter I'm not afraid of much in life...you didn' state your exact age...does that mean you are afraid to?? There are many details of my life that I keep secret on these forums, age is one of them. Keeps you guys wondering...sorry.

And don't you know it's not polite to ask someone their age?? Please don't ask any of the girls you meet in a night club that...you might offend them...lol

But please Peter, since you're such the playboy, start keeping track of your weekend conquests, and I'm sure after a matter of time, you will concur that most of them smoke, havve tattoos, or maybe both...and also mix in a little love for raggaeton.

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:47:

I sleep with a lot of women, I am a male hoe but I am not married nor do I have a girlfriend. I have not gotten married because I am not ready. When I get married I will not be with other women just my wife. I would say 60% do not have tattoos and 40 % have tattoos of the women I have gone to bed with.

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:51:

damn you're not sleeping with too many if you can pull those percentages off the top of your head?? At least wait 30-45 minutes and come back with a statistic like that.

But I commend you for taking you time, and not getting married yet...enjoy life...

P.S. I'm sure the low percentage of tattooed women you have bedded correlates to the fact that rarely freqeuent raggaeton clubs.
Thanks for proving my point!!

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:02:

Greenday I am thirty-nine years old. You are a man not a woman, I know not to ask women their age. There is a reason I ask you for your age but I will respect if you do not want to say. You could be very smart I am not questioning your intelligence. But I believe I know about clubs and different types of music more than you. I have been going to dance clubs since I was 17 years old, that is twenty two years so I think I know what I am talking about. Now because of my career I go on weekends only but before the age of 17 to around 30 I would go out 3 to five days a week. I have also owned two dance / nightclubs in South Beach. Do you think I know a little of what I am talking about. There are a lot of whores in the street and a lot of women have lost their respect I am not arguing this. My point is that a woman that likes to dance reggaeton who smokes and has a tattoo is not a whore because she does these three things. There are other factors that play into the equation. Are there some women who have these three qualities are whores off course there are. Do you understand what I am trying to tell you?

Peter Miami

caslug says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:06:

GD.. "I already stated that I don't go to reggaeton clubs"..

If you dont go to the clubs HOW do you know they are easy? Do you hang outside the clubs and pick them up as they go home?

MORE importantly, where are the Reggaeton clubs in Medellin, Peirera or Cali. Inquiring minds want to know...

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:11:

yes sir, I understand but again I say...as far as whores go...there are a greater percentage that have tattoos, smoke, and frequent raggaeton clubs, than those that don't...

WOMEN WHO HAVE TATTOOS, SMOKE, are easier than those that don't...AND probably are more into raggaeton...

And I will tell you this, as I have told others...one day when you do get married and have children, and your 17 year old daughter comes home with cigarette breath and a tattoo, you had better put her on birth control pills, because she is having sex with someone.

I will say, I am older than you, and I would wager, maybe better looking and in better shape...don't take offense, since you pressed me for that response.

Good luck this weekend with the girls...just watch out for those with tattoos!!!

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:29:

caslug n/t

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:32:

sorry everyone if I offended any whores (or maybe ruined the thoughts of anyone going to a raggaeton club this weekend)...they are really nice girls...and the tattoos can come off with a little laser treatment...and a nicotine patch can work...they are all good girls I promise...I know your moms will just love them!!

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 15:11:

lol very funny greenday....i was being of a practical disposition when i wrote earlier...of course if i want nookie now i had better bash the bishop 'cause i ain't getting no nookie until october...the whorehouse thing is in the past, i was writing an example of what i would do should i not be tied down with my current commitments, it's just that i wouldn't go to a reggaeton club to get laid....i've been a bit around the block and all this womanising/let's slepp with as many women as i can just isn't me...the ol fella you won't get (it's a UK thing)....and conversely i had a girlfriend who didn't smoke and didn't have tatoos, she sure didn't like reggaeton yet she was the most promiscous female i have ever encountered....

greenday says on Jul 19, 2005, 19:18:

sorry cockney but if you read my previous posts, there are exceptions to every rule...

Regarding Peter, I was just reminded by a female poster who is a supporter of mine in this discussion to view peter's pic gallery...Peter, I was right, I am much better looking than you, and definitely in much better shape...not to mention a few years older. Those Colombian skanks in those pics might impress some...but it ain't your looks & charm that getting them...more like a dead president with the initials B.F. It's funny, those who are drawn to whores will defend them in a heart beat. Not my kind of women for sure...
No, Peter my friend, I know what I'm talking about....and a little advice...lose the skull cap...

Rubiazo says on Jul 19, 2005, 20:00:

who cares if those women are 'whores' or not. I say VIVA LAS PUTAS! Greenday seems to have a problem with women who like to have sex. I have a problem with women OR men who seem to have something against sex and feel the need to judge other people for having a good time. Frankly, a woman with a tattoo who listens to regueton sounds like somebody i'd much rather know than greenday!!

Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 20:16:

GD Hey greeday let me see your pictures to see what you look like since you are so good looking. And I am not going to sit here and put you down like you try to do with me. Like they say, "Hate the game not the player". You talk real big because you hide behind the computer. Let me know if you want to meet and we will see what the outcome will be. You are a punk that does not give your age, pictures or anything and just try to put music and women down. How I would love to meet you in person.

Peter Miami

Rubiazo says on Jul 19, 2005, 20:42:

I looked at peter's pix I don't see why the women in Peter's photo section need to be referred to as 'skanks'. You don't know fuck-all about them. Some of them look great IMO, and I dont think any of them look like 'skanks'. Besides, at least he has the balls to put some photos up. WTF are the rest of you ashamed of, (the ones who feel the need to personally trash him.)

Bottom line, anybody who feels the need to make blanket statements against a style of music, or against ALL women who have tattooes etc. is a REACTIONARY and INTOLERANT. For that matter, what freaking YEAR do we live in where people still have to talk about people who have lots of sex as if it were a BAD thing and something to be ASHAMED of? Didn't that kind of warped backwoods thinking go out with the 60s? If reguetón (note the spelling PLS) encourages more 'promiscuity' i say FUCK YEAH TURN THAT SHIT UP. And if you don't like it, THERE'S THE OCEAN. Jump in, the water's fine!!!
Just cause your sex lives are miserable dont come dumping on the rest of us!!

caslug says on Jul 19, 2005, 20:58:

Man.. GD.. stop hating and start loving.. why bash Peter, CC or anyone if they disagree with you. Blanket statement can made in jest, but if you believe in them then maybe you'll miss out on finding a gem. I've taken girls to see the theater, opera or museum and gotten action afterwards. Does that mean that ALL chics that like Puccini or Sargent are easy? of course not. Beside what's the different between you taking some girl(high class) to a nice restaurant, cozy bar, etc., or Peter picking girls up a reggaton or other clubs. Because at the end of the night both of you are lying in bed with your date, just different approaches.

While you maybe better looking than brad pitt, dating Ms. Colombia and have more money than bill gates. It really doesn't mean squat on internet or if we met you in person. So unless you plan to donate money or chicks to some us "lesser" males, no one cares what you look like, how rich you are, or how hot your GF is.

greenday says on Jul 20, 2005, 04:22:

Peter based on your pics, you couldn't punch your way out of a wet paper bag (without having a heart attack)...A guy who brags about being a playboy shouldn't post up pics of himself when he's an overweight, bald guy, says he's 39 but looks like he's 59...and,please be real, there might be some things you can school me on, (like how to dress like a fool), but schooling me on women is not one of them.

BTW, I've had alot of the women on this forum ask me for my pics, but you're the first man...PM me an e-mail address, and you might just get lucky...

quindioman says on Jul 20, 2005, 04:54:

greenday i wouldn't be so harsh on Peter....each to his own...if he likes to party good luck to him, he seems to enjoy it...those pics are not bad at all, i've seen far far worse (a couple were actually real lookers)...and i don't think he looks 59 (you exagerating there a bit fella)....i wonder what your description of me would be if i were to post some photos....lol

elmodefoque says on Jul 20, 2005, 05:07:

i'm not sure how colombian guys think but this old modefoque loves strippers and hookers, and regular broads that enjoy getting drunk and HIGH with tatoos and bellie percing that you cleary see while they dance reagatton.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Jul 20, 2005, 05:11:

my broad is gotta be 20 years younger and in couple years is gonna go up to 25.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 20, 2005, 07:17:

Some regueton lyrics are discusting, but there are another ones quite nice like one of the Los Sicarios "la beso en la disco......" I seen some girls dancing regueton and is quite sexy.
BTW I don't smoke neither have a tatoo but I don't think a girl that have them and smoke are whores.;-)

engage brain before opening mouth

tomtom33 says on Jul 20, 2005, 07:27:

Kat You don't smoke or have tattoos, but are you easy?

I really thought that GD was kidding when he started this. Beats me how a seemingly intelligent person can hold such opinions.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 20, 2005, 08:03:

easy going ;-)

engage brain before opening mouth

Peter Miami says on Jul 20, 2005, 11:42:

Greenday If you tell where you live I will fly out there on my own dime and we will see what you can do. Come on bring on, I am waiting. Your mother didn't teach how to respect women but I will definitely give you a lesson, if you come out from behind the computer.

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 20, 2005, 12:19:

It's YOU who doesn't respect women you only view women as sex objects my friend...regarding your threat...yeah, right...PM me with an e-mail address, maybe we can arrange something. but please, make sure you show up...I'm a busy man and can't afford to have my precious time wasted...LOL

P.S. if you come...PLEASE don't wear that stupid skull cap...hehehe

Peter Miami says on Jul 20, 2005, 12:25:

I am going to PM you right now! Don't hide because I am coming after you punk.

