US Minutemen/vigilante border patrol = paramilitary?

ColombianoGringo says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:11:

While the minutemen are a bunch of armed, racist thugs and have the tacit approval of the government, they have yet to rise to the level of murdering thousands and driving hundreds of thousands from their homes. For the moment, the comparison is not quite valid.

It would be interesting to see how tough these idiot weekend warriors would be if they came face to face with some Zetas.

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aztec says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:17:

wabbits, I lived next door to a soldier who survived the Bataan March and was held in one of those Japanese internment camps. They were unbelievably brutal. You do know the Japanese never signed the Geneva Convention protocols regarding POW's?

About the only difference is that they did not burn the POW's in ovens! The tortures done to women and men are unspeakable.

And comparing the US Minutemen border patrol to the paramilitary shows the effects of the Mexican TV! Most of the people in Colombia get their international understanding spoon fed via CNN and BBC.

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Catfish35 says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:31:

CGringo, here here..I totally agree. Most people are not familiar with the Zetas or their origins however that would be interesting to watch the fat beer bellied racist wanna be vigilantes called Minutemen face off with them just once.

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:38:

I did not know CNN and BBC were Mexican TV. The things one learns on these fora.

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aztec says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:46:

kernow62, welcome back. Of course the are not the same. Didn't mean to imply they were. When I am in Bogota about all you see on local TV is CNN, BBC and the news from Mexico.

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:52:

Oh, I see you wanted DW perhaps.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 11, 2008, 12:55:

aztec,

I think that the OP is referring to the internment camps in the US where people of Japanese origin were held during WWII.

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deathnova says on Jul 11, 2008, 13:21:

I have no problem with them so long as the Border Patrol keeps them in check and any actions they take are purely in self defense.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 11, 2008, 15:44:

fill me in, i thought the "minute men" was a group in north dakota...ala ruby ridge. wrong?

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:06:

Here you go, douglas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_Project

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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lpdiver says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:24:

DMW...you are thinking about the Michigan Militia. All in all militias tend to be like para military groups in Colombia...in my opinion. There might have been some good in the beginnings but they all tend to devolve into the same type of hate groups.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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pilotguy says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:29:

Try to cross my property on the Mexico/U.S. Border and I will defend my self. And uphold the law. Period. joe

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lpdiver says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:38:

Hmmm pilotguy you live in Manizales and yet you have a border on Mexico and the U.S. interesting. At any rate you surely have the right to defend yourself. Joe Horn and his shooting of the two Colombians proves that.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 11, 2008, 17:19:

pilotguy,

That's different. If it's your property, you have every right to restrict travel on your land.

However, these people are potentially dangerous vigilantes looking for trouble. It's not like they can make a real difference in the immigration problem. More than anything, it is just a bunch of chest thumping by people with nothing better to do. They are a tragedy waiting to happen. It is the job of law enforcement in one form or another to detain illegal aliens.

The real solution to the problem is to start arresting executives at the countless corporations that hire them by the thousands. Now they arrest the illegals making chump change and don't bother the fat cats that are making millions by employing cheap illegal labor.

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lpdiver says on Jul 11, 2008, 20:09:

CG...I agree. Deport the illegals; but, deport at least one citizen along with them that aided and abeted their activities. From someone using illegal housekeepers to corporate bosses turning a blind eye in order to save a dollar.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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pilotguy says on Jul 12, 2008, 05:27:

Lpdiver, not sure what you find unusual about owning property in more than one country, interesting.
However, I also agree that this problem is not so simple as maybe I implied. But, the law is the law.
Joe

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 07:42:

sheer curiosity....you just shoot someone 'cause they cross your property? hmmmmm.

dwmte

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sloopskipper says on Jul 12, 2008, 08:19:

pilotguy says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:29: flag

"Try to cross my property on the Mexico/U.S. Border and I will defend my self. And uphold the law. Period. joe"

You must "defend" yourself against someone "crossing" your property, and "uphold" the LAW?

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sanandressi says on Jul 12, 2008, 08:26:

The MINUTEMEN are NOT armed thugs Colombian Gringo they are US CITIZENS simply trying to call attention to the FACT that the United States Government is doing little and has done little to stop the flow of ILLEGAL immigrants and lots of DRUGS which originate in COLOMBIA, BOLIVIA and PERU, from coming across the southern border!

