What about the men?

claudia82 says on Apr 12, 2005, 08:06:

If you are young, thin and young you'll do very good here

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 08:24:

Generalizations I hate the generalize, as many could generalize American men as well. However, all the Colombian men I know (or have even dated) are not faithful. Do you think that a "young thin woman" is just someone to have a good time with and play around with for awhile? Is it common for a Colombiano to settle down with a Colombiana, but to play around with a young gringa? We all know that they have the ability to use beautiful words, whether they mean them or not. Do they see us the same way as they would a Colombiana(a woman to be respected and taken seriously, not just out for a fling that is)?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 12, 2005, 09:31:

I don't think that a lot of Colombianos who haven't been living abroad have had that much chance to "to play around with a young, thin gringa" to have developed some kind of pattern out of it. Most gringos who travel to Colombia are middle-aged men and almost all the single gringas or Europeans that I know have had a time of their life there basking in the attention that they get from Colombian males. Colombian men have absolutely nothing against marrying a foreign woman. However, if you want a serious relationship with a Colombian men you'd have to play by their rules since they have little respect for women that are too "easy". A Colombian man likes to think of himself as the Great Hunter, irresistable and always forgiven for the "mistakes" he often commits. That role is nevertheless reserved only for men.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:13:

Mistakes? When you say "mistakes" are you referring to the mistakes of infidelity? Are they always forgiven of their mistakes by Colombian women? I have already faced this challenge and I seem to have a hard time forgiving those kinds of mistakes, which is what puzzles me about a respectable, non-"easy" gringa relating to Colombian men and at the same time not being willing to accept infidelity. Do you think that the majority of Colombianos want you to accept the possiblity of a "mistake" happening, and just be able to forgive and forget when it does?

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:21:

Gringas vs. Colombianas Also, do you think that gringas, on an average, are less forgiving when it comes to infidelity than Colombian women are, or is this a bad generalization that has no warrant. I see Colombian women turn their head all the time and ignore what is so evidently in front of them. I watch their men cheat time after time, and it seems like the women are OK as long as they provide for their family and come home to them at night. I know American women, however, that could be found guilty of the same thing. So, this poses the question of cultures- is it more predominately accepted within the culture and the mindset of the Colombianas as it is in the culture and mindset of the gringas? (Or is this all just a stereotype that has been perpetuated by the men that want their wives/novias to accept it, whether they do or not?)

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elmodefoque says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:29:

guys make mistakes, sometimes over a 100 mistakes(jumping in bed with other women) but they should be forgiven. let the one who never made a mistake cast the first stone.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:29:

it's strange but i think that Colombianos are much more faithful to their wives living out of Colombia than living there. No, as a gringa you are not expected to forgive infidelity, many Colombian women don't either. I made it totally clear before I married my Caleño that I would not put up with any cheating, I don't play those games and would not be played on. It was not acceptable where I came from and I was not raised up with double standards. Worked like a charm.
Many Colombian women have been a way too forgiving, mainly because they haven't had the economical solvency to take care of themselves and maybe also their children in case the unfaithful multiple-timing hubby did not respond economically for the upbringing of the family. The women were pretty much trapped and made the best of a bad situation. Most educated, professional Colombian women don't put up with that bs any longer, they prefer to live alone with the children and let the man go where ever he wishes.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:30:

Joyzers, I have one word for you: economics. The economic situation for women in Colombia stinks! They have to put up with a lot of crap they would just as soon not have to because they are dependent on the man for money. It has nothing to do with culture! Do you think Colombianas like having their men cheating on them? They hate it! This is why my wife and her sisters will have nothing to do with a Colombian man romantically speaking if they can help it. Even though two of them are married to very good devoted Colombian men they still have a very low opinion of Colombian men.

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British Paisa says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:43:

Colombians in general think that 'gringas' are slappers/easy so you should be getting plenty of attention, even if it is only in the interest of a quick shag!.....

All the best.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:44:

i stopped reading national inquirer and picked up the bible.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Bill1243 says on Apr 12, 2005, 11:54:

yep Yes, it boils down to economics.... Colombian men with any money at all will almost always have more than one woman. They may do it stealthily on the side but I haven't met one yet who isn't dabbling a bit on the side!

For gringas, you need to be careful....because not only are you a novelty, but most gringas down there don't compare in looks to the Colombianas. Also, they too need to look out for the green card sharks.

