VERY SERIOUS, I’M REALLY WORRIED!

boricuapr says on Dec 23, 2004, 22:02:

nice try i never said that six will hit but i'll make it a point to tickle file this site for the rainy season next year and we will see just what bugs you may have up yours once the water reaches you in cartagena. merry x-mas and keep the spray handy you just might need it.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 24, 2004, 12:19:

Where's Gator? Another chorus of Kumbaya! OK, Patrick, so there! We'll see just how many bugs you have up your culo. Pero una pregunta. Boricuapr, Pablo wants to know if you wear high-waters?

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Gator says on Dec 24, 2004, 14:51:

No Kumbata,Panic Buying! Two flare guns, two life jackets, EPRB (Emergency Position Indicating Radiobeacon),two-person raft meeting all SOLAS (Safety of Life at Sea) requirements. Even though Gators are use to the water I am taking no chances. ¡El que ríe último ríe mejor!

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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boricuapr says on Dec 24, 2004, 20:16:

all the times over here they are called brinca charcos. it will serve you well to be prepared once they start spraying 300 million dollars worth of pesticides on your pretty mountains.its f^%$^ed up and i'm against it and so are many others. its worst than agent orange and its effects are serious. vamos a ver si es verda.

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boricuapr says on Dec 24, 2004, 21:37:

united states federal government appropriations 2005 If you want to know what is coming then check out House Resolution, HR 4818, Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2005 (final version already signed into law), the chemicals are on their way real sooooon to an area very near you. Within the next six months your country's beautiful mountain sides are going to be hit with some pretty nasty shit. Its effects will not be immediately felt nor seen but they will surely create much harm to you lands and water. This may be a joking matter for the ones that have nothing else to do but post garbage and tease one another but for the rest of you who truly love your country take note the united states government has authorized a chemical war against your country side that will eventually effect your cities and surrounding communities. If i sound alarmist that too is fine. But the FACT remains that this is currently an ON GOING "FOREIGN OPERATION" APPROVED BY THE CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, not a simple boyscouts meeting in your back woods. Within the next two months your president or his "designee" will meet with the under secretary of state for foreign operations to submit the "coordination" and release of funds for the international purchase and use of these chemicals. From there it will be a matter of placing "U.S. ADVISERS" on the ground to direct and advise the implementation of the application of close to TWO MILLION DOLLARS worth of pesticides and herbicides over close to four million acres throughout the Andes, mianly in COLOMBIA. It just seems to me that there are hundreds if not thousands of people within all the "strata" you guys talk about that will be hurt by this and the irony is that your president has approved it. I'm sure if the general population had their say it would not take place.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 24, 2004, 21:44:

Really ? Worse than A.O.? That's nasty ......just like at the face of the guy running for president of the Ukraine (or is it Ukrane?) forget it, Ukrania. He aged 15 years in just three months...
I don't want that on mis frutas y verduras....

Vamos a ver

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 24, 2004, 21:45:

I take umbrage to your charge that all we do is post garbage and tease one another. Some of us like to post alarmist nonsense as well. Pablo, my taxi driver, says he will try on the high-waters but if too many people make fun of him, he's taking them off.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 24, 2004, 22:01:

Utopia Change cab your cab driver already. Pablo couldn't even get 2 gringo millionares laid in Medellin, the easiest city in the world to get laid in! What good is he?. Afuera---chao.....

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Patrick says on Dec 25, 2004, 18:46:

BORICUAPR, "i never said that six will hit"

As a matter of fact you did! The paragraph below is copied and pasted from your original posted topic.

“after reading about the floods and seeing the pictures in print and on video as well as the satellite overheads from the geostat weather site on the internet, the area along the caribbean coast of colombia is going to have major errosion and health problems in the coming years. specifically, barranquilla, santa marta, cartagena and the other low lying coastal areas are going to be faced with this problem. it has already been predicted that the year 2005 hurricane season will have at least 6 major storms that will touch upon this area.”

Since only two hurricanes have “touched upon” (hit) Cartagena in the last 500 years the chances of 6 in 2005 is so remote as to be ridicules. So a little ribbing was in order. Your concern for the coastal area of Colombia is admirable; however your arguments are extremely week and disjointed. You are trying to connect unrelated problems to make your point. That does not make for a good debate!

