UK drug users 'damaging Colombia'

tasco66 says on Nov 27, 2008, 11:21:

Finally a Police chief that understands the root of the problem

Not being bound to swear to the dogmas of any master

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Don Pedro says on Nov 27, 2008, 15:28:

One gram of coke costs £40-£50 and is easily obtainable on every corner of my 'barrio'

As far as I know this is at least 2x more expensive than US prices

No wonder UK is such a lucrative market for drug trafficers. I personally know many people who are occasional users and also few people who cannot go through a day without it. London can be a very stressful place...

El mayor riesgo es que deseas permanecer

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manINred says on Nov 27, 2008, 15:38:

Oh yes, I needed someone to remind me that the "root" of the cocaine "problem" in Colombia is the UK drug users.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 27, 2008, 20:47:

i wonder where the vice pres. puts the worlds cola manufactureres on the list of destroyers of colombia. they use thousands of tons of steralized coca annually. the math alone should convince the analyst that the cola's habit far exceeds the nose's and if every gram removes 4.8 sq mtrs of forest, the greatest destroyers of the selva are these manufacturers, not the world's miserable addicts.

the root of the problem? ha! as president gaviria pointed out some 20 years ago.....'la coca has been a part of our culture for thousands of years.' folks need to get used to it. the u.s. needs to stop wasting money on a fake 'war on drugs' how can a country where "drugs" are legal, wage a 'war on drugs" that's an oxymoron.

the hands that control the puppets of the cartels go to the highest offices in colombia and around the world. there are NO surprises here. the good guys are the bad guys are the good guys are the bad guys, ad nauseum.

mrs. regan said, "just say no" outside of being a truly nieve view of what is a serious problem, one cartel head was once quoted as saying, "how do you just say no to a hundred billion dollars?"

we in the west suffer incredibly with these substances because there's no true education regarding them, their properties and their effects on the human psyche. it's totally different in indigenous cultures, they educate their young in natural pharmacology. we don't...we lie to our youth and don't arm them with the truth. pity

dwmte

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Simon says on Nov 27, 2008, 21:08:

We should bomb the UK!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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manINred says on Nov 27, 2008, 21:30:

Yes Simon... you do that.

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manINred says on Nov 27, 2008, 21:30:

Dwmte, 100% agree, excellent points and far more in line with the real issues at stake.

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La_Huella says on Nov 27, 2008, 23:03:

I think the US and Europe should outlaw achiras, emeralds, coffee and chontaduro. Colombia would be ROLLING in it. :P

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kalder says on Nov 28, 2008, 00:39:

"We should bomb the UK!"

The Germans tried that and we sent them back into the Stone Age.

A fact of which any adolescent falangist should take note.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 28, 2008, 05:35:

well, brother kalder......simon might believe that old addage, ".....if at first you don't succeed...."

dwmte

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 28, 2008, 08:44:

LH, Bite your tongue. I have a huge shipment of achiras heading this way from Neiva with DePrisa. I'm actually not kidding. Those prepackaged "Achiras del Huila" that they sell most places outside of Neiva are a sad substitute.

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lpdiver says on Nov 28, 2008, 09:59:

It all comes down to a very simple equation. Supply = Demand .

The arguement could just as easily be stated that it Colombia didn't grow the stuff the UK wouldn't have to deal with all these drug problems. The other side of the equation is that if they didn't want the shit it would not be grown.

The obvious solution is to spend the billions of dollars on legitimizing the whole mess and allowing the war on drugs to be waged in the home, school, and religious institutioins.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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tasco66 says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:08:

if Colombia didn't grow the stuff it would be grown elsewhere

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lpdiver says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:14:

And if it was grown else where no cocain production damage would be occuring in Colombia. So when you get down to the root of the problem it originates in Colombia. NOT the UK, US, or anywhere else.

If they could keep their own house clean they wouldn't need to look under the rug in others.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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tasco66 says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:20:

it is being grown elsewhere

Start a business where there is no demand and see how long you last..

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lpdiver says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:28:

It is also being primarily grown in Colombia. WHY? Hmm?

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Simon says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:29:

""We should bomb the UK!"

The Germans tried that and we sent them back into the Stone Age."

Yeah right, if it wasn't for the USA and the Russians, your sorry arses would be speaking German right now.

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 28, 2008, 10:40:

touche'

dwmte

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Mongo says on Nov 28, 2008, 21:36:

Actually Simon, that is not true. It took the USA, the Russians, AND the UK to defeat the Nazis.

The British endured through more than most countries would have been able to, and they fought like hell. They bombed the hell out of Germany, along with the US, and they helped in the invasion of Normandy, the Battle of the Bulge, North Africa, Italy, France, etc. etc. They even fought in Asia and China. Remember "The Bridge Over The River Quai?"

To make light of the sacrifices of the British civilians, soldiers, sailors, intelligence, and RAF pilots shows a lack of knowledge.

The question is if the USA and Russia could have defeated the Axis powers without Britian. Almost certainly not!

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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dwmte7 says on Nov 29, 2008, 10:38:

not sure what's comin outta your mouth...were you in nam? many of us did our time...war is war, who fuckin cares who won...no body won...we all lost. and you? tell me your story.....

dwmte

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kalder says on Nov 29, 2008, 11:56:

Mongo- you sum it up very well. Take any of the Big Three out of the equation and God alone knows what would have happened to us.