They are not thugs! They are not paramilitaries and they have my utmost respect! They are proud American citizens who have every right to be on that border! Many of them are HISPANICS as if that matters!

So cut the crap right now on this forum. The US has a right to control its borders and has a right to say who belongs here and who does not just like Colombia does when somebody wants to teach English in Medellin!

I love the minuteman and the minuteman project!

God bless the minuteman project and its leaders!

Support Plan Colombia, re-elect ilena Ros-Lehtinen

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 08:39:

i would take issue with your statememt the the u.s. govt. has done "little" to inforce the border. they've done one hell of a lot more than any group of malitia men.

you no doubt are awares that border security is no small project and involves more than hanging around the border with guns and concerned citizens.

let's give credid where it's due. our govt. has done an incredible job...that does not mean that there's still not very much to be done, there is. but to flatly say that we've (that's who the u.s. govt. is) done little, is really overly critical and speaking plainly, not true.

with you, border security is every americans job. but vigilantism has never been the solution to any problem. even the border agents are on record--programs on cnn and other networks--as saying that they're in the way and ultimately will impede border security.

dwmte

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viajero123 says on Jul 12, 2008, 08:57:

What are the minutemen? Do they have the right to shoot someone just trespassing and crossing the border, or do they have to have their lives threatened to do it?

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tasco66 says on Jul 12, 2008, 08:58:

"i would take issue with your statememt the the u.s. govt. has done "little" to inforce the border. they've done one hell of a lot more than any group of malitia men."

Yep, the US government sends the finest of its men to patrol the US border:

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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greg says on Jul 12, 2008, 09:56:

The minutemen tried to get something going on the border up here in NY but i think they realized what they were up against and gave up

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 10:31:

i liked that tasco. cool. well at least the homies can run back across and try again manana. si o no? mil ves mejor de carcel.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 12, 2008, 10:57:

If the mexicans were not crossing the border, it'd be a pretty boring life for the border patrol.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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sloopskipper says on Jul 12, 2008, 11:08:

FUNNY video!

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kernow62 says on Jul 12, 2008, 12:23:

Where are they going to deport the Americans who hire illegals to? Who would want them? You can't deport them to Mexico because then Mexico would deport them to the US. I say let all the Mexicans who want to come in. Then I will move to Mexico.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 15:36:

amen.

dwmte

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pilotguy says on Jul 12, 2008, 15:42:

Trespassing on a persons property IS against the law. period. Uphold the law. Bleeding hearts can yell all they want.

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sloopskipper says on Jul 12, 2008, 16:40:

Only the governement can uphold the law, not half-wit locals. You want to shoot Latinos (or anybody who steps on your grass)? But live in Latin America? What's wrong with this picture?

Havin' flashbacks?

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sloopskipper says on Jul 12, 2008, 16:42:

You had better jump on a plane, I heard there is a Mexican pissin' on your petunias!

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sloopskipper says on Jul 12, 2008, 17:14:

Perhaps you could get one of your big helicopters and shoot everyone within 25 miles of the border. That'd be real macho and patriotic.

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pilotguy says on Jul 12, 2008, 17:39:

No, being a liberal, whining bleeding heart would be better. I do not live in Safe Panama, I am a permanent resident here, married to a colombiana. You are worried about mexicans, go back and help them. Talking only about it means nothing. Who is impressed with your lack of knowledge.
If anyone goes onto my property, I can and will defend it. Please help the mexicans, go to the U.S. / Mexican border and give them assistance, I am sure they would appreciate it. But, somehow, I dont believe you will go and help them, just talk about them.
Why is someone that wants to protect their property a half-wit. You must really have a lot of time on your hand.
Also, the mexicans do not only "step on the grass" are you really that naive. now I will stop. No more from me.

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aztec says on Jul 12, 2008, 18:08:

I saw a billboard yesterday that read:



NEED HELP? CALL JESUS
1-800-505-3787



Out of curiosity, I did.

A Mexican showed up with a lawnmower.