1) Hurricanes have not been a problem for the northern coast of Colombia in the past and are not likely to be in the foreseeable future, as I pointed out to you in my serious reply to your “floods” post. The report, which I have read twice now, makes no such prediction and carries a very strong disclaimer, which was pointed out to you as well.

2) The spraying of herbicides takes place almost entirely in the southern half of the country where 99% of the illegal drug producing plants are grown. It is not a factor for the northern coast and does not contribute to the flooding problem in the areas you mention.

3) While I may be up to my “rear-end” in water sometime in the future it will not be from herbicides or hurricanes. It will most likely be from rising sea levels caused by the melting of both polar ice caps, something that seems to be accelerating. Cartagena is only slightly above sea level. This problem will not just affect Colombia, but the entire world.

The flooding problems on the northern coast of Colombia are mainly caused by the building of unregulated housing by the poor. “Barrios” are created which have no paved roads, sewers, drainage, plumbing or sanitation. They are built on the sides of hills, anywhere that these unfortunate people can build them. They strip the land of the trees and vegetation that would normally stop flooding from occurring. So, when heavy rains come, as happened this year, terrible flooding occurs. This is a serious problem and needs to be addressed by the Government and the citizens of the cities and departments where it is occurring.

The spraying of herbicides is another problem and while I agree with you that it should not be done, until the United States of America stops the “War on Drugs” the spraying will continue. This is a political issue; it will take a groundswell of informed citizens in both countries to bring it to a halt. It will probably take the legalization of drugs to bring this about, something that will not happen under the Bush administration.

So, my young friend, (I can call you that, I’m 62 years old) when you present your case use facts that can be substantiated and are relevant to the point that you want to make. You will then win converts to your cause and not be ridiculed.

I trust you had a Merry Christmas and will have a very Happy New Year.

Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul!

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kernow62 says on Dec 25, 2004, 20:25:

Perhaps boricuapr meant 6 hurricanes are predicted to hit "this" area he was referring to where he is, in Puerto Rico?

(3) on your list above is another good reason to move to Bogotá, it will take a lot of rising water levels to reach Bogotá.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 25, 2004, 20:34:

"it will take a lot of rising water levels to reach Bogotá." Yes, but what if everyone flushes their toilets at the same time?

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2004, 21:25:

Rain and more rain It rains a lot in Bogota, but the street's (especially CR 13) water
level rises so fast, I can't help believe that some of that water comes from the toilets already. If it has some of that perticide in the water, maybe it will eat the soles of my shoes. Now that will be good for the shoe industry, even if it's not good for the farmers.

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boricuapr says on Dec 26, 2004, 08:28:

heres a site you may want to view. since i'm disjointed and not corrobative of the facts i presented, i suppose a little show and tell is appropriate to make the case that although there has never been a "direct" hit on the coast the secondary effects that "touch upon" the coast are just as damaging. so for your entertainment and education check out the historical storm tracking at www.wunderground.com/hurricane/hurrarchive/.asp At this site you can trace the pronounced "dip" that the patterns have been taking over the last 60 or 70 years. once this dip falls below 10 degrees lat your coast gets "touched upon". it is a fact that a storm that is 300 miles in diameter (radius), does have effects such as what you call "Heavy Rains". as for being "hit" you really do not know the difference between a "hit" and being "touched upon" when speaking about such storms. If i wanted to say "HIT" i would have used the word "HIT" and not "Touched Upon" clearly there is a difference and I thought you would get it. If you are hit in that way by a storm it means that the "eye or center" sits directly atop of the geographical area. To be "touched upon" is to say affected marginally or as in the outer parts of the storm affects a particular geographic area beneath it. In either case the historical fact remains that the patterns are slowly but consistently dipping more frequently at or below the 10 lat position once they are created. This in turn does affect you. in addition to the other factors such as deforestation and the "barrios" being created with no appropriate planning it all points to one inescapable position. That the events will re-occur every year and no one individual remedy is going to prevent them. I live in puerto rico and we are faced with the prospect of getting "HIT" every year and like with the unregulated development in colombia we too have been the victim of poor planning in that area. so Abuelo:) be at ease with your self because as you well know there are some things in life that are totally bigger then us and that we have no control over.enjoy the tracking site it is indeed very informative. Happy New Year.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 26, 2004, 09:36:

Since you're disjointed does that mean you can do strange things with your elbows and fingers? I can wiggle my ears.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2004, 13:14:

utopia It means borcua will swim better when the toilets with the insecticide
overflow in Bogota'. Disjointed mean better and faster stroking--for aquatic purposes anyway.

