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jaramillo says on Mar 15, 2007, 09:48:

Me throwing you out of bed. Votando should say botando instead (botar is to throw out). Now, votar is to vote (I think they probably made a mistake). In that case it would be "me voting you out of bed".

Whatever the case, someone's outta bed ;)

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analyzethis1 says on Mar 15, 2007, 10:00:

Gracias Jaramillo Muchas gracias! Ahora me entiendo la significa de este frase. Todo esta bien. It's all fun and games!

But sometimes, my friend would write 'boy a ir' instead of voy a ir. I don't know if it's because she's teaching me how to say "voy" correctly (pronounce the 'v' as 'b'). Isn't it true that in Spanish the 'b' is pronounced 'v' and vice versa? Or does it depend which country you're from?

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ColombiaBoard says on Mar 15, 2007, 12:32:

Bad spelling Your friend has terrible spelling, the problem with that is that you'll learn her mistakes and then make them too when you write.

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analyzethis1 says on Mar 15, 2007, 12:57:

what about pronunciation? do you say 'v'oy or 'b'oy a ir...
barato o varato (I know it's spelled correctly with a 'b')

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Azul says on Mar 15, 2007, 13:11:

say... 'v'oy for voy, and 'b'arato for barato.

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jaramillo says on Mar 15, 2007, 19:11:

Azul is right although in most places in Colombia people do not care (Bogotá is an exception). So in most cases people uniformly use the "B" (we call it "labial B"), because you only use your lips, regardless of spelling. V is "labidental", cause your upper teeth touch the bottom lip. Glad to hear all is well, analyzethis.

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pedro says on Mar 16, 2007, 08:43:

Bad education Your friend just has a poor education. Never went to school enough, or never paid attention.

Hard to believe, but I have known people to screw up simple words like 'vien' instead of 'bien'.

I have also seen someone with a very good level of written Spanish write 'haber' when it should have been 'a ver'.

que nota!

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mecca says on Mar 16, 2007, 08:57:

Azul question about "ire" I know they use "voy a ir" all the time, but isn't "ire" the correct form? Thanks.

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Azul says on Mar 16, 2007, 11:59:

mecca 'voy a ir' means 'I am going to go', and 'ire' means 'I went'. The past and future tenses have been the hardest thing for me about learning Spanish....I am still learning :-)

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analyzethis1 says on Mar 16, 2007, 13:29:

Jaramillo, would you agree that Colombians, in general, speak formal and proper Spanish than the rest of S. America (except Brazil and Argentina)? 'Formal' as in addressing respect and courtesy and 'proper' meaning avoiding slangs and malas palabras. The reason I'm asking is because I heard from my Colombian friends and Spanish teachers (who aren't Colombians) say that learning Spanish from Colombia is the best. I think I may have also read something similar somewhere here in PBH! I'd like to know what your insight on this is.

Also, does anyone know the radio station in Bogota that airs announcements teaching its listeners how to speak Spanish correctly? I think these advertisements are funded by some institution that advocates and promotes Colombia's reputation for being the best Spanish-speaking country. I'd like to listen to it from here in Vancouver.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 16, 2007, 13:48:

Azul, "Iré" means "I'll go". "Fui" means "I went". "Voy a ir" is present continuos tense, a kind of future tense, translates into: "I'm going (to go)"

Cheers,
Desi

I agree, the girlfriend or the friend of the original poster is not a good speller. I hope that she isn't what we used to call "una chica de mala ortografía";)

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Azul says on Mar 16, 2007, 14:48:

Thanks Desi I got the present tense down, but that past and future stuff still screws me up....

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mecca says on Mar 16, 2007, 14:51:

Thanks Desi and Azul So, "I will go or I'll go" is ire (with the tilda). Is voy a ir really correct? or would it be more correct and easier to just say ire? Thank you both.

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southern151 says on Mar 16, 2007, 14:52:

What?...This is getting confusing! I thought "soy" meant "I am". Do both words have the same meaning?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 16, 2007, 15:06:

mecca, southern Yes, but "iré" is pretty formal Spanish and not so commonly used. ""Voy a (ir) is more common and preferably used in normal conversation.

"soy" vs "estoy" is usually a major problem for beginners. "Soy" is something permanent, "estoy" is temporary. An example: Soy un genio. I'm a genius. Estoy de mal humor. I'm in a bad mood.

Cheers,
Desi



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they are free." —Johann Wolfgang van Goethe

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mecca says on Mar 16, 2007, 15:11:

thanks Desi. N/T N/T

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jaramillo says on Mar 16, 2007, 18:03:

Colombian Spanish is good, generally speaking (ask Desi, she knows Colombia better than most of us). There is a lot of variability by area though. In Medellin we often make fun of certain peasant Spanish expressions that you hear in the paisa countryside. In fact, they are pure, albeit archaic, Castillian. I hear Costa Rica's is also not bad. The worst Spanish in South America is, without a doubt, Argentina's. Argentinized soccer commentators have introduced to Colombia dozens of bad uses. One of their favorites is to use "lucir" for negative aspects: "El America lucía cansado". Part of their bad language is tied to the last century Italian immigration.

In Spain, Castillian is now a threteaned species. During my year in Salamanca I heard many dear expressions that I thought Colombian, such as "a posta" (on purpose). But in Galicia, Baleares, and Catalonia many people simply refused to answer in "Spanish" (i.e. Castillian).

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