Uribe is Breaking it Down

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 08:17:

bump

god is in your head

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 08:18:

thanks, how long ago?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Simon says on Mar 7, 08:21:

I'm watching it now and Uribe is telling it as it is!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 08:28:

all the south american presidents are there including chavez and correa.

i think it just came on a little while ago, jd.

god is in your head

kat1 says on Mar 7, 08:29:

please report as i am in the UK.. and here the only news i heard is Jordan ( a model) has new boobs.

LDW says on Mar 7, 08:31:

Can somebody please tell the forum what the substance of all of this is about.

Biening all over the world, channel 9 would be different for just about everybody in here.

Simon says on Mar 7, 08:31:

Wow, I'm happy for Jordan.

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

Mononoke28 says on Mar 7, 08:37:

My channel 9 here is NBC... and I'm at work. =\

Diana

LDW says on Mar 7, 08:38:

My channel 9 is the A&E network.

msaucey says on Mar 7, 08:42:

Update... what's going on... what type of breakdown....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

kat1 says on Mar 7, 08:43:

Is this?
http://www.tn.com.ar/

msaucey says on Mar 7, 08:44:

Cliffnotes anyone?...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

kat1 says on Mar 7, 08:45:

check the link above msaucey

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 08:45:

uribe is now covering some details associated with the evidence found in the computers. it appears to me that he is attempting to advance the evidence to international courts. chavez is being a pretty cool and diplomatic character. correa is smirking alot and shaking his head in disagreement. correa is smug and quite the smart ass in his facial reactions.

god is in your head

Simon says on Mar 7, 08:45:

It's on CNN en Español which is channel 419 en DirecTv.

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

kat1 says on Mar 7, 08:47:

oigan y a todas estas donde esta Piedad Cordoba? anda muy calladita

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 08:47:

Uribe: "Señor presidente Correa, Ecuador does not limit with FARC"
"Colombia neither interfere nor finance political campaigns in other countries" remember the guy arrested in buenos aires with U$800 K in cash?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 08:48:

cH 9 for me too......................WHAT the f**k..................Every one of them is speaking in Spanish...?????
One would think that some of the Latin American leaders could speak English.

I'm sending an e-mail to Rush Limbaugh..............he'll get a laugh out of this..

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 08:48:

Piedad esta disfrutando de su nueva ciudadania Venezolana...
I can´t believe media here didn´t show that.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

LDW says on Mar 7, 08:50:

Uribe speaks English very well............but he is addressing his comments to Spanish speakers.

Would you expect Bush to speak to Americans in Spanish just to make Spanish-speaking listeners happy?

pedro says on Mar 7, 08:52:

Did anyone remember to invite the king of Spain to make sure Chavez shuts up?

"also while I am at it anyone who need to have more than one username on here to me is not a serious member of this forum" -- vicshere. ¡save pow wow!

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 08:53:

Rush Limbaugh says everybody should be speaking English...............
................................................He's going to be pissed that these Latin American leaders are speaking Spanish........................
........................................I've just sent him an e-mail..................
......................................................expect a severe reaction.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 08:53:

Bush mutters Spanglish to entice voters
Uribe went to Harvard and Oxford
VP Santos has a B. S. form UT Austin

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

huskie says on Mar 7, 08:54:

http://www.cmi.com.co/Contenido/videos.asp?Ver=1

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 08:56:

the only non-Spanish speaking president there is Lula

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

kat1 says on Mar 7, 08:56:

LOL RAYYY YOU'RE CRAZY

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 08:59:

Whatever he is saying............it's obvious he is not taking any shit from anybody


I wish I had continued my Latin classes at school............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:02:

uribe's administration is smart. although i cannot understand everything being said, it is an obvious strategy to link correa and ecuador to farc support in order to hang him first. chavez should fall by association thereafter.

anybody familiar with international law process?

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:02:

He's getting close to the end of his speech..................after he started talking about Chavez...................Chavez started laughing.........................................Whatever Uruibe said then.........................Chavez stopped laughing abruptly................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:03:

Correa pide rápida actuación ante "momento excepcional" para Latinoamérica
TeleSUR _ 07/03/08 - 11:16

El presidente de Ecuador, Rafael Correa, solicitó este viernes en Santo Domingo a la XX cumbre del Grupo de Río que se actúe rápidamente porque la región "vive un momento excepcional de gravísimas consecuencias".

