US Military bases in Colombia!!!!!!

roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 04:36:

Que lastima que Colombia no pueda controlar sus propios problemas.I dont agree with Uribe's decision to allowed the US military to be station in Colombia.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 04:41:

roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 04:58:

Internacional?????, eso no significa que estados unidos se meta en todos los paises del mundo, porque no van pa Canada si la mayoria del ectasy se puede encontrar en este pais? Cada pais es soverano y si US quiere parar la droga primero deberia parar el consumo en Estados Unidos. SI le damos tanto favores a Estados Unidos porque no le damos un permiso a Colombianos en el exterior como el TPS igual que a los Hondurenos? Porque la embajada no le da mas visas a los Colombianos para que vengan a este pais si les estamos donando espacio para que esten en Colombia?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:01:

kingfish5515 says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:07:

We already either have a base in or near Cartagena or at the least stop their regularly. I say this because I know a colombian guy who takes the bus from MDE to CTG every 2 weeks to do translation work for the US navy as his english is very good. He apparently makes good money, at least by local standards. Next time I see him I will ask for more details. I also have met US sailors, actually only 1, in the Juan Valdez P LLeras, visiting Mde who said he was in CTG temporarily. Does anybody know if our current presense in CTG is an official base or are we sharing facilites with COL? Kingfish

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roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:07:

Es una cosa ayudar y es otra cosa meterse a otro pais, ayudar a colombia? lo unico que esta haciendo EU es ayudarse a ellos mismo cojiendo inteligencia en Sur America con las nuevas bases en Colombia? Canada y Europa no estan pidiendo bases en Colombia y que critiquen la gente nunca va ser feliz y siempre van a tener algo de que quejarse.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:11:

roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:13:

Porque no me contestan la pregunta ayudar a Colombia? Que diferencia tiene Honduras a Colombia?
Porque los Colombianos en US no reciben el TPS? Colombia tiene muchos problemas al igual que honduras como es que este presidente no pelea para ayudar a su gente en el exterior pero si les otorge una base en Colombia? Una cosa por la otra. Ya en Colombia tenemos CIA, DEA, FBI, ICE, NSA quien mas falta entonces

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Dolfi says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:15:

The "War ond Drugs" hasn´t been a success anywhere, neither in the USA nor in Colombia, and there isn´t any evidence that these bases are going to help in any way.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:18:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:21:

Dolfi says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:22:

Success would be a lowering of coca cultivation and drug smuggling e.g. this will not be reached by sending 600 US soldiers to Colombia, as long as farmers make much more by planting coca than any other crop.

Maybe legalizing Cocaine in the USA (which is the biggest market in the world anyway) would be an alternative?

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roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:35:

Markopp5

Porque Honduras recive el TPS en Estados Unidos y los Colombianos no? Colombia tambien tiene muchos problemas y si les damos bases entonces tambien ayuden a los Colombianos en Estados Unidos? Y que la embajada deje de molestar tanto cuando los Colombianos solicitan una Visa pa venir a Estados Unidos?

Dolfy says "this will not be reached by sending 600 US soldiers to Colombia"

He is right 600 soldiers does not mean anything to the war on drugs? And thanks to the Colombian military the production has gone down a bit, I dont see American troops on the groud destroying coca fields

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:41:

roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:52:

Thank you Mark, exactly my point Colombia still a dangerous country so how come Colombianos is the US are not able to get TPS. your answer makes no sense!!


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600 Soldiers are not going to stop the flow of drugs?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 05:59:

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chingon says on Jul 17, 2009, 06:13:

Obama is a war monger

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chingon says on Jul 17, 2009, 06:20:

Gee thanks....i figured i should just get to my conclusion

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Simon says on Jul 17, 2009, 07:26:

Didn't Easy-E die from Aids?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 07:45:

I think it is a bad idea for Colombia,it is one thing to train,host or do operations with another country but to have bases in your country no thanks.
Maybe now Colombia should set up bases in USA with the exact same numbers.
I know they have some good training urban FIBUA sites in Texas maybe a Colombian base there so they can get some valuable training.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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scumbuster says on Jul 17, 2009, 07:55:

eazy... you gota take the bad with the good.. Overall Colombia is better for plan Colombia. It’s not perfect but nothing ever is. The safety and security for the people has improved dramatically from its inception. Are you willing to loose the progress made against FARC and the drug cartels by forfeiting the money we supply Colombia yearly. People don’t realize what they got till its gone

Tomas Jefferson “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

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Londoner says on Jul 17, 2009, 08:36:

U.S. military bases in Colombia will make life more dangerous for ex-pat gringos living here by raising their profile.

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 08:40:

You should have no problem to get the applications but make sure you do some phone calls on the resumes to confirm all is above board.I am suspicious of some but not naming names that is your job to weed them out you don't want a BAD BATTLE BUDDY.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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Londoner says on Jul 17, 2009, 08:44:

Any Colombiana can spot a gringo at a thousand paces,and tell how much cash he has in his pocket.

