watching soccer in colombia

quindioman says on Nov 27, 2005, 14:16:

gerakis I like football too, watching it is almost as good as playing yourself. At the moment I'm listening to Carrusel deportivo en Caracol Radio. They're commentating on the matches (normal fixtures take place on Sundays at 3:30pm local time save a couple of fixtures) at the moment.
The Colombian league is not bad at all, one of the best in Latin America but not much compared to the European leagues.
There are several interesting teams and you would probably find a special atmosphere in El Campin-Bogota (Millonarios/Santa Fe), El Atanasio Girardot - Medellin (Nacional-Deportivo Independiente Medellin), Pascual Guerrero (America/ Deportivo Cali) and El Metropolitano-Barranquilla (Junior) although I'm sure there is a special atmosphere right now in Cartagena as Real Cartagena have retaken the lead against Pereira.....these matches have a higher significance as these are now "Los Cuadrangulares"....what basically happens is that the league (Copa Mustang) kicks off and everyone plays everyone (there's 18 teams) home and away. At the end of that the top 8 carry on to Los Cuadrangulares which is basically 2 groups of 4 Group A consisting of the 1st, 3rd, 5th & 7th teams and group B consisting of the 2nd 4th 6th & 8th teams. Again home and away...at the end of that winner of group A plays the winner of group B for the title.
If you want to catch some football you'll need to be in Colombia before the 18th of December as that's the 2nd leg of the final (the 1st leg will be played on 14th December).
This year's tournament has been very interesting with no less than 14 teams vying for a place in the top 8....big teams that missed the boat were present champions Nacional, Millonarios had a blistering start to the tournament but something happened there.
For proper info check this page, one of my favourites on the web

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jaramillo says on Nov 28, 2005, 00:37:

sorry qindioman but it doesn't make sense to say that "The Colombian league is not bad at all, one of the best in Latin America but not much compared to the European leagues". If one of the best in Latin American doesn't measure up to Europe, then European soccer is superior. The Mexican, Argentinian, and Brazilian leagues are as good as any in Europe, and better than most.

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quindioman says on Nov 28, 2005, 02:21:

ok jaramillo i'd probably put the Colombian league just below those 3 you named, however those 3 leagues are not as good as any in Europe, as good as the Belgian or Greek perhaps....but do you really want to compare the Brazilian league with the Premiership, the Argentinian league with La Liga or the Mexican league with Serie A?

I guess you are right though Jaramillo...that comment was not too well thought out.......personally my favourite league is the Colombian but if you are going to ask me which is the best it's either La Liga or the Premiership.....hands down.

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kernow62 says on Nov 28, 2005, 03:57:

Premiership is tops, hands down!

RIP Georgie.

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jaramillo says on Nov 28, 2005, 05:59:

I currently live in Salamanca, and I keep a close eye on the liga. True, right now Barca is hard to match, but the rest of the league is quite comparable to the Argentininian or Brazilian leagues. Do you mean to tell me that Osasuna is better than River? or that Getafe is bettter than Boca? Let's not talk about Real since the two I mentioned are better. But I see your point...

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lozza says on Nov 29, 2005, 05:50:

Many people seem to think that the Brazilian league is one of the best, because it is Brasil. It is not, at the moment it is a shambles, many of the stadiums are condemned, all the best players quickly leave for Europe, Argentina or Mexico where the system is more organised and they pay better. The Argentian League is good but consistently dominated by just two teams. Mexico has a good league, lots of money and many good Brazilian and Argentinian players. Colombian football can be 'interesting' if you like 'bounce-ball'!!! and don't forget Uruguay, which always has some pretty strong clubs. There may be a couple of South American teams which could give the Euopean teams a good game, but in terms of 'leagues' they don't compare with the English, Spanish, Italian of even German leagues. This could be considered a biased point of view, but the Euopean leagues are of such a high quality partly because they have so many Argentinans, Brazilians, Uruguayans, and yes a couple of Colombians, playing in them. But, watch a Colombian league game then turn over to the Premiership or La Liga and you will see the difference.
By the way, Fox sports is great for the Premiership (i get to see more games in full than back home), and for the Argentinian and Mexican Leagues. ESPN shows lots of La Liga nad Dutch and Italian league games.