Simon- you bang on about bombing people, killing people, people having better not 'fok' with you, Colombia, your Power Ranger collection; your avatars are often of Hollywood fantasy figures- Tony Montana, Rambo...if you have any self-awareness whatsoever, ask yourself if your m.o. is that of a grown man or of a rather silly little boy.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 29, 2008, 13:19:

heh kalder, amigo....did you read the e e cummings poem?

dwmte

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kalder says on Nov 29, 2008, 16:09:

Doug- I came across this comment on Wikipedia re cummings: "Readers sometimes experience a jarring, incomprehensible effect with Cummings' work, as the poems do not act in accordance with the conventional combinatorial rules that generate typical English sentences."
And I must admit, the little I've read of his stuff left me a little 'jarred' too. Nevertheless, I've also caught glimpses of something alluring in his work. I'll have to sit down and examine it all more closely.

I take it you're a fan?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Simon says on Nov 29, 2008, 16:55:

"Simon- you bang on about bombing people, killing people, people having better not 'fok' with you, Colombia, your Power Ranger collection; your avatars are often of Hollywood fantasy figures- Tony Montana, Rambo...if you have any self-awareness whatsoever, ask yourself if your m.o. is that of a grown man or of a rather silly little boy."


Kalder,

Do you honestly think I am going to project my true self on this silly board?

Btw, I'm glad you're keeping tabs on my PBH career, I didn't know you were a fan.

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 29, 2008, 17:21:

i might note d lain....you brought it up. si o no, son.

dwmte

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kalder says on Nov 29, 2008, 17:27:

So all your stuff is in bad faith, a knowing exercise in irony? Right you are.

But it begs the question- of all the myriad characters you could have adopted, what made you choose 'immature schoolboy'?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Simon says on Nov 29, 2008, 20:37:

"But it begs the question- of all the myriad characters you could have adopted, what made you choose 'immature schoolboy'?"

Because 'blowhard Brit' was already taken!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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manINred says on Nov 29, 2008, 21:54:

Mongo. thank you for that insightful and accurate post. YOu are absolutely 100% spot on.

"Take any of the Big Three out of the equation and God alone knows what would have happened to us."

This is also exactly correct, anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Britain was one of the only places in Europe that Hitler never had a stranglehold on, and that ended up costing him severely.

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manINred says on Nov 29, 2008, 21:59:

What irritates me about people like Simon who are so disrespectful and ignorant about things like this is that it ignores and downplays the many sacrifices that millions of real people made during the war. My family including all my grandparents fought in the war, and they went through so much pain and suffering to do it. Before the americans had even joined, one grandfather had taken a bullet through the helmet grazing his skull, a few milimteres away from manINred and a lot of his extended family never existing. We have to respect all of the comrades, from UK to USA to Russia to Australia to Canada etc... who suffered to help win the war. Anyone who is so ignorant and disrespectful to brush off and downplay the contributions of Britain (and America for that matter) in the war just makes me sad, not to me, but to know there are people who just couldn't care less about the sacrifices that many made. For all we know, Colombia could be speaking German.

Simon you preach and demand respect for Colombia, but how are you to be taken seriously if you show such disdain and disrespect to other countries like the UK? It is very hypocritical if you ask me. Joking or not, it is very distasteful.

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Mongo says on Nov 29, 2008, 22:24:

manINred, I am grateful for your family's sacrifice.

I was a History major in college and one of my primary areas of interest is WWII. I feel relatively knowledgeable on the subject, and I detest any twisting of the facts.

I see that you are also knowledgeable on this subject, manINred, and you, like so many around the world, have a family who suffered through it. I see that you, like I, do not believe this is a subject that should be taken lightly, and I applaud you for it.

The truth must be protected and shared, so that a terrible war like that one, does not occur again.

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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dwmte7 says on Nov 30, 2008, 03:42:

my grandfather served in ww 1 and my father in ww 2. neither in the british theatre, one in germany in the trenches and the other in n. africa and italy.

dwmte

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Mongo says on Nov 30, 2008, 21:30:

Igualmente for your family Douglass. I am grateful for their service.

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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lpdiver says on Dec 1, 2008, 11:47:

One of the things that AMAZES me about Colombians is their lack of knowledge of their own country. I often ask if there is any resentment about the USA financing a war and basically taking Panama from Colombia and all I get are shoulder shrugs or blank stares.

They don't know or don't care.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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tasco66 says on Dec 1, 2008, 12:51:

"What irritates me about people like Simon who are so disrespectful and ignorant about things like this is that it ignores and downplays the many sacrifices that millions of real people made during the war. My family including all my grandparents fought in the war, and they went through so much pain and suffering to do it. Before the americans had even joined, one grandfather had taken a bullet through the helmet grazing his skull, a few milimteres away from manINred and a lot of his extended family never existing. We have to respect all of the comrades, from UK to USA to Russia to Australia to Canada etc... who suffered to help win the war. Anyone who is so ignorant and disrespectful to brush off and downplay the contributions of Britain (and America for that matter) in the war just makes me sad, not to me, but to know there are people who just couldn't care less about the sacrifices that many made. For all we know, Colombia could be speaking German."

What has this got to do with UK drug addicts and their impact on Colombia?

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kalder says on Dec 2, 2008, 00:42:

Because conversations expand, develop, meander, wander off...

Which should be as bleeding obvious as the fact that you've a hole in your arse.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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dwmte7 says on Dec 2, 2008, 19:03:

thanks, mongo...i'll pass it on. not to confuse you, they're outta here, but not outta my heart.

dwmte

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