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lpdiver says on Jul 12, 2008, 20:00:

aztec...LMAO

ts

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 12, 2008, 21:26:

sanandressi, They are a joke and will accomplish nothing. The only thing they will accomplish is getting themselves or someone else killed. I wouldn't piss on a Minuteman if he was on fire. Also, when it comes to being prejudiced hypocrites, nobody beats Hispanics in the US. They will rail against the "wetbacks" when their own parents or grandparents waded across illegally. It doesn't surprise me that some Hispanics are part of that ridiculous organization.

I am not pro illegal immigration. I don't have any real antipathy towards people that are here illegally, but I think that all the hordes of mostly illegal aliens pouring over the border make it nearly impossible for honest people from all over the world to legally immigrate to the US. That is hardly fair. I am all for LEGAL immigration, but that is a very diificult thing these days because of the millions of illegal aliens. My parents went through years of jumping through legal hoops to get a US residence visas, and once they got here, my dad was drafted a few months later and spent another few years serving his new country. It wasn't the easy way, but it was the right way. They earned the right to live and work here.

Like I said, if you want to reign in the illegal immigration problem, go after the people that hire them. Go after Tyson Foods, Ryland Homes, Archer Daniels Midland and the thousands of other corporations that hire them. Once they help stem the demand by arresting and imprisoning some of the country club set that benefit the most from the labor of illegal aliens, a fair and legal immigration system will be easier to implement.

Do the Minutemen stand guard around the offices of the executives that make millions by hiring illegal aliens? If so, they might deserve more respect.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 13, 2008, 05:53:

nice post, CG....how many of each and every one of our elders--sometime back--came over the borders from somewhere? we came from all over the world. we're us. get used to it.

dwmte

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george jung says on Jul 13, 2008, 07:24:

Pilotguy, don't pay attention to old no life sloop, he just babbles on about things just to hear himself,his ideas are way way old school back in prehistoric days. I am with you on some of your views.

"Men and fish are alot alike, when they open their mouths, they both get in trouble"

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kernow62 says on Jul 13, 2008, 09:07:

The only thing that will accomplish is that more of these big companies will move over the border with their workers. Our own policies have had a big part in the increased number of illegals. Years ago, Mexicans regularly traveled to work in the US, often doing seasonal agricultural work and then would return home for a few months usually around Christmas. These were mostly younger men. The women and children usually remained in Mexico or wherever with their extended family. Well we tightened up border security and this made the free flow of labour very difficult. The risk to these men was too great, so instead they took the risk of bring their wives and children. So now instead of a largely male population we have the women and children too. The effect has been to increase the numbers here instead of its desired effect. This puts more strain on schools and health care.

Another policy that has added to the increase is the fact that we subsidize much of our farming industry in the US. When NAFTA went into effect the Mexican farmer couldn't hope to compete. As a consequence it was cheaper to buy US subsidized pork and beef than it was to buy locally produced food. Those largely uneducated farm workers now had to find work, so they came to where the farms are, the US.

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 13, 2008, 11:27:

I have a bumper sticker that says: "I found Jesus" .... "he snuck into my trunk in Jaurez"

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 13, 2008, 11:33:

roberto....quiero uno

dwmte

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 13, 2008, 12:04:

dwmte7,

I am not at all against immigration. After all, my family came over from Colombia. However, the massive illegal immigration problem is bad for for everyone, especially the illegal immigrants. First, they have to risk their lives dealing with coyotes(smugglers) or crossing dangerous deserts on foot. Once they finally get here, they are paid poorly and are generally treated like shit. Have you ever seen how a lot of these people live? They have to look over their shoulder constantly and can be deported at any moment. It's bad for the US because these people often don't pay taxes, yet are a drain on our resources. It is also bad for the honest guy in Colombia or England or wherever that wants a chance at legally working here too.

If we are able to reduce the demand for undocumented workers, this will allow the US to come up with a sane and fair LEGAL immigration system that allows people from all over the world a chance to come this country and work under better, dare I say more humane conditions.

kernow is also right. We can't just send them all home and not allow a way for people to come and work. A lot of companies would pack up and go overseas. We certainly need a legal way for workers to come to the US and work in these jobs that a lot of citizens and legal residents. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I know that a bunch of weekend vigilantes aren't part of the solution.