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kernow62 says on Nov 29, 2005, 12:43:

Lozza if you are in the US and have Direct TV, other good options are GOL TV for South American teams as well as some La Liga. Setanta is good for Premiership and Bundesliga, especially good if you are a Man Utd. or Chelski supporter. Univision is good for Mexican matches.

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DanielPaisa says on Nov 29, 2005, 17:03:

Mexican league I hate, and i know many colombians do, the mexican league. I don't really know why, but iv'e never seen a more boring and less passionate way to play soccer than the way they do it in mexico. Recently, y red an article in SoHo, called "lo que le sobra al futbol". One of them was the mexican league. You can see the emotion, the fury, the pride, in any game from a peruvian, ecuatorian, uruguayan, brazilian or colombian team when facing, let's say, Boca Juniors, River Plate. You also have to see a Nacional - Medellin match, or a Cali - America match.It's never the same. They may not pay so much, but as almost anything in colombia, it's not the best, wich makes it better.

Verde campeon, rey de copas!!!!

Cheers

Daniel, el Paisa

"You can't fight in here... this is the war room!"

Daniel, el Paisa

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quindioman says on Nov 30, 2005, 21:40:

verde si es campeon Daniel....pero los verdiblancos quedaron mamando en al segunda copa mustang

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Angelob says on Dec 1, 2005, 06:09:

Atletico Nacional I recommend you go to El Estadio Atanasio Girardot and watch Atletico Nacional de Medellin play. In 2006 they will be in Copa Libertadores and you can expect to see the stadium full or at least 35,000 people for these games. The environment during Nacional games in the stadium is incredible. I highly recommend it.

P.S. Do not go to tribuna Sur unless your willing to jump and sing throughout the whole game. You'll see what I mean.

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lozza says on Dec 1, 2005, 08:07:

National will not be in the Libertadores next season - you have to win your domestic league first, and that ain't gonna happen to National this year. They've been playing shite!!

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DanielPaisa says on Dec 1, 2005, 09:08:

we are going... Colombia has 3 teams in the libertadores. One for the first semester champion (Nacional) one for the second semester (from the cuadrangulares currently playing) and another one from what is called Reclasificacion. Nacional is going next year.

Cheers

Daniel, el Paisa

"You can't fight in here... this is the war room!"

Daniel, el Paisa

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lozza says on Dec 1, 2005, 10:39:

I can see you're an intelligent chap Daniel, I think some of MENSA would have trouble figuring out the Colombian league system, seasons, quadrangles, qualifiers, reclasification etc. I thought they were doing crap now so that would be it! But then i am far from MENSA!!
Cheers

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Angelob says on Dec 2, 2005, 06:12:

Nacional en libertadores 2006 Thanks for clarifying that Atl Nacional will be in la Libertadores in 2006 DanielPaisa. As a matter of fact the groups were set up yesterday (Dec.1) and they ended up in group 7 with Rosario Central (Arg.) Cerro Porteño (Par.) and one other team either from Brazil or Venezuela to be determined. Suerte.

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Monpirri says on Dec 9, 2005, 14:29:

