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Venezuela has bought over $4 billion in weapons; COLOMBIA is fearful

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE58E7BV20090915

QUITO (Reuters) - With tensions running high over a U.S. military pact with Colombia and Venezuela's plan to buy $2 billion in Russian weapons, South American defense officials met on Tuesday to try to avoid an arms crisis.

The UNASUR group of nations is calling for transparency in defense deals to calm tensions between Colombia's conservative government and its socialist neighbors in the Andean region.

"It is very important that there is a full, detailed discussion of arms purchases as well as guarantees and confidence mechanisms," Colombian Foreign Minister Jaime Bermudez said at Tuesday's UNASUR meeting in Quito.

Venezuela said it would share information about its weapons purchases, but accused neighboring Colombia of secrecy in its deal to allow U.S. troops access to up to seven of its bases.

"We have seen neither the bold nor the fine print of the accord and of course this generates worries," Venezuelan Vice President Ramon Charrizalez told reporters at the meeting.

Ecuador cut diplomatic ties with Colombia last year after President Alvaro Uribe, Washington's main South American ally, ordered the bombing of a Colombian rebel camp on Ecuador's side of the border.

The United States has provided more than $6 billion in mostly military and anti-narcotics aid to Colombia over the last nine years and the two countries plan to deepen their cooperation with an expanded security agreement that has sent political shock waves through the region.

By mariacvetanoski on Sep 15, 2009, 15:00 in Politics & the war.


mariacvetanoski says on Sep 15, 2009, 15:01:

Ecuadorean leader Rafael Correa says any more cross-border raids by Colombia will be met with a military response.

In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced U.S. concern that Venezuela's plan to buy more Russian weapons, including tanks and anti-aircraft missiles, could set off an arms race in the region.

"We have expressed concerned about the number of Venezuelan arms purchases. They outpace all other countries in South America and certainly raise questions as to whether there is going to be an arms race in the region," she said at a press conference with visiting Uruguayan President Tabare Vazquez.

Tabare Vazquez said the arms race had already begun and was using up scarce resources in a region of widespread poverty.

Colombia says its expanded pact with the U.S. military is aimed at helping the fight against drug trafficking.

But Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, a fierce critic of U.S. foreign policy, says the bases could be used to launch an attack on his country.

In recent years, Venezuela has bought over $4 billion in weapons from Russia, including 24 Sukhoi fighter jets.

On Sunday Chavez said he was buying an advanced S-300 missile defense system and 92 tanks with a $2.2 billion credit from Moscow. Continued...

Save the street children of Colombia Now!!

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poco says on Sep 15, 2009, 15:48:

Quote: Ecuador cut diplomatic ties with Colombia last year after President Alvaro Uribe, Washington's main South American ally, ordered the bombing of a Colombian rebel camp on Ecuador's side of the border.
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Does anyone on hear actually know what happend ? Please, post I BELIEVE !!!

Need to start a clueless list.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 15:54:

We don't fear nothin'!

With or without those $4 billion weapons, Colombia would still wipe the floor with those communist SOB's!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 15, 2009, 16:03:

Do they have the draft in Colombia Simon? What will you do if you are called to fight?

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 16:09:

What would I do?

Give me a gun and just tell me when and where to shoot!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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theflatline says on Sep 15, 2009, 16:10:

PCL

I do not think Simon has officially lived in Colombia long enough to go and register for his Libreta Militar.

But you can also pay your way out of a service record.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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cstew47 says on Sep 15, 2009, 16:26:

What a smokescreen to disguise his ineptitude and corruption. Unfortunately he is bankrupting the country in the process and damaging commerce in South America. If the US wanted to invade Venezuela, they could easily do it from Florida. It's just as close, if not closer, and better equipped. Get this guy out of there.

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La_Huella says on Sep 15, 2009, 16:30:

Nobody here is afraid of that.

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lampltr says on Sep 15, 2009, 17:02:

I believe if it really came down to the wire, Chevez would be met with chaos and a coup from his military leaders....he thinks he has purged the possible unfaithful s but...believe most of the population there lac the taste for shedding blood with their good neighbors!

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 17:20:

"I do not think Simon has officially lived in Colombia long enough to go and register for his Libreta Militar."

Y usted que diablos va a saber cuanto tiempo he vivido o no en Colombia? No sea sapo!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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sloopskipper says on Sep 15, 2009, 17:41:

Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 15:54 (today): flag

"We don't fear nothin'!" Especially us Colombians in the U.S., since we don't live there!

