Track the Gripa Porcina in Colombia!

kenblanquito says on Apr 27, 2009, 17:04:

Well worth worrying about but it depends on how much information is released. It is possible that real figures may be suppressed by the authorities to prevent panic.
I will certainly try to avoid peak hour public transport, air-conditioned buildings and lifts in busy buildings but I think if you are going to totally avoid this flu, do not go anywhere and do not see anybody and live in a bubble.
Are there any vaccines here? Probably enough for the rich only and what are the poor going to do? The latter will be more susceptible to this illness due to bad diet, poor living conditions and lower resistance.

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Noelito40 says on Apr 27, 2009, 18:24:

One thing I think the Government should do is an educational video (especially for kids) on how to wash your hands properly, along the lines of http://www.ehow.com/video_12779_wash-hands.html

Noelito

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august says on Apr 27, 2009, 18:33:

Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good sign for Colombia that so many people in Mexico are dying from this, while there haven't been any deaths elsewhere (in wealthier countries). Yes, so not only is lower hygiene going to be a factor in lower income countries, but also like Ken's mentioning, the poorer are going to have lesser access to the right meds once they're sick. Boo to this.

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ferran says on Apr 27, 2009, 19:07:

If you add up how many people in the world have gotten stung by scorpions in the last week, it probably add up more than the people infected by an influenza strain, if you add up the cases world wide of swine flu it certainly would not be a pandemic, so there something else happening here, the word "pandemic" comes from the word PANIC, therefore the media most definite is panicking the masses into something, what can that be? a further blow to the world economic? an excuse to implement martial law? or to coherce the masses to get vaccinated. What ever the reasons maybe one thing is for sure it is not anymore a reahersel, the worlds governments and the military have given the green light to procceed into a new face, there is no conspiracy theory here as we can see its pretty real, just look at the facts and do your math, I recommend to watch this video on youtube before is banned, The Avian Flu Hoax, very realistic.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Apr 27, 2009, 19:18:

Holy smokes.. 4th thread on the swine flu? Maybe the mods can consolidate them?

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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Simon says on Apr 27, 2009, 19:27:

God save Colombia!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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august says on Apr 27, 2009, 19:36:

Hey man, this wasn't intended to be simply a post about the simple fact of the swine flu's existence, but a post about this tool to follow the swine flu. A subtle, but important difference I think.

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august says on Apr 27, 2009, 19:42:

For some reason the link above stopped working. This works though:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=1064847750...

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ujay says on Apr 28, 2009, 00:13:

Full-screen
COLOMBIA Bogota
Last Updated by niman 10 minutes ago
eight adults and one child came less than seven days in Mexico where the virus was detected and its arrival in Colombia showed symptoms of influenza or respiratory illness.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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lampltr says on Apr 28, 2009, 02:55:

vaccines....This is the latest from the U.S.
The strain of swine flu virus going around is anti-viral resistant. He explains that as a result, doctors are "up against the wall" in trying to treat patients stricken by it. Hear his important suggestions on steps to take to avoid catching it.
This was immediately going from human contact to human contact and from pork???? common.....

http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V3684500

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webmanco says on Apr 28, 2009, 05:30:

Ujay
eight adults, two mexicans.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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kenblanquito says on Apr 28, 2009, 07:55:

Oneforamillion

The idea of handwashing is that the infected person touches their nose/lips or sneezes or coughs into the hand.
Then, the person shakes another person's hand or touches like a handrail of a staircase.
Then, the victim who has the virus on their hands touches their face, thereby potentially introducing the virus to their respiratory tract.
Clever things, viruses and bacteria! That is why they never go away and survive forever and mutate over a period of time.

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mranderson says on Apr 28, 2009, 08:13:

And shaking hands is so common here in colombia but unfortunately washing them is not as common.

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2009, 08:16:

3rd world developing countries aren't the only ones with respect to poor handwashing technique, we have a bigtime problem right here in US hospitals with our Healthcare Practioners not washing their hands throughly or correctly. That's why we have have an explosive spread of the MRSA Bacteria here in the States(MRSA-hospital based strain). Not to forget, hope Colombia has a better informed Public Health system then our own US Public Health System in dealing with Swine Flu. If not, God help them,,,Don't forget, it was the US Public Health Service Heirarchy that ultimately OK'd the disasterous 1976 release of Swine Flu Vaccine when it fact some batches(vials)of it actually contained live virus product instead of inattenuated virus product. Take the precautions when in public by avoiding direct hand to hand contact with restroom doors, Grocery cart handles, ATM Pads, ect by placing a barrier(i.e. a napkin, cap ect) between your hand and the contaiminated(questionable) object. Carry a small bottle of hand santizer in your pocket and use it. They sell those little bottles for .49 in Walgreens, CVS ect so no excuse not to have a couple bottles around at all times.

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 28, 2009, 08:22:

miamimike says on Apr 28, 2009, 08:28:

CG--in our neighborhood publix Market, they recently started palcing canisters of disinfecting wipes right by the door where the grocery carts are stored. They are meant to wipe the handles down before you use it(the cart). Our local Channel 10 TV did a study a few weeks back on the kinds and amounts of Bacteria found on publicly used items like ATMs, Public phones, Library computer keyboards, Grocery carts--it was simply astounding the high counts of bacterial colonies found on these items people use daily. Actually its a wonder there aren't more cases of widespread sickness transmitted from these objects(fomites). With a little foresight, a lot of this sickness could be prevented, its not rocket science!

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 28, 2009, 08:33:

elchoco (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 28, 2009, 10:29:

goin_south says on Apr 28, 2009, 10:36:

while good hygiene is always a major factor and a big help in precautionary measures, most of the people on PBUH (Poor But UnHealthy) UNFORTUNATELY don't subscribe to the facts that there are a 100 things you can do to build a STRONGER IMMUNE SYSTEM, and decrease your chances of having to battle the flu.

When they say Only The Strong Survive,... it's not just the "inherently strong'' they are talking about, but also those who have taken regular measure to build better health ... will less likely be stricken by this (beast?).

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Simon says on Apr 28, 2009, 10:48:

Thanks CG, I'm gonna go get some Purell right now!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 28, 2009, 11:07:

sanandressi says on Apr 28, 2009, 11:18:

Is this not what we need to "decrease the surplus population?" Just a lttle sick humor mind you....I don't really mean that....I just had to say it.

Could be scary or something that will just kind of disappear. The good thing for us up north is that we are in Spring and heading into Summer which helps abate these things I have heard?

It will spread....airplanes.....

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lpdiver says on Apr 28, 2009, 11:33:

Ahhh but the cytokine storms make the swine flu more deadly the healthier you are!!!

Chit dat sounds like someting from fokin Startrek!

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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goin_south says on Apr 28, 2009, 11:38:

CG,.. it's too late!
Likely, by this time a week from now.... 75% of the PBH population
will be 'wiped out' by Swine Flu and your job as mod will be so much easier.

and, besides... my cpa is waiting for first Qrtr payroll numbers, before our relationship is goin_south.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Simon says on Apr 28, 2009, 11:48:

I hope the FARC gets the swine flu!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 28, 2009, 12:27:

Damn. I misread the title...i thought it read "Tracking the Gringa Porcina" jajajjaa

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Catfish35 says on Apr 28, 2009, 13:57:

Were all going to die!!!!!!!!!
God save the Pig!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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Catfish35 says on Apr 28, 2009, 13:59:

Fokken Mexican Pigs..!!! I knew it one day!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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whitewidow says on Apr 28, 2009, 18:58:

i wonder if chicharron is taking a big hit in colombia?