Peter Miami

greenday says on Jul 20, 2005, 12:50:

you've been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies....
LOL!!!

soccerstud says on Jul 20, 2005, 16:06:

peter don't sink to his level u know ur better than that. he is an immature stoneaged thinking closed minded numbskull who needs new neurons in his brain because the ones he had, if he ever had any to begin with, died from being overcritical of other people who actually have lives.

morphus says on Jul 20, 2005, 16:37:

ha ha "Clint Eastwood movies....
LOL"

from the way Greenday describes himself, he thinks he's Don Johnson. too many Miami Vice episodes...lol.

utopiacowboy says on Jul 20, 2005, 17:58:

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Everyone on playground rushes to see WTF is going on. Of course one can always try the old playground standby, "Wanna fight? Stick your head up your ass and fight for air."

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

lockheed says on Jul 23, 2005, 13:13:

Reggatton tsunami Hi everybody I realy missed you guys, and I am back.
I am telling you this Reggaeton like it or not is taking the industry by storm, you notice alot of popular songs come now with normal and reggaeton version. You guys should listen to the # 9 song on the new Aventura album "gods project" it's called ELLA Y YO, its a deep song with Aventura & Don Omar.
To all you Olga Tanon and Gilberto Santa Rosa lovers they will be in concert in Curacao I think begining of August, I love Olga's nice behind. No disrespect but that Cali salsa is so boring, it makes me sleep, it need sabor sason, some flavor, some Caribean spice.
All the guys I know that listen to Niche do it so they can score with the Calenas. But everybody with it's own taste.

BAQ says on Jul 23, 2005, 16:41:

HUMM Well, here in Barranquilla, my wife (who is a school teacher) says the kids are starting to sing the songs at school, which is a problem and the "Community" as a whole here does not approve of the music.

I, on the other hand think as long as the women who love reggaeton are dancing in the streets topless, it's not a problem hahaha.

Semper Fidelis !

nanis says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:37:

Oh my god this thread is so funny, I love cowboy’s sense of humour! You people are mad! So I guess I’m now officially categorised as being a whore for having tattoos (2 on my lower and upper back to be more specific). And I guess because of this and the fact that I like dancing reggaeton men are going to assume that I am going to bed them all and whoever dances with me have a chance… you must be dreaming mate! Who the hell do you think you are? You must be thick in your head to think that a lady who happens to like dancing and that has 2 tattoos is going to bed you quicker than one who doesn’t, I must introduce you to an old friend who went to the best University in Bogotá with a wealthy family and lots of money categorised as a very pure nice girl who earns £3000 ($6000) per night as a high class hooker and no she doesn’t have tattoos!

You lot who think like that must be married to nuns! Oh wait a minute nuns can’t get married! So you must be married to girls who were gonna be nuns but didn’t make it so I guess they weren’t as pure after all! Listen to yourselves I do agree with you that there are some girls out there who are way too easy but that’s their problem and their asses too! I for one have a good sex life but that does not mean I go sleeping with everybody, I enjoy sex but that does not mean that I am a whore either, it only means that I am not afraid to admit that I am a human being who have needs as any other.

Not being vain or anything but guys do chat me quite a lot not because of my tattoos though, my husband always told me that the first thing he noticed about me was my lovely rounded booty and I wasn’t wearing nothing short because I don’t dress as a hoocker either! I was wearing normal pants that happened to be a bit tight you know the ones that sell in studiof. So I guess I’m even more of a whore now because I not only have 2 tattoos and dance to reggaeton but I also have a big booty! Yeah men do drool over me sometimes but that does not mean I f*ck them all! We’re on the XXI century guys women are not longer expected to wear long skirts and to cover themselves up, to stay at home cook and clean and to be virgins unless you are a muslim or something you guys need to become one of those and stop criticizing the rest of us, how would you like it when us ladies call you perros?? Not all men cheat and not all women are whores if I lady calls a guy a perro it’s because they have had some bad experience with them in the past so my question to greenday is.. Have you had a bad experience with a “whore� in the past? May be your angry because you expected more from her and she never gave you nothing! In your eyes I might be a whore thank god I don’t give a sh*t of what people think of me.

Peter Miami says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:10:

Mrs.Gomez He is a Moran look at all the points I made to him and he and a couple others did not understand. I am at dance clubs all the time and my friends and me do not look at women like that. He is in the minority and he must be some 60 year old, fat, bald headed man. I agree with you totally.

Peter Miami

nanis says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:25:

yeah tell me about it! he keeps critisizing women and calling us who have tattoos whores but WTF is he? he reminds me of a jewish man i meat a few years ago, he always told his wife not to let other people see her hair and would always go on about how girls who weren't jewish were unpure but he happened to be one of my friend's clients who paid $6000 a night so that my friend could piss on him yeah he liked when she urinated on him! talk about disgussting and ironic! i bet GD is one of those who keep talking about whores but can't stay away from them.. and how does he know so much about easy women? i thought he only went for virgins!! you call us whores for having tattoos and what are you? but a man who treats women like that is no best either!

utopiacowboy says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:35:

I'm a slut, I admit it. You can call me a perro too. Woof! Woof!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:48:

My Reggaeton Story After watching this thread get somewhat heated and out of hand(and LMFAO about it), I just had to find out what all the fuss was about.