Tras la aprobación de una serie de trámites como el ingreso de Haití y Guayana en el Grupo de Río, Correa pidió la palabra para entrar inmediatamente en el tema del conflicto generado por Colombia.

Correa comenzó su discurso adviertiendo que sería largo por la importancia del conflicto, aunque sus palabras no han sido transmitidas fuera de la sala de la reunión al cortarse la comunicación del circuito cerrado de televisión.

Antes de comenzar la reunión, Correa dijo que espera que la cumbre del Grupo de Río aporte "satisfacciones a Ecuador por la agresión de Colombia y la violación a su soberanía".

El presidente ecuatoriano señaló que para este tipo de situaciones "se ha creado el Grupo de Río: esperamos que se corten de raíz los comportamientos belicistas".

El mandatario agregó que espera que en esta cumbre "se siente un precedente para nunca mas permitir que un país se crea con el derecho divino de perseguir lo que ellos creen son terroristas por todos lados y que permite agredir a un país hermano".

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:04:

what channel are you watching?
I have RCN and Caracol and they haven´t showed anything but Uribe for 10 mins

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:04:

Channel 9 is Caracol in Medellin for the ones who have EPM cable TV.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:04:

I don't know what the f**k he's saying..................................but you know he's not one to be messing around.................he's not going to take any shit................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:05:

Correa shouldn´t spit too high, it may come back to his pretty face

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:06:

I think Uribe just declared war on Italy............good

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:07:

http://www.telesurtv.net/

Uribe is speaking.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:07:

and what about daniel ortega of nicaragua. the guy is not even wearing a suit and tie. he looks like he is getting ready to go to the movies or something... idiot. it is easy to tell who has been trained in diplomacy and who has not.

god is in your head

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:09:

Correa just got up and left!!!

Oh, they said he just went to the bathroom.

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:09:

"Desde el 2004 ha habido 40 ataques desde el teritorio ecuatoriano", agregó el presidente �lvaro Uribe ante la Cumbre de Río.

"Se habla del ataque a la soberanía de Ecuador, pero no de los ataques a Colombia desde allí", había dicho Uribe previamente.

Uribe manifestó que "Colombia ha cooperado con quienes quieren cooperar" en guerra contra Farc.

"En Ecuador había un tenebroso grupo armado", dijo, más adelante agregó: "(ellos) no se estaban preparando para la Semana Santa".

Aseguró que el bombardeo en Ecuador en el que murió alias Raúl Reyes se hizo desde territorio colombiano, a 1.800 metros de la frontera y que no hubo invasión del espacio aéreo ecuatoriano. Pidió revisar la información de los radares ecuatorianos para verificarlo.

Reconoció, sin embargo, que helicópteros colombianos entraron a territorio ecuatoriano y se disculpó por ello. Luego reconoció que no avisó a su homólogo ecuatoriano, Rafael Correa, sobre el operativo militar contra las Farc, y que si lo hubiera hecho, "habría fracasado" la operación.

Al comienzo de a mañana, el presidente �lvaro Uribe no accedió a reunirse directamente con presidentes de Ecuador y Venezuela.

Secretario General de la OEA, José Miguel Insuza, coincidió en que era inconveniente por ahora la reunión entre los mandatarios en la Cumbre de Río, que se realiza en República Dominicana.

"Creo que es un poco prematuro y un error (...) que se pase directamente a negociaciones entre presidentes. Eso lo hace la cancillería", dijo Insulza.

Al comienzo de este viernes, Uribe no aceptó a sentarse en la misma mesa con los presidentes Hugo Chávez, Rafael Correa y Daniel Ortega, a pesar de la insistencia de otros mandatarios para lograr un acercamiento.

Insulza agregó que la OEA no tenía capacidad técnica para evaluar el contenido de los computadores incautados a Raúl Reyes, dado de baja por las fuerzas militares de Colombia en territorio de Ecuador. "Nosotros no tenemos la capacidad técnica para llevar adelante solos una investigación. Tenemos que buscar ayuda externa (...). Nos parece mucho mejor que lo haga la propia Interpol".

Desde anoche Uribe sostiene en Santo Domingo reuniones con varios mandatarios latinoamericanos, para buscar su respaldo frente a la crisis con los presidentes de Ecuador, Venezuela y Nicaragua.

Se anticipó que el presidente �lvaro Uribe hará una intervención a medio día en la que reiterará el carácter terrorista de las Farc, y como Venezuela y Ecuador han contribuido a sus acciones contra la población civil en Colombia. Así mismo, ahondará en el concepto de la soberanía.