"With or without those $4 billion weapons, Colombia would still wipe the floor with those communist SOB's!!"

We'll watch for it on Fox News, and talk big.

Talk is cheap.

Did you serve in the Colombian military (or the U.S., if you are legal, or a citizen)?

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:00:

No I didn't, I decided to go to college instead.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:15:

At LEAST you're honest! But things change and talk is cheap when you have AK47 rounds zipping over your head in combat..

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sloopskipper says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:18:

Simon, there's not really anything wrong with that, although many young Americans also did it, and fled the U.S. to Canada in order to avoid their military obligation.

I didn't:

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However, I feel that I can admire, and criticize, my country's agenda, while you only live in a different country, and beat the drum for the country where you no longer live.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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theflatline says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:23:

I have a Libreta Militar,

Even if you go to college in Colombia you had to get one, and you had to choose to do your service then or later. Or pay to get one, actually paying your way out.

It is like registering for the Selective Service here.

You used to have to show it at the university and when you applied for a job.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:26:

Besides supplying logistics, guns, ships and ammo.. There is no way in hell at this present moment the US will send in any sorts of combat troops. Can you imagine that request going to congress and Pelosi and Reid?? jajjajajajajaja they would implode..

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sloopskipper says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:31:

But, if you flee Colomobia?

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 15, 2009, 18:38:

I dont see us getting involved in any other military conflicts in the near future old man, (unless we are directly attacked) and im a republican! Maybe maybe take out some nuclear reactors in North Korea and Iran (if israel doesnt do it) but thats the extent of it..

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 15, 2009, 19:03:

Hey Einstein, Im stating my case that the US has too many other commitments to get involved in any other military conflicts at this present moment. EXCEPT if we have to in North Korea or Iran.. Do you see the relation in the context of the statement? Lay off the Ron de Medellin tonight!

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 19:09:

I always thought that it was the other way around, that Europeans created the US of A.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 19:40:

Fact, without Europe the US would just be a bunch of native people.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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manINred says on Sep 15, 2009, 19:56:

Simon, sos un bacan!

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sloopskipper says on Sep 15, 2009, 20:07:

Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 19:40 (today): flag

"Fact, without Europe the US would just be a bunch of native people."

And the rest of North, Central & South America?

Many would still be eating frogs and coconuts, and could only speak Quechua in South America..

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 20:21:

We'd still be like those dudes in Apocalypto.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 20:48:

Yes, but Colombia and Venezuela are sister republics who share a common history, Israel and Iran do not.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 21:07:

What I meant is that Colombians and Venezuelans share a language, mostly the same religion (Catholicism), and Venezuela even used to be part of Colombia. Our first president was born in Caracas. Israelis and Iranians are not as similar.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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katwhiskers says on Sep 15, 2009, 21:16:

That's an awful lot of money for Tio Hugo to be spending to defend against no more than 800 US Military personnel spread through out Colombia, he must think the US fighting man is a superman. Clearly he's watched to many Rambo movies.

I miss the wonderful sound of silver coins in my pocket, abolish the Federal Reserve and bring back real money.

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Simon says on Sep 15, 2009, 21:18:

And while he's spending all this money on weapons, millions of Venezuelans are living in poverty. Chavez is a real POS!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Dolfi says on Sep 16, 2009, 01:26:

So funny, read this thread and you know who is eager to see a war between Colombia and Venezuela, it obviously isn´t Chavez.

And it´s even more funny because none of the militarists writing here would have to risk his ass in that war.

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tasco66 says on Sep 16, 2009, 05:35:

Dolfi, last time Venezuela moved troops to the border, Colombia did not respond.

The funny thing is that you German usually take that for a reason to to war...jajajaja

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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sanandressi says on Sep 16, 2009, 13:38:

Poor Venezuelan Spanish speaking troops killing poor Colombian Spanish speaking troops and vice versa. I don't see the logic do you? Chavez? He can't stop the crime in Caracas or the traffic jams and the poor are still in the "ranchos" that ring Caracas. Silly!

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luce says on Sep 17, 2009, 06:31:

I would be surprised to see if Colombia is actually fearful, but I think not. An earlier post had the same thought I did - all these weapons will more likely see action within Venezuela on its own people before they are pointed outside its borders. Sad for the people of Venezuela.

Loyal to both.

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tasco66 says on Sep 21, 2009, 06:10:

"Venezuela has bought over $4 billion in weapons; COLOMBIA is fearful"

The title should read "Venezuela has bought over $4 billion in weapons; COLOMBIA is PEACEFUL"

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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