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 13, 2008, 12:06:

Just go by a truck stop Douglas. They probably have those stickers there.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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lpdiver says on Jul 13, 2008, 15:37:

CG- it is a complicated issue. What about all the Colombians that come to visit "Disneyland" and never leave? Then they proceed to start a "Publito Paisa" restaurant and make thousands and thousands of dollars.

They don't pay their taxes and get "no documentation" home loans and default on their crazy Adjustable Rate Loans a few years later with no consequences.

I fault us here in the USA more than anyone. Send a few US citizens packing or lay a twenty thousand dollar fine on the use of illegal labor (including gardeners and house keepers).

Then reform our welfare society to make welfare a temporay path of assistance to improvement of lifestyle rather than a lifestyle in and of itself.

Finally legalize the street drugs and take away the rich mans welfare as well. This will give an incentive for the local populace to work.

I always tell my friends here in the US that Colombia has a WONDERFUL welfare program, it is called WORK OR STARVE.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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mranderson says on Jul 13, 2008, 17:04:

illegals crossing the border can be dangerous. I have a friend who lives very close to the border and she keeps 5 dogs outside her property all day and night in case an illegal comes on her property. Many of them break into houses looking for food or whatever and a desperate illegal is always bad especially when you are sleeping.

I don't have any problems with the minute men. They are doing something that the government has failed to do. Or they are trying anyway. Better to make an effort rather then sit back and do nothing.

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kernow62 says on Jul 13, 2008, 18:52:

A lot of illegals also pay taxes and reap no benefits. In Orlando, illegals are told before they can be employed they must obtain an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. The employer actually takes taxes from these workers and the IRS gladly will accept it. The IRS will not cause problems until they don't pay the taxes, then watch out. You can buy these ITINs at most local Latino businesses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Taxpayer_Identification_Number

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Lcacique says on Jul 14, 2008, 00:41:

I remember in 1997, the first time that the military was deployed to the Mexican border since 1910. What happens? They shoot a young American student. Essentially they got away with murder. There is a great documentary on the subject called the Ballad of Esequiel Hernández. FBI agents and Marine investigators all claim that the trial was absolutely bogus and that all of the evidence points to a murder being committed. First time the military had killed an innocent civilian on US soil since Kent State.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2008/ballad/about.html

In 1992 in the same region of Texas, Presidio County, the Sheriff (Rick Thompson) was tough on drugs, filming commercials showing himself in the process of capturing traffickers. Big talk form this good ole boy. Turns out this good ole Texan Sheriff was a trafficker himself. Aaahh, irony! It was the biggest bust in west Texas history at the time.

And the minutemen, pathetic is the only term I can think of to describe such individuals.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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viajero123 says on Jul 14, 2008, 01:05:

mranderson "I don't have any problems with the minute men. They are doing something that the government has failed to do. Or they are trying anyway. Better to make an effort rather then sit back and do nothing." sounds to me like the same thing that paramilitaries say.

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lpdiver says on Jul 14, 2008, 02:40:

The minute men are paramilitaries.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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dwmte7 says on Jul 14, 2008, 04:19:

heh, lp...what happened to the rice cookoff?

dwmte

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Iowano says on Jul 14, 2008, 11:22:

I live in a small city in a safe part of the U.S. A couple of years ago I wrote a letter to the editor defending Mexican immigrants. The next day I got a threatening phone call from a local militia member. An eye-opening experience.

But I think they're all talk here and no action, for the most part.

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kernow62 says on Jul 14, 2008, 13:34:

I hope you reminded him that you have the right to free speech.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 14, 2008, 13:40:

I thought the MinuteMen were a bunch of angry/bored/retired guys sitting in lawn chairs on government property, armed with nothing more than cell phones and binoculars? Have they ever been charged with a crime?

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Lcacique says on Jul 14, 2008, 15:32:

I do not think they have been involved in any criminal activity and I have not heard any complaints about their activity from border patrol.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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kernow62 says on Jul 14, 2008, 18:36:

I saw a documentary where they interviewed some border patrol who didn't want them around. I think it was on Link TV. I suppose they might get in the way. The same show talked about one of the guys (I can't recall his name) but the FBI had been watching him for years. He has a huge stockpile of weapons and fancies himself a soldier of fortune.