"Nuestro problema no es con los países sino con los terroristas de las Farc", dijo Uribe antes de ingresar al recinto. Uribe no apareció para la foto oficial del certamen.

El presidente venezolano Hugo Chávez dijo que es el momento de ''irse enfriando'' y que los nervios en torno a la crisis con Colombia comiencen a templarse.

A punto de inaugurarse la XX Cumbre del Grupo de Río, Chávez
estimó que la reunión será ''positiva, porque va a ayudar al
debate; tenemos que debatir, conversar y ese es el primer paso para buscar camino''.

Un grupo de países llevará una propuesta de resolución que busca acercar las posiciones de Venezuela, Ecuador y Colombia. Sin embargo, Daniel Ortega, presidente de Nicaragua, anticipó que busca una condena contra Colombia.

Es la primera vez que los cuatro mandatarios de estos páises se encuentran frente a frente después de la crisis que desató en la región la operación de la Policía Nacional en territorio ecuatoriano, para dar de baja al guerrillero 'Raúl Reyes'.

Se da por descontado que el tema oficial de la Vigésima Cumbre del Grupo Río, sobre recursos energéticos, desarrollo regional y manejo de desastres naturales, pasará a un segundo plano y toda la atención se centrará en las actuaciones de Uribe, Hugo Chávez, presidente de Venezuela; Rafael Correa, presidente de Ecuador; y Daniel Ortega, presidente de Nicaragua.

Fuentes en esta ciudad revelaron que la intención del bloque contra Colombia es lograr que en la declaración final del Grupo de Río se condene la intervención que hizo Colombia en Ecuador.

Será un nuevo escenario que Ecuador tratará de ganar, después de que Colombia logró un éxito diplomático al evitar una resolución condenatoria en el reciente consejo permanente de la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA).

Uribe contraataca


Uribe no se quedará atrás. A República Dominicana llevó una vasta documentación, que incluye videos de la guerrilla en territorios ecuatoriano y venezolano, así como los discursos belicosos del presidente Chávez contra varios países, en sus nueve años de mandato.

Una carta reservada será recordar que hace 20 años Nicaragua desarrolló la llamada 'Operación Danto 88', que consistió en intervenir en territorio de Honduras para atacar varias bases de la contra nicaragüense.

En ese entonces, el presidente de Nicaragua era Daniel Ortega, quien ahora utiliza el argumento de que Colombia intervino en Ecuador para romper relaciones con nuestro país.

"Nicaragua, en este momento, anuncia que rompe relaciones diplomáticas con Colombia (...) en solidaridad con el pueblo ecuatoriano y ante las reiteradas amenazas militares de parte del Gobierno colombiano".

Buscando aliados


A su llegada anoche, Uribe se reunió con los presidentes de República Dominicana, Leonel Fernández, y del Salvador, Elías Antonio Saca; y con el canciller de Brasil, Celso Amorím.

Hoy Uribe tiene previsto reunire en privado con el secretario general de la OEA, José Miguel Insulza, el presidente de México, Felipe Calderón y el presidente de Guatemala, �lvaro Colom.

Anoche el presidente anfitrión Leonel Fernández, le propuso a Uribe asistir hoy a una reunión privada con Rafael Correa y Hugo Chávez, con el propósito de conciliar los ánimos, pero Uribe Rehuso.

El presidente Colom, de Guatemala, a su llegada a Santo Domingo, también confirmó que trabajaría en la misma dirección, para lo cual se reunirá por separado con Uribe y Chávez.

Anoche también el presidente de México Felipe Calderón, confirmó su deseo de una salida diplomática en la crisis que enfrenta a Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador y Nicaragua.

Se espera que Uribe haga hoy un gran pronunciamiento en la plenaria del encuentro, en el que denunciará la agresión que las Farc hacen contra el pueblo colombiano, desde países vecinos.

Escenario de peleas

Es usual que la Cumbre de Río, un escenario de integración regional, sea tomada por algunos mandatarios para ventilar sus problemas bilaterales.

En las primeras ediciones de este certamen, los focos de las cámaras se concentraban en los discursos del ex presidente de Cuba, Fidel Castro, contra los programas de apertura económica o el bloqueo ordenado por Estados Unidos contra su país.

Ahora, es el Presidente de Venezuela quien aprovecha que la atención de todo el continente se concentra en este evento para tratar de imponerse y robarse el show.

Uribe no es ajeno a este tipo de situaciones. En la Cumbre de Río que se celebró en Lima, en el año 2003, tuvo un pequeño roce con su colega venezolano, que no pasó a mayores.

