U.S. Medical Care

Rikito says on Jul 21, 2009, 06:11:

bump

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2009, 06:19:

it's still pretty much a mystery. unfortunately, the president is pressing too hard to expidite the issue...wanting an up or down by aug 1st. the complicity and problems involved are gigantic and need much more time to resolve. then compounding the issue are representatives and senators who make politics out of the whole issue, retarding resolution even further. there are so many issues that need to be resolved and the congressmen need to focus on these and leave the political maneuvering out of the fray. it's a blow by blow issue right now as they're not focused on the issues right now, rather, they spend more time fighting and accusing each other and nothing really gets done. the congress needs to grow up and stop thinking about their votes and the president needs to take the pressure off of them to resolve this gigantic problem in a couple of weeks. it took 45 years to create the mess and they're not going to do a satisfactory job of reworking it in six months.

patriarch

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Rikito says on Jul 21, 2009, 06:38:

"...the congress needs to grow up..." Please, you and I know that will never happen. After all it is just too much fun spending money you do not have and then blaming everyone else for the problem. I laugh every time Rangel gets up to speak about taxing the wealthy more. Hell he doesn't even bother to pay his own taxes.

So you don't see anything happening in the near future then. It's a relieving response...thanks.

...and so it goes

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lpdiver says on Jul 21, 2009, 07:03:

I find it very difficult to believe that you cannot find a better policy in Colombia.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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stephen_aubrey says on Jul 21, 2009, 07:07:

I would guess this has no effect on you,I am from Canada and as soon as Canadians leave the country they are not
covered medically outside the country,they must pay for their own private medical insurance out of pocket to any plan they want.I cannot see the Obamacare being some world wide coverage.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

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durito2 says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:00:

You will be able to keep your current coverage and the price will likely drop.

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aztec says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:05:

durito2, With all due respect I don't believe that!

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Rikito says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:06:

lpdiver and azunoman. Plan is Colombia do not cover pre-existing conditions, I am also over 65, and I am a big person at 6'3" and 245 lbs I am considered obese here. I had ColSanitas for a cup of coffee and they completely sucked. You do not get good doctors unless they are signed up on your medical plan. My dentist who is a Colombian and U.S. trained will not use Col Saniats because like most Colombia insurance they pay doctors a minimum. lpdiver your profile doesn't show that you have ever lived in Colombia or any other country except the U.S. so I will limit my comment. If you look at health care in other countries the U.S. stands head and shoulders ahead of almost any other country like Canada, UK, South America, France. There is just nothing to compare. The Middle East has good insurance but questionable medical providers. You will always get better care with private insurance than the crap that the UK forces on its citizens and the U.S. are trying to force down your throat.

My biggest problem is my age. This is also the biggest problem with all other providers as well. Why? Older patients use something like 90% of their medical care during the last 10 years of life. You will be there one day soon so watch and see. My older brother is 73 years old and healthy all of his life. He was a great athlete and was very active as he grew older. No hospital stays, no surgeries no sickness requiring bed rest...nutin In the last month he has run up medical bills of over $100,000 to cure his bout with Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer, chemo, and Physical Therapy. So if you are healthy now good for you, but for most of us our days will come. Me, I have acute arthritis in my neck, and joints, and I have lost 1/3 of my intestines due to combat. Oh and in general I have a bad attitude. My day is coming.

...and so it goes

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:08:

I think you're confused about the proposal the Obama Administration has made regarding healthcare coverage. What he is proposing is an alternate type of coverage that will be more affordable to most people living in the US. It will not replace any existing healthcare systems, coverages, insurances, whatever you choose to call them. It's another option. You may stay with what you have, in this case Blue Cross Blue Shield, but if you choose not to, you can opt to go with his new proposed coverage.

It sounds like a very good, firm proposal and I don't think his objective is to get it done as right here, right now, but he's trying to get congress to get off their butts, put more thought into it and get into gear. That's what we need right now, we need the wheels to start turning or we'll be in big trouble now that all these baby boomers are lasting longer and longer without proper healthcare and all kinds of health problems.

Diana

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durito2 says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:18:

"nutin In the last month he has run up medical bills of over $100,000 to cure his bout with Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer, chemo, "

Glad to hear he was cured. I had the same cancer at 23 and also had 100k in medical bills. Thankfully my insurance paid all of them, before proceeding to rack up my insurance to $800 a month for 5 years. 10k a year in health insurance for a recent college grad is a bit much imo. This is the problem with the US health care system. A competing gov't system should force private insurance to provide more competitive coverage. FWIW the exact same treatment in Colombia costs less than 20k.

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viajero123 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:29:

Mononoke28 says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:42:

ronrumron says on Jul 21, 2009, 10:18 (today):

This administration wants socialism at its worst.
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I couldn't disagree more.

