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War has started!

AFP - 25 minutes ago

BOGOTA (AFP)
The Venezuelan Army attacked a joint post of the Colombian Army in North Colombia on the Colombian-Venezuelan border while gunship helicopters were noticed violating Colombian airspace during the past two hours.

The Venezuelan troops also took away a local officer to their base on Sunday when they entered the Colombian territory. However, Venezuelan officials denied the attack and termed it beyond truth.

They said the post, which is known as Maicao post, was attacked with 12.7 machineguns Saturday night. However, no loss of life or damage to property was reported in the attack. According to sources, Colombian forces did not retaliate and it was possible the target were fighters either crossing into Venezuelan Maracaibo province at night.

Eyewitness told this scribe on phone that Venezuelan military personnel held a local officer, and took him to a Venezuelan base on the other side of the border.

“There were 16 troops and several army soldiers who came in four vehicles and put the officer in their vehicle and took him to Venezuela", explained a local witness. He said since there was no border line between the two neighbouring countries, it was possible that the Colombian officer mistakenly crossed into Venezuela and was thus caught by the troops.

Local people have been noticing Venezuela gunship helicopters flying several kilometres inside Colombian territory for the last several hours.

By robi666 on Mar 2, 2008, 11:42 in Politics & the war.

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:42:

Bump!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:47:

Can we hold the war off, for a month?
I'M BEGINNING TO FEEL LIKE.......'LOVE IN THE TIME OF CHOLERA'... all over again.

I can't hold out that long... I'll be 146 yr old...

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:50:

WHAT??!! WHEN?! WHERE?!

Let me get my AK-47 and get my butt over there!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:51:

Wow!

It gets more and more exciting on here everyday.

Thank gawd because I don't own a TV!

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

chester says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:56:

chavez has ordered tanks to the frontier with colombia. also both ecuador and venezuela have withdrawn embassadors from bogota.

chavez and that dude from ecuador are playing with fire.

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 11:57:

They're both looking for a serious ass-whoopin'!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

tejasmarcos says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:00:

hmmm. i have no idea of what war might be like down here. how much military buildup does colombia/venezuela have? enough for war? or skirmishes?

- i saw more helicopters (american made?) on last nights newscast reporting the rr story than anything else. there were some older fighter planes they showed on the news as well (looked america). i'm not sure what kind they were, but they had the teeth painted behind the propellers.

- does either side have fighter jets? i would not think tanks would work in the jungles.

- what is the # of troops each side has active right now?

god is in your head

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:02:

I'll suit up as a volunteer fighter for Colombia any time, as long as they pay for my roundtrip ticket to Colombia, as well as my room and board in Medelin after the war is over, for a bit of R&R.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:08:

Colombia may need these sent Federal Express.

Amid mounting tensions between Colombia and Venezuela, Colombian defense minister announces the purchase of 24 Israeli fighter jets.

Colombia's Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos made the announcement after meeting with Israeli War Minister, Ehud Barak.

"There is an agreement to buy 24 renovated Kfir fighter planes from Israel, whose construction has already started. And the planes will be delivered at the start of next year," Santos said.

In his visit to Israel the Colombian minister also held meetings with senior military officials as well as Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert.

Kfir aircraft is a multi-purpose all-weather fighter jet, mainly used by the United States Navy.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

juancegomez says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:11:

To call a border incident or skirmish a war is an exaggeration at this point, even if this news (which I haven't been able to find elsewhere yet) is real.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:11:

tejasmarcos says, "- does either side have fighter jets?"

Yes. They have the number to the red phone in the White House.

Are you ready to suit up?

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

msaucey says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:11:

G_S, this is not the reaction I was talking to you about yesterday, but it kind of confirms my feeling on your pastusas future plan of travel....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:15:

exactly.
and, thanx.
maybe soon, she qualifies as....REFUGE.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:19:

wow...I hate chavez...

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:21:

The first order of business should be to bomb every oil production related facility in Venezuela. Chavez will find that a war will cost him his only real asset.

bogotabrian says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:22:

None of this is on any news stations in Medellin or on the coast (according to my friend). Not saying that this is not true, but I can't confirm it from Colombia.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:43:

this photo is too good not to share again.....

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

god is in your head

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:44:

Tejas: Great Pic!

ooops! ....Did I say that?

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:44:

It's actually a very prophetic photo, we'll have to wait and see.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:46:

He is one ugly, trogloditic fuck isn't he? He has always struck me as a bit slow even before he started all this shit with Colombia.