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 06:34:

IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT CATCHING THE SWINE FLU......
THEN................. You're watching too much freakin TV.
__________

Where's Gringoloid?
I'm certain I will agree with his Conspiracy Theory on this issue.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kenblanquito says on Apr 29, 2009, 11:23:

I am not totally convinced that the wipes that are referred to in this discussion would be effective against viruses. Probably good against bacterial infections caused by poor personal hygiene standards, eg E Coli and other entero bacteria. Remember, viruses are not living organisms and they reproduce in vivo by effectively using the metabolic processes of live cells, including ours. They cannot reproduce outside of a host organism. They are essentially genetic information, ie DNA (or sometimes RNA) that is protected by a protein coat, to put it simply.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 11:29:

miamimike says on Apr 29, 2009, 12:06:

CG--Alcohol has never been proven to be 100% "Germicidal/Bacteriacidal". Alcohol simply is an Astringent (drying) agent that decreases the bacteria's ability to surive as bacteria thrives in a moist enviroment, preferably a warm one. Alcohol, being a drying agent, removes one of the legs bacteria needs to surive in and reproduce in. That's why in Hospitals, workers wipe down bed frames, overbed tables, nighstands and equipment like IV Pumps/stands with a germicidal agent and not alcohol. Chlorox Bleach OTOH, has been shown to Germicidal to say, the HIV Virus,,,

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 12:56:

I understand that, but it can certainly be better than nothing. Like I mentioned in one of the other flu threads, I use the stuff in situations where proper hand washing is not practical, such as after using ATMs, gas pumps, etc.

This is a pretty good article that explains the benefits and limitations of alcohol based hand sanitizers.

http://microbiology.suite101.com/article.cfm/alcohol_based_hand_cleans...

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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Escape Artist says on Apr 29, 2009, 13:07:

The World Health Organization Raises Alert level to 5.

"All countries should activate their pandemic preparedness plan now"

"All of humanity under threat of pandemic"

"PANDEMIC IMMINENT"

EA

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kenblanquito says on Apr 29, 2009, 13:26:

I certainly would not trust alcohol as a virus deactivator but as ColomboGringo says, better than nothing and effective for bacteria when other things or facilities not readily available. I will look at that website that you have posted-thanks for that.
Escape Artist, if that news update is true, things are not looking good. Things are progressing rapidly and let us hope that anybody who thinks that they may have contracted it stays put and seeks appropriate advice as soon as possible.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Apr 29, 2009, 13:48:

My office is sandwiched between a Risk Management dude and a Corporate Travel dudette.

All day, they've been shuttling back and forth making plans. The latest I heard was that we're sending 135,000 N95 respirators (basically a surgical mask, but better) to Northern Mexico plus an unknown quantity of Purell. I guess those things are hard to source in the maquiladora areas where we have a factory. Those quantities sound big to me and I don't even work for that large of a company.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 14:15:

goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 14:23:

""alcohol solutions do kill certain types of viruses including herpes, hiv, and at least certain strains of influenza"""

By my experience, this has always worked well for me:



I do plan to acquire a bottle for the weekend, ...
JUST TO WARD OFF THE EVIL SPIRITS OF THE DREADED SWINE FLU :-)))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 14:53:

Here, CG... it's an old book ... 1993... and there are some other pertinent recommendations that have arrived since, but this is a damn good primer.

http://books.google.com/books?id=wAgIeUqdcccC&dq=Beyond+Antibiotics,+b...

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Ken says on Apr 29, 2009, 15:42:

People , Grab some common sense. How many people have died in the world in the same period due to Malaria? This thing is being blown way out of porportion. Don't you have anything else to do?

"Well worth worrying about but it depends on how much information is released. It is possible that real figures may be suppressed by the authorities to prevent panic."

Hardly. The Media is blowing it out of proportion in order to sell newspapers and attract TV viewers., because people are getting tired of hearing about the "Finiancial Crisis" over and over, and they need something else to scare and enertain them.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 15:45:

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 15:45:

kenblanquito says on Apr 29, 2009, 15:48:

Darloup
The principle of hand hygiene is important in such infections because it can be an indirect source of the virus, rather than a direct one like inhaling an aerosol containing the beasts.
Visualize a situation of a person carrying the virus, with or without obvious symptoms, coughing or sneezing into their hand.
Then the person either shakes hands with another or touches a surface which will be subsequently touched by others. For example a hand-rail, cash point machine or supermarket trolley.
Then the next person to touch said surface may touch his face or mouth quite innocently. Bingo, if there are enough virus particles present to initiate an infection and the recipient has little or no resistance to this strain of virus, the chances are he too will become infected.
Rather than swabbing everything in sight, it would probably be better to just use the disinfectant on the hands after contact with "foreign" surfaces and to avoid touching the face at all times. However, these precautions will not prevent infections by people who persist in going to work, visiting public closed spaces and using public transport when they have flu-like symptoms. I would guess that the problem in some ways will be less in Colombia than in many countries in Europe for example because the climate is such that there is less need for public spaces to be closed to retain the heat. That said, one carrier probably has the potential of infecting hundreds of people every day when leading a normal life. With an incubation period of say 7 days, that could mean one person could directly or indirectly infect many hundreds of thousands of people who will show symptoms within 2 weeks. Frightening!

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 29, 2009, 16:02:

goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 17:46:

Masks??????

jjeje... I'm sure they'll have some interesting looking masks, down here in So. La.
It'll be Mardi Gras all over again in May.
They'll likely even put together a Swine Flu Parade/Festival :-))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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august says on Apr 29, 2009, 19:02:

Johnny, are you saying the lower estrato folks are more likely to wear them? I would have thought it'd be the opposite, that the wealthier people would be more likely to wear them.

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BillBigD says on Apr 29, 2009, 20:39:

All school has been canceled until May 8th in Ft. Worth Tx. All high school sports have been canceled in Texas until May 11th

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goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 21:51:

Have you seen the new Mexican peso bills?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Apr 29, 2009, 21:52:

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 05:37:

I do not understaand why people in Colombia call the swine flu "Gripa." This is ignorance on display. Gripa is a cold, it has nothing to do with the flu. Symptoms are different and so is the treatment. Also, different drugs are used to treat the disease. A disservice is being displayed when supposedly intelligent people along with ill informed media continue to call the flu "Grip." The correct term is influenza. I have heard this on some news programs although not very many.

...and so it goes

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Apr 30, 2009, 06:14:

Uncle Sam calls it the same thing but spells it with an 'e'

http://espanol.pandemicflu.gov/pandemicflu/enes/24/_www_pandemicflu_go...

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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webmanco says on Apr 30, 2009, 07:14:

http://infogripeporcina.blogspot.com/

Influencia.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 08:35:

I have never heard a cold called anything but the Gripa.

