US Weighs Plans to Fortify Panama-Colombia Border

sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:18:

The Panamanian government would probably welcome the Colombian Army at the border, if they came to clean the FARC out of The Darian/Choco.

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miamimike says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:21:

Crazy! If we are going to dig ourselves deeper into debt(national deficit) The US should, at the least, worry more about securing our own Borders before running off to some other country to secure their borders. Will securing the Panama/Colombia borders in any way, shape or form make the USA a more secure country after the $$$ is spent is the question that should be asked first,,,

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vicshere says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:23:

could this mean an extentsion of the highway between the two countries

listo

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:27:

Secure against the dangerous Mexican job seekers?

Getting out of Iraq would save a lot more than the cost of a few radar stations.

And it's about the drugs, and terrorists.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:28:

There has been talk, and I think some work on an elecric connection, a pipeline(?), and the road, on both sides of the border.

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cali373 says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:29:

The Colombian Army will not increase security at the panamanian border, WHY, well it will piss off the drug trafficking activities of the Paramilitaries which support powerful policitians. That is not going to happen.

The U.S. is not going to throw more money than it already has for Plan Colombia, And they have doe a good job of fooling the public that the drug war is being won. U.S. politicians already look like they are tough on drugs with plan colombia. Besides we really dont need to increase the nation debt on a losing battle, when the people think it is winnable.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:32:

What about the dramatic decrease in FARC numbers?

And Plan Colombia is absolute chump change compared to Iraq. Talk about surplus to debt!

Much of the drug traffic (and criminals) destined for the U.S. transits via Panamá, often through unguarded private airports.

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rocinante says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:03:

Don Winnner is an ass - first degree. Cry baby extraordinaire. Everyone should bend over for him in Panama. His rules, his playground whatever he wants - let the US take care of the bill. Change the Panamanian government and install new laws that suit him.

Ain't read the post - Did I mention that Don Winnner's is a pompous ass? He has a real negative attitude towards the locals whose country he and his idiot frinds have taken over and exploited. He thinks he owns Panama. I can post quotes from him that would evoke rotten tomatoes hurled in his general direction. He has a hard on for Colombia and is always completely negative towards Colombians who are all crooks, prostitutes, drug lords and theives ruining "his" country. He thinks this about all Colombians.

Again I ain't read the post but if you Sloopskipper are a fan of his or subscribe to his school of thought I have 0 repect for you. Sorry.

He's lucky to never step foot in Colombia. I'm suprised the locals there ("the six pack Juans" to use his words) have yet to lynch him. Probably because he refuses to learn the local language and the locals don't undersand the endless stream of shit against them coming from his mouth. I'm so glad he is in Panama where he belongs

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:12:

Yeah, I think you did mention that. Sorry you feel that way.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:13:

Okke and Eric said Hi.

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tasco66 says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:13:

“The Colombian Army will not increase security at the panamanian border, WHY, well it will piss off the drug trafficking activities of the Paramilitaries which support powerful policitians. That is not going to happen."

Cali you’ve been reading too much Chavista propaganda!

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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durito says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:13:

US aid is mostly given with the stipulation that they buy weapons from US companies.

It's a handout to big business. If they "give" panama the money to buy satellites, who do you think they will make them buy them from?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:14:

jaja, Tasco

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:15:

From China?

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Catfish35 says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:51:

All this money to stop Drugs is just riDICKulous! When we all know that it is just as simple to "Just say NO"! Come on didn't Nancy Reagan teach you all anything?!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 11:52:

JAJAJA, that's funny, Catfish.

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lampltr says on Mar 8, 2008, 17:07:

M.M. the funds do not matter much since a military base is being built in the Darien region anyways....I believe some Panamanians in a hidden way respect Colombians for their intelligence and the like. Where has the some of the casinos, malls, and a select other projects come from in Panama?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 18:04:

lampltr, I think that you might be very wrong about Panamanians respecting Colombians. Overall, they are somewhat despised here because of the large percentage of criminals and whores who migrate here, not even considering the drug trafficing.

The largest percentage of foreigners, by far, in the jails are Colombians.

BUT, there are also Colombians involved in many project delevopments also. But, by and large, it seems they are not generally liked by the Panamanians.