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:47:

send a copy to Chavez

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:48:

I actually used to like him before he started dissing Uribe and Colombia. But now I see this crazy bastard needs to go!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:50:

I have never liked him, but I was against the US backed coup against him. He is after all, the democratically elected president of a sovereign nation. However, since he started openly supporting the FARC, I think he should be made to pay.

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:54:

I liked his ideas of Latin American unity and less dependence on the US, but I agree with you CG, once he started supporting an evil orgainization like the FARC and insulted Uribe, I think he crossed the line.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:54:

I too was sympathetic to his efforts, but he's gone bonkers now! He's gone loco and it's gonna take some Venenzuleans to take him out!

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:55:

He/she will find what they are looking for.... Death to this two !!!!!!

Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:56:

It really is up to the Venezuelan people to correct their mistake. I hope they don't end up like Cuba, controlled by an infirm old man and his half-wit brother. Does Chavez have a brother?

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 12:58:

Colombianogringo..he is very FUGLY!!
Tejas..GREAT pic!!

HUSKIE! That's great!! Very good!

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:02:

"Does Chavez have a brother?"

Does he even have a mother?

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:06:

Chavez, what a total jackass! this guy just cant get enough attention can he, he is the Venezuelan Britney Spears, has to always be in the lime light.
He is making a big mistake messing with Colombia.

I will tell you what surprises me the US media has said nothing about this, i have been bouncing from FOX to CNN to MSNBC all day and i havent heard anything, im getting my info from the internet.

Simon what are you guys hearing in Colombia?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:06:

(I think..... I have created a ... monster ;-))

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:06:

hey huskie.. who is that you are 'burning' up there???

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:08:

well....shut my mouth! i no sooner do i post and FOX news comes on the air with a brief news story about Chavez massing troops on the Colombian border.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:08:

I'm in the US now Scotty and I also have been channel-surfiing between CNN, MSNBC, and FOX and they have not mentioned it at all, but this doesn't surprise me, the US media usually ignores what happens in Latin America, unless in affects them directly.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:08:

"he is the Venezuelan Britney Spears"

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thanks.

tomtom33 says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:09:

There was something on Fox, the Cartagena feed, but I missed it.

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:09:

Simon, Do you get Caracol Internacional or TV Colombia(RCN)?`

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:10:

Ok, I'm gonna check out FOX now.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:12:

T , to answer your question about jets, yes Venezuela has many Russian made jets.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:14:

CG,

I get Caracol TV Internacional...and you?

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:17:

Simon, sorry i thought you were in Colombia. someone in Colombia what are you hearing down there? gringoloid? somebody?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:17:

ColombianoGringo says, ""he is the Venezuelan Britney Spears"

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thanks."

Ditto!

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:18:

scotty, never heard about Orson Welles and the martian attack? ;)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:19:

Well. At this moment I have neither. I had Caracol, but I currently just have basic cable since I don't watch much TV.

We are going to order new satellite service as soon as we resolve which to get. I like Caracol on DirecTV, but my wife likes RCN and that would mean Dish Network. I am kind of leaning towards Dish because they will give me a free HD DVR.

I was at my parent's house watching Caracol this morning and saw the newscasts. I may head over to my granparents' place to catch the 7 PM news. They live a lot closer and the TV is glued on Caracol 24/7 there.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:21:

"he is the Venezuelan Britney Spears"

- hilarious!

huskie - how did you create that dynamic duo in hell effect? you made that whole thing with flecktor? or did you photoshop first to combine the two photos?

god is in your head

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:24:

So is there a war? I don't have those channels...

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:24:

Caracol didn't mention that on their midday news. Whoever sees the 7PM news please post.

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:24:

Someone says the story has been on FOX.........well shit........if it's been on FOX it must be true......

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:26:

Uff... again... never heard about Orson Welles and the martian attack? ;)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:26:

Let me clarify. Caracol did report everything about the 10 battalions that Chavez ordered to the border. They did not mention the same incursion that AFP reported.

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:27:

again... never heard about Orson Welles and the martian attack? ;)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:27:

Hey Simon, Totally off topic, but I am too lazy to look for the old Monopoly thread.

In case you missed it...

Bogota Monopoly
http://www.eltiempo.com/bogota/2008-03-02/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3...

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:28:

Whoah! I am going to have to check this out!

ooops! ....Did I say that?

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:28:

someone who has access to Colombian news please post....

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:30:

What do you think Caracol is?