Diana

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lpdiver says on Jul 21, 2009, 11:40:

Rikito,

I suspected that you might be dealing with "preexisting" conditions; but, did not intend to pry. That being said, in other threads here I asked the questions about preexisting and age limitations and the responses by posters here were that it wasn't an issue. These were posters that lived there in Colombia.

I did place a fair amount of faith in them; however, you are right. You don't know. My second hand experience with my wife's family varies with the policy that they have. From good to sucky. My personal experience with my own illnesses and treatment in Colombia on a cash basis were phenominal.

I am healthy at the moment; so, like so many things it depends on personal circumstance.

A few years back I was pretty ill and probably a hundred pound overweight. I have lost the weight and a ton of medical problems.

I want to know the details. I spend six weeks a year in Colombia and I am considering carrying a policy to insure insurability.

Could you carry double insurance until you met an excludability period?

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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theflatline says on Jul 21, 2009, 13:19:

IP,

You can carry insurance in the US and Colombia without any problems as long as you pay the premiums. If that is what you are asking. I did for 2 years.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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lpdiver says on Jul 21, 2009, 13:20:

Well I am curious as to whether someone with preexisting conditions could carry a policy for say two years then be covered.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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wollersheim says on Jul 21, 2009, 17:04:

Stephen Aubrey
Your statement that all of Canada will not cover you for health care costs when you are out of the country is just not true. I know for sure that Alberta, BC and Ontario will cover you for both hospital and doctor to same level that they will cover you in your home p;rovince. Nancy and I are from Alberta and never get extra insurance when we travel. We often go to a doctor or a hospital in other countries (including Colombia), pay the bill up front and when we get home send it to our Alberta health care provider and we always get paid fully. It takes a while but always happens.

Ron Wollersheim

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lampltr says on Jul 21, 2009, 17:20:

With this Socialized Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid as we know it will be out the window...Private insurance would be phased out in addition to much more....Need to read the fine print on this bill that is hoped to be passed before their break.

Rikito, do you happen to have Tricare? If yes, you would be covered in Colombia. Myself and the family, we have such rapor with the regional centers that this issue is never raised and a bill is sent to us in the mail...rough times, payment plans are set, but this care in Colombia is super cheap and great quality. Wife had heart surgery and the bill was under $7K!!
In the major cities where most of you are, this situation may be much different.

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larryrn says on Jul 21, 2009, 17:42:

I cancelled my Blue Cross Blue Shield and now have Coomeva and EPS from Coomeva. This insurance is much better than BCBS and covers me since I live here full time. Why would you want to continue to pay for BCBS if you live here?? I am just curious.. Larry

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Corey3368 says on Jul 21, 2009, 18:03:

Really a question geared my Human Resource Dept or my Ins. carrier (Anthem BCBS) but maybe someone has some experience with this situation. Does Anthem BCBS cover any expenses in Colombia? Do they possible have a program to use their ins. in Colombia. I am a State Employee and will have full coverage for my spouse, son and myself at no charge when I retire in 3 1/2 years. We plan on moving to Colombia in 4 years. I assume I will have to purchase a policy in Colombia but was wondering if my Ins. from the US would cover anything in Colombia. Also is it possible to obtain prescription drugs from my Ins. in the US and have them shipped to Colombia (Example medication for Diabetes).

Thanks and hope you all can understand my question!

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aposantos says on Jul 21, 2009, 19:34:

The majority of U.S. veterans have health insurance available in the Veterans.Administration system for free, or for very little at most. Required to make a visit to the States, however still a viable option. .

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kramer says on Jul 22, 2009, 08:23:

Yes, under most of the existing proposals, your private health insurance is affected and is in danger in the long term.

Why? Because no more people can be signed up for existing private plans (for instance, this is a prime feature of the current House bill). So many private plans will die a slow death as no new healthy subscribers join that insurance pool (basically every insurance pool is a totally different set of people being insured). And as premium prices go up, many, especially healthy members will jump ship for the government sponsored plan or other plans and thus the remaining sicker members in the insurance pool will be affected by what economists call the "death spiral" of such an insurance pool. Even if there is not a government sponsored alternative, if no new subscribers can be added to an existing plan, it is in danger for the long term.

As far as I know, virtually no one disagrees with my statement above on either side of the ideological aisle.

You will be able to change insurance. But it is possible that it will be much more expensive (this is the controversial part). Go to ehealthinsurance.com and compare rates in a most any state (California, for instance) with New Jersey, which already has similar rules in place. Virtually no private insurance companies will do business in New Jersey, a highly populated state with a big market -- my rates would have been 5x higher there than in California.