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poco says on Mar 8, 2008, 18:35:

Quote: It's a handout to big business. If they "give" panama the money to buy satellites, who do you think they will make them buy them from?

Quote: From China?

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 18:42:

Only a joke, of course. I think nothing wrong if U.S. gives the money, that they specify purchasing from U.S. companies.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 8, 2008, 18:43:

EVEN/especially Republicans should agree with that!

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poco says on Mar 8, 2008, 18:55:

Quote: He has a hard on for Colombia and is always completely negative towards Colombians who are all crooks, prostitutes, drug lords and theives ruining "his" country.

Who would have guessed. However, I'm kind of negative toward, crooks, theives and drug lords.

Hummm, prostitutes,, looks like he's helping them by uncovering a scam.

Quote: Scamming Colombian Hookers: Apparently part of his scam involved getting Colombian hookers to give him $100 and a copy of their passports, with a promise to obtain a Visa for them, saying he was the Chief of the "Visa Department" of the US Embassy.
http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/2008030223203565

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 8, 2008, 23:12:

Whatever they decide to do, it would be great if they could build a navigable highway through the gap so I could ride my motorcycle to Colombia.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 9, 2008, 03:59:

lampltr says on Saturday March 8th, 2008 17:07:

"M.M. the funds do not matter much since a military base is being built in the Darien region anyways"

Say what?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 9, 2008, 04:15:

poco, I usually find him to be on the money. I know him, casually, and think he is a pretty straight shooter.

rocinante's post sounds like the hateful stuff from other two "wanna-be" cyber-journalists here, panamanews and the former noriegaville, which went dark, only to be reborn as a pitiful attempt at humor.

It seems only Winner has access to top government officials, but appears to be totally objective.

"Again I ain't read the post but if you Sloopskipper are a fan of his or subscribe to his school of thought I have 0 repect for you. Sorry."

I am crushed.

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cali373 says on Mar 9, 2008, 11:00:

tasco66, show me where this comes out of Chavista Propaganda. you do not have any articulate response so you fall back on the Chavez. Chavez has become the scapegoat for all of Colombias issues lately.

The desplazados , ITS CHAVEZ´S FAULT TOO!

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Mar 9, 2008, 11:03:

Who is Don Winnner?

Smile if you are a thinker!

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sloopskipper says on Mar 9, 2008, 11:57:

Don is retired from the U.S. Air Force, and an investigative reporter/cyber-journalist here in Panamá. www.panama-guide.com

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 12:17:

He owns Panama don't you know?

He's like lots of posters here on PBH. "All I care about is my self and my own investment - fuck everybody else that was born here."

You know the guys here who are interested in the dollar getting 2200 to the peso so they spend less on hookers and drugs? They are ignorant to the fact that when the COP is rising it is because there is growth and prosperity in Colombia. But all that matters to them is the expense of their next selfish vacation. SO let Colombia go to the dogs and I can continue to get a good rate.

Don Winner is intelligent but will do anything in his power to make things better for him - at the expense of the locals. Given the choice he would close the border and never allow another Colombian into Panama for ever and ever. He hates Colombia being so close to his country - Oh and all the crooks are Colombians in Panama on tourist visas. No more tourist visas for Colombians!

Panama is his playground and he can screw, influence change, and bad mouth Colombians in the process. Thank god he's there where he belongs.

I don't care to be a cyber journalist and have no idea of whom you speak. If I were Don I'd try to have a bit more respect for the country in which I am an invited guest and I would stop with the all the negative generalizations not only of Colombians but the very people who have called Panama home since before Don was wetting his diapers.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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sloopskipper says on Mar 9, 2008, 14:59:

It seems there might be two possibilities since you obviously believe what you have posted. One could be that we are talking about two people, in Panamá, with the same name, which is highly unlikely. Another could be that you knew him in the past and he has totally changed, due to perhaps taking religion, or enrolling in some sort of 12-step program. That is also maybe a doubtful possibility. People generally don’t really change.

I have spoken to him on the telephone a few times, and met him and his wife at the dentist, quite by accident. The first time we spoke was when he offered to accompany me to the office of the Defensor del Pueblo, because I thought that a nearby flooded building excavation was a mosquito breeding farm. However, we discovered it had supposedly been treated. And his possible gain? Nix, nada, nuthin’.