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:31:

it's hilarious.... LOL
it's like a waterfall...

durito says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:31:

how do you say gullible in spanish?

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:33:

CG,

Gracias por el enlace,, una Monopolio Rolo, qué chistoso!

Right now they're not showing any news on Caracol TV, just Sabado Felices.

BTW, don't you people have anything better to do on a Sunday than hang around here online? Lol

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:33:

now the news is saying that Ecuador has also massed 3 battalions of their troops on the Colombian border.

any news from you guys living in Colombia, post it here please.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:34:

MaFe says on

........ "someone who has access to Colombian news please post...."

Ma.............I'm here in Medellin........the news is on...............but it's all in f**kin Spanish..............Why can't everybody just speak English.....?.......like Rush Limbaugh says.

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

jonas says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:34:

Now the farc claim that they were not in Ecuadorian territory. Interesting.

http://www.eluniversal.com/2008/03/02/chcol_ava_revista-de-las-farc:_0...

Bogotá.- Las afirmaciones del gobierno colombiano de que el jefe rebelde Raúl Reyes y los demás guerrilleros muertos ayer en un ataque militar se encontraban en Ecuador "son poco menos que una infamia", dijo hoy la revista Resistencia, órgano de difusión de las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC), en la primera reacción del grupo rebelde.

"Por ahora, podemos asegurar que las afirmaciones mendaces del gobierno donde aseguran que nuestros camaradas hacían presencia en la hermana república del Ecuador son poco menos que una infamia", señaló Resistencia en su página internet.

En el texto del mensaje, fechado en las montañas de Colombia, sus autores llamaron a "no claudicar en el esfuerzo en favor del canje humanitario y a continuar en nuestro propósito de paz", informó AFP.

De igual forma, previeron que en los próximos días el Secretariado (dirigencia) de las FARC, del que hacía parte Reyes, hará un pronunciamiento oficial sobre su muerte.

En otro de sus apartes, el artículo, titulado "Raúl, siempre será un comandante de hombres libres", señala: "la sangre derramada por los guerrilleros de las FARC, su legado revolucionario, social, político y humano, y su memoria, engrandecen nuestra causa".

Finalmente, Resistencia denunció que su portal colapsó, aunque sin explicar los motivos.

Reyes, segundo al mando de las FARC, murió en la madrugada de ayer junto a 16 guerrilleros, cuando aeronaves colombianas atacaron el campamento en el que se encontraba, en territorio ecuatoriano, según los gobiernos de Bogotá y Quito.

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

carolinda says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:37:

i just saw it mentioned on fox about 20 min ago

this is a video similar to what was on tv, theres a link to the video on this page..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334409,00.html

but on tv they spelled Colombian...Columbian....which still gets me upset!!

also loved the "Venezuelan Britney Spears" comment

jonas says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:37:

TV news? Telenovelas!

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:37:

.
I just got a piece of the news...........my Espanol is a bit dodgy............but from what I can understand.............Uribe has just surrendered................The Venezuelan flag has been raised over all public buildings in Bogota................and the sky is falling down on top of them............

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:39:

robi, that was in very bad taste. Congratulations. You had us looking for ways to verify your story. Here is a Spanish word for you.

MAMON!

Simon says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:41:

Check out this ridiculous comment from Chavez in the Fox news link:

""We pay tribute to a true revolutionary, who was Raul Reyes," Chavez said, recalling that he had met rebel in Brazil in 1995 and calling him a "good revolutionary.""

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

podborski says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:42:

not in ecuador?

I see what the game will be now, since Chavez can't complain about 'foreign military invading Ecuador', since by his definition FARC is a foreign military organization, now they'll try to say FARC were not in Ecuador but the Colombian military was.

Ah, ain't reality a bitch sometimes Hugo?

Waterdawg says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:45:

They just mentioned on CNN that Numb Nuts Ordered the Colombian Embassy closed and sent troops to the Border with Colombia .. Nada Mas .. Per CNNI , Directv.. There are no air raid sirens going off in Bogota yet .. Going out for a drink..

jonas says on Mar 2, 2008, 13:46:

Na, the Colombian military claims to having executed the strike from Colombian airspace.

http://www.eluniversal.com/2008/03/02/chcol_ava_colombia-asegura-que_0...

Colombia asegura que no violó soberanía ecuatoriana

Artículos relacionados

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(10:56 AM)FARC estiman que muerte de "Raúl Reyes" no debe afectar acuerdo humanitario

- Teléfono satelital traicionó a Reyes

Bogotá.- Colombia no violó la soberanía de Ecuador y actuó en legítima defensa, dijo hoy un comunicado de la cancillería en Bogotá.