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 12:15:

Elmo, give me your insight! You say, "guys make mistakes". Well, are the women as forgiven when they make the same mistakes? It is an amazing double standard. I do believe that the economic reasons are the same in the history of our parent's generation and especially our grandparent's generation- it was accepted because there were no other solutions, the women had no other options. Now they do. I just don't get it, it's as if sexually transmitted diseases don't even exist. Imagine all the women that go to the doctor and find out that they have an STD and they have been faithful, which means their spouse has not. What a way to find out that your man has not been faithful. Besides loyalty and general respect for your spouse, you would think that there would be concern for their well-being as far as their health. I think we all know that many men are not the most careful when it comes to protection- living in the moment and all. Then, due to them "living in the moment" they bring some STD home to their spouse. Times have changed and I would think that the extra-curricular activities would lessen with the times, but it doesn't seem to have happened. I know men don't like to be cheated on. Correct? Elmo, give me some insight. Explain to me what is going on in the man's mind at the moment, are there no feelings of betrayal for the spouse that they claim to love? Are the men able to completely separate their loyalty to their wife from sex and not even think about it? I just don't understand how it works. Don't get me wrong, it happens here (in the US) I believe just as much, but it's just not discussed as openly. Therefore, the women never are able to figure out what is really going on in their heads when they are "making mistakes" such as these. I must state, not only men cheat- I know plenty of women that are worse than the men, but it is more common among men (Colombian and North American). Elmo, and other men, let me in on your insight, as this has been puzzling me for quite sometime now.

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Albatross says on Apr 12, 2005, 12:16:

But Elmo... ... without the Enquirer, how are you going to know which aliens abducted whose baby ???

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Albatross says on Apr 12, 2005, 12:19:

And Joy... ... don't think about it, just accept the fact that men are perfect.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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elmodefoque says on Apr 12, 2005, 12:20:

i will have to give you my insight mañana, i'm taking my ass home. chaoooo

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 12:54:

OK. Manana entonces. I hope you have some good insight for all the women out there that have dealt with this, not just me.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 12, 2005, 14:44:

Geez, Joyzers, what can I say? We're perros, dogs, smut hounds.... There is nothing going on in our minds because we're like freakin' animals, bulls that have gone over the fence smelling a cow in heat. You keep trying to talk about this rationally and there's no rationality involved. It's sex!

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ColombianoX says on Apr 12, 2005, 15:34:

"Colombian men with any money at all will almost always have more than one woman. They may do it stealthily on the side but I haven't met one yet who isn't dabbling a bit on the side!"


Bill1243,

Well, you just met me!


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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dwmte says on Apr 12, 2005, 17:28:

swami x, in his last soapbox sermon, said, "look at all you children out there...you all think sex is the answer." "it's not the answer, it's the question." the answer is yes."

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lpdiver says on Apr 12, 2005, 17:37:

elmo I though I made a mistake once...but I was wrong!!!!!LMAO

Antony

"cook some rice!"

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 18:32:

Wait a minute... Utopiacowboy- aren't you a gringo? I guess that's a good example of my comment that this is a philosophy of both Colombianos and gringos.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 12, 2005, 21:47:

No, Joyzers, even though I am faithful to my beautiful wife I am still a man and I know what hound dogs we are. Unfortunately, or fortunately, however you look at it, men in Colombia have many more opportunities to jump the fence than gringos do in North America. The heart of the beast is the same where ever you go.

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joyzers says on Apr 12, 2005, 22:12:

Very well said! First of all, I like that you state that you are faithful to your wife, and most of all you state, "my beautiful wife". Many women lack husbands that will continue through the years to refer to them as their beautiful wife, which is such a shame. Secondly, I believe that your point about having more opportunities was perfectly stated. I've always believed that with the perfect opportunity, almost every warm-blooded male would jump at the offer. It's just that not all men have had it handed to them on a silver platter for them to be able to choose whether they want it or not. However, if the option stared them in the face, I believe that most of them would partake and come back for seconds. That's just my opinion- however, it could be totally wrong. I don't know, I'm not a man, and like I said I have no idea what is going through their minds. I believe the answer to that one would usually be, NOTHING!

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lpdiver says on Apr 13, 2005, 00:03:

Joyzers The question in my mind is still...Why is the platter there and for the offering in Colombia and not in the US? Is it a misogynist society or is the sexual climate just different? All those men are cheating with someone! I know I have to be very careful with my heart and emotions and privates in Colombia.

This is my second and last marriage and I want it to be a lifelong one. My wife was open (resigned?) to my needing sexual release while I was alone in the US waiting for immigrations and often suggested that I find a "booty buddy". I didn't and I think she truly appreciated that fact (that's my story and I'm sticking to it!)