Unlike you, I have read nearly every word that he has posted for almost two years, and even have panama-guide on an RSS feed. I helped him a little with fotos and videos when a crooked labor union was rioting in the streets, a few weeks ago. Who did he put the heat on? The government, the union and Hugo Chávez, who it seems, was funding the union, in order to create havoc in Panamá. He was the best source of almost immediate news, especially for those whose Spanish is not so great.

His targets are not Colombians, in general, or other little people, but rather scammers, swindlers, and cheats, and of course Pedro Miguel González, big-time, who has finally announced that he will not stand for reelection. Don even deserves some credit for that.

Currently he is investigating corporate land grabs up in Bocas del Toros. Some of those poor locals (that you spoke of) are being swindled out of their untitled land, and Don has been holding some crooked local politicians' feet to the fire. What a horrible person. What can he gain from that? An ego boost, I imagine.

I do not remember him ever generally bad-mouthing the Colombian people. Perhaps the violent criminals or the drugos, who come here, but not even the prepagos.

There were three people in the cyber-journalism space here. It is surprizing that you claim to know so much about Don, but not about Eric and Okke. One or maybe both, were here before Don.

One is gone (with libel suits pending?), and the other starving (and also some pending suits, I have heard). Panama-guide is the only one who attracts advertising revenue from many of the most upstanding businesses and professions. It seems that what started as a hobby, has turned into a revenue producing enterprise, with a huge readership.

But, you criticize, bragging that you did not even read?

Interesting.

But, I have wasted enough finger exercise, by now.

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 16:26:

I said I didn't read THIS post. I have read enough of him to know where he stands - I don't like him as an individual. You have no problem with him because you most likely share the same supremacist views. Tell me, what is your take on the local men of Panama being labeled "sixpack Juan" and we'll take it from there. Obviously if Don Winnner is your god (changing politics and all) you are familiar with this term of his and since you are a devout follower you can no doubt explain further. If you are man enough to respond don't hurt your fingers.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 16:32:

"Crazy! If we are going to dig ourselves deeper into debt(national deficit) The US should, at the least, worry more about securing our own Borders before running off to some other country to secure their borders. Will securing the Panama/Colombia borders in any way, shape or form make the USA a more secure country after the $$$ is spent is the question that should be asked first,,," MiamiMIke

Obviously that makes sense Mike but...

Securing the border is what Don Winner wants for Panama against the scumbag Colombians and the US can foot the bill while he makes a stink and stamps his feet.

I read the article. Why not tax the rich expats in Panama to pay for the border patrol and radar if Panama has such a problem with their border? Who really is responsible for paying?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 16:33:

"There were three people in the cyber-journalism space here."

Where is here? PBH?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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sloopskipper says on Mar 9, 2008, 17:03:

rocinante says on Saturday March 8th, 2008 11:03:

"Don Winnner is an ass - first degree. Cry baby extraordinaire. Everyone should bend over for him in Panama. His rules, his playground whatever he wants - let the US take care of the bill. Change the Panamanian government and install new laws that suit him."

'"Ain't read the post -'"

We we're talking about Winner, he is in Panamá, I am in Panamá, the article was about Panamá, DUHHHHH!

What the hell are you smokin', boy?

Maybe if you see future posts from panama-guide, which you despise, for whatever reason, maybe you can consider just ignoring them, rather than getting your panties in a bunch?

I really prefer not to have any further dialog with you.

Have a great day!

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 17:39:

Why you shouldn't have dialog with me: Because you are a white supremacist ass just like Winner - thanks for not responding to my question - specifically about "six pack Juan" - I knew you wouldn't - it just proves my point.

If Hugo Chavez posted here I would not have to read his post HERE in order to have an opinion based on what I have already read about him elsewhere. Understand that? See how that works? Of course you do.

Whatever you're smokming old man doesn't change that you are just like that asshole you defend. Will you address why dandy Don refers to the Panamian local men as "Six Pack Juans"? Of course you won't because that would only reveal you to be as biggoted as he is - but you already did that by not responding and deflecting to something different. See how that works? Of course you do.