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 14, 2008, 21:37:

The programs and articles that I have read concerning the minutemen, say and show they are unarmed, and watch out over private property. In other words, they are literally on one of their own farms watching for illegals. If they see border skippers, they simply call the Border Patrol.

With that said, they are pretty dorky, and I am sure more than one of them was a mall cop at one time or another.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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kernow62 says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:24:

The show I saw showed them with full face paint, AR15s, night vision, body armour, dressed all in black.

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kernow62 says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:28:

You can get some idea of the sort who see themselves as Minutemen by reading some of this forum.
http://www.americanminuteman.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-1837.html

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:06:

Kernow, I don't think that those are the same minutemen. It looks like you've found a militia forum. I must admit that there is some pretty disturbing shit on that site.

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:16:

all migration should be legal... yes I believe in the borderless world.

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:27:

Would you do away with money as well?

Shoes?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 11:38:

if I felt like it would make a difference and there was greater commitment from society.

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kernow62 says on Jul 15, 2008, 12:30:

ColombianoGringo Why do you say those militia guys are not the minutemen?

I read most of the posts about patrolling the border between the US and Mexico on there and they seem like the same bunch I saw the documentary on.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 15, 2008, 12:51:

The minutemen we were talking about are not really a militia. Roberto's description is fairly accurate, but some of them are supposedly armed.

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lpdiver says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:50:

The Minuteman Pledge
A Minuteman upholds the Constitution of the United States of America, and reveres the American Creed that unites us as one people, our Declaration of Independence.


A Minuteman knows well America is a nation of immigrants, and realization of our national promise has always relied upon those who come to America from other countries to participate fully, with their children and descendants, as loyal and law-abiding U.S. citizens.


A Minuteman believes that just as ethnicity, race, religion and all such factors are incidental and do not affect our God-given, constitutional equality as American citizens, such factors are also irrelevant in the debate over illegal immigration. There is no tolerance among Minutemen for racism or bigotry - E Pluribus Unum - Out of Many, One.


A Minuteman believes in a strong, safe and secure America that begins with borders open only to those who have a legal right to enter, and who have met all the lawful criteria to cross into our territory established by the sovereign American people.


Minutemen vow to use every legal means at our disposal to assist law enforcement authorities in identifying and apprehending those who violate our borders, whether they are illegally trafficking people, weapons, arms, property, sexual slaves or any other contraband.


Minutemen vow to report to the proper authorities any business entity which knowingly recruits, facilitates or employs people who have entered America illegally, or which cooperates in any commercial activity which involves contraband smuggling or marketing of persons, products or material.


Minutemen promise to raise our voices -- on cellular phones along the borders of America and in the halls of Congress -- in the defense of the rule of law. The American people are firm but fair, and we share their great compassion for the many powerless victims of cruel, illegal human trafficking and labor exploitation. But we also support our citizens' adamant rejection of the blatant disregard for our laws and ordered liberty represented by the U.S. government's failure to secure our borders, enforce our nation's sovereignty and end the flood of illegal trafficking into American territory.

I vow before God and my fellow Americans that these principles guide my actions as a Minuteman. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty..." And so I will stand watch on America's borders and in her sovereign interest until relieved from duty by my fellow countrymen

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 16, 2008, 10:01:

Whatever you think of the issue, here's a funny headline you won't see in the NY Times.

"Minuteman Assaulted, Kicks Goon's Ass, Goon Arrested - Home Depot Westminster, CA"

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002840.html

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 16, 2008, 10:11:

I saw a documentary on skinheads and white pride freaks moving down south and joining the minutemen...
If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, Im pretty confident it is a duck. If the minutemen are armed, 'enforce' the law, and fill government voids, guess what? That is paramilitarism.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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lpdiver says on Jul 16, 2008, 10:40:

dwmte7..."heh, lp...what happened to the rice cookoff?" Google up Poo Poo Broussard and look for his Alien Dat video...that is where my "cook some rice" by line originates. It is some funny stuff. He is a co workers neighbor.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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kernow62 says on Jul 16, 2008, 13:48:

So it is all God's fault. He gave all these rights, What did he pop down and make the US his land or something? It is as silly as the Royals in England believing they are ordained by God.

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