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:03:

I just heard one of those talking heads on FOX..........can't remember his name.........Ruckinheimer.......or something like that...............but whatever about not remembering hi name..........he's one of the smart ones..........not an idiot by a long shot.....

Either way............he was asked what he thought about what is going on with Chavez.........his take was that one could not rule out that Chavez would actually go to war .......if for no other reason........as a distraction..............I missed the first part of what he said.................but this is one smart individual...................interesting take.....................maybe this is not something to be joking about..............

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:04:

Im curious, if Chavez and Ecuador are massing all these troops on Colombias borders...what is Colombia doing, are they also sending troops? i assume their military is on alert? whats going on inside Colombia at this time, surely there must be some military activity?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

cali373 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:08:

PROPAGANDA AT ITS BEST!

I dont think in todays political climate the FARC does anything good by existing as an armed group. But by definition, Raul Reyes is a true revolutionary.

Smile if you are a thinker!

cali373 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:09:

There are smart people on FOX! Must be a recent change of management.

Smile if you are a thinker!

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:12:

cali.........I totally agree with you.............but this guy is good...........f**k.......let me see if I can get his name.............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:15:

If any one has access to Euronews, BBC, TVE (Television espanola) Skynews, check on those, they have had some stuff, CNN International, also

"huskie - how did you create that dynamic duo in hell effect? you made that whole thing with flecktor? or did you photoshop first to combine the two photos?"
Some one sent me the picture, saved it and downloded on Tiny Pic and added fx to it, then copied the embeded code and posted
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:17:

G_S I'm burning two of my most admired people....BURN BURN BURN!!!! Yeppee!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:21:

Im still waiting to see what Colombias reaction is to this massive troop build up on their border, i havent heard anything about Colombian reaction??

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:23:

Hugo Chavez and Alvaro Uribe in the "War of The Words"... not to be confused with Robi666's thread... War Has Started!

http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/Radio/

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

vicshere says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:26:

rob where is the link to the OP story please provide

listo

expatriate says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:26:

Fighting in Latin America has almost always been one bluffing the other, except when the CIA is involved. I don't expect anything to come of this. There will be no winners.

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:29:

Vic,
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=6291

vicshere says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:34:

rob is this a joke or what? are you fucking with me and PBH members

listo

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:36:

yes.

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:36:

Yeah Robi...............f**kin Eye-Talian............MOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSS

Can you please relegate the Italian to the Bolivian section.................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

durito says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:36:

real news stories tend not to be so poorly written.

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:37:

That's what it looks like....could not find the info you were posting Robi, jaja. Everything is concentrated on Iraq - period.

Robi - you are a Baaaad Boy

ooops! ....Did I say that?

vicshere says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:38:

rob that's pretty stupid of you to post such a story I really though you were smarter than that
if the mods had any brains they would delete this post in a second

listo

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:39:

Carolinda, I also HATE when they mispell Colombia...

That video said that Chavez wants to liberate Colombia?! Porqueria de hombre!

Simon..everyone has had a mother at some point.

Elena Frías de Chávez, school teacher!
Older brother Adán.

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:39:

Vic: I agree...

Robi - you are a bad boy - smack!

ooops! ....Did I say that?

Ctg Bound says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:40:

vicshere,

A few people are try to blow up something that will probably die down in a few days.

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:42:

GS BTW ..."(I think..... I have created a ... monster ;-))"

jajajaja

ooops! ....Did I say that?

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:43:

You know, I have to confess that I wrote about it for a reason.

I just did not like the attitude of people. Like if killing is a reason to party.
Like if what it happened was not going to have international consequences.

So, I gave to the bold guys an hour of excitement...

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:44:

In view of the current escalation of hostilities...................Ireland formally declared war today on Venezuela........................The Irish navy has been dispatched from Dublin to come to Colombia's aid..............Every ship in the navy ( 3 ) is now on the high seas..........loaded down with fresh supplies of Guinness and potatoes in anticipation of a long battle........

They are expected to arrive in Cartagena sometime around December...........and will rest up there for a couple of months after the long perilous crossing..............the Irish consulate in Cartagena has been instructed to have all available prepagos standing by.

The Irish contingent are expected to remain in Colombia until the end of the war, or until they hear the first gun-shot.........whichever comes first................