I am a hell of a nice man but no super model; yet, had more women than I could date in a lifetime while working in the caribe and south america. As Rudyard Kipling said, "In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings." Maybe it was the hope of a greencard or better life but I sure enjoyed it and shamelessly used it.

Of course now that she is her I suspect she would serve my cajones on a silver platter if she caught me cheating! I look openly but it's only window shopping and she doesn't mind. But look out if I dance with a woman twice at our weekly salsa excursions!

"cook some rice!"

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elmodefoque says on Apr 13, 2005, 05:08:

Joy, contrary to the way I look and act, I don’t cheat! There are two good reasons why I don’t cheat. First, I can find any broad crazy enough to jump in bed with me, most find me too old and repulsive. The second reason, I’m still in shock over what my then girlfriend, the future mother of my kids did to me over 20 years ago after she caught me cheating. . She was supporting my lazy ass and every Friday she invited me to my favorite Mexican restaurant. Man, I love Mexican food. This place is a typical New York city restaurant, crowded, couples laughing, drinking, eating, waiters running up and down balancing plates of steaming delicious food, the owner coming around shoving tequila down your throat and a ranchera playing in the background. We sat there chatting and I order my usual, two enchiladas, one beef, one chicken, it comes with rice and guacamole. She told me to close my eyes, she had a gift for me, I though, damn, another nice watch. I closed my eyes patiently waiting for her to place a box on my hand but instead took my plate of enchilada and placed it on top of my head, with out saying a single word. I open my eyes as I felt the warm enchiladas and the guacamole dripping down my long hair. Silence covered the entire restaurant. She walks out and I just sat there in total shock, embarrassed, mortified, humiliated and uncomfortable with a beef and chicken enchilada still dangling on my head. Everyone waited for my reaction, but I had none. 2 minutes later that seem like 2 hours, the only words outta my mouth was “check please!� but then remember, I aint got no money, the bitch left me no money. Since the guys knew me, I was allowed to pay later. It took me 2 months of begging her to take me back. I told her thousand of times how much I adore her delicious Jennifer Lopez ass and can’t live with out it. Like J-Lo she was also New Yorican. She finally decides to FORGIVE ME, I had no place to live and had taken up residence in Washington Square Park, the benches near the volley ball court. We continued our hot romance and had 4 kids together, never cheated on her or anyone else after that, but not for the lack of trying. After ten years together she dumped my lazy ass anyway.
I posted a pic of her in my image gallery

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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joyzers says on Apr 13, 2005, 07:23:

Thanks, Elmo! WOW! Now that's a woman to not be messed with. I must say, your story was hularious; I actually laughed out loud. What a scene! Maybe the attitude of the women who will not stand up for themselves contributes to this problem. Who knows? I just know that if I plan on not being a nun while I'm living in Colombia, I guess I better find some way of sorting the cheaters from the faithful and also the "ugly ducklings", as you say, from the very-good looking Colombian men (I have seen MANY!). It's possible that if every man knows that he will end up with enchilada on his head that he will not risk it. I will say that I will forever remember the story that you told and will get some more laughs about it later on. Thanks, again, for your input.

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Albatross says on Apr 13, 2005, 08:18:

Pathetic... So a woman (presumeably) starts a thread basically whining about men...
Eventually a man (again, presumeably) chimes in about how men are pigs, dogs ect...
Then the original poster jumps on "his" comment as "proof" that men really ARE jerks...

And on and on ad nauseum...

Question: Who painted the frescoes in the Sistine Chapel, Michelangelo or Michelangela ?

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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joyzers says on Apr 13, 2005, 08:28:

Well...? I guess if that's the way you want to look at it. I, as previously stated, have known MANY women that are doing just the same thing. However, that's in the US. In my area, an Army post area, the women are far more cheating on the men that vice versa. However, I am searching for info. on the Colombianos, so I know what to expect. I don't think all men are jerks, but you can see it that way if you want. Like someone pointed out, these men are cheating with someone, and I do believe that most of the time these women know that the men are married and they don't care. You know what they say about men that are wearing a wedding ring, they get hit on 10X more than before they wore their ring (at least it's this way in the US). You wouldn't believe the women that I know and all of the affairs they have had, and their husbands have no idea.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 13, 2005, 08:42:

Joy, I guess the motto to my long winded story is that if you find your man cheating, dump a plate of enchilada on the sonamanbiche’s head, it worked for my ex. In Colombia a nice plate of “bandeja paisa� will work just fine.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 13, 2005, 11:12:

Damm, Tony, your wife lets you dance with other women on your salsa excursions? My wife's rule reminds me of the Texas saying "Dance with the one what brung ya." Good thing I love dancing with her!