Maradona escogió a Medellin para iniciar sus vacaciones. Diego Maradona dice estar "contento de iniciar vacaciones en Medellín"
Visitará a Higuita, Aristizábal, 'Chicho' Serna y a su compatriota Hugo Morales, quienes lo saludaron cuando se operó en Cartagena.
El astro del fútbol argentino Diego Armando Maradona señaló, a su llegada el martes a Medellín, que en esta ciudad del noroeste colombiano, inicia su temporada de vacaciones, en la que aprovechará además para saludar a algunos de sus amigos, entre ellos, Mauricio "Chicho" Serna.
Maradona, se mostró complacido de pisar tierra antioqueña, en
donde visitará además de a Serna, quien fue jugador de Boca Juniors, al delantero Víctor Aristizábal y al argentino Hugo Morales.
"Estoy contento de estar en Colombia, contento de poder visitar
amigos y contento porque empiezo mis vacaciones en Medellín. Fueron meses muy duros, trabajé mucho, y bueno, creo que ahora me merezco mis vacaciones, vengo a saludar a "Chicho", a (René) Higuita, a "Aristi", que me fueron a ver cuando estaba operado en Cartagena, y si hay una cosa que soy, es agradecido, entonces vengo a saludarlos a ellos", señaló Maradona.
El ahora presentador de televisión llegó, por primera vez, a
Medellín en compañía de una de sus hijas. "Yo no conozco Medellín y, bueno, ahora que empiezo mis vacaciones empiezo en Medellín; y después me iré para la Polinesia con mi hija. Me tomaré dos meses de vacaciones".
Maradona inicia su descanso nueve meses después de haberse
sometido en Cartagena, a una intervención quirúrgica, un bypass
gástrico, para manejar el problema de obesidad que padecía y que le surtió excelentes resultados.

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/depo/FUTBOL/FUTINT_F/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2643560.html

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Monpirri says on Dec 9, 2005, 14:43:

Tres deportistas colombianos entre los mejores de Latinoamérica Tres colombianos fueron galardonados en los premios Fox Sports
Florida, EE.UU., 6 Diciembre (RCN) - En la gala realizada en Miami, Juan Pablo Montoya, Víctor Aristizábal y Hugo Rodallega recibieron las distinciones.

Montoya repitió como mejor piloto latinoamericano, tal y como sucedió en la edición anterior de estos premios el bogotano fue destacado por la cadena deportiva.

El delantero del Cali, Hugo Rodallega se destacó como el mejor futbolista juvenil en Latinoamérica de la temporada, por encima del jugador del FC Barcelona de España, Lionel Messi.

Víctor Hugo Aristizábal, actual jugador del Atlético Nacional de Medellín fue escogido como el jugador del año en Latinoamérica. “Aristigol” superó en la votación del público al argentino campeón con el Corinthians de Brasil, Carlos Tévez.

http://noticias.canalrcn.com/noticia.php3?nt=25675

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kernow62 says on Dec 9, 2005, 16:57:

Hay how come the US was not one of the 8 seeded teams in the World Cup? Is it European politics, or are they not as good as FIFA has them ranked?

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Monpirri says on Dec 9, 2005, 17:56:

USA the best soccer team in North America I do not know the answer but in my opinion U.S. in the best in North America.

Here is the final draw.

The 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany
Group E
Italy
Ghana
United States
Czech Republic

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quindioman says on Dec 9, 2005, 23:48:

if they make it out of that group, i'll give them some respect 'till then they can be the biggest fish in that miniscule pond called concacaf.

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kernow62 says on Dec 10, 2005, 02:49:

It is not an easy draw that is for certain.

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Monpirri says on Dec 13, 2005, 18:17:

"And yes a couple of Colombians, playing in them" "The European leagues are of such a high quality partly because they have so many Argentinans, Brazilians, Uruguayans, and yes a couple of Colombians, playing in them."

Couple of Colombians??
How about over 12 in Argentina http://www.elespectador.com/historico/2005-08-07/contenido_MI-4832.htm

Six in France
http://www.elespectador.com/historico/2005-07-24/contenido_MI-3329.htm

Three in England, and more players in Spain, Brazil, Bolivia,Chile, Italy, Turkey, Venezuela, Ecuador...

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/depo/FUTBOL/COLEX_F/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2553558.html

And over 20 in Central America and Mexico
http://www.colombia.com/futbol/noticias/DetalleNoticia12690.asp

The best source for Colombian soccer is Colombian TV, CNN en Español,
GOl TV, and Fox Sports.

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quindioman says on Dec 13, 2005, 22:46:

monpirri just out of curiosity....who's the 3rd Colombian in the English Premiership?
I only know of JP Angel in Villa and John Viafara in Pompey.