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:44:

You can't blame him. There are many media outlets who are always trying to be the first with breaking news. If the war broke out, he could have said, you saw it here first. But lucky for us, and Colombia, and Hugo Monkey, there is no war.

He did drop a few hints... http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/Radio/

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

vicshere says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:45:

well fuck... I read it and saw AFP so though it was true...and since rob is a longer time member I didn't think he would have fucked with an international news story to create bullshit....disappointing in rob that's for sure...maybe he's been drinking or something I don't know but no excuse for this kind of shit

listo

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:45:

LOL RAYYYYY

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:48:

I missed his first Orson Welles post, but spotted the second and immediately realized it was a pile of bullshit. In reality, it is in very poor taste. Some of us have family in that area of Colombia and it is not something about which to joke. Had it come from someone who was a known troll, I would expect it. Robi had seemed like a cool guy.

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:48:

MOOOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS..................

.........................Please kick Robi off to the Bolivian section.............this is wartime...........it calls for drastic action................

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

vicshere says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:50:

exactly CG i am in the north east and i take it personaly

listo

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:51:

Google it and go down to colombia site, same news as everywhere else

cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:53:

VIC, I agree with you....my mother and brother are flying to Colombia tomorrow and I called them scared....ahhhhhhhhhhhh

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

divingdave911 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:54:

New Page 1

divingdave911 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:55:

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:55:

Another Mick with a problem with Italians. It figures though.

Thankfully, mom was 100% Black Irish and dad was 100% Sicilian so I can tell any mick or any wap to go F*** themselves. Right raaay?

wendell13 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:55:

That was funny Ray

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:55:

Tensiones entre Colombia y Venezuela durante los gobiernos de Uribe y Chávez

02 de Marzo de 2008, 05:34pm ET
BOGOTA, 2 Mar 2008 (AFP) -
La decisión del presidente venezolano Hugo Chávez de enviar tropas para militarizar los más de 2.000 kilómetros de frontera con Colombia, y de cerrar la Embajada en Bogotá es el último, y más caliente episodio de tensión durante sus mandatos.

A continuación un recuento de los principales hechos de la sobresaltada relación bilateral:

2002:

- 18 de mayo: El presidente venezolano se opone durante una cumbre de mandatarios de América Latina y la Unión Europea, a que esta última incluya a las FARC en su lista de organizaciones terroristas.

2003:

- 4 de febrero: La ministra colombiana de Defensa, Martha Lucía Ramírez, denuncia que las FARC llevaron a secuestrados colombianos a territorio venezolano.

- 8 de febrero: Uribe pide a Venezuela, Brasil, Ecuador y Perú que designen "formalmente" a las FARC como organización terrorista.

- 24 de febrero: Uribe asegura que las FARC tienen presencia en Venezuela y llama a Caracas a coordinar acciones militares contra los rebeldes. La embajada venezolana en Bogotá admite una "mínima presencia" de las FARC en zonas fronterizas de su país.

- 6 de marzo: Uribe advierte que está dispuesto buscar a "los terroristas en "Venezuela o cualquier otro lugar donde se refugien", tras un ataque de las FARC en la frontera.

2004:

- 13 de diciembre: Militares venezolanos -recompensados por Bogotá- detienen en Caracas a Rodrigo Granda, denominado 'canciller' de las FARC, y lo conducen hasta la frontera donde lo entregan a autoridades colombianas.

2005:

- 14 de enero: Chávez rompe relaciones comerciales con Colombia y retira a su embajador en Bogotá, exigiendo una disculpa por el "secuestro" de Granda.

2006:

- 22 de abril: Chávez anuncia que Venezuela se retira de la Comunidad Andina de Naciones (CAN), debido a la negociación de Tratados de Libre Comercio (TLC) con Estados Unidos por parte de Colombia y Perú.

- 24 de abril: Caracas pide a Bogotá extraditar al empresario Pedro Carmona, refugiado desde 2002 tras encabezar el fracasado golpe de Estado contra Chávez.

2007:

- 22 de Noviembre: Uribe pone fin a mediación de Chávez ante las FARC para canje de secuestrados por guerrilleros presos por una llamada inconsulta del mandatario venezolano al comandante del Ejército colombiano.

- 25 de Noviembre: Chávez "congela" la relaciones con Colombia. Uribe lo acusa de querer instaurar en Colombia un gobierno de las FARC, dentro de su propósito de "incendiar" y "expandirse" por el continente.