Ahora, el tono es distinto. Uribe no solo sabe que deberá enfrentarse a Chávez, también tendrá que lidiar con los encendidos discursos que muy seguramente dirán Correa y Ortega.

Bloque de Chile, Argentina y Estados Unidos insiste en solución pacífica de la crisis

1. El editorial de The New York Times, titulado 'Toma un respiro profundo', pidió a los presidentes de Colombia y Ecuador enfriar su retórica e iniciar una discusión sobre cómo mejorar su situación fronteriza. A Chávez le pide mantenerse al margen.

2. Condoleezza Rice, secretaria del Departamento de Estado de E.U., dijo en Bruselas que su país espera que las dos naciones encuentren una solución diplomática y llamó la atención sobre la necesidad de vigilar más las zonas de frontera.

3. La presidenta de Chile, Michelle Bachelet, recordó que tan importante como el principio de inviolabilidad de fronteras es la no intromisión en los asuntos internos de un país, en una clara crítica al papel jugado por Chávez en esta crisis.

4. Cristina Fernández, presidenta de Argentina, aprovechó su visita a Caracas, donde firmó varios acuerdos, para abogar por un entendimiento pacífico en la región. Dijo que la OEA es el mejor escenario para dirimir las recientes controversias.

Así están las relaciones con nuestro vecindario

Venezuela. El presidente Chávez ordenó el envío de 10 batallones a la frontera, el cierre de la embajada en Bogotá y la expulsión del embajador colombiano en Caracas. Ordenó el cierre de la frontera, pero hay paso de alimentos perecederos.

Ecuador. El presidente Correa rompió relaciones diplomáticas y expulsó el embajador colombiano en Quito. Buscó una condena contra Colombia en la OEA. Hay intercambio comercial en la frontera, pero con constantes requisas de la guardia de ese país.

Nicaragua. El presidente Ortega anunció ayer la ruptura de las relaciones con Colombia. Exportadores colombianos dicen que sus productos no se pueden comercializar con facilidad en ese país. Está pendiente un fallo definitivo de La Haya sobre los límites marinos.

¿Por qué rompió Nicaragua relaciones con Colombia?

Lo que el Presidente de Nicaragua busca con su decisión de romper relaciones con Colombia es aprovechar la reciente coyuntura de la crisis entre Colombia y Ecuador para tratar de hacerle ver al mundo que su país también es víctima de supuestas agresiones territoriales por parte de Colombia.

En este punto, el presidente de Colombia, �lvaro Uribe, ha sido claro en pedir a los colombianos y a la Armada Nacional que no se traspase el meridiano 82 que define la frontera entre los dos países. A su vez, el embajador de Colombia en la OEA, Camilo Ospina, pidió a Nicaragua dejar a un lado esta "actitud oportunista", pues el tema con Nicaragua es evaluado en la actualidad por la Corte de La Haya.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:09:

Did Correa just walk out................??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:09:

El incumbente fue al baño, fue a ajustarse la Correa!! :-)

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:09:

Uribe : " ya no hay paramilitaries en colombia"

Jajaja.

How do you want the other countries believe what he says?

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:10:

The HARD part:

"Luego reconoció que no avisó a su homólogo ecuatoriano, Rafael Correa, sobre el operativo militar contra las Farc, y que si lo hubiera hecho, "habría fracasado" la operación"

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:10:

they just called a recess, Correa went outside.
did he just started running or just to the loo?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

jonas says on Mar 7, 09:10:

he went for a leak i guess

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:10:

Yep................now Uribe won't continue until he comes back......

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:10:

And the suit and tie of Uribe will not change the matter ...

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:11:

VIVA URIBE HE IS DOING GREAT!!!!!

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:11:

wait buggy I am calling Huskie.

La cobardía de la agresion, palabras de Uribe.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:12:

Correa is back..................Ortega is walking out.........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:12:

i think ortega just threw a fit and walked out.....idiot.

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:12:

Now continuing................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:12:

representants of other countries seem very worried by his speech

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:13:

For those who can not follow via TV, radio caracol is covering it online via online radio

http://www.caracol.com.co/

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:13:

ortega can go and make some coffee.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:13:

Does Ortega think he´s dealing with peasants?
His throwing arms in the air, "how long is he going to take?" to Dom Rep president, the moderator

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:14:

♦

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:14:

Ortega went for a drink.