So I asked a friend who I thought would know about these things what the score was.

I had assumed Reggaeton was just the full name for Reggae when I first started reading this - I hate Reggae can't stand it - even Bob Marley was one over-rated mofo IMHO.

However, my friend assured me it wasn't anything like Reggae and copied me some CD's to listen to.

I've listened to them, thoroughly enjoyed them (despite not really understanding the lyrics) and have come to the conclusion that anyone who would make generalizations, like the ones that have been made on this thread, must be past retirement age.

Even me with my two left feet can tell it makes great music to dance to. So you may be an old man sat there waving your walking stick at us "young 'un's" saying how morally bankrupt we all are for listening to this music, and specifically generalising about the women who listen to it, but I can categorically say you are talking about what you do not know and should stick to your Frank Sinatra LP's so as to no longer offend your own delicate sensibilities.

Vio_dancer says on Aug 26, 2005, 12:44:

This is sweet Hi

I was just browsing and had to create an account here and post, simply because this is one intense and hilarious thread of posts.

So here are my 2 cents.

As far as "the woman saving herself for her husband" this is old-school thinking to say the least. If Iwas to take a guess, I would say it indicates quite an old age!! *lol*

About me - I'm young and I love to dance like crazy simply because I love the music and I have tons of energy. I don't smoke simply because it is not healthy and I don't have tattoos because I could not decide on something.
On the other hand, I don't have an ounce of 'whore' or 'hoe' in my body - I assure you. That is an understatement.

Smoking, tattoos and crazy dancing might indicate the temper of a girl but it may be way off too - I am a prime example.

As far as raggeaton goes.. I can't speak Spanish. I understand a few words but the rhythm makes me move. It's beautiful and sexy.. very alive. Let's take dancing for what it is.
(whatever this means to each of you individually)

best regards

Cristina

Vio_dancer says on Aug 26, 2005, 13:02:

PS

It looks that I don't know how to spell reguetón.

Sorry ;-)

So, Peter Miami, how did things go with greenday? I have to say I burst out in laughter 3-4 times while reading this thread. My goodness!! *giggle*

Greenday, don't feel threatened (I know this is difficult). You are entitled to your opinions even if no one else agrees with you -- as long as you don't enforce them on others and I most definitely don't think that you do.

Peter - I respect you :)

For the rest of the girls out there.. dance it up :p

Miguel says on Aug 26, 2005, 13:09:

Deal With It It's happening. Good or bad es LA VERDAD. Reggaetón, that is.

tomtom33 says on Aug 26, 2005, 13:36:

Cristina Are you saving yourself?

I think Peter is in Colombia looking for tattooed smokers who dance wildly.

greenday says on Aug 26, 2005, 19:12:

Hey It's great to see that my favorite thread is alive and well...

And Christina, I'm glad you're enjoying Raggaeton...sorry, but women who shake their asses in Raggaeton clubs just don't make a good impression on me, that's all...but if you like it, have fun with it...
just remember, the guys are going to assume you're easy that's all.

Regarding Peter in Miami...we were supposed to meet up, but he was a NO SHOW...imagine that!!

BTW: Blonde James Bond...what's an LP??

Buongone says on Aug 27, 2005, 00:24:

Crappy Music Personnally, I don't care for Salsa much. Boring to me. Just stand and move your hips. Kind of get with it. I fell dancing is a form of expression. I like a mixture of some good music, but it's has too have some bad ass guitar to go with it. Now that is music to dance to. Also kind of nice to listen to! Makes the evening much more enjoyable. People seem to Loosen up more.

Buongone says on Aug 27, 2005, 00:28:

Rite On! Well Said. Sounds like these guys are CO Nerds. Either they don't know much or just trying to get a rise out of people.

Vio_dancer says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:17:

*lol*

I can't even answer that *lol*

Vio_dancer says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:23:

Greenday Hey

You're alive!
You're mistaken. I shake my ass in the comfort of my own room and only sometimes in a club. I would have to say that I dance by myself most of the time, I only need the music, no audience. I don't go for a reaction from people, I think dancing is a way of expressing the enjoyment for the music.
Not to mention a great exercise too.

True dancing is for yourself not for anyone else. And it really should not matter what you look like, sometimes you can look like a fool too and still enjoy it very much.

The guys get the right idea as soon as (or if) they try to approach. I can even say that it takes more than a style of dancing to give off that vibe. I am virtually unapproachable except by my own friends. I sometimes dance right on top of the speakers or something similar so then there really isn't even close contact :p

I really don't like the wimpy girls that just can't say "no" if a guy tries to dance with them.