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lpdiver says on Apr 14, 2005, 10:43:

UC She is eight months pregnant and can't dance too many back to back!!!It is however p[laying with fire I must admit.

Tony

"cook some rice!"

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Mr_nice_guy says on Apr 15, 2005, 10:51:

21 year old man toying with getting married would it be smart for a 21 year old gringo to go to colombia and look for a wife????

"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

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dwmte says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:21:

well, mr metaphysics..... you can go there and find a perfectly wonderful life/mate match for yourself. however, doing so at the truly joven edad of 21 yrs, is akin to committing suicide. enjoy your precious freedom a while longer, spend more time shopping and observing. the fine fruit ripens, and with your own maturity, comes the rare art of descrimination. being descriminate, changes your life, always for the better.

good luck,

dw.

and to be short, the answer to your question is yes.

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lpdiver says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:23:

Mr nice Do a lot of comparison shopping!!

T

"cook some rice!"

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dwmte says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:25:

amen ditto

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:34:

Mr_nice_guy, even though I highly recommend Colombianas as wives and I think any man who is not married to a Colombiana is missing out, you are much too young for this. Wait until you are a 51 or 61 year old gringo loser and then come down to Colombia to pick yourself some nice fresh fruit. You don't need the hassle - you can stick with the young chicas back in the USA until you are too old and ugly for them.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:35:

in other words, nail as many as you could get your hands on, try all colors, shapes and sizes. a gordita might be better than a flaca, but don't take the first gordita, try other gorditas until you find the perfect fit.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:35:

utopia, you forgot the disclaimer.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:37:

Yes, mi hijo, listen to the voice of your Uncle Elmo. He'll tell you you about the wonders of "El Beso negro" and "El Chiquito".

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elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:39:

yes how could i forget, see which one gives you el chiquito and then el beso negro, those you put on top of the list.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 15, 2005, 11:40:

hey uc , i think lauthra is mad at you, check "unique to colombia"

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joyzers says on Apr 15, 2005, 14:47:

Mr. Nice Guy, RUN!!!! Take it for me and probably everyone else on this post. I believe that any person over 25 would completely agree that your likes and dislikes and opinions on life and the world in general greatly change after 25, and especially at 30. Why would you consider doing this to yourself willingly? Enjoy and explore life a little first. Even though I'm not a parent, I think that every parent should strongly encourage their child to wait until at least after 25 to get married, as you don't quite know who you are yet and what you want. This would probably cut down on the divorce rate. OK. that's my soapbox for the day

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Mr_nice_guy says on Apr 15, 2005, 17:34:

Why wait that long? Why should I wait that long? by the time I'm 51 the world have changed 200 times over and latinas wouldn't be the same. I am willingly doing this because I am tired of waiting. I really think I'm ready.

"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 15, 2005, 19:30:

You're 21 and you're tired of waiting? Wait until you're 51 and then see how tired you are, dude! I agree that you're ready but I think you're ready for something else not marriage. Besides only the desperate gringos go to Colombia - you don't need it, man.

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joyzers says on Apr 15, 2005, 19:52:

Very well stated, utopiacowboy! "I agree that you're ready but I think you're ready for something else not marriage."

The whole point is, at 21 you "think" that this is what you want, but you don't have enough life experiences to know what you want or even to make the best decision. That's just a fact. It doesn't matter how mature you are, you just don't know at the time how your views will totally change, along with your desires and outlook on sex, women, dating, etc. You only "think" that you are ready. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to harp on this, but I totally cringe when I hear a 21 year old saying that they want to get married, especially a male (men are more imateur at 21 than females). What is it that you think you are going to fill in your life with marriage? Does anyone else think the same way as utopiacowboy and myself, or is this just an interference into some 21 yr. old's dreams?

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Mr_nice_guy says on Apr 18, 2005, 19:19:

Are they really traditional women or is this just myth?
"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and it shall be found, knock and the door shall be open unto you" Matt 7:7

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 18, 2005, 20:03:

It's a myth - they're total ball-busters.

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Ella says on Apr 19, 2005, 10:38:

Lets cut a long story short Any woman with sense should know if their man is cheating or if he's cheated before so what do we do? We do the same back! if some bigheaded colombian man who is hairy and ugly cheats on his beautiful wife/gf he should get the same treatment back plus its easier for us women to cheat, so if men carry on with their games then so will we! I have so many cousins n mates in colombia that hav dickhead b/fs, but they jus play too and the guys never notice, hell no would i stay faithfall to a man thats cheated on me, id just have more fun but playing with the military guys over ther! UHUH.

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