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kernow62 says on Dec 26, 2004, 13:36:

I am not going to argue with boricuapr on this one. If somebody had told me a year ago that my house in Orlando would get hit by three hurricanes I would have told them they were crazy. Now I know better. It may never happen again but I now have hurricane storm panels and a garage door brace installed as well as reinforced roof trusses and sheathing.

It really bothers me that I can't find something to argue about.

Oh hang on. Diameter and radius aren't the same thing.

Now I feel better.

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boricuapr says on Dec 26, 2004, 14:59:

tsunami hey i bet the thousands of people just affected by the tsunami in the indian and pacific oceans where never expecting that event and they were all hundreds of mile away from the epicenter. there was no pablo taxi or any tiolet flushing going on there, at least not for some time.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:10:

Those tsunamis, what a lucky break for you, Boricuapr! I guess this means we have to take you seriously and put on our high-waters now.

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boricuapr says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:23:

wrong!!!! as i told you before they are called "BRINCA CHARCOS".

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:39:

Well, we weren't paying attention before. Until the tsunamis showed up, no one had even read your posts. Some people had to go out and buy high-waters because they didn't have any. What's a BRINCA CHARCO?

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Patrick says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:49:

BRINCA CHARCOS MEANS PUDDLE JUMPERS.

PUDDLE JUMPERS????

Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul!

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:53:

Yea what is a ? Brinca Charco ??? It's not in world....or in Colombia
And, those people with the tsinamis...what do they car about Pablo in his taxi. Unless pablo can pilot a boat. And Pablo is kind of useless anyway....

As for the lack of toilet flushing...with all that tsunami water out there, nobody needs a toilet toilet anyway.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2004, 15:55:

Tsunami Putting all jokes aside.........for a moment,,, word is OVER 11,000 PEOPLE DEAD Dios mios

World's strongest earth quake in 40 years

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Lionheart says on Dec 26, 2004, 16:24:

in Indian Ocean 7 countries are victims

devastating tidal waves over 10 meters high

8.9 on Richter scala

God have mercy

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Miguel says on Dec 26, 2004, 16:53:

verdad How the hell can you people joke about over eleven thousand people dead?

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boricuapr says on Dec 26, 2004, 17:05:

its no funny it is very serious It is indeed unfortunate for those people who have lost their lives. They had no warnings and never knew what was coming. In that part of the world there are very few detection systems in place. At least the Atlantic and the Caribbean are covered with under water detectors that can give some notice but not anything suffecient enough to head for the hills. These detectors measure the faults along the ocean floor and check this out, more than 200 earth quakes hit the caribbean fault a MONTH! Just a few weeks ago one was felt and registered 5.3 on the ritcter scale just a few mile south of St Criox Virgin Islands. This is not a joking matter. According to some of the reports, the planets "Axis" was jolted by this quake. The Italian Geophysics Institute made that declaration not me. Things are definately changing around the world and all these things are not "isolated" inccidents but cause and effects that are now more closely observed by many.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2004, 18:25:

who is joking? I'm the guy who mentioned the number of dead....But that's life. Things happen. Thank god, not too often. The world's not always a nice place to live in

Look at Africa. AIDS everywhere you go. No meds to stop the progreesion of virus once infected. These people are dieing one of the most horrible deaths one can imagine..

In fact I woould rather die in a Tsunami...not too plesant either, but at least ist's quick.

On the other hand...I live in the Midwest...No tsunamis on the horizon here....I'm sure about that!

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Hunter says on Dec 27, 2004, 04:23:

boricuapr Can you please explain to me how man has affected earth quakes.