- 26 de Noviembre: Colombia dice que espera una definición de qué significa este congelamiento de relaciones, mientras Chávez arremete de nuevo contra Uribe diciendo que es "vocero de la oligarquía antibolivariana".

2008:

-10 de Enero: Las FARC liberan a las políticas Clara Rojas y Consuelo González, como "gesto de desagravio" con Chávez y con la senadora colombiana Piedad Córdoba.

-11 de Enero: El presidente venezolano solicita a la comunidad internacional suprimir al ELN y a las FARC de la lista de grupos terroristas, y otorgarles a estas dos guerrillas estatus de beligerancia.

-16 de Enero: Bogotá protesta formalmente por la iniciativa de Chávez de pedir que se retire el calificativo de terroristas a las guerrillas colombianas.

-22 de Enero: Chávez ordena a la Guardia Nacional aumentar su presencia en la frontera para detener el contrabando de alimentos y de gasolina.

-27 de Febrero: La mayor guerrilla colombiana libera de forma unilateral a cuatro ex congresistas, como un nuevo gesto de desagravio con Chávez y Córdoba.

-28 de Febrero: Chávez propone que un grupo de países amigos latinoamericanos reciba a emisarios de Colombia y las FARC para negociar la libertad de todos los secuestrados de las FARC. Uribe dice que prefiere "no comentar" esta propuesta.

-1 de Marzo: El presidente venezolano advierte a Uribe, que si realiza un ataque militar en territorio venezolano contra las FARC, similar al realizado en Ecuador, sería "causa de guerra".

-2 de Marzo: Chávez ordena cerrar la Embajada de Venezuela en Bogotá, y exhorta a su ministro de Defensa a enviar 10 batallones y desplegar tanques y aviones en la frontera con Colombia.

Copyright 2008 AFP. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

divingdave911 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:55:

I'm trying to post a cute Hugo photo. Can anyone offer good advice on how to do that?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:56:

nope there isn't such a thing as a "cute" chavez photo...hehehhe

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:56:

Divin, good luck...it would required Hugo getting MAYOR plastic surgery!

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:57:

divingdave911,
www.tinypic.com

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:57:

Robbii " You know, I have to confess that I wrote about it for a reason.

I just did not like the attitude of people. Like if killing is a reason to party.
Like if what it happened was not going to have international consequences.
So, I gave to the bold guys an hour of excitement..."

Respectivey speaking Robbi....I call this a "talking yourself out of a paperbag" excuse. I think you might have upset a few posters
Ever heard of the boy who cried "Wolf" too many times???

You must be bored Amigo jajaja

ooops! ....Did I say that?

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:58:

or www.flickr.com

wendell13 says on Mar 2, 2008, 14:58:

Then he should come to Medellin or Cali for the plastic surgery

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:02:

Very true Wendell!
I found this one online...........

"Las Nenas De Fidel"
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"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:04:

Mario...................I don't have a problem with all Italians....................just this Robi character.........all he does is drink red wine and eat Pasta..............and he is making fun of the current terrible situation...........good lord man.......we're trying to have a war here.............this is no time to be making fun of Chavez............we all know he is a serious character whose words should be listened to carefully.............He has made war noises against pretty much every country in the Hemisphere and done nothing about it........so obviously he does'nt want to look like a silly billy again.............break out the khaki gear.......
Stock up on emergency supplies ( beer & chips )..............the red devil is on his way.......

But, perhaps most importantly..............dump that Robi character into the Bolovian section.........I've seen him wear a red shirt.........he must be a Chavez agent.............

And as for everybody else...........take a chill pill........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:04:

It's time for a little time out for everyone... scroll on down to the thread

"Do we really need 10 threads on the same subject? Like Chavez vs Uribe? FARC Raul Reyes Dead?" - Medellin Traveler

And treat yourself to a nice little action video, enjoy.

Rob666,
I forgive you.

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CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:07:

MaFe - LOL - gal - that pic - well...that's just nasty! jajaja

ooops! ....Did I say that?

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:07:

Some one sent me the picture, saved it to my pictures then go to http://tinypic.com/ a browse window will appear, click on that, find the pick, download and then copy the embeded code and post. Hope it helps
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:08:

TODAY....

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PBH DRAMA.... AT IT'S BEST.

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.jje.. for any newbies... you gotta learn quickly...
..........PBH DRAMA AND EXTREMIST OUT IN FORCE TODAY.