Peter was a no show? *laugh*

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:36:

Greenday I have to disagree with your fundamental argument. Reggaeton has nothing to do with whether you're a ho or not. The same type of girls that hang out in a club where they play reggaeton music are the same type of girls that hang out in hip hop clubs. And I'm here to tell you in case you don't know, you can do just as much parking lot pimping at a rock club as you can at a hip hop or reggaeton club.

You just don't like reggaeton, and that's fine. The real issue is that when you have a bunch of young people together, with the social pressure of looking good, who are there with the express purpose of interacting with the opposite sex through dancing, throw in some alcohol, and somebody's getting laid, regardless of what the DJ is playing.

I will grant you that getting a tattoo means that maybe the individual doesn't quite value their body they way they should. Maybe their estimation of themselves has tapered off a little bit. Same thing with scantily clad women (whether they're dancing to Reggaeton or some skateboarding rock trash). If you're out of the house showing all the goodies to the entire world, then maybe you don't value yourself very highly. But to blame it on reggaeton, which clearly you do as you are writing in this thread, is WAY off base. We can go out any night of the week and I'll prove that it ain't about the music in the club. Assuming my gf doesn't mind me participating in this little experiment....

Vio_dancer says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:38:

Buongone Darn it, this thread is funny.

Here is my 2 cents - again

#1 Opinion / taste is not arguable and is quite individual. It is impossible to dictate to others things like what is "nice". Right?

#2 This is a chat forum. That's the point. It's for chatting, arguing, discussing etc.

#3 I am guessing "CO" means Columbia? For the rest of us that don't know the lingo like yourself, or aren't even remotely Columbian but enjoy the music or simply enjoy talking about things, you think it's ok to talk here, no harm intended?

Thank you.


Cristina from Ottawa - Canada.. yeah that's right - up north!

PS we don't have 'raggaeton clubs' here.

nanis says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:51:

oh not again!!! hey now that you bring back this subject i thought i should let you guys know that i went to this reggaeton party on saturday that was my first night out since i got back from cali and i really enjoyed myself although i'm not too sure what impression i gave cuz i was dancing so much my hair and clothes got wet from all my sweat i think i burnt so much calories that i now look like if i had lost weight! ;) ohh but what would people think??? a girl with wet clothes, wet hair, with 2 tattoos on her back dancing sexy to reggaeton music! oh the embarrasement!! so filthy and dirty!!! girls like me should be banned from going clubbing where virgins, nuns and nice girls go clubbing or is that the other way round?? never mind not like they go clubbing anyway! haha oh please! as if i cared what people say! i dance reggaeton cuz it has a good rhythm a good vibe just like hip hop it makes me feel alive and happy and makes me wanna shake my booty! but i'm like that with all types of music you should see me dancing salsa! and about the tattoos well... i got them cuz i feel sexy, i feel comfortable with them, and i think they are really cool every person is different and we should respect others opinions but why do "others" feel the need to criticize and label girls like me? a man who think that a girl will go to bed with them just because she smokes is really deluded and should get out more cuz he clearly doesn't know much about dating women! sorry no punt intended with noone i don't want this to turn into a nasty brawl :) but please stop thinking like this if a girl wants to go to bed with every man she sees then is her decision and no one elses but that doesn't mean all girls are like that whether they have tattoos or not! which century are you living in?

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 10:56:

On tattoos.. The girl that DOESN'T get a tattoo doesn't do so because she doesn't want the mark on her body. Why? Because she values her body. They say "I would never do that to myself."

Now, women who HAVE tattoos, such as yourself, you obviously sound very comfortable with yourself. That's cool. I do not claim have you figured out, I don't claim to say "This is what Mrs. Gomez is like."

All we know, is that when the idea of getting a tattoo came up, you didn't say "I would never do that to myself."

nanis says on Aug 29, 2005, 11:09:

sorry cam0940 but i have no idea....wtf are you talking about? i did say that for a while i was really scared of having a permanent mark on my body i though i might regret it but in the end i had it done and i feel comfortable with it it's not like i'm showing it all the time it's just there cuz i feel sexy i don't wear short tops all the time for everybody to see my tattoos i had them done for me and no one else

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 11:15:

It was pretty clear what I said. You have two tattoos. You did not take the position of "I would never do that to myself." OK fine, maybe you weren't gung ho about the idea at first, but look. You have two. That means you--at some point--became open to the idea. End of discussion.

It has very little to do with whether you show them or not. It's that you got them. You made permanent marks on your body. I was very clear in stating that your tattoos are not evidence of what you think of yourself. But they're evidence of certain positions that you did NOT take when the idea came up.

tomtom33 says on Aug 29, 2005, 11:47:

cam Methinks you and GD are peas in a pod.

A tattoo or revealing clothing have very little to do with self worth. It has much more to do with peer behavior.

As far doing things to one's body, father time handles that quite well. Do you avoid sun? Do you consume more calories than you burn? Do you eat high-fat foods? Do you use alcohol? Do you exercise?