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:17:

cumbre en vivo: the behavior of Uribe seems truly to be this of a paranoid.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:17:

Now Correa is getting pissed...........................arguing back and forth with Uribe.............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:18:

OH SHIT!! CORREA AND URIBE ARE GOING AT IT!!!!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:18:

Does Hugo looks concerned or jsut his poker face?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:19:

those precious computers.

much like the glove in the oj trial.

god is in your head

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:20:

Correa is now talking.....................WHAT THE F**K..???/.......he's speaking Spanish also.........................I'm sending Rush Limbaugh another e-mail.............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:20:

hugo definately has the poke face, much smarter than correa.

god is in your head

Mononoke28 says on Mar 7, 09:20:

I would hate to have him as a dad. He would whoop my ass the whole time! XD

Diana

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:21:

Correa is denying everything

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:21:

En vivo: Uribe is discrediting Colombia in the front of the world

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:22:

RAAAY please don´t translate :-)

Correa llama Uribe mentiroso e imcopetente, sugiere crear una fuerza de Paz entre todos.

Le dice a Uribe cuide su casa, sus propias fronteras.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:23:

nobody is watching the henhouse. send in the stealth fighters and start carpet bombing!

god is in your head

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:23:

translation of Cassini´s words:
Correa is trying to save the day

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:24:

Buggy: You don't happen to be typing from the same kind of computer Reyes had, are you?

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:25:

jajaj jorgediaz

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:25:

Poor Colombia, poor colombians.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:26:

i want to hear what Calderon has to say, MX has been very quiet. They have guerrillas too

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:26:

Correa is finished.......................good thing too.......................looked like he was going to burst aa artery

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:27:

yeah, poor us Casini. we have to deal with all sort of outsider meddling, even from people who are not affected...

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:27:

Am I the only one here that does'nt have Buggy on ignore...?

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:29:

viva colombia and Uribe

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:29:

jajajaja... good one RAAY
I wonder why you didn´t ask god ól Rush what he thinks about Buggy

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:30:

Rayyy i want to, but i am hoping buggy leave the dark forces and come to the light and join us :))

buggy says on Mar 7, 09:31:

How is it possible to believe the shit of Uribe?

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:31:

We have hope Kat, we do ;)

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:31:

Calderon dice ustedes son hermanos, nadie gana si esto se va a mayores. Se estan abriendo hodas heridas que de pronto no puedan sanarse.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:32:

simple buggy just stop being Chavez, Reyes, Correa supporter :)))

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:32:

Caracol reports Manuel Munoz-Ortiz is Dead, killed today by Colombian forces.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/narc/rewards/63844.htm

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:33:

somebody please give Ortega a tie !!!!

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:35:

Correa said that he was talking to the FARC to make them release the Ecuadorian hostage... a new version.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:35:

polo - verdad? how?

jajaja - my henhouse strategy is working! hang on, i need to call in another strike!

great news if it is true!

god is in your head

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:36:

what POLO ? what are yiou talking about?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:38:

Caracol just reported ivan rios was killed by colombian forces, news is still coming down.

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:38:

Mexico is talking. Condemning the intervention of Colombia but asking to find an agreement.
He does not want to talk about the computer, for now.

IVAN RIOS WAS KILLED BY THE ARMY, 7i, Fiscalia.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:39:

uhmm webmanco, i think they should all hold hands smoke the pipe of peace and sing Kumbaya

borat says on Mar 7, 09:39:

Can't understand why so many people seem in support of Uribe's actions. The Geneva convention and the international laws that have been established after what happend under Hitler's Nazi Germany are a good idea.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:40:

holy shit !!
it´s true, RCN confirmed that
Army killed hiim in combat.
2 secretariat members dead within 1 week !!!
I can´t believe it.
VIVA COLOMBIA carajo

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:40:

Ivan Rios, Periodista, Ideologo, Antioqueño

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:41:

yep..............another one bites the dust...........................bet you he could'nt speak English either

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:41:

ivan rios, dead! WOOOOO HOOOOOO! this country is dead serious about promoting future tourism!

i can't tell if property values are going up or down at this point?

god is in your head

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:41:

In a few words guerrillero

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:42:

Webmanco...ummm.....you forgot to mention 'TERRORISTA'!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:42:

Manuel Jesús Muñoz Ortiz alias Ivan Rios 6th in Farc command DEAD

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:44:

Yeeeaahhhhhh......another bad guy bites the dust!!!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:45:

staba solicitado en extradición


José Juvenal Velandia había asumido el mando del Comando
Conjunto Central hasta el 2004.