...and so it goes

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 08:49:

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 08:51:

Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 09:02:

webmanco says on Apr 30, 2009, 09:03:

De gripa paso a Peste

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 09:45:

Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 12:05:

well, contrary to what you all think, it is a problem. just becasue it is not at your doorstepp makes no diff. Also, I just came back from the local farmacia and told them I have a cold....they gave me medicine for Gripa. I then asked for flu medicine and he told me to use the same thing which is worng. Once again, the cold and flu are completely different and if you think that you can treat a cold with flu meds go ahead, but let us know where to send flowers.

Sarcasim is an excuse to act foolish and duh! I was just rying to be funny, duh!

...and so it goes

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Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 12:38:

In Colombia there are 42 suspected cases of swine flu. Even if half of it is true it is bad enough. Of course, in another thread a commenter mentions how many children die each day from hunger, aids, diarrhea and other diseases. It's in the thousands each day. Makes all of this flu stuff sound pretty lame to me.

...and so it goes

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Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 12:46:

Here are the numbers that Colombiano_81 posted

16,000 kids die everyday of hunger

6,000 die of aids a day

8,000 of malaria a day

8 have died of this pig flu in a couple weeks

Just saw it in some venezuelan newspaper ad.

I mean holy shit why dont they give the real world alerts priority??

...and so it goes

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 13:18:

Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 14:59:

No, I don't think that is the point Colombiano was trying to make. I think he meant and I feel that I agree with him that disease or illness like swine flu becomes politically expedient. When you look at those who die from hunger, malaria, or aids ask how this has been going on; answer for as long as we all can remember. Where are these poor children; Africa who does little to help themselves because they either don't care, don't want to or they are truly ignorant. For example, it is a fact that in South Africa, one of the government leaders made a comment one time that if you have sex with a virgin you will be immunized against aids. Then you have the political football in Zimbabwe where they use hunger as a way to get money that never goes to food but to some politician’s pockets.

The swine flu thing, I think goes way way back to the times of the plague when a third of the population of Europe was killed because of a disease that could have been prevented by washing hands and not drinking out of the same drinking cup. I think these scares come out of Europe because they have had their share of pandemics.

Maybe I am wrong on this, it would be fun to hear more discussion if it is possible to stay on topic for a complete day or two.

...and so it goes

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 16:03:

Rikito says on Apr 30, 2009, 16:25:

Geezz, I never said this came from Europe. It came from Obama’s new dog. I was using Europe as an example because of the pandemics they have had it wiped out entire cities or communities. And South America how do you think all of the Native Americans die? It wasn't through wars with the Spanish. It was through diseases that they brought with them. Also, some really bad chorizos.

...and so it goes

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goin_south says on Apr 30, 2009, 16:43:

How many PBHsters have been lost so far?

There's so many that have not been seen the past few days.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 16:48:

pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 16:57:

Rikito, as usual, misses the point completely.

They don't know if this could be a repeat of 1976 (when not many died), or 1918 (when maybe 50 million people died).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

Governments have an iron clad duty to put strategies and remedies in place, as well as keep the public informed.

The fact that certain mass media relentlessly hypes the story without giving a good context is not really the government's doing. Proper information exists if you care to find it. It's just that many in the general public prefer "infotainment" and hearsay.

"this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow

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goin_south says on Apr 30, 2009, 17:04:

YEAH, so..... likely still in Colombia, Miami, and Detroit,
your chances of being mugged/murdered are greater than dying from any flu.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Apr 30, 2009, 22:35:

I hear the typical dentist masks don't work. I may invest in full body armor for my next trip in the nasty cabin air of my next flight goin south. uh oh.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Apr 30, 2009, 22:50:

jajaj.. you think they'll let us aboard the plane carrrying oxygen tank attached to an air-tight enclosed helmet? jaj

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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christobeldawg says on Apr 30, 2009, 22:58:

well that's my plan. we'll see how it plans out.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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quantum says on May 1, 2009, 06:23:

maybe the narcos will start selling seats on the returning drug boats........fresh air, balmy weather, virus free........

quantum

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Rikito says on May 1, 2009, 06:37:

pedro...is all you do is criticize people who offer an opinion? Your comments are completley off the mark and shows how much you lack. They are no better than mine. My comment was an admited opinion and probably not far off and so was yours no better and certainly no worse. And your only source of intelligence comes from wiki...oh goodie that supports everything. Breath

...and so it goes

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pablo says on May 1, 2009, 06:58:

If someone is in a tizzy about this swine flu "pandemic" it might well be worth reading:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Fl...

ʇı dןǝɥ ʇou ןןıʍ sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ɹnoʎ ƃuıpןoɥ

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lpdiver says on May 1, 2009, 09:44:

SIGH,

People we have been there and done this before. It happened in 1976. One man died from the swine flu. HUNDREDS died from the vaccine. I'll chance my odds with the piggies.

Here is a link for those interested. Note about a third of the way down the reference to one death from the flu and hundreds from the "cure".

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. " Jim Jones on a sign in his compound in Guyana.


http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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pablo says on May 1, 2009, 10:21:

lpdiver,

Good comments. You might like reading this link: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/msg/946e50bee...

ʇı dןǝɥ ʇou ןןıʍ sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ɹnoʎ ƃuıpןoɥ

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poco says on May 1, 2009, 12:05:

Humm, another death in a rural area, age 22.

Ha,, I'm safe,, it's only killing folks under,, what? 30? actually looks like the average age is 16?

Still,, what are the chances of dying of flu,, or on a moto?



BTW: Despite what might have heard,, or lets say,, what you BELIEVED you heard,, there is no vaccine. Get well or die.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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poco says on May 1, 2009, 12:40:

Quote: people alive at that time may have been exposed and have acquired some immunity to todays flu
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Ha,, now that sounds reasonable,, just another reason why being old and living in Texas with millions of Mexicans has another up side. Immune,, no question,, worst case scenario,, sniffle.

I think congress needs to pass a law that DYING of flu is punishable by fines, imprisonment, and yes,, even torture,, maybe not torture,, just death, oh,, maybe not,, you're DEAD,, hummm,, maybe just getting the flu?

Flash !!! a new study verifies Texans have nothing to worry about.

The Texas immunity virus,, eating the swine flu virus.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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Che Guevara says on May 1, 2009, 13:00:

I talked to some one at a pharmacy who said that the Gov has thousands of Vacs waiting for when they are nessesary. But you got to get the flu first. This regulation will prevent the rich from getting it all and stop the mass sell out like what happened in the states.

peace.

ps. How long does it last? And does anyone know if certain people are not vonerable to the flu? Like I have not been sick for even a day for the past 7 years. I wonder......

Join the revolution

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Che Guevara says on May 1, 2009, 13:21:

Yes indeed.

I meant Tamiflu. (sorry)

Join the revolution

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poco says on May 1, 2009, 13:45:

Quote: Those are not vaccinations. Vaccinations do not exist
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What !!! No magic potion ? What is the good in having if dicked (rich?) if you CAN NOT buy a ticket to life? This sucks,, next you know,, only rich folks will get heart transplants,, or kidney transplants,, or,, heaven forbid,, penile implants !!!

Oh,, the horror..

OH,, wait,, isn't that what I said,, get the flu,, then you either get well or die. I think rich folks die under nicer circumstances ?

I mean,, why go lie on a sidewalk and die,, no class.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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poco says on May 1, 2009, 14:26:

This looks bad,, Hell,, I'd would NOT fly to Colombia if I was either YOUNG or NOT FROM TEXAS.