I just spoke to another friend in Bogota, by phone.
A very wise lady, at that! (Imagine..jaj!)
Everything today is for speculation.
But,.. I am glad to see RAAY finally admit this could be serious... as if before he didn't want us thinking he was concerned.
But, his first position was likely correct.
And, THE PBH COMMUNITY IS GETTIN THEIR ROX OFF TODAY...
... for good cause.

I hope the person I have spoken with en telefon will perhaps take a break and POST SOME SENSIBLE THOUGHTS HERE .... so you all will have a word from.....THE LIGHTER SIDE... MAYBE MORE REAL.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:08:

This one is nasty CG! Jeeje je

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MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:09:

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"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:10:

AND then there's MaFe.... I see (good!) that she is also on THE LIGHTER SIDE...jaj,
thanx mafecita.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

divingdave911 says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:10:

http://img355.rockyou.com/imagehost/7/7639/7639262/7639262_1f47f7cc120...

OK, Since I can't figure out how to upload the photo properly....just click on the link. It's Hugos best photo as he is captured by the Colombian Army

CatGirl says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:10:

Ma Fe? Is that Ringo Starr baby? who is Hugo's bedfellow - eeek

ooops! ....Did I say that?

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:12:

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I've just spotted that Robi character driving down Av Poblado in an armoured personell carrier..
He's wearing his f**kin red shirt again and has a load of suspicious looking f**kers in the back seat..............they are obviously up to no good.......I spotted a straw broom protruding out of the back window so he must have that witch of a wife with him also............

There is, what appears to be , a case of red wine on the roof........and a load of spagetti packages next to it..........................

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:12:

Send Robbi to the gallows, we do not need his jokes about war, this is serious stuff...
" Cute" pics everybody
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:13:

Here Diving...
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divingdave911 says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:14:

Gracias....what did you type in for that to display?

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:16:

diving, the easiest way is to go to tinypic.com, (I learned this from HoustonGal) upload the picture and copy here the HTML for websites code, the top one.

"No comment" is a splendid expression. I am using it again and again." -Winston Churchill

Atrevido says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:17:

12.7 machines guns? Was the thirteenth a mini-uzi or something?

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:22:

Hugo Chavez

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

MaFe says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:22:

CatGirl, He is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran...

Seems to be very "CLOSE" to Hugo..ja ja j a
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DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:24:

Fidel giving birth to Hugo Chavez

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:28:

Farc Toy
Hugo Chavez doll

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:32:

I was just down by Park Lleras...............Colombians are panicking

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Papi de Alejo says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:35:

I see some red shirts and some red eyes!!!!!!!!

PdA

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:36:

rob, you know what i learned from your fake post, i learned never to believe anything you ever post again. this situation of Chavez massing troops is serious chit and you go and post some dumb ass stuff like you did.
i will never take any of your posts serious again.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:38:

If it's fake, why is it on the BBC and CNN web sites?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/03/02/chavez.colombia/index.htm...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7274038.stm

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:38:

Yeah........right on Scotty...........actually ....all this is probably Clinton's fault.........

MOOOODDDDSSSSSS.........................Please send Robi to Boliva

Now I'm off for a beer............someone call me if Chavez arrives....

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:39:

Good for those paisas, that is the attitude, lets hope it continues...and nothing serious happens in the coming days, this pictures depict Colombians as they are, optimists!! Yeah
Thanks Rayyyy
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:40:

hey mario the troop mpvement isnt fake, but Rob just admitted he faked the part about the attack between chavez tropps and colombian troops.

im moving up to a thread that makes a little more since "Chavez orders troops to Colombian border" posted by Sloopskipper.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:50:

Ah, thanks scottie. Totally wrong move on his part to write that.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:50:

Hey Scotty, I'm sorry you feel so strongly against Robi666's post. We've all been bamboozled at one time or another. No reason to get to upset about it.

If it was April's Fools Day, would you feel any different?

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 15:53:

There's a lot of reasons to be upset about it. That kind of shit can cause someone with a weak heart to have a coronary attack for one - and there's a hundred other reasons why it was in seriously poor taste and beyond that, just plain FUBAR. If you need that acronym defined, let me know.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 2, 2008, 16:03:

Please define.

I hate ACRONYM's! Especially the one with two L's and a O in the middle.

Thanks in advance.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 16:11:

Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 16:22:

RAAAY... do you get all of your perspectives from teenieboppers?

I talked to a few colombians today.
THEY ARE NOT PANICKING.