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ferran says on Jul 17, 2009, 08:46:

Thats it, I had it being a lefty, I say Colombia needs more US backing, bring on the Army, Navy, and Airforce, Uribe for a third term so he can change that stupid flag and replace it for the stars and stripes, they should get rid of that silly peso and replace it with the dollar, that way gringos dont have to worry about the exchange rate, better idea, colombia should be a new state just like Hawai and Alaska, all signs, tv and newspapers should be in english, colombians will be forced to learn english. Just like in the good old USA, prostitution should be illegal. I say bring on the Yanks, they really know how to run a country, let them bring colombia out of the stone age and into the new modern age.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Jul 17, 2009, 08:55:

"I live here since 15 years and I was in Medellin when Pablo got shot."

And how is that, if Pablo got shot over 16 years ago? Easy, ju got some essssplainin tu du. More of your fairie tales?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:03:

Ok I encrypt grid 5788 6757 also I have a line on some Heckler & Koch G11 they use caseless ammunition and some of those AA12 Automatic Shotgun .

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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nine inch nails says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:08:

US military is already there and the bases will expand their "base" when needed but more than likely will be owned and ran by the Colombian Armed Forces with US units stationed only as tenants and in not as great of numbers as you would think.

Think about it US is so stretched thin in the ME, Asia, etc... they can't place too many more troops on CO soil. I think the bases are long term strategic to provide a surge capability for 10s of thousands of troops on short notice in case Hugo trys anything. And this is all quite scary as there must be enough credible evidence Hugo is planning something big in a bad way. He has greatly expanded his arms in the last couple years.

If there is any large MILCON activity down there I will be the first to sign up.

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:10:

Psyops

Yes that maybe better... work from the inside out, I like it.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:24:

I was 20 years infantry, the army is just one big Psyop without it they would not function.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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roloenNJ says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:38:

ahh 11B................

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chingon says on Jul 17, 2009, 09:48:

anyone want to go get a beer?

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 17, 2009, 10:11:

I am in Bogota where are you?

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 17, 2009, 10:15:

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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luce says on Jul 17, 2009, 12:01:

Wow, lots of opinions about this. I don't think Colombia has to worry about becoming an extended US state. US Mil bases have been in Japan and Germany since WWI/WWII, and it seems the Japanese and Germans have not lost their own identities or senses of nationality, but instead have thrived in technology, economics, education and more. I'm not saying they were in the dumps and were "saved", but they took and improved and have made great progress. I know US Mil has been in and out of Colombia on active operations for years - my friend's brother was a SEAL and he loved Colombia. He didn't give too many details on the missions, just the country and his day trips here and there. I lost track of them because they moved so I don't get more stories. But anyway Colombia's identity will be held on to by all Colombians, as it should be. There are some here in the US that don't take to foreigners, but for the most part most Americans are eager to learn and enjoy. I think the same would be there when the US gets there some will gripe about things, but most will get out and enjoy the food, culture, music, everything. As with any group, there will have to be an adjustment period. But I agree with someone's earlier posts - what a great tour of duty that would be!

Loyal to both.

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quantum says on Jul 17, 2009, 12:20:

Sounds like u were right on top of it "the killing of Pablo" there Eazygoin.........were u part of the asault team or paparazzi? Although Im inclined to agree with you on the downside of Plan Colombia, its a complicated subject and 8 yrs of improved security which I have seen for myself is definately a big part of the upside.......lets look at the big pelicula Eazy, but I agree witcha, "no American bases in Colombia". Unless of course Hugo wants to start something....which is pretty unlikely.....but it would change the scenario, wouldnt it??

quantum

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chingon says on Jul 17, 2009, 12:25:

I am in medellin....

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chingon says on Jul 17, 2009, 12:26:

Hugo can start nothing and he knows it...

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billyb says on Jul 17, 2009, 13:22:

"This is not true. Pablo Escobar got shot at the 02 or 03 of December 1993. You write over 16 years but it is exactly 15 years and 256 days. Please don't talk about things you don't know, thanks"

Was this when you were the German embassador to Colombia, or Venezuela?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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tasco66 says on Jul 17, 2009, 14:27:

Easy-e, remind us why they put you in jail in your hometown of Zurich?

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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webmanco says on Jul 17, 2009, 14:34:

I would take the admiration marks from the title on the original thread.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 17, 2009, 18:36:

seacomoche says on Jul 17, 2009, 23:07:

Easy E is right.

The U.S. is all about world domination. Forget Nazi Germany. What other country in the world tries to run every other country (by force, money, or coercion)? We ARE the terrorist nation they warn us about. The evidence is indisputable.

WE won't agree to the humane treatment of POWs.
WE have the weapons of mass destruction.
WE are always willing to support the "freedom fighters" (terrorists).
We will take over your piss-ant country if we feel like it.
WE are the nation that strikes fear into the hearts of innocent people everywhere.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/15262
http://ijpor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/16/1/91

THIS is reality.