Imagine,, sitting next to someone with sniffles and a cough. Huggggggggg


OH,, take a subway to catch a flight,, Ha,,, sure death.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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romy says on May 1, 2009, 17:55:

Interesting news... absolutely it does make public health sense, though relatively/rationally I think it's an overreaction

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/114/mexico/2009/05/01/1239635/colombia-...
Colombia Slams Door On Mexican Clubs
After CONMEBOL and the Mexican Football Federation had aranged for Chivas and San Luis to play Copa Libertadores in Bogota; the Colombian government said no.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 1, 2009, 18:15:

Great Minds Think Alike, Aaron21?

Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 28, 2009, 12:27: flag

Damn. I misread the title...i thought it read "Tracking the Gringa Porcina" jajajjaa

Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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jajajjaja/./

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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poco says on May 1, 2009, 19:04:

Quote: Interesting news... absolutely it does make public health sense, though relatively/rationally I think it's an overreaction
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Overreaction,, overreaction,, that's the Vice President of the United States, the anointed one,, overreaction,, Ha,, go ahead fly and the VP practically guarantees a problem,, I mean he won't let his family fly,, but wait,, go ahead,, I'm sure you're not more important then the VP's family and he can probably give a shit about other folks anyway,, I wonder why he bothered to warn folks of their impending death ?

Unless,, maybe they won't stay dead,, imagine a plane full of zombies.

Colombia, Colombia, Colombia

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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webmanco says on May 2, 2009, 09:59:

Autoridades sanitarias boyacenses sospechan de posible contagiado con nuevo virus de gripa

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/boyaca/autoridades-sanitarias-boyacen...

Entre 1918 y 1919, una pandemia de gripa azotó el departamento

Según el periódico La Linterna de Tunja, del 23 de octubre de 1918, una pandemia de gripa afectaba en ese momento a cerca de cuatro mil habitantes de la ciudad, que contaba con 10.680 habitantes.

"En menos de diez días, más de las dos quintas partes de la población ha sido atacada", decía el periódico.

Según un estudio de la Uptc, la pandemia se inició a comienzos de octubre en Bogotá y rápidamente se extendió al departamento de Boyacá, a través de la Carretera Central del Norte.

Durante el período crítico, comprendido entre octubre de 1918 y enero de 1919, la tasa específica de mortalidad por gripa, en la muestra estudiada, alcanzó a ser de 4,8 por mil habitantes.

"Se calcula que la epidemia ocasionó aproximadamente 2.800 defunciones durante este lapso", señala el estudio.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 10:28:

UPDATE. Looks if Barranquilla is at risk...

Barranquilla es una de las ciudades que más personas sospechosas de contagio con gripe porcina ha registrado en Colombia. Ascienden a 23 los casos detectados, 5 de los cuales han sido descartados.

Los 18 aún sospechosos hacen parte de los 29 que, en todo el país, esperan los resultados de las pruebas del Centro de Diagnóstico de Atlánta, Estados Unidos.

El Ministerio de Protección Social informó anoche que ha registrado 64 personas en todo el país con sintomatologías similares a las provocadas por el mortal virus, conocido ahora como ‘A H1N1’. A 35 de estos ya se les descartó la presencia de la enfermedad.

Entre los pacientes que se teme están infectados en la ciudad con la influenza porcina hay 4 que tuvieron que ser hospitalizados, informó ayer la Secretaría de Salud Distrital.

Los otros 14 permanecen bajo observación médica en sus casas. Todos han dado señales de mejoría, como la reducción de la fiebre, según el secretario de Salud Luis Moscoso.

¿Porqué tantos?. El funcionario explica que el alto reporte de casos en Barranquilla responde a 2 situaciones.

Sus habitantes permanecen expuestos a la influenza estacionaria, o gripa común. Tanto, que una de sus complicaciones es la cuarta causa de mortalidad en la ciudad. A esto se suma la búsqueda minuciosa que han realizado las autoridades en aerolíneas y hoteles, que les ha permitido identificar a 611 personas que en los últimos 10 días han estado en México o Estados Unidos, focos de contagio.

Entre ellos han detectado algunos con síntomas de gripa, que han sido los clasificados como sospechosos.

No se descuide. La Secretaría de Salud Distrital lanzó una campaña de prevención ante la llegada del virus a Barranquilla, la cual consideran inminente e inevitable.

“Evitar el contagio”, es el primer mensaje de la campaña. Señala la importancia de no relacionarse con personas con gripa sin protección, como tapabocas; de lavarse las manos frecuentemente con antivirales; de no dar la mano ni besar al saludar, y de portar tapabocas si va a acudir a sitios de afluencia masiva de personas.

“Si hace todo esto, probablemente no se va a infectar”, precisa Moscoso.

Quedarse en casa ante la presencia de síntomas, es la segunda conducta promovida por las autoridades. Recomiendan mantener el hogar y los muebles airados y aseados permanentemente, y usar tapabocas siempre que vaya a salir a la calle.

La tercera recomendación es hidratarse bien, tomar acetaminofen, y si la fiebre alta no muestra señales de ceder, notificar a las autoridades.

Recomendación

Buen uso de tapabocas

La Alcaldía advirtió que los tapabocas podrían generar más infecciones, si son mal usados. Todos los que se consiguen en el mercado disminuyen el riesgo de contagio, pero una mascarilla solo debe utilizarse un día, y desecharse por la acumulación de bacterias. Debe estar ajustado a la nariz. Si se lo quita por un momento, guárdelo en una bolsa de plástico y no lo deje en cualquier parte.



BTW, is it "gripe" or "gripa"? Even "El Heraldo" doesn't appear to know...

Source: http://www.elheraldo.com.co/ELHERALDO/BancoConocimiento/X/x0aumentan_l...

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 10:32:

More update on a worldwide basis:

Los casos confirmados y los sospechosos de gripe porcina en el mundo -10:00 a.m.

La gripe porcina, que causó al menos 16 muertos en México de un total de 443 casos confirmados y un muerto en Estados Unidos, se ha propagado a 17 países, nueve de ellos europeos, cuatro americanos y dos asiáticos.

Estos son los casos confirmados y los sospechosos desde el 24 de abril:

CASOS CONFIRMADOS:

MÉXICO: el balance de la gripe porcina en México, epicentro de la epidemia, es 16 muertos y 443 enfermos confirmados.


ESTADOS UNIDOS: un bebé mexicano de 23 meses murió de gripe porcina en Texas, única muerte confirmada en Estados Unidos. El número de casos es de 143 en 20 Estados, los más afectados son Nueva York (50 casos), Texas (28) y California (13).

CANADÁ: 55 casos confirmados, todos con síntomas leves, siendo el tercer país en cuanto a cantidad de enfermos.

COSTA RICA: 2 casos confirmados, los primeros de Centroamérica.

ESPAÑA: 13 casos confirmados y 108 personas en observación, según el Ministerio de Sanidad.

GRAN BRETAÑA: 13 casos confirmados, incluyendo dos casos de gripe porcina contraída en Gran Bretaña y no en un viaje a México.

ALEMANIA: 5 casos confirmados, incluido el de una enfermera que no viajó a México. Se trata del primer caso de contagio dentro del país.