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elmodefoque says on Dec 14, 2005, 04:51:

Damn, you guys really do like soccer, good for you! I must be the only South American that finds that game BORING. Even when I was in Barranquilla I always preferred baseball over soccer. For me excitement is a baseball game between Yankees and Boston red sox or Yankees and their all time rival from the west coast, LA Dodgers.
A barranquillero named Renteria just signed a 4 year deal with the Atlanta braves for a measly $40 million USA dollars, he’s not even in the top one hundred money making players.
A lotta gringos show very little interest for soccer, and not for lack of trying .

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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Monpirri says on Dec 14, 2005, 07:31:

Quindioman, futbolistas colombianos en exterior Octubre 1 de 2005
Los futbolistas colombianos también tienen ropita para mostrar en el exterior.


Por los lados de Inglaterra, empleados del Aston Villa le contaron a EL TIEMPO que si bien Juan Pablo Ángel continúa siendo uno de los favoritos de la afición, actualmente de cada 100 camisetas vendidas en promedio solo seis llevan su nombre, aunque en verano, cuando las ventas son las más altas del año, de cada diez que se venden al menos la mitad son de él.
Portavoces del Portsmouth, también de Inglaterra, aseguraron que no llevan cifras de cuánto vende el volante colombiano John Viáfara, reciente incorporación del equipo, precisamente porque "es muy nuevo en el club, ha jugado pocos partidos y está en periodo de adaptación", indicaron.

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/depo/FUTBOL/COLEX_F/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2553558.html

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Monpirri says on Dec 14, 2005, 07:42:

Renteria nuestro representante en las Granders Ligas Edgar Renteria our representative in MLB Baseball.
Congratulations!
Soccer is extremely boring when one watch a soccer game in Univison, Telemundo, Galavision because they have a different style when they play, and also the TV producers try very hard to glorify these matches.

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Monpirri says on Dec 14, 2005, 08:02:

Aston Villa? Correction Aston Villa, I counted it as a player. Total should be two: Juan Plabo Angel and John Viafara.
Brazil has two players León Darío Muñoz and Freddy Rincón.

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Monpirri says on Dec 14, 2005, 09:36:

International matches Very Interesting International matches are the most interesting! I like
to see Brazilians score from places nobody would think and also like to see players who create fast unexpected dribbling moves in the field.

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Monpirri says on Dec 15, 2005, 21:29:

Sharing the passion While watching Caracol TV, the 7:00 P.M. Sport News, tonight, they announced that Wason Rentería scored in Brazil, so we have another player to add to my previous incomplete list. I am sorry, the news keep adding more.

"Dado a que hay mas de +200 jugadores Colombianos jugando en el exterior en diferentes ligas del mundo, es muy dificil nombrar todos. estos son los jugadores que mas resaltan en sus respectivas ligas.Inafortunadamente tambien es muy dificil encontrar los nombres de jugadores que juegan en ligas pequeñas como las de Centro America, Asia, y Oceania.
esta es la lista mas actualizada que pude formar. los websites de algunos equipos estan muy desactualizados, mientras que las temporadas progresan, la lista sera mas precisa.
para eso puse + hay mas debajo de las ligas donde hay jugadores cuales nombres son dificiles de encontrar."

The list below is a partial because there are over 200 Colombian players who play abroad in different leagues, it is very hard to name them all. These are the players who stand out the most.