WHY WOULD THEY?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 16:25:

those teens look pretty darned happy ! to know they live in Colombia...jejj
rather than Venezuela... or ecuador.
they look to me like, they're still frolicking in jubilation over what happened yesterday...
I don't see any panick in those faces.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

poco says on Mar 2, 2008, 16:29:

I think it's funny. A little more effort and it would have been perfect.

Did you know?

To Detect testicular cancer the TCRC recommends following these steps every month or twice daily if living in Colombia.

http://tinyurl.com/2mcu32

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:02:

Well, again, an explanation...

When I first read the news yesterday, I immediately had the feeling of something serious and dangerous happening.
You don't go and just bomb a camp in Ecuador, NOT at this time, NOT with the actual international situation, NOT with El Loco Chavez around.
It has been a very, very hazardous move by President Uribe. I am not judging if bad or good move, he took the weight of it on his shoulders and he showed to be a leader. Time will tell.

But, PBH was just in an euphoric state of mind... people posting funny shit around, someone wanted to party, someone wanted to drink.
I tried to make people consider what it could happen, before Chavez was declaring to send his soldiers to the border with Colombia.

So I thought: do people need a real war to consider that this is not a game? So I invented a war for an hour...

Sorry if someone got scared. Scotty, do not take it personally. I'll make you forgive me...

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:07:

It was a putz maneuver.

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:44:

http://english.aljazeera.net/English
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:45:

How many threads do you think you will post this address into?

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:19:

Funny thing... I was driving along Avenida El Poblado and wearing a red shirt... just when Ray posted about it... :)

huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:21:

I am done, thank you very much
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

fecherklyn says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:25:

Robi666 was not the only person to think this "take-out" was a high risk operation and wonder how he had/was going to cover his tracks about an operation in another nation with an opposing doctrine. It was my first reaction also and I wondered what could happen to all the initial euphoria once Chavez/Correa and the FARC themselves had got over the 1st shock.

That said, Robi's playful reminder that everybody had yet to have their say was surely "over the top" for those of a more believing nature. Robi, Orson only just got away with it and he was (even then) considered a genius. Fat chances you would get away with this without some justifiable flak.

That said, is everyone that has complained about Robi's post convinced that it could not represent news headlines in the next few days?

Mario says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:29:

It could well be. Chavez is a loon. Could be.

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:39:

Minister Araujo just left a fair declaration, apologizing, Uribe and Colombia reacted in a proper manner to provocations and Correa is not Chavez.

Let's hope for the best...

http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-...

If the targeted camp was in Venezuela and not Ecuador, the operation was going to cause a war. 100%.

chrispej says on Mar 2, 2008, 19:43:

RAAAY

"Now I'm off for a beer............someone call me if Chavez arrives...."

LMOA (with tears in my eyes)

Great posts! Dude

el torcido says on Mar 2, 2008, 19:52:

where's the guy who always said 1 colombian soldier could take out 3 venezuelan guys?
I was wanting to know what his opinion was about ?# venezuelan soldiers one F-16 or 15, what ever the number might be, piloted by some of the precision USA guys could take out.

don't know much about 'conomy

el torcido says on Mar 2, 2008, 19:54:

the other thing I can't figure out on my own is the name of the guy with axe in hand, over chavez in the photo?

don't know much about 'conomy

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 19:56:

Vínculos de gobierno ecuatoriano con las Farc señala Colombia y pide explicaciones

El director de la Policía, general Óscar Naranjo, reveló documentos preliminares en los que 'Raúl Reyes' tiene contactos con el ministro de Seguridad Interior del vecino país, Gustavo Larrea.

Los documentos a que hizo referencia Naranjo fueron hallados en tres computadores incautados por las autoridades tras la acción militar que terminó con la muerte de Raúl Reyes.

El director de la Policía, durantre una rueda de prensa en la Casa de Nariño, aseguró que en el documento el gobierno de Ecuador se compromete a relevar los mandos policiales y militares en las zonas de presencia de Farc, con información basada en reportes de la propia guerrilla.

También, según Naranjo, le solicitó a Manuel Marulanda, alias 'Tirofijo', un aporte que impulse la gestión de Correa en el canje, que podría ser entregarle a ese gobierno el hijo del profesor Moncayo, Pablo Emilio.

Uhmmm... beginning to get real hot out there.... what is Óscar Naranjo thinking?

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 19:57:

http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-...

RAAAY says on Mar 2, 2008, 20:05:

This Robi character appears to be still here..........................

....................................................why is not posting in the Bolovia section........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 2, 2008, 20:06:

Hey, you promised no more Peronis... I bet you had a few of them...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the presen