Have a great day!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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poco says on Mar 9, 2008, 18:56:

Rocinante Quote: I'm suprised the locals there ("the six pack Juans" to use his words) ie: winners

The site (http://www.panama-guide.com) has NO REFERENCE to the phrase – six pack juans,, or any other name with the words six pack. There was one article about drugs being shipped to England but the words were arranged so as to say “six packages� of cocaine.

Further searches reveal that Google gets one hit for the word SIX PACK JUANS,, ONE and guess who used the words,,, Ha, YOU did. Yep, this post comes up and THAT IS ALL. So,, you invented it,, at least as far as google is concerned.

Congratulations

Winner has some interesting words:

Winner Quote: What Do You Say... If, for example, your neighbor shoots from his yard into your yard and kills a terrorist, do you bitch about the airspace violation? The proper response would be "nice shot."
http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20080302190450525

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 21:17:

Poco's post above.:

Rocinante Quote: I'm suprised the locals there ("the six pack Juans" to use his words) ie: winners

The site (http://www.panama-guide.com) has NO REFERENCE to the phrase – six pack juans,, or any other name with the words six pack. There was one article about drugs being shipped to England but the words were arranged so as to say “six packages��? of cocaine.

Further searches reveal that Google gets one hit for the word SIX PACK JUANS,, ONE and guess who used the words,,, Ha, YOU did. Yep, this post comes up and THAT IS ALL. So,, you invented it,, at least as far as google is concerned.

Congratulations

Winner has some interesting words:

Winner Quote: What Do You Say... If, for example, your neighbor shoots from his yard into your yard and kills a terrorist, do you bitch about the airspace violation? The proper response would be "nice shot."
http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20080302190450525



"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Mar 9, 2008, 21:17:

"So,, you invented it,, " Poco

invent this.

"But if Juan six-pack is afraid to ride the bus" http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20070630092915816/print

Sorry if google failed you.

Poco - Sloop does not answer the question because in doing so he reveals everything I've already posted about Don's character.

If I were in your shoes and couldn't find the article I'd ask where's the article and save the rolling pansy animation. But I guess you and I are two different typs of "men".

Hint - when you get to the article do a search on "pack". Just trying to help a brother out.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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poco says on Mar 9, 2008, 21:48:

Quote: If I were in your shoes and couldn't find the article I'd ask where's the article and save the rolling pansy animation. But I guess you and I are two different typs of "men".

Got me,, should have done a search on pack. Anyway the term was used here:

Critical Political Issue: The issue of internal security is a critical political issue for the administration of Martin Torrijos. This is the one issue where he is seen as being ineffective. The other major negatives are public health (as a result of the contaminated medicines) and public safety (as a result of the bus fire.) Health, safely, and security. If you're not getting that job done, then you can have a kick-ass economy all day long and you still lose politically. The Canal Expansion, refineries, bay cleanup, and construction boom are all good or great. But if Juan six-pack is afraid to ride the bus, afraid to take the medicine he gets from the Social Security health clinic, or afraid to walk past the kids on the corner on his way home, well then he's just afraid all the time. He wants the government to do something about that. Nothing is more important for Martin Torrijos right now.

and here:
What's the Impact for Juan Six-pack? I asked Mr. Jones to give me some kind of idea of the primary products that will no longer have tariffs applied - What's going to be the biggest impact for people that live here in Panama? "Well, food is going to be a big one, as well as automobiles. Food items will be significantly cheaper in the supermarket. The average price of goods here are significantly higher than in the US. They have here what they call the "Family Basket of Goods." So with the implementation of the Free Trade Agreement and the lowering of those tariffs, that will be an advantage for everyone in Panama and most certainly the consumers.

and here:

Editor's Comment: Excellent news. With the economy growing at about 8% and inflation at only 2.3%, then at least part of the difference will end up as an increase in net disposable income across the board. Inflation usually lags economic growth but tends to trend lower in Panama due to the canal, the Colon free trade zone, the fact that the currency is the US dollar, and government wage policies. Panama now can boast the lowest inflation rates in Latin America and one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Low inflation is a very, very good thing for the every-day \"juan six-pack\" in the Panamanian economy, almost better than economic expansion.