Here is a list that I found:

Colombian players abroad.
Re: Noticias de Colombianos en el exterior (r)

Argentina
River Plate - Jairo Patiño
River Plate (juveniles) - Falcao García
River Plate (juveniles) - Carlos Renteria
River Plate (juveniles) - John Mosquera
Boca Juniors - Fabián Vargas
Boca Juniors (juveniles) - Pablo César Murillo
Boca Juniors (juveniles) - Óscar Fabián Murillo
San Lorenzo - Leonardo Fabio Moreno
San Lorenzo - Kilian Virviescas
Newell´s Old Boys - Martín Echeverría
Independiente - Robinson Zapata
Independiente - Navarro Montoya
Colon - Giovanni Hernández
Estudiantes - Julian Vasquez
Quilmes - Andrés Pérez
Quilmes - Juan Fernando Leal
Quilmes - Iván Velasquez
Velez Sarsfield (juveniles) - Carlos Junior Ischia
Gimnasia - Francisco Foronda
Banfield - Javier Arizala
Olimpo de Bahía Blanca - Luis Asprilla
Olimpo de Bahía Blanca - Fram Pacheco
Lanús - Julio César Rentería
Argentinos Juniors - Alejandro Botero
Argentinos Juniors - Alejandro Lopez
Huracan - Jorge Herrera (juvenil)
Huracan - Edison Cardona (juvenil)
Huracan - Edwin Muñoz (juvenil)
Ferros - Óscar Velasco (juvenil)
All Boys - Jairo Serna
Unión de Santa Fe - Jersson González
Defensores - Tommy Mosquera (juvenil)
+ hay mas


Italia
Inter Milan - Ivan Ramiro Cordoba
Inter Milan (juveniles) - John Livinton Ocoró Garcés
Parma - Jorge Bolaño
Venezia - William Orejuela Delgado(juvenil)
Venezia - Alejandro Romero
Udinese (juveniles) - Iván Lozano
Udinese (juveniles) - Antony Gil


Inglaterra
Aston Villa - Juan Pablo Ángel
+ hay mas


España
Atletico Madrid - Luis Amaranto Perea
Levante - Edwin Congo
Valladolid - Jairo Castillo
Cádiz - José Julián De la Cuesta
Murcia - Carlos Córdoba
Las Palmas - Eduer Simón Frejp
Ejido - Avimeleth Rivas


Francia
PSG - Mario Alberto Yepes
Nantes - Alexander Viveros
Mont. - Victor Montaño


Turquía
Besikas - Óscar Córdoba
Galatasaray - Farid Mondragón
Rizespor - Gustavo Victoria


Holanda
PSV - Johan Vonlanthen


Alemania
Arminia Bielefeld - Brahaman Sinisterra


Belgica
Germinal Beerschot - Daniel Cruz


Brasil
Santos - Juan Carlos Henao
Palmeiras - León Darío Muñoz
Atlético Paranaense - Vladimir Marín


México
Pachuca - Andrés Chitiva
Pachuca - Miguel Calero
Puebla - Frankie Oviedo
Puebla - Eudalio Arriaga
Morelia - Luis Gabriel Rey
Atlante - Víctor Pacheco
Cruz Azul - Jhon Javier Restrepo
Leones Dorados - Andres Orozco
Potros Pegaso - Álex Segura
+ hay mas


Ecuador
Liga Universitaria de Quito - Elkin Murillo
Liga Universitaria de Quito - Alex Escobar
Liga Universitaria de Quito - Wilson Segura
Aucas - Bréiner Castillo
Aucas - Wilman Conde
Aucas - Luis Ernesto Rojas
Aucas - Jaime Ruiz
Aucas (entrenador)- Javier Alvarez
Seleccion Ecuatoriana (entrenador) - Luis Suárez
Olmedo - Diego Córdoba
Olmedo - Jader Rojas
D eportivo Quito (entrenador)- Héctor Óscar Quintabani
D eportivo Quito - Alex Posada
D eportivo Quito - Oscar Díaz
Espoli - Luis Angulo
Espoli - Alexander Del Castillo
Espoli - Carlos Cevallos
U. Católica de Quito - Arley Betancourt
Liga de Lorja - Guillermo Rivera
Barcelona- Freddy Grisales
+ hay mas

Uruguay
Fénix - Andrés Montoya
Fénix - Héctor Vasco
Wanderers - Édinson Chará
Racing - Orlando Velásquez
Alianza - Wilber Montaño
Alianza - Edwin Asprilla