Kramer

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Rikito says on Jul 22, 2009, 09:17:

Mononoke28 but why is the new healthcare system going to cost trillions of dollars. Why are Democrats abandoning Obamacare? I have heard what you said and it sounds good, but if it is so good why is everyone bitching about the cost? There has to be some sort of catch 22 if I stay with BC/BS. I don’t understand, but then again I never understood my first wife either.

lpdiver sorry, but I would never believe what an insurance company tells me. If it looks too good to be true it probably is. Like I said before, I had Col Sanitas and they dropped me due to age and weight. I was only happy that I kept my BC/BS until I was sure about Col Sanitas. Oh and they told me all kinds of nice things and don't worry about this and that. But at the end of the day, they lied to me.

Ýou asked, “Could you carry double insurance until you met an excludability period?” I don’t’ know, but I would say yes because companies in the U.S. are not going to know what companies in Colombia do. Also, unless it is spelled out somewhere in Colombian law or the Insurance company policy it is none of their business.

larryrn why stay with BC/BS? I don’t know that answer. It is a trust thing I guess. I need to do more research. But I am concerned about the pre-existing stuff for one, and with BC/BS I get additional coverage because of my military and civilian combat injuries both physical and mental. BUT WAIT, I need to tell you that I am in a different BC/BS plan than a regular civilian is. I am in FED Blue Cross and Fed Blue Shield and not Anthem. The coverage is different somewhat different. For example, if I need major surgery I can be flown back to the U.S. as the insurance pays.

And yes Corey3368, Anthem does pay for Colombia medical problems anywhere in the world that you go. You can go to their web site and look up physicians in Colombia for example and they will give 30 pages of Doctors who work with Anthem. I live in Armenia and I do not have any doctors on the Anthem list so I just call Anthem and talk with them, let them know who I am going to see and they approve as long as you tried to find a doctor on their list. But when you retire, expect that you will have to pay some amount. If you take a walk in the U.S. State Department web site for Colombia you should be able to find some additional info.

And something else I found. The cost of insurance in Colombia is not that much different than in the U.S.

At the end of the day I think it is still a big crap shoot as to what insurance you use and where. You have to remember, insurance companies are for profit companies before anything else. And if they see you draggin them into an abyss they will find a way to dump you.

Thanks to all of you for your intelligent answers. You help me a lot. At least I know I have more work to do.

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E-Man says on Jul 22, 2009, 13:56:

Here are my thoughts:

If the Obama care is passed the following would most likely happen:

1) It is going to take a some years for the implementation of the program (6 to 7 years to be fully implemented).
2) If you have private individual health insurance there is a possibility that you will have to transfer to the government plan which most likely be cheaper.
3) If you are in a company sponsored group plan (for example, the Feds, IBM, etc.) with an Insurance Company it will not initially effect you much. But as they implement this plan the costs of these group plans will rise for the following reasons:

a) Adverse selection for the Group Insurance Carriers (BC/UNited HealthCare, Aetna, Etc) - the healthy people will go to the government plan (because it is cheaper) and leave the sicker people for the group insurance carriers. Sicker people means higher costs for those in that plan. Companies will typically pass the costs on to the employees.
b) Not have the ability to deny people with pre-existing conditions and other health coverages means higher costs since these insurance companies will now have to cover these individuals. Higher costs for the companies and thus the individuals that are covered under the policy.

There is a reason for the rise in medical costs:

1) the ageing of the population
2) the increasing obesity of our population
3) increased costs for medical malpractice insurance and lawsuits - thus, doctors make more tests to protect themselves. more tests = higher costs.
4) Providers are asking for higher reimbursements from the insurance company due to the recession. They have less money and grants coming in.
5) Increased state and federal mandates to cover particular illnesses:mental health, infertility, etc. Increased mandates = higher costs to insurance companies, employers and its employees.

This is a very complex issue and for Obama to try to cram this bill quickly is shown in his approval ratings decline (especially regarding this issue).

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 22, 2009, 14:17:

Rikito says on Jul 22, 2009, 09:17 (today): flag

Mononoke28 but why is the new healthcare system going to cost trillions of dollars. Why are Democrats abandoning Obamacare? I have heard what you said and it sounds good, but if it is so good why is everyone bitching about the cost? There has to be some sort of catch 22 if I stay with BC/BS. I don’t understand, but then again I never understood my first wife either.
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Absolutely it's a catch 22 but someone needs to address it and not shove it under the rug because it's too complex to deal with. Bottom line is, we need some sort of affordable health insurance plan ASAP. Done. I think if people actually think about how much a health plan of this magnitude would cost over time vs. the amount of money most Americans will have to shell out because they have no coverage whatsoever and yet people are living longer thus making cancer cases up and rising, diabetes, alzheimers disease, dementia, heart disease, etc. Who do you think will have to shell out to cover these upcoming and unavoidable expenses? Us, right? So might as well address it now before it's too late, as painful as it may sound.

Diana

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Corey3368 says on Jul 22, 2009, 18:33:

Thanks Rikito for helping with my question. really appreciate it!