NUEVA ZELANDA: 4 casos confirmados y 116 sospechosos.

FRANCIA: dos casos confirmados, hospitalizados al regreso de un viaje a México. Cuarenta y un casos sospechosos.

ISRAEL: 3 casos han sido confirmados, los primeros en Medio Oriente, en dos hombres que viajaron recientemente a México.

ITALIA: 1 caso confirmado.

AUSTRIA: 1 caso, una mujer de 28 años que volvió de Guatemala haciendo escala en México.

DINAMARCA: 1 caso confirmado el viernes, se trata de una danesa que volvió el miércoles de Nueva York.

HOLANDA: 1 caso confirmado el jueves en un niño de tres años que viajó recientemente a México.

SUIZA: 1 caso confirmado y 26 sospechosos.

CHINA: 1 caso confirmado en Hong Kong. Se trata de un mexicano, que llegó el jueves vía Shanghai.


CASOS SOSPECHOSOS:

COLOMBIA: las autoridades sanitarias mantienen bajo vigilancia a 59 personas, 10 de ellas de forma más especial.

ARGENTINA: 13 casos sospechosos

VENEZUELA: 9 casos sospechosos están siendo examinados.

PERÚ: 9 casos sospechosos.

BRASIL: 7 personas sospechosas de estar enfermas, 41 en observación.

CHILE: 16 casos sospechosos.

BÉLGICA: 24 casos sospechosos.

SUECIA: 5 personas están siendo examinadas.

IRLANDA: un primer caso ‘probable’ de gripe porcina en un hombre de vuelta de viaje a México, sobre tres casos sospechosos, a la espera de los resultados.

PORTUGAL: 1 caso sospechoso.

AUSTRALIA: 114 personas están siendo examinadas.

SUDÁFRICA: dos casos sospechosos.

INDIA: dos casos sospechosos.

BENIN: 1 un caso sospechoso, una mujer europea que había estado en México en abril.

Fuente: http://www.elheraldo.com.co/ELHERALDO/BancoConocimiento/Y/ysagripebala...

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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Catfish35 says on May 2, 2009, 13:11:

This post is ridiculous! And PBH should be ashamed for feeding into this stupid frenzy and hysteria!
As of today slightly more than 600 people have been infected and even that number is suspect!
Less then 200 people have died from it and ALL of them have been in Mexico.

More people died in the first 4 hours of the day crossing the streets in the world than this stupid thing.
Take this stupid ass thing down!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 13:29:

Ken says on May 2, 2009, 13:45:

This aint 1916 . How many French Man died at SOMME, Pasgnrndale? Hpw many Yanks in Iraq? Come On. This is already dieing out. The headlines now read "WHO says swine flue STILL has a chance of becoming pandemic?,I bet in a week you'll be lucky if you see it on the back pages.

I can't believe people who have balls enough to travel in Colombia fall for this over-reacting hysteria, like the rest of the ignorant masses. But then, everyone has their own over-reactionary phobias. I am scared of spiders, but at least I can rationalize it.

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Ken says on May 2, 2009, 13:47:

Excuse the typos above (Beat you to it)

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Monpirri says on May 2, 2009, 14:36:

I agree 2009 times with Darloup about the above statement!

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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goin_south says on May 2, 2009, 14:55:

monpirri,
.....I agree 2010 times with Ken.
In another week, it will be something else.
You won't hear about swine flu.
They are already, as ken says, talking in media headlines IN PAST TENSE.
Besides... Darloup even thinks Colombia is a gastronomcial paradise. lol

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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lpdiver says on May 2, 2009, 15:42:

Like I stated in my post more people died from the innoculation against swine flu than the flu in the last "pandemic". Darloup wanna step to the front of the line for your injection against infection?

I didn't think so.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 15:44:

goin_south says on May 2, 2009, 15:45:

Mi Acompanera siempre le hace mejor!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 16:20:

sloopskipper says on May 2, 2009, 16:53:

Ken says on May 2, 2009, 13:45 (today): flag

"This aint 1916 . How many French Man died at SOMME, Pasgnrndale? Hpw many Yanks in Iraq? Come On. This is already dieing out. The headlines now read "WHO says swine flue STILL has a chance of becoming pandemic?,I bet in a week you'll be lucky if you see it on the back pages.

I can't believe people who have balls enough to travel in Colombia fall for this over-reacting hysteria, like the rest of the ignorant masses. But then, everyone has their own over-reactionary phobias. I am scared of spiders, but at least I can rationalize it."

The theory has been expressed that it may well subside, only to reappear as a larger threat in the fall.

As unfortunate the military losses are in Iraq, those people volunteered to be there, and they are not women, old people, and children.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 17:21:

lpdiver says on May 2, 2009, 17:29:

Have you been proactive and immunized yourself and wife yet Dar? Hmmm?

I didn't think so.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 17:42:

lpdiver says on May 2, 2009, 17:48:

It's a simple yes or no question amigo. Do you act on your words or not?

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 17:54:

goin_south says on May 2, 2009, 18:03:

well... having just returned from the grocery store, I decided to be PRO-ACTIVE:
.............. bought some pork chops to cook up tonight... get me a lil .....i n o c u l a c c i o n e :-)))
.. of course, with un poco marinero llerri's .. .jaj
__________

I "can't edit this comment anymore"? lol wtf is that all about?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 18:06:

Monpirri says on May 2, 2009, 18:25:

Goin_south, what's up, it's been a long time since you and I don't meet here at this ward.
Hey GS do me a favor, don't mess with Darloup or I cut your legs, LOL

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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goin_south says on May 2, 2009, 20:52:

monpirrito.... you should meet up in Houston for the Bikini contesta... always muchas latinas!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Monpirri says on May 3, 2009, 05:05:

I'll be there I just can't find a nice bikini that would fit me.

"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup

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webmanco says on May 3, 2009, 06:55:

Colombia country number 18 in the world to acquire a positive swine flu. The person is in Zipaquira and came from Mexico about 15 days ago.

México: 506 casos, 19 muertes.
Estados Unidos: 160 casos, una muerte.
Canadá: 70 casos.
Reino Unido: 15 casos.
España: 13 casos.
Alemania: 6 casos.
Nueva Zelanda: 4 casos.
Israel: 3 casos.
Francia: 2 casos.
Irlanda: un caso
Costa Rica: un caso.
Austria: un caso.
Hong Kong: un caso.
Dinamarca: un caso.
Holanda: un caso.
Corea el Sur: un caso.
Suiza: un caso.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 3, 2009, 10:15:

Here is the link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090503/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_colombia_swin...

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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goin_south says on May 3, 2009, 11:15:

monpirrito: I'll be there I just can't find a nice bikini that would fit me.
don't worry.... I'll bring an extra one.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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durito2 says on May 3, 2009, 15:36:

"AND WE DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS!!!"

It really pisses me off that they get fox on cable down here. No wonder people think so lowly of gringos.

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durito2 says on May 3, 2009, 18:12:

I doubt any, it was a joke.

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hopper565 says on May 3, 2009, 21:25:

So I fly out tomorrow, and the thing is, I'm sick. I have a mild head cold, where the only symptoms are some tiredness and a very runny nose. It's definitely on the downswing, as it's four days old with no other symptoms and I am getting better.