Paraguay
Libertad - Roberto Carlos Cortés
Libertad - José Hermes Mera


Chile
La Serena - Alex Comas
La Serena - Carlos Asprila
La Serena - Henry Zambrano


Peru
César Vallejo - Rodrigo Saráz
Cienciano - Manuel Santos Arboleda
Cienciano - Arnulfo Valentierra
Alianza Atletico - Juan Pablo Arango
Sporting Cristal - Andrés Mosquera
Alianza Lima - Oswaldo Mackenzie
Universitario - Mauricio Mendoza
Wanka - Héctor Valoyes
Estudiantes de Medicina - Víctor Larrahondo
Bolognesi - Yesid Martinez
Grau Estad. - Edilberto Salazar
FBC Melgar - Víctor Larrahondo
Sport Ancash - Nelson Molina
+ hay mas


Bolivia
Wilstermann - Joaquín Montoya
Wilstermann - John Freddy Tierradentro
Bolivar - John Peña Carabali
Iberoamericana - Mauricio Pinilla
Iberoamericana - Gustavo Cruz
La Paz FC - José Portocarrero
La Paz FC - Edwin Muñoz
La Paz FC - Daizon Gualé


Venezuela
Caracas F.C. - Wilson 'El Pájaro' Carpintero
Tachira - Edgar Ramirez
Mineros - Francisco Mosquera
Mineros - Eliécer Díaz
Mineros (entrenador)- César Maturana
Union Maracaibo - Carlos Villarete
Estudiantes Mérida - Dairon Pérez
Carabobo FC - Álex Builes
Carabobo FC - John Jairo Reino
Carabobo FC - Néstor Ortiz
Carabobo FC - Víctor Ordóñez
Anzoátegui - Lucas Abrahan López
Aragua FC - Carlos Valencia
El Vigia FC - Héctor Bermúdez
M. de Guyana - Manuel Martinez
Monagas - Yesid Zapata
Monagas - Járold Herrera
Monagas - Habison Escobar
Monagas - Uberman Cabezas
Monagas - John Kenedy Hurtado
Unión Lara - David Hernández
Unión Lara - Enrique Pla
Unión Lara - Roberto Carlos Bolívar
Unión Lara - Andrés Guarín
Trujillanos - Orlando Rengifo
Trujillanos - Henry Sevillano
Trujillanos - Raúl Antonio Brochero

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Monpirri says on Jan 25, 2006, 04:54:

Copa Libertadores Independiente Santa Fe vs. Sporting in Montivideo, Uruguay.
This Friday, January 27th.

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SPECTRASORT says on Jan 25, 2006, 07:50:

European Soccer Leauges are superior. Without doubt the EU soccer leaugues are the worlds best in this order.

1...Premiership.
2...Italian
3...Spanish.

Here are the arguemnts to quantify my comments , Where do all the worlds best players play .?. I am not saying that Brazil / Argentina dont play more skillfull football and have very good players , its just the quality of players in the premiership is very high in all teams.

If you asked any of the Best South American players where they would like to play they would probably say , U.K , Italy or Spain.

Man U , Chelsea , Liverpool , Arsenal , Real Madrid , Barcelona , Inter Milan , Milan , Juventus are probably the worlds elite clubs with the money and the chance for sucess for a player , who has the money to spend that Chelsea do.?.

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Monpirri says on Jan 29, 2006, 19:53:

Do you know? Sabe usted? Brilla el colombiano Falcao García, delantero en River Plate de Argentina. El colombiano sigue metiendo goles!!
"Tercer Tiempo", Soccer News-Caracol TV 1/29/06

"Ronaldinho won his second straight FIFA World Player of the Year award Monday for his stellar play with Brazil and FC Barcelona, beating out England's Frank Lampard and Cameroon's Samuel Eto'o.
Ronaldinho became the third player to win the award twice since its inception in 1991. Ronaldo of Brazil and Zinedine Zidane of France have taken the prize three times.
Brazilians have won the award seven of the 15 times it has been given. On Monday, FIFA honored Brazil as the best team for the fourth year in a row."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=352719&cc=5901

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