Sounds like the leader of the free world to me!

We're leading the world all right.

Straight down the toilet.

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sirwhale says on Jul 18, 2009, 08:54:

This was the logical next step for the yanks. I mean who really hasn't seen this coming? I've heard a number of Colombians talk about the great aliance with America.... Bollocks, read between the lines. America exploits. How much money is it earning from the loans to Colombia to buy weapons from American businesses? How many secret concecion deals do the Americans have to exploit Colombias rich natural resources because Colombia can't afford the rediculous loans the Americans dish out??

This is the foot in the door... one step at a time the Americans are continuing the exploitation and control of ''their backyard''

When we went to the falklands the Americans seriously considered not giving any support of any type as they thought the a British victory would destablise the right wing dictatorship and allow one of those stupidly feared left wing groups to take power. So much for alliance, those wankers have no allies. Britain went to war in world war one as we had a verbal agreement with France.

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gatogris says on Jul 18, 2009, 10:12:

The US military has a nightmarishly bad reputation in Latin America that is richly deserved. It is hard to look past training an entire generation of officers in dirty war tactics at the School of the Americas, supporting some of the cruelest dictators in modern history, or the literally dozens of armed incursions that have taken place over the past 150 years, most of these on the flimsiest pretexts masking an obvious motive of self-interest. Colombians have very good reasons to be wary.

On the other hand, billions of dollars in aid, strong partnerships on all levels of business, government, academic and civil society groups have also characterized relations between the US and Latin America. As neighboring republics that overthrew colonialist powers, the structure of their national institutions share much in common. Furthermore, despite the evidence from some of these posts, after a long and storied interaction, North Americans and Latin American citizens often genuinely get along well in each other's countries.

There is no doubt that US bases in Colombia are meant as a check on the pugnaciousness of Hugo Chavez. The diplomatic imbroglio over the raid into Ecuador last year showed that sabre-rattling could quickly escalate beyond the control of the counties' leadership. The US does not want conflict in the region, and means these bases to act as a serious deterrent. Uribe is happy for the same reason. In some ways, Chavez played right into the US' hands with his mobilizing troops - it is doubtful Colombia would have agreed so readily to the US plans without this threat. On the other hand, the bases are also a mere formal acknowledgment of a de facto military alliance that has been strengthening over the past decade. Whether we object or not, it is a matter of record that Colombia and the US have been marching in lockstep for some years now.

The question is whether the more restrained diplomatic approach of President Obama will mean that these bases are less a matter of asserting military might in the region, and more a matter of convenience and cooperation in drug interdiction, as well as a shot over Chavez' bow.

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gatogris says on Jul 18, 2009, 10:42:

It's good to keep soldiers away from analysis. After all, it's not theirs to wonder why. Somebodies got to be the cannon fodder.

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scooby_1781 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 18, 2009, 13:31:

ratbag says on Jul 18, 2009, 19:59:

i'm with Eazy E and seacomoche. ....who the fuck wants the army here really ..Uribe..fuck. could he suck up anymore..but yes we thank them for their help and control and influence they have over the world. colombia will be a better place for it...hopefully they build more mcdonalds and hooters while they are here oh and more bad ass rappers from the hood come down and make rap videos...american culture is the best. the more Colombia comes like america the better it will be.

and as for plan colombia that's money well spent...it's so hard to get cocaine anywhere in the world now.

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Lcacique says on Jul 18, 2009, 23:44:

The bases aren't just for Chavez. He may be numero uno on the list, however, the region swung to the left and it will likely be unstable in the future if the economy keeps tanking = the entire region is of concern to the US. Chavez may have played a role in convincing Colombia to accept the bases, yet given our long history of military cooperation and Colombia's addiction to US military aid, I can't help but think that Colombia would have allowed the bases regardless of whether or not he was a threat.

Makopp: "roloen las drogas y el terrorismo fiinanciado por los consumidores en todo el mundo no es un problema colombiano, sino international."

Fine. Then let Colombia have a few bases in the US and Europe in order to carry out missions with impunity.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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goin_south says on Jul 19, 2009, 00:23:

hey ratbag... since you're in Afganistan... could you please go help to free that soldier.... so he can help control the poppy-ulation

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Monpirri says on Jul 19, 2009, 06:13:

Funny stuff GS,
Yeah ratbag go and help free the soldier in Afganistan because the "poppy-ulation" is out control.

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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ratbag says on Jul 19, 2009, 09:49:

yeah hilarious..unfortunately i'm not there anymore....

i'm in Colombia hanging out out at Burger king, Mcdonalds and Hooters. Colombia is becoming more and more Americanised every day and I love every minute of it..feel right at home.

and listen i hope you're not making fun of me because I am familiar with Muslim culture and sometimes where a turbin...

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