Now I'm about to get screened by countless airport personnel who will assume I've got the swine flu and possibly throw me into quarantine. It's going to be an inauspicious start to my vacation as I attempt to sneak through the airport like some kind of drug smuggler.

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goin_south says on May 3, 2009, 22:29:

hopper.... I doubt it.
control yourself.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Buongone says on May 4, 2009, 23:51:

As stated on a thread before. I got Innoculated back in 76. Got sick as shit for 11 days. I will not ever take a vaccine for the swine flu again. Period.

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quantum says on May 5, 2009, 07:49:

Swine Flu A Hoax, But Martial Law All Too Real

As officials all but guarantee deadlier form of H1N1 will return later this year, draconian response measures have been established with the aid of deceptive scaremongering and hype



Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, May 4, 2009

The H1N1 virus itself has claimed less lives than a normal flu outbreak would be expected to kill, but the architecture of martial law in the form of draconian measures readied to combat a pandemic has been firmly locked into place.

Health authorities are now toning down their apocalyptic predictions of a swine flu pandemic, after the virus proved to be milder than originally feared, but officials are warning that a deadlier form of the illness could return in autumn or winter.

The gargantuan fearmongering engaged in by western governments, despite the virus killing just one 23-month-old toddler in the U.S., has set the standard for what we can expect to see when the next outbreak occurs, which officials are already proclaiming will be later this year.

“With pandemics you get two phases. A first that is often very mild and then a much more serious one in the autumn and winter,” said UK Health Secretary Alan Johnson, “So we have to not just deal with this outbreak now, but prepare, perhaps, for a second phase.”

We know now what that preparation will entail - the creation of a vaccine to combat swine flu which, if recent history is to go by, will be more dangerous than the virus itself. Naturally, the vaccine will be voluntary to begin with but once another pandemic is unleashed and the fearmongering kicks into warp drive once again, calls for mandatory vaccination will reach a crescendo, and the media are already preparing American to accept that premise.

(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)



In addition, the Department of Homeland Security has established an outline of how BATF, FBI, and U.S. Marshals will be called upon to impose mandatory quarantines in the event of a widespread swine flu outbreak in the U.S. Under executive order 13375, if citizens attempt to free themselves from “involuntary isolation” they will be subject to a $250,000 fine and one year in jail.

Saturation media coverage of the H1N1 scare has acclimatized people to seeing images of armed soldiers on the streets giving orders and working with the police. Endless images of troops handing out face masks to citizens in Mexico City has entrenched the notion in the minds of the population that troops are there to “help” in times of crisis.

We also learn that, “Regional governments can invoke “draconian” powers if the swine flu virus reaches a worst-case scenario, from monitoring people in their own homes to seizing control of entire economies,” according to an AFP report.

The Australian government’s plan “allows for “extraordinary measures” including the power to manage the supply of goods and services, giving it effective control over the economy,” states the article.

The swine flu virus has proven less deadly than the common cold in Britain and the U.S., yet the media is still awash with stories about school closures, cancelled events and every little detail about each individual case. Why is this still even in the news? Would it normally be a major national news story if you got the sniffles? The swine flu hoax has been a perfect beta-test for how the media will hype doomsday scenarios when the next pandemic occurs.

Governments could not have established such draconian response plans without the aid of media scaremongering, and now that these measures have been set in stone, we can only wait for them to be fully enacted the next time a deadlier outbreak occurs, as officials are so enthusiastic to promise.


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96 Responses to “Swine Flu A Hoax, But Martial Law All Too Real”
Dan Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:28 am
America’s piggies (in both the Orwellian and literal sense) are coming home to roost…

Reply


asdf Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:42 am

Both the ’swine flu’ HA and NS1 proteins appear to be de novo recombinants

Alexander S Jones
Sunday May 3rd, 2009 5:45PM EST

BLAST sequence homology of ’swine flu’ indicates both the Hemaglutinin
(HA) surface protein as well as the Non-structural (NS1) interferon
inhibition protein are _novel recombinants_ previously unidentified in
nature.

Both these influenza proteins, based on the genetic sequences released
Friday May 1st by the U.S. Centers of Disease Control (CDC), share
their closest genetic identity with turkey (avian) and pig (swine)
strains from multiple continents including North America as well as
Asia. Even the closest matches indicate 5% previously unidentified
genetic material.

I submit this evidence, coupled with the lack of the presence of this
virus at the pig farm near the proposed CDC’s “patient zero” (a 5 year
old from La Gloria, 80km away from the pig farm in Perote, Mexico),
shows that the origin of the flu outbreak remains unidentified at this
time, and cannot be ascribed to Mexican or North American swine.

Furthermore, I submit that since 5% of both these influenza A RNA
sequences share no known homology in any public databases (in addition
to the avian/swine hybrid nature of both these critical genes), that
we must seriously consider a laboratory origin for this virus.

Future research that may be promising includes identifying critical
SNPs, especially in the PB2 and the NS1 coding regions which may be
markers for evolution of pathogen virulence, and should be closely
monitored. The hemaglutinin protein should also be monitored for
acquisition of a poly-basic amino acid site which would give the virus
pantrophic properties as in the 1918 pandemic.

Lastly, the authorities must immediately release all sequences
collected from Mexico City, or else throw further doubt on their
increasingly suspicious activities.

Sources:

Exclusive: Interview with Head of Mexico’s Top Swine Flu Lab
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.o.....501/1?etoc

Influenza A virus (A/Texas/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/FJ981612

Influenza A virus (A/Texas/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 8 nuclear export
protein (NEP) and nonstructural protein 1 (NS1) genes, complete cds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/FJ981620

==============================================

HA (”hemaglutinin”) protein BLAST sequence homology
Accession
Description
Max score
Total score
Query coverage
E value
Max ident
Links

FJ981615.1
Influenza A virus (A/Texas/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
3142 3142 100% 0.0 100%

FJ981612.1
Influenza A virus (A/Texas/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
3142 3142 100% 0.0 100%

FJ966982.1
Influenza A virus (A/Texas/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
3142 3142 100% 0.0 100%

FJ966959.1
Influenza A virus (A/Texas/05/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
3142 3142 100% 0.0 100%

CY039527.1
Influenza A virus (A/Netherlands/602/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 sequence
3125 3125 99% 0.0 99%

FJ969511.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/10/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3125 3125 100% 0.0 99%

FJ966952.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/05/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3125 3125 100% 0.0 99%

FJ969509.1
Influenza A virus (A/New York/19/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3120 3120 100% 0.0 99%

FJ966960.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/06/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3120 3120 100% 0.0 99%

FJ981613.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/07/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3114 3114 100% 0.0 99%

FJ971076.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/08/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3114 3114 100% 0.0 99%

FJ966974.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/07/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3114 3114 100% 0.0 99%

FJ966082.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/04/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3109 3109 100% 0.0 99%

FJ969540.1
Influenza A virus (A/California/07/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
3107 3107 100% 0.0 99%

FJ973557.1
Influenza A virus (A/Auckland/1/2009(H1N1)) segment 4 hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, partial cds
2894 2894 92% 0.0 99%

AF455680.1
Influenza A virus (A/Swine/Indiana/P12439/00 (H1N2)) hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
2710 2710 100% 0.0 95%