The last perfect person was crucified.

elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2005, 12:00:

i'm an old modefoque but i like reagatton. i let my wife drag my old ass to a daddy yankee and carlos vive concert at madison square garden, this past saturday. carlos vive was great but daddy's young puerto rican dancers stole the show, to be honest that's what i remember the most.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 12:03:

No, GD and I are not peas in a pod. My first post on this thread--which I was going to sit out of--was specifically written to disagree with GD on most points except the tattoos.

For the third time: having a tattoo doesn't make you promiscous. Having a tattoo doesn't mean you have low self esteem. Having a tattoo doesn't make you a bad person.

What it DOES mean, is that you didn't object to the idea.

People who DO object to the idea do so because they believe it cheapens them, a tattoo is a permanent marking on your body, and they just refuse to do that to themselves. The respect they have for thier bodies is what keeps them from getting tatted.

If you go and get a tattoo, well, then we know you obviously didn't feel that way. If you got a tattoo, I don't claim to know how you felt about the subject at the time. I just know that you didn't hold yourself to the same standard as those that refuse to get them.

It's such an obvious observation I can't see how anyone could disagree. Maybe I should give an example.

Abortion. A lot of women won't have an abortion because they believe it's fundamentally wrong, it's unfair to the baby, and they absolutely would not have an abortion regardless of the circumstances. Fine.

Now you've got another girl who not only has had one abortion, but she's had two.

I don't claim to know what's going through this second girl's mind. It's totally her business. All I'm saying is that she's obviously open to the idea, and she doesn't have the same convictions as the first girl who refused to do it.

greenday says on Aug 29, 2005, 12:28:

Hey cam0940 Don't take it as an insult that some consider you and I "2 peas in a pod"...after all,there are a few women on this forum who have seen my pics,and have gotten to know me...maybe someday they'll tell you about me, and you'll see that it's a compliment!!

As for you Mrs. Gomez, I remember seeing your pics, and you're quite attractive, but I'm just relating to you what the majority of men think about women who smoke, have tattoos, and shake their asses in Raggaeton clubs. I'm sorry that most men on this forum don't have the balls to tell the truth...I think they are just trying to impress some of the women here, since they can't do it in REAL LIFE...Mrs. Gomez, as far as me getting "out" more...please, if you only knew. It's also funny that you hate it that I judge you without knowing you, but on the other hand, you think I'm some kind of ugly "prude" that doesn't have a life...oh well...

As far as me liking raggaeton...I've tried to listen to it, but it's basically the same beat, and as far as the "lyrics" go...hey, just like hip hop, it's just music designed to get people horny, designed to degrade women...yeah, maybe there are a few positive songs, but mostly NOT...and the lyrics have no reason...I mean, how many times can you listen to "Dame más gasolina"???...Sorry Mrs. Gomez, when you were shaking your ass on that speaker, with your tattoos, the men weren't looking at you like you were a nun, that's for sure...but yeah, have fun with it...I'm just telling you what men think when they look at you.

Now, for those of you that like Raggaeton, that's great, I'm not putting you down for it...I'm just telling the women what the men REALLY think, that's all...

Now, I must get back to the monastary...

P.S. I love this thread!!!

nanis says on Aug 29, 2005, 12:32:

oh my god you make me laugh! what on earth has abortion got to do with me having tattoos? please don't compare me like that shame on you! so i guess you respect your body so much that all you do is breathe clean air, eat vegetables, excersise, and drink plenty of water. i guess you have never smoked, never drink alcohol and you never ever eat junk food because that would be harming your own body with toxins and garbage that's bad for you. yes i do respect my body and i respect myself most of all having a tattoo has nothing to do with self-respect that's your own opinion.

if a person feels cheap it's in their own mind! what is cheap anyway? why would a person feel cheap? cheap to me is something low and discasting something with no value i guess, but why would a person feel this way? because somebody has made them feel like this! they feel like they have to be better than they are just to impress others they live by what other people think, and how other people think they should live, they live by other people's rules and if that's true then they have some serious problem! because everyone should be an individual with their own ideas and opinions.

nanis says on Aug 29, 2005, 12:46:

ok greenday whatever you say! men think i'm a low class prostitute who sleeps with everyone just because i shake my booty and have two tattos, but that's that mean i care? no!! that's that mean i go to bed with them? no!! like my husband says... let them look because i'm the only one who's touching! haha listen sweetheart i am not one of those girls all i do is dance and not with everyone because to be honest i don't let many people near me i only dance with my husband or my friends that's all! if a man is watching me dance and thinking whatever he's thinking that's his problem because he hasn't got a chance with me! i'm not easy and that's what you can't understand just get that through your head sweety just because i dance reggaeton does not mean i bed everyone in the nightclub let them think whatever they think at the end of the day they know they haven't got a chance with me! and let just drop this subject because is getting too boring! we're never going to agree so i'll let you win..
you a priest me a b*tch end of story! happy??

greenday says on Aug 29, 2005, 13:01:

Mrs. Gomez hey I believe you...I'm just telling you what most men think, that's all...if you read some of my earlier posts, I wrote that not all women fit the stereotype, but MOST do...I agree with you when you say that you're in the minority.