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aztec says on Jul 23, 2009, 03:19:

GovernmentCare’s Assault on Seniors

"Since Medicare was established in 1965, access to care has enabled older Americans to avoid becoming disabled and to travel and live independently instead of languishing in nursing homes. But legislation now being rushed through Congress—H.R. 3200 and the Senate Health Committee Bill—will reduce access to care, pressure the elderly to end their lives prematurely, and doom baby boomers to painful later years."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574303903498159...

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Aji1 says on Jul 23, 2009, 06:10:

Obama is using a tried and true Bush tactic. Deploy the smoke, deploy the mirrors, and ram it through before anyone can make heads or tails out of what the result and effect may truly be. Sad the emphasis is not on crafting a good product, but about how to polish a turd and do so quickly.

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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E-Man says on Jul 23, 2009, 09:59:

Obama's math in terms of the cost to cover this care does not add up:

Average cost to cover 1 person currently = $330 per person per month
Let's say they discount this 20% due to savings (reduced medicare savings, drug companies reimbursements decline, etc= ($330 X .8 = $264) $264 per person per month
$264 per per person per month X 50,000,000 uninusured X 12 months X 10 years X 30% inflation over 10 years = $2.059 trillion

That is double his projections.

What does that mean = increased taxes = higher costs to everyone since they didn't calculate the needed costs correctly = people will have to pay for this government plan.

This does not take into consideration the growth of the population (more $) and the additional coverage that the government might mandate (for example you cannot deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions) (more $).

You will basically have SS and medicare system all oevr again.

Bottom line is that he needs to slow down and look and make the wisest decisions in order to make this work.

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E-Man says on Jul 23, 2009, 09:59:

Obama's math in terms of the cost to cover this care does not add up:

Average cost to cover 1 person currently = $330 per person per month
Let's say they discount this 20% due to savings (reduced medicare savings, drug companies reimbursements decline, etc= ($330 X .8 = $264) $264 per person per month
$264 per per person per month X 50,000,000 uninusured X 12 months X 10 years X 30% inflation over 10 years = $2.059 trillion

That is double his projections.

What does that mean = increased taxes = higher costs to everyone since they didn't calculate the needed costs correctly = people will have to pay for this government plan.

This does not take into consideration the growth of the population (more $) and the additional coverage that the government might mandate (for example you cannot deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions) (more $).

You will basically have SS and medicare system all oevr again.

Bottom line is that he needs to slow down and look and make the wisest decisions in order to make this work.

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 23, 2009, 14:45:

I seriously don't think he wants this done in three weeks. I do however think that he wants Congress to stop focusing so much about their summer break rather than the issue itself. Put the pressure on so they can get to work, but if you say "nah, we can do it later" it'll never get done. Procrastination is a horrible waste.

Diana

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 23, 2009, 15:45:

katwhiskers says on Jul 23, 2009, 16:54:

I miss the wonderful sound of silver coins in my pocket, abolish the Federal Reserve and bring back real money.

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 23, 2009, 17:03:

kramer says on Jul 23, 2009, 23:07:

If this health care reform were actually serious about lowering costs instead of rushing through a law to socialize a large part of the economy, for starters, there would be talk about changing the ridiculous malpractice lottery system (1/3 of which goes to lawyers). When a surgeon is paying $180K per year for malpractice insurance before he opens the doors for patients, who pays? Plus the even larger cost of defensive medicine.

Yet there is shockingly no malpractice reform in the current bills and the President made not a single mention of it in his last press conference on health care when the stated justification for this reform is lowering rapidly increasing medical costs. I had high hopes for President Obama to be post-partisan and above politics, but this is precisely a huge sop to the trial lawyer lobby and shines light on true motives. If I hear the President state again the false choice that we must scrap the current system "as opposed to those who would do nothing", I think I am going to faint.

Remember that health care is never "free", we are just debating who is going to be paying the bills. And the choice is not between scrapping the system and doing nothing.

Kramer

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aztec says on Jul 24, 2009, 02:47:

How Obama Stumbled on Health Care

"Here’s the dirty secret behind Washington’s health-care “fight”: Democrats won everything in last year’s election."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306323185061...

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Aji1 says on Jul 24, 2009, 08:18:

I thought this was interesting, and not off topic since it is these same politicians that are trying to "help" get the US health care system to a "new and improved" status.

545 vs. 300,000,000

EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.


545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913 Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive Social Security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees,

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is up to you.

This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
It’s time to apply
The inheritance tax.


Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
State Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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lpdiver says on Jul 24, 2009, 15:02:

If a surgeon is paying $180,000 dollars per year in malpractice insurance he does not have a very good track record and probably should not be practicing at all.

Kind of like the insurance cost for someone with ten DWIs and fifteen car crashes in the driving world.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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