most interesting,, here:

"juan six-pack\" Construction Worker: These guys are everywhere and are actually the easiest to find and talk to. Just go to any corner store in the early afternoon and you'll find a dozen construction workers sitting in the shade and putting down a few beers after a hard day at work. They are usually more than happy to tell you the straight truth as they see it with regards to organized labor, relations with management and collective bargaining agreements. These salt-of-the-earth guys are tough, smart, weathered, and wise. The young kids generally respect the older grizzled veterans who are usually missing a few body parts or carrying scars as hard-won badges of honor. Anyone who considers them to be either stupid, foolish, or ignorant is just flat-out wrong.

http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php?story=20060901095948539&query=...

Did Mr. WINNER say: !!! These salt-of-the-earth guys are tough, smart, weathered, and wise. The young kids generally respect the older grizzled veterans who are usually missing a few body parts or carrying scars as hard-won badges of honor. Anyone who considers them to be either stupid, foolish, or ignorant is just flat-out wrong.

So,, just how is the term derogatory? Me thinks you are becoming a little tooooo PC.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 9, 2008, 22:22:

Guys keep it civil.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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rocinante says on Mar 10, 2008, 05:21:

Got it Desi.

Poco I quote myself from two posts above. I have read enough of him to realize what goes on between the lines.

"Ain't read the post - Did I mention that Don Winnner's is a pompous ass? He has a real negative attitude towards the locals whose country he and his idiot frinds have taken over and exploited. He thinks he owns Panama. I can post quotes from him that would evoke rotten tomatoes hurled in his general direction. He has a hard on for Colombia and is always completely negative towards Colombians who are all crooks, prostitutes, drug lords and theives ruining "his" country. He thinks this about all Colombians.

He's like lots of posters here on PBH. "All I care about is my self and my own investment - f**k everybody else that was born here."

You know the guys here who are interested in the dollar getting 2200 to the peso so they spend less on hookers and drugs? They are ignorant to the fact that when the COP is rising it is because there is growth and prosperity in Colombia. But all that matters to them is the expense of their next selfish vacation. SO let Colombia go to the dogs and I can continue to get a good rate.

Don Winner is intelligent but will do anything in his power to make things better for him - at the expense of the locals. Given the choice he would close the border and never allow another Colombian into Panama for ever and ever. He hates Colombia being so close to his country - Oh and all the crooks are Colombians in Panama on tourist visas. No more tourist visas for Colombians!

Panama is his playground and he can screw, influence change, and bad mouth Colombians in the process. Thank god he's there where he belongs."

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Mar 10, 2008, 05:32:

Here in this post when Miami Mike posts about the US securing their own borders and not wasting money on Panama's border with Colombia Sloop replies "Secure against the dangerous Mexican job seekers?"

Does he even think that maybe a terrorist may sneak in over the Mexican border, and not everyone coming over through Mexico is a "Job Seeker"?

"Getting out of Iraq would save a lot more than the cost of a few radar stations." Again Sloop coming up with the idea to end the war on Iraq and take that money and buy radar equipment for the Panama/Colombia border - he dresses it up as "helping the US".

Mr Winner and now Sloop seem to think the US tax payers and the Panamanian government should do everything in their power assist them, the expats and protect their investment. Mr Winner has some good things to say and is an eloquent writer - but if you really read him you will see what's he's all about.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Mar 10, 2008, 05:34:

Sloopskipper I have nothing against you - I just don't care for Don Winner's attitude. We can agree to disagree since he was a nice guy who helped your wife or whatever. But now that I look - all of your posts are negative Colombia News related Guerrilla etc...

Here's one of the recent once: "Wave of kidnappings plagues Venezuela, Ranchers near Colombia are vulnerable"

And he comments: "Thanx lampltr, but of course I didn't write it. However, it is maybe is justification to forget about moving to South America, though."

Maybe you'd like everyone to move to Panama instead? "forget about moving to South America, though".

Now I wonder, an expat in Panama, what is your connection to Colombia? Are you just a retired, relaxing expat who happens to be a tremendous Colombian news buff? Is this why we are getting your daily cut and paste news articles?

I'm just curious.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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