I'll pray a few rosaries for you tonight, OK??

P.S. I love it when you call me "sweetheart" & "sweetie"...

nanis says on Aug 29, 2005, 13:13:

ok sweety! haha please pray for my soul because i'm a real sinner i'm gonna go to hell for dancing reggaeton and not respecting my body! the tattoos add to that too. i'm gonna keep praying because "EL QUE PECA RESA Y EMPATA"

tomtom33 says on Aug 29, 2005, 13:48:

GD I will never impress anyone with photos of me. But I do not need to impress women with my words on this site. Even fat, old guys can score living in Colombia. See my image gallery.

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 14:50:

Mrs Gomez I'm starting to get an idea of what I'm dealing with. First of all, in the context of my argument, I used abortion because it is something people have absolute convictions about. You understand the use of the word "absolute" as it relates to this argument? These are topics where it's easy to find people who are not willing to compromise their beliefs on, period. Abortion is one. Tattoos are one. That's what they have in common.

I used abortion to draw a PARALLEL. You are familiar with the use of the word "parallel" as it relates to this argument? It means "like". So, LIKE women who absolutely refuse to mark their bodies, SOME women are adamantly pro-life. My text clearly says it was an EXAMPLE. Often times in an intellectual discussion, it helps to use a similar EXAMPLE, because it ILLUSTRATES a point, that point being SOME PEOPLE ARE ADAMANT ABOUT WHAT/HOW THEY TREAT THEIR BODIES.

The fact that you went and got the tattoos means that you aren't one of those people, at least not measured by the same standard. And that's it, that's all folks, that's all I was trying to say. And there's really nothing you can come back with to refute that because it just is what it is. For the fourth and final time, that alone doesn't make you a good or a bad person.

GD, I don't think we're alike because I don't think it's the music the DJ is playing that makes a freak a freak. We are not completely opposed, though. You may even be from my generation. Do you remember Friday night, $1 MGD night, and a Madonna song would come on? Justify My Love or something like that? I could stand there at the bar and pretty accurately pick out the ones you have the best chance of going home with that night. You say you've been out alot--surely you have to admit it doesn't matter what the music is.

On my beloved hip-hop. Sadly, there were a couple of groups in the 80s who came out and sold a lot of records with shock value for dirty lyrics. It kind of became a staple for guys who really can't rap and probably shouldn't have a record deal in the first place. The BEST raps of all time are not misogenistic. But take a guy who looks and sounds like the product the record company wants to sell, is limited in vocabulary and scope to not have anything else to say, and willing to say that stuff on the mike, and well, you have an entire subdivision of rap. Particularly a couple of guys called the Ying Yang Twins and their boy Lil Jon. Lately they've been doing a lot of music with Pitbull and a couple of other reggaeton artists. The reggaeton artists are basically copying the same formula that worked for a lot of no talent having rap artists, and singing dirty lyrics for shock value. The reason I say it's sad is because for those people who don't listen to hip-hop music regularly, hearing their lyrics makes it sound like that's all hip-hop is about, when a real hip-hop head would tell you that they're the least talented group in the bunch.

The best artists don't always sell the most records, but he who sells the most records gets the most airplay and that's who you hear in the clubs. Unfortunately, if you don't dig into the subject (and if you don't like the music, I'm not suggesting you do an in depth study, you're not obligated to) then you really don't have a fair chance to recognize that what they're playing is the bottom of the barrel type guys, with the worst lyrics, the worst delivery, and it makes all of hip-hop look denegrating to women, immoral, etc. But it sells, it makes money, and the reggaeton artists copy the subject matter.

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 14:53:

But even then you have some reggaeton like Don Omar and NORE who have songs about their latino heritage and it's cool. They have some songs that don't buy into that misogynistic "let's try to go platinum no matter what we have to say" mentality. And that is pure hip hop. Entirely different from the commercial product on the Top 40 show.

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 15:08:

But finally GD, I DO absolutely agree with you that you can stand there in the club and pretty much pick out who's a "good girl" and who's most likely not.

I'll buy the tattoo as an indicator, but not the strongest. Almost all freaks have tattoos. If it's their babies' names, their babies' Dads' names, an angel, a devil, or a cartoon character, she's guilty till proven innocent. Fine. So most freaks have tattoos, but not all girls who have tattoos are freaks.

Smoking, eh. Debatable. Tongue piercing is a better indicator.

And HOW she dances is a STRONG indicator, but you can dance like a freak to other types of music besides reggaeton. They do it in clubs where they play no hip hop and no reggaeton. It's the body language thing, regardless of what kind of music is on.

greenday says on Aug 29, 2005, 16:14:

cam0940 very good post, and I agree, it doesn't matter what music the DJ is playing...but my point is, and always has been...give me a girl with a tattoo, puffing on a cigarette, shaking her ass in a Raggaeton club, and if she isn't with her boyfriend or husband, someone is going to bang her that night...it's a done deal. And if she is halfway good looking, the guys at the bar are going to be licking their chops, for they KNOW that she is easy...