AF250124.1
Influenza A virus (A/Swine/Indiana/9K035/99 (H1N2)) segment 4
hemagglutinin (HA) gene, complete cds
2699 2699 100% 0.0 95%

AY038014.1
Influenza A virus (A/Turkey/MO/24093/99(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (H1)
gene, complete cds
2682 2682 100% 0.0 95%

EU139828.1
Influenza A virus (A/swine/Minnesota/1192/2001(H1N2)) hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
2676 2676 100% 0.0 95%

EF556201.1
Influenza A virus (A/swine/Guangxi/17/2005(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
2665 2665 100% 0.0 94%

AF455675.1
Influenza A virus (A/Swine/Ohio/891/01(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA) gene,
complete cds
2660 2660 100% 0.0 94%

FJ974021.1
Influenza A virus (A/Regensburg/Germany/01/2009(H1N1)) segment 4
hemagglutinin (HA) gene, partial cds
2656 2656 84% 0.0 99%

AY060047.1
Influenza A virus (A/SW/MN/23124-T/01(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA) gene,
complete cds
2654 2654 100% 0.0 94%

AY060050.1
Influenza A virus (A/SW/MN/16419/01(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA) gene, complete cds
2643 2643 100% 0.0 94%

AY060048.1
Influenza A virus (A/SW/MN/23124-S/01(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA) gene,
complete cds
2643 2643 100% 0.0 94%

AF455681.1
Influenza A virus (A/Swine/Illinois/100085A/01 (H1N2)) hemagglutinin
(HA) gene, complete cds
2638 2638 100% 0.0 94%

EF556199.1
Influenza A virus (A/swine/Guangxi/13/2006(H1N2)) hemagglutinin (HA)
gene, complete cds
2621 2621 100% 0.0 94%

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Magick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:04 am

“we must seriously consider a laboratory origin for this virus.”

Agreed. Thank you for the information.

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cb Reply:

May 5th, 2009 at 12:45 am

Thanks, i dont know what all this data means, but ive made a copy of it anyway. I’m sending out heaps of info to doctors etc. People should do the same everywhere

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Carlos1 Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

YOUTUBE HAS REMOVED ALEX JOHNES CHANNEL!

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Paula Revere Reply:

May 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am

no they haven’t ..i was JUST there……….8:34 EST AM May5

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J Reply:

May 5th, 2009 at 6:00 am

Youtube has suspended the Alex Jones Channel. At 8:58 EST AM on May 5

Greg Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Jones u full of shit! U was hypin shit up 2 & scaremongering.

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sporidium Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:23 am

Well, he has overstated things from time to time in the past but on this occasion he has been very, very circumspect, to his credit. So you are way out of line.

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Colorado Patriot Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Well either way voluntary or forced no one in my family is getting any vaccines of any kind and anybody who tries to force such a thing on anyone in my family will be killed.

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bonepeeler Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am

Yea, thats reasonable.

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Thebes Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am

Yeah, actually it is.

A lot of us believe that the “vaccine” will be used as a method to spread further disease to cause mass targeted deaths.

If I had a choice in the matter I would probably decide not to take the shot, even if I were certain that mine was the same as everyone else’s. But so long as I have a choice I will remain peaceable.

No choice, then I will choose instead to die with a rifle in my hands. After everything I’ve seen during the past who knows how many years that our corrupt and evil government can do… there is no way I will let them force their poison into my veins.

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Oscar Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Why would they try to use a vacinne to kill anybody?
While I do agree that there is somthing strange going on with this flu “outbreak”, it seems very unreasonable and unlikely that the vacinne will be the true culprit. The government still needs people to push buttons and file paperwork. Besides try to think of the resources needed to make sure only “targeted” induviduals are taken out with a vaccine that will no doubt be in high demand because of the scare tactics in the media.

-Never wholeheartedly trust either side. Be your own person and remain skeptic of all until you educate yourself-


-Red- Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

AMEN!

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Magick Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Have to agree with Greg here. Personally, I want to know the truth. I do not want scaremongering and fear tactics by any form of media. Yes, Alex you are the media as well. Do you ever stop to think about what you do for attention and money?
Tone down the rhetoric and fear and I will gladly listen more often. I prefer alternative news sources, but I do not see a difference between this site and fox.

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LittleTurd Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Why don’t they just treat the swines for colds , thats how Kermit did it. It worked for Miss Piggy.

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Joe Joe Binks Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I DIDN’T THINK I WOULD SAY THIS, BUT LISTENING TO THIS SHOW AS IT CURRENTLY IS, PRETTY MUCH “SEEMS” TO BE WORKING FOR THE BANKERS AS THEY “WANT” EVERYONE TO BE SCARED! I WILL POP ON ONCE IN A WHILE, I DO “NOT” WANT TO HEAR … NON STOP “SCARE SCARE SCARE”. IF YOU WANT TO INFORM PEOPLE, “PLEASE” I BEG OF YOU…”PLEASE” STOP WITH ALL THE SCARE TATICS.. YOU “ALWAYS”…WITHOUT FAIL, (I ONCE LISTENED TO YOU WITHOUT FAIL FOR 2 YEARS) AND KNOW “ANY TIME” YOU ARE ATTACKED “YOU” RIGHT AWAY HAVE TO BELITTLE THAT PERSON AND MAKE
“THEM” OUT TO BE THE ONE IN THE WRONG! WHAT HAPPENED??? DON’T YOU BELIEVE IN A INTELLIGENT DIFFERENCE IN OPINNION??? I RESPECT MR CLENTE’ AND PASTOR WILLIAMS.. BUT “STOP” ALLL THE FEAR MONGERING “YOU” SEEM TO BE OK TO SPEAK AGAINST…. MAYBE.. TAKE A DAMN “BREAK”?

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Lynn Zellner-Ulmer Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Is everyone replying to this article except for Colorado Patriot (I’m with you man) a complete moron! Let’s not forget that Greg can’t put a sentence together, worse than my two year old by the way…No one is giving anyone in my family a vaccination, and I’m telling everyone I know to ignore the news, as for “Magick,” are you trying to be funny? The regular new is trying to stir up more fear than Alex ever could, you idiot!

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templi Beholder Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:42 am

They should remember the science teacher in “Gremlins” when the try mandatory vaccinations.

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LCVALLEYMILITIA Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I don’t know what to think…alex jones….it does seem like you would do/say or put anything on your site to cause hype. But what do I know? I’m on your site a couple times a month or so. Who to trust?

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swotttt Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 am
iI have only One solution for everyone.. Blow up Earth!

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templi Beholder Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:46 am

Ok wheres the Valve?

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revolutionsolution Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 am
I think Alex is par for course on this , this thing is obviously manufactured in a lab so it is very unpredictable what will happen in the future . We know the evil plans of those in power are to enslave us and they are doing a good job of it , not only us but our children and childrens children. The real fear mongers are the main stream with all their disinformation .

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Shnookums Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am

Alex did his fair share of fear mongering too, don’t shit yourself. He spoke out of both sides of his mouth, truly. Credibility is everything and AJ may have hurt his a wee bit. Credibility before profit boys.

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Armed*Serenity}-;='--- Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Got to agree with Colorado Patriot and Lynn, Alex is riled up, I am riled up, all of you should be riled up.

This we’ll defend!

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-Red- Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

I agree with you and Colorado Patriot as well. This is just insane.