Los registros judiciales en la Fiscalía y la Policía indican que 'Ríos' tiene orden de captura por los delitos de rebelión, terrorismo, homicidio con fines terroristas, tentativa de homicidio con fines terroristas y extorsión.

Los organismos castrenses lo consideran responsable de las incursiones armadas en los municipios tolimenses de Dolores, y Rovira, así como de hostigamientos a Cajamarca y Alpujarra, ocurridos en el 2002. Ordenó el ataque al Batallón Tenerife, en Huila, donde murieron 12 militares.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:47:

i've got $10 usd for the first person that produces a pic of the dead body of the late senor rios... i need a new screen saver, reyes is getting old.

god is in your head

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:47:

Ortega tiene diarrea, "la cobardia de la agresion" Uribe

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:47:

They are going to fight!
What a show!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:49:

how about a better pic

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:49:

Ingrid Betancurt will be release latter today, plus 3 northamericans, news came from Ecuador

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

El Polo says on Mar 7, 09:49:

I accept paypal

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 09:49:

They just announced they are going to release Ingrid..in a few hours.............and the three Americans

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:49:

ingrid betancort just freed? holy chit! what a big day in the NEWS!

god is in your head

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:50:

wow. wow. wow...

i guess correa has been talking to the farc ;)

god is in your head

robi666 says on Mar 7, 09:51:

You do not get bored in Colombia...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

webmanco says on Mar 7, 09:51:

Grupo de Rio, más bien grupo de Trio

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:52:

well you see, they felt they didn't have more options, aqui no nos engañan...

Thanks god for Uribes attacks otherwise we will be still waiting for "negotiations"

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:52:

no dead body, a captured guerrilla gave away the info.
do i get the $10.00 Marcos?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:53:

That's why correa disappeared uhmm he went to called Marulanda to tell OK we are in the shite please released hostage... heheheh

kat1 says on Mar 7, 09:54:

marcos? ok....

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:55:

"You do not get bored in Colombia..."

- if you do, be very, very worried.

god is in your head

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 09:56:

I found a tie for Ortega !!

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 09:57:

"Thanks god for Uribes attacks otherwise we will be still waiting for "negotiations""

- exactly!

"no dead body, a captured guerrilla gave away the info.
do i get the $10.00 Marcos?"

- whatchu mean, no dead body? i need the gory, gory proof!

god is in your head

Simon says on Mar 7, 09:58:

That looks like Ortega!!!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

webmanco says on Mar 7, 10:03:

Falta la intervecion de Chavez

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:04:

"That looks like Ortega!!!"

- nah, the monkey has too much hair!

god is in your head

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:06:

Ingrid Betancourt será liberada por Farc "en próximas horas", dice ministro de Seguridad de Ecuador
También serán puestos en libertad "tres ciudadanos norteamericanos, cuatro policías, tres militares colombianos y un ecuatoriano", agregó Larrea.

Además, el ministro mencionó que hasta antes de la muerte del 'número dos' de las Farc, Raúl Reyes, en un ataque del Ejército colombiano contra esa guerrilla en territorio ecuatoriano, se negociaba la liberación de Betancourt para "el 14 de marzo".

SO STRANGE...
Correa just said in front of everybody that Ecuador was contacting FARC for the release of the Ecuadorian hostage.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:07:

This is too funny, I'm watching this live, and Ortega has just brough up San Andres and patronized everyone by showing them a map. What a wanker

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:08:

Yeah, in the midst of the crisis, Ortega is now holding up a map and whining about San Andres.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:08:

"Correa just said in front of everybody that Ecuador was contacting FARC for the release of the Ecuadorian hostage."

- it is nothing more than a chess move to subvert the notion that the farc is a terroristic organization. uribe turned up the heat and forced the "dark side" to make a good faith move in order to divert attention from the truth. keeps gettin better and better...

god is in your head

romy says on Mar 7, 10:11:

"Lo que el Presidente de Nicaragua busca con su decisión de romper relaciones con Colombia es aprovechar la reciente coyuntura de la crisis entre Colombia y Ecuador para tratar de hacerle ver al mundo que su país también es víctima de supuestas agresiones territoriales por parte de Colombia.

En este punto, el presidente de Colombia, �?lvaro Uribe, ha sido claro en pedir a los colombianos y a la Armada Nacional que no se traspase el meridiano 82 que define la frontera entre los dos países. A su vez, el embajador de Colombia en la OEA, Camilo Ospina, pidió a Nicaragua dejar a un lado esta "actitud oportunista", pues el tema con Nicaragua es evaluado en la actualidad por la Corte de La Haya."