So the moral of the story is: Women, be careful how you behave, how you treat your body, how you present yourself, because men have a stereotype in mind when it comes to "easy women"...if you want to be respected and want to attract men who respect you, you had better be careful on how you behave and how you present yourself. That's just the way it is...

cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 16:25:

Agreed GD Cause they stick out like sore thumbs.

t25 says on Aug 30, 2005, 14:25:

Wasn't this....... Wasn't this the music that they've tried to ban several times in Puerto Rico?

I think it had to do something with the crime rate exploding (if I'm not mistaken San Juan, PR, not Washington, DC is now the murder capital of the U.S.)

So this must be the Latin equivalent of dancehall music in Jamaica, because I've met Jamaicans that fervently despise dancehall music for all it's violence and sex, and bravado, and would call it anything but reggae music.

cam0940 says on Aug 30, 2005, 14:47:

Think about the statement... "The music had something to do with the crime rate exploding."

You know better. People don't get hypnotized by music, then go out and commit heinous acts against their fellow citizens.

At best, you get an adrenaline rush. If you're a crook after hearing the song, you were probably a crook before the DJ ever put the record on. Just like the girls GD and I were talking about.

The record didn't make them freaks. They were freaks deep inside long before they ever got to the club.

I would agree, reggae and dance hall are distinctly different, dance hall being a more aggressive permutation of its predecessor. But again, just because you have a dancehall song that talks about violence and bravado, doesn't mean you have to discount the entire genre. If that's the case, you might as well throw out the TV too, because they're far more graphic there.

Whatever happened to "home training"? Isn't that what teaches you right from wrong, regardless of what you see on TV or hear in music? I remember growing up, parents could spank their kids without worrying about being arrested (I got plenty of them), you had sex and violence on TV, but you had far fewer delinquents, inmates, and Prozac prescriptions. These days, with parents losing control in the home, we want to blame rap music. Or reggaeton. Or dance hall. People never blame rock music. Metal. Punk.

Those Colombine kids weren't listening to reggaeton, dance hall, or hip hop. Just didn't have any home training.

I remember when I was a kid, no kid would have EVER thought about coming and shooting up the school, regardless of what we were listening to. And of course some of that music had sex and violent innuendos in it. It's all a public opinion campaign against hip hop, reggaeton, and dance hall, as if to say that if this music didn't exist, you wouldn't have any deliquents or crime.

Nonsense.

t25 says on Aug 31, 2005, 06:54:

Read it Again.... "think it had to do something with the crime rate exploding (if I'm not mistaken San Juan, PR, not Washington, DC is now the murder capital of the U.S.)

You know better. People don't get hypnotized by music, then go out and commit heinous acts against their fellow citizens." -- cam0940

You completely took that phrase out of its context. Read it again, in case you didn't understand.



If you still didn't understand, The *BANS* were the government's response to the crime rate explosion.

But agreed, the issue is much deeper than whatever music institutions are trying to ban or to even encourage.

It would be overly simplistic to blame music for any problem in society, since music is merely an outlet for the frustrated and angry youth to begin with. The Jamaicans that I've met, don't blame the dancehall music for violence and sex and bravado that's uprooting their traditional ways.

If anything, they believe that much (not all) of the problem is the "rude boys" who immigrate the US/UK, pick up on destructive tendencies in the american ghettoes, get incarcerated for serious crimes, then go on crime sprees after they get deported back to Jamaica.

BlondeJamesBond says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:35:

BTW: Blonde James Bond...what's an LP?? Greenday - you don't know what an LP is?? Are you still using a gramophone or are you tuning into golden oldie music stations on the old wireless. ;-D

"mmmmmm Smithers, I very much enjoyed this 'iced' cream."

LP = Vinyl. Many musical aficionados will argue that you get a clearer, crisper, more pure sound from vinyl than you do from a CD.

DJ's, you know, those fellas in the clubs creating lots of noise, they tend to use LP's/vinyl to mix their tunes

All musical tastes are catered for on the LP format, just pop into your nearest HMV. You can get your Frank Sinatra on LP, or, and you're not going to believe this, Reggaeton tunes are also available on vinyl.

Enjoy

cam0940 says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:57:

"If you still didn't understand" There is nothing to misunderstand. The statement is clearly in the context that there is a connection between the music and the crime rate. We're not going to get into a chicken and egg debate about what came first, the crime rate explosion or the music. You pointed out that the *BANS* were a response. You (or the government) wouldn't mention them in the same sentence if not to suggest they were connected.

Besides, I gave you credit for knowing better. There's nothing to argue about here.

greenday says on Aug 31, 2005, 08:58:

oh thanks Blonde James Bond you must be alot older than me...thanks for that info...it saved me a "google" search!!!