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Magick Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Lynn, I do not appreciate being called an idiot. I do agree major mass media has more power than Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson. Still, they are using fear tactics just the same.

When the people lead, the leaders will follow.

Get Involved. Do Something.

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Magick Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:58 am
As far as this particular article. I agree, martial law is possible. Draconian measures are likely. I want facts and figures; details. I do not want editorialized, opinionated news of any kind.

Do you take this information and do anything with it? Or did you simply bitch and whine about the sorry state of affairs?
Are you so numb that all you can do is argue on a website?

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GeRM Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:02 am
W.H.O. will raise it to 6 in the next day or so, paving the way for these measures Alex stated. Nation-wide “free” vaccinations are coming and this could easily be the trigger for imposing martial law. The difference between these fears and faux news’ fears is that this is the real threat. If there was mass containment any diseases would spread like wildfire.

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BDowd Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am

I just saw on my local news that in the state of Virginia here there is a huge warehouse full of flu vaccines ready to be distributed to the public and they are “free”. They wouldn’t say exactly where this warehouse is located. Hmmmmm…………now why would they stock up on vaccines like that?

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Kathleen Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

I definitly agree with germ. This has been like a surreal nightmare for me to deal with because I woke up only two daysbefore this thing broke up. Now I really see the light and know the TRUTH. My family thinks I am crazy and nobody will listen. I could really use a patriot buddy to be able to talk to. Please feel free to contact me at kathleenjackson500 at hotmail.com. It’s too hard going this alone.

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INFERNO Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

^Troll^

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Soul Survivor Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Hey Kat, don’t feel bad. I’ve been aware my entire adult life. People are like sheep and need to be herded. They don’t know any better and it’s easier to remain ignorent. You are definitely not alone. More are becoming aware of “the powers that be”.

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Sunseeker Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 am
“Why is this still even in the news? Would it normally be a major national news story if you got the sniffles? The swine flu hoax has been a perfect beta-test for how the media will hype doomsday scenarios when the next pandemic occurs.”

Ehm… Your news was full of it you know?

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Cherri Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I actually heard on NPR this morning (YES - THAT NPR) that the H1N1 flu strain had been completely eradicated back in the 1950s and that it “mysteriously” reappeared in 1977. They said it was suspected that the strain had been released from a lab “by accident”…by the Chinese (guess they had to blame someone). I couldn’t believe that NPR actually said it was a biologic. They just didn’t take it as far as to say it was released in the US…..

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bobby b Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Well everyone is always gonna have a different opinion on this pandemic, and that can be expected when you have so many different sources of information saying totally opposites. I sometimes agree that Alex Jones can instill fear but the truth is you should know the sides that the mainstream media are not reporting. If you have any sense at all you know the government is not your friend and you understand you are expendable when it comes to corporate growth. It is definitely fear mongering on both sides and if you think you can fight back through violence you have to realize that you will be fighting our military and we can never win that way, but through education and awareness we will prevail. The media in the world needs to be free of corporate rule if you ever want to real story but until then don’t fall into the two side senario cause you are only causing more division amongst the people, thats exactly what they want. Alex Jones is on our side, though some don’t agree with his methods he is really trying to help. My personal favorite author and lecturer on these particular subjects is David Icke, in my opinion he should have his own radio talk show and then you will see even what the problems with left and right, corporate and the people and the confusion created by dividing the people. It is not just the evil orwelian state imposers who are creating th

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bobby b Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am
the chaos but us playing there game as well.

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Daniel Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:29 am
ppl a bunch of cry babys crying all over the internet jesus

alex post more facts then most ppl even if he is pissed and going to far sometimes
but isnt that what we need?

someone to stand up and preach what isnt said

come on ppl make up ur minds already
crying like little 2 yr olds

about the mandatory vacs HA
lets see them try to give them to my family
someone will be laying facedown

thanks alex for truth in hard times
and anyone who dont like it
DONT READ IT dont listen to it
go bitch at cnn and fox
lol

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SoundFlick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

People with opinions like yours are the exact reason I put myself through reading the drudge on this site in the first place. No one is going to try to make a vaccine any more “required” than they are today.

And to Alex- For all the “fear mongering” you accuse people of, you sure are doing your fair share as well.

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Unhappy Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:36 am
AJ has really dropped the ball on this story.

How the hell do you know how BAD a possible pandemic spread is until you wait 90 days to see the depth and severity of the infection? It takes TIME to see how bad this is and just because 10000 people didnt die in the first 72 hours doesnt mean we are free and clear.

This virus is going to be around for 2 years through several flu seasons and will slowly take up a toll.

Want to put your resources towards something positive? Figure out a solution and plan of action that involves more than screaming at people 300 feet away over a bullhorn.

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templi Beholder Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Alex Jones is a mosquito on the side of a demonic mutant elephant but he does have the best
“spleen venting” site around, i think it is good for high blood pressure to say what is really on your mind.

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o Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:41 am
As soon as I heard about the swine flu pandemic I called bullshit. Things just weren’t adding up and the media was contradicting itself with it’s statistics (obviously made up). The hysteria was spreading a hell of a lot faster than the flu. I for one will not be vaccinated, last shot I had was a tetanus shot, which is bullshit, I didn’t know that at the time I got it.

The Flu story has been on for the past week, probably covering up a big bill in the District Of Criminals that will rape us of more rights. Watch my left hand… while my right hand steals your wallet.

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ParanoiaSetsIn Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I think that the media is hyping this H1N1 virus up way too much…. and so is Alex Jones. It’s great that he provides alternative sources of news and information, but at the same time, you have to take everything in with a grain of salt… I could trust Mr. Jones a little more if he wasn’t using fear tatics to profit of the paranoids. Give me the truth, don’t sell it to me… Thank God for YouTube.

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Seattleguy48 Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

I so agree Paranoia Alex has kept me in a panic since i have listen to his show this last Sept 8y wife hates how I will not stop listening to him as i write this i am listen to his show on my laptop. I have to say he sells this fear. I refuse to pay for it or send him money for this information. I wish I would have never found this web site or his show. its Like when i found the Howard stern Show in 1994 in the bay area I spent the next 3 years listening to his stupid rants on the Air, back then it was to be entertained and laugh at him and baba bouey. this time its to sit at home out of work and fearing the next move. I hate Alex for this show but I am not addicted to his rants like crack. I tell myself the fear and paranoia is not going to change a fucking thing. When they haul my ass out the door at 4 am and put a bullet in my head. All this time spent listening to his stupid rants is not going to save my life. I had the police come to my door at 4 am in 1987 and haul my ass to jail. And spent the next 3 years in prison for a woman who lied and said i tried to rape her. i know what it is to have you life destroyed over a lie. So what’s news time I am hauled off because I was so stupid to visit this site and listen to this shit so now the police drag me off again.?
but this time shoot me in the head or worse hang me up in a cell by my balls till I am dead for being a Alex Jones listener.. Shut up Alex if you really believed what you say you would be on the next plane smoking to the tropic of cancer to keep your kids and wife safe, Don’t give me the bullshit how your committed to this cause. Your a fear mongering Texan loud mouth making big $ from this site and your DVDS. Fucking Howard Stern makes over 500 million a year talking about farts and dyke’s. what you make for talking about the NWO all day?

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INFERNO Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

^Troll^ & ^Troll^

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SoundFlick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Troll Hater^