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 10:11:

is Ortega going anywhere?
Moderator please !!

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:11:

Ortega is still rambling on about Colombian "imperialism" and San Andres, get over it, that is clearly not the issue at hand. tosspot

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:12:

Uribe, in his typical paisa tone, is so eloquent and well-spoken, despite all the locura of today.

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:14:

jaaaaaaja we don't want a military solution to this, we want a friendly solution??? Ha, so you expect that Colombia will just give San Andres away, in a 'friendly' gesture? What is Ortega implying? This is getting more and more rhetorical. But amusing.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 10:14:

Ortega esta pescando en rio revuelto

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:15:

I don't understand too much of it, but what nice, calm, and clear Spanish from Uribe..

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:15:

For those who do not understand Spanish and thus cannot appreciated this summit, this article puts what is happening in context, and has summarized what has happened thus far.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7283151.stm

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:15:

Uribe just offered to give them San Andreas..............if Ortega will just put on a f**kin tie.....

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:15:

About Correa and his people. Now we have four versions!

1) We didn't have contact with FARC
2) We had contact for the release of Ingrid
3) We had contact for the release of the Ecuadorian hostage (direct on TV)
4) "se negociaba la liberación de Betancourt para "el 14 de marzo" by ministro de Seguridad de Ecuador

Next?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

webmanco says on Mar 7, 10:16:

Manuel de Jesus Muñoz Ortiz
Ivan Rios
José Juvenal Velandia

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 10:19:

I´m with Uribe in that one.
I´m sure E! fashion police agrees too ...

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Simon says on Mar 7, 10:20:

Ortega claims that San Andres should belong to Nicaragua because of its proximity. Well, then under that argument Alaska should belong to Canada! That's just ridiculous!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:22:

And Cuba should belong to the USA!

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 7, 10:22:

let´s see if Cristina Krischner jumps on that one too

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:23:

No, Cuba is a country. Alaska and San Andres are states/territories.

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:28:

Kirchener is ripping into Colombia, although not directly.

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:28:

OK, nevermind, now she is

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:29:

Soon to be territory of Venezuela?

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:30:

Yes... why Alaska does not belong to Canada? You f***ers Americans...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:30:

This is almost as exciting as a football match!

haha, hopefully not

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:30:

Uribe looks uncomfortable

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:31:

We bought if from the Russians.

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:31:

RCN must have a different feed than Caracol. They're doing a lot of background now, much from Caracas & the frontier.

webmanco says on Mar 7, 10:35:

Simon
This is almost as exciting as a football match!

so what is the score so far?

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:35:

I thought Kirchner was attractive, before. She looks like a witch on TV.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:36:

MIR - thanks for that bbc link.

god is in your head

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:36:

webnmanco:

It seems Uribe's just been red-carded by Kirchner... I'd say Colombia's unfortunately gonna lose! :(

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:36:

Argentina's President has just offered to give Chavez a b**w j*b if he calms down a bit......

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:38:

I don't know, but they shouldn't let a woman talk in a meeting of south american countries...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

El Polo says on Mar 7, 10:38:

LOL RAAY

El Polo says on Mar 7, 10:39:

BREAKING NEWS: chavez just accepted the deed and has calmed down dramatically

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:39:

Oh great, now Lula is giving it hard to Uribe, definitely not a good day for Colombia. Argentina and Brasil have sided, but they represent the more moderate left anyway...

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 10:39:

why, robi?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:41:

uh oh! me thinky feet taste good.... :0

god is in your head

Simon says on Mar 7, 10:42:

Kirchner...that leftist witch!! She is kind ot hot though!

"Qué te calles, coño!" -- Capitán Vidal (Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth)

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:43:

Wow, Colombia is just getting ripped apart by the big guns for their breach into Ecuadorian land.

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:43:

Come on Desi... Do you really think I am serious? :) And RAAAY and El Polo?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:44:

Yes Robi....................Why do you not like women..??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

vicshere says on Mar 7, 10:44:

""Wow, Colombia is just getting ripped apart by the big guns for their breach into Ecuadorian land.""
and worth ever rip to get to the FARC

listo

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:44:

robi secretly works for the sicilian mafia anyways. you can never trust the mafia.

god is in your head

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 10:45:

I don' t know. You tell me.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

robi666 says on Mar 7, 10:45:

On a more serious note, Colombia is having an hard day.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:46:

But Robi..................why do you keep saying that women have no place here....