Hunter

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boricuapr says on Dec 27, 2004, 07:45:

hunter i do not understand your question. if your are asking has "man" created an environment that triggers earth quakes the answer is no, at least not that i know. if you are asking can "man" cause an earth quake the answer is possibly. there are regions beneath the oceans that are vulnerable to man made conditions that may cause earth quakes but the circumstances are very unlikely. deep sea minerals exploration is one such possiblity if the use of high explosives is part of that exploration. so please elaborate on the question and then i might be able to address it. if by the way you are implying that the events that i have been posting are the direct causes of earth quakes that is not my position.

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Gator says on Dec 27, 2004, 08:40:

I, Too, Am Asking for the Same Explanation as Sr. Hunter. As for boricuapr: No le hagas caso a este tonto. Ten cuidado no metas la pata.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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boricuapr says on Dec 27, 2004, 11:18:

it a shame you guys feel the way you do gator, patrick,hunter and all the rest i hope that your country does fare well because it is your country and not mine that is being affected by things that i tried to bring to light. if you do not appreciate an intelligent discussion of the things that are coming your way, if in fact you even live in colombia, then just ignore what ever i post and don't waste your time reading it with out understanding it. there are other people on this board who do understand and perhaps have taken the time to view the sites i posted. if you think that what i have been saying is so out of the ordinary then do the intelligent thing and post the facts you believe substantiate conclusively your respectives positions. any thing short of that is the REAL waste of time. good luck. los tontos son ustedes que se cren que lo sabe todo pero estan bien equivocado.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 27, 2004, 11:35:

Boricuapr, you've discovered our secret. We are actually high school boys who are skipping school screwing around on the internet. Damm! You aren't going to tell our mothers, are you? She thinks we're working on a science project instead of messing around with Mrs. Gomez.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 27, 2004, 13:01:

I dropped out of school and moved out !! I don't care if my mother knows or doesn't know about the havoc that I cause.

It's my life.

I might even be responsible for an earthquake from time to time.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 27, 2004, 13:03:

Gomezman, were you the guy in the next stall to me? Man, that guy made the earth quake!

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Gator says on Dec 27, 2004, 16:12:

boricuapr No hay de qué amigo, estoy aqui para servirle.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 27, 2004, 19:18:

Utopia-- I tend to cause these problems from time to time. I had hoped you would not know it was me. But.......next time, I'll be more discreet.


On to other new. I think Boricuapr is fed up with us. Maybe next time I'll be in the stall next boricuapr and then, I can really shake things up.

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Lionheart says on Dec 27, 2004, 19:21:

Boricuapr I think many of us are reading what you write with great attention, but they are not willing to join the general fray going on here lately. I am waiting for this to phase out before I start asking questions again. Thank you for all the information you are providing.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 27, 2004, 22:18:

Hey, Gomezman, as far as I am concerned, you can rock the house!

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 27, 2004, 22:25:

Utopia....Tsunami Gomez I've rocked houses, and more. I wonder if I can create my own personal Tsunami. Maybe I'll even get credit for it and they will name it after me, just like they name hurricanes after people.

Hence: Tsunami Gomez

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Hunter says on Dec 28, 2004, 16:06:

boricuapr Actually I work for a non profit making company connected with re-forestation in Colombia, my time is donated for free, so have some interest and knowledge of certain things related to enviromental topics.

I have been reading your posts, but not responding to them, because of your alarmist predictions, which I have been hearing and reading about for 25 yearts, I learnt long ago to take them with a very large pinch of salt.

Hunter

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 28, 2004, 17:23:

Bingo Hunter.....Exactly my point You might want to read the other thread, she started when she abandoned this one: It's called, "Sad but True". She starts the same rhetoric all over again. Then when people start making a few jokes to get her to mellow out, she gets angry and starts attacking everyone,and even suggests that people should leave this board. That's ironic considering she, like myself is kind of new here.

In the above thread, I literaly call her an alarmist and I tell her that her dogmatic cry of fire approach, does not sound like it's inviting intelligent debate...I think she is getting the message though.

But you are right on my man !!

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