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:46:

Lula seems to be now patronizing and diminishing in importance the specific problem of the FARC to Colombia, making it seem much less relevant than the problem at hand.

I don't think any of these countries realize the grandeur of the problem of the FARC.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 10:47:

robi - start talkin about san andres - QUICK!

god is in your head

huskie says on Mar 7, 10:48:

Did i hear some one call me? Well here I am.....well I think Correa and the Commie from Nicaragua, had to get up b/c they pissed and shit their pants when they heard Uribe talk...and as far as sticky bugger


I'll give him pure hell
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

LDW says on Mar 7, 10:49:

If Kirchner, Ortega, Chavez, Correa and their ilk (buggy and cassini??) think FARC is so fucking good, why don't they join them and camp out in the jungle with them?

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:51:

This is not having a hard day....................a hard day is when no talking is taking place............Today is posturing for each other's people. These speeches have been written in advance...............everybody says their piece and goes home.

There will be a statement at the conclusion of these talks. It will outline what is going to happen going forward.

This statement will already have been written and approved by the delegations from each country, or is still in the process of being agreed.

$1 anyone...??

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

manINred says on Mar 7, 10:51:

Well, they never said that at all, they just obviously do not understand that working multilaterally with Ecuador in eliminating the FARC hasn't worked, whcih is why Colombia did it unilaterally.

It was successful, wasn't it? They do not understand the problem of the FARC, methinks. They should, Argentina has had a history of violent guerrilla movements, and it took a BA regime to rid them of it.

vicshere says on Mar 7, 10:51:

If Kirchner, Ortega, Chavez, Correa and their ilk (buggy and cassini??) think FARC is so fucking good, why don't they join them and camp out in the jungle with them?

hell with that take em off colombia's hand and give a hunk of land to live in their own country

listo

sloopskipper says on Mar 7, 10:52:

Uribe Tears Into Correa at Summit With FARC Charges (Update1)

By Joshua Goodman

March 7 (Bloomberg) -- Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe tore into his Ecuadorean counterpart Rafael Correa during a regional summit, accusing the socialist leader of receiving campaign money from Colombian guerrillas.

Uribe, speaking to 15 Latin American presidents during the Rio Group summit in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, said Ecuador isn't an ally in the fight against terrorism and acknowledged he didn't inform Correa in advance of a military operation in Ecuadorean territory last week that killed top rebel leader Raul Reyes.

``I didn't inform him of the operation because we have not received cooperation from his government in the fight against terrorism,'' Uribe told the leaders.

Correa walked out of the room during Uribe's speech, prompting the Colombian leader to stop and say he wouldn't resume until his Ecuadorean counterpart came back to hear the charges. Minutes earlier, Correa called Uribe's version of the military operation a ``farce'' and said ``Colombia shelters more terrorists than anyone.''

The heated exchange and Colombia's fraying relations with neighbors Ecuador, Venezuela and Nicaragua dominated discussions at the Rio Group summit, an annual gathering that is intended to be a display of regional unity.

Fighting Back

Uribe, who has been mostly silent since the Organization of American States criticized his military's violation of Ecuador's sovereignty this week, saved no criticism of his neighbors' alleged collaboration with the FARC rebel group.

He said four laptop computers seized during the cross- border raid contained documents pointing to FARC financing of Correa's 2006 presidential campaign. This week, Uribe alleged the same files show Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been funding the FARC. Correa and Chavez have denied allegations they help the group.

``One letter from Marulanda to Raul Reyes transferring $50,000 to help Correa win the second round in his election,'' said Uribe, referring to septuagenarian FARC commander Manuel Marulanda.

Prior to his speech, Uribe was the only regional leader to miss a photo of summit participants, entering into the foreign ministry where the conference is taking place through a side door.

He also skipped a dinner last night hosted by Dominican Republic President Leonel Fernandez.

To contact the reporter on this story: Joshua Goodman in Santo Domingo at JGoodman19 at bloomberg.net.

LDW says on Mar 7, 10:53:

"hell with that take em off colombia's hand and give a hunk of land to live in their own country"

I am sure we can find some uninhabited land in antarctica for them.

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:53:

Here comes the monkey.....................he starts off laughing that the events have caused oil to go up $5

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

RAAAY says on Mar 7, 10:54:

He just said he used to be an altar-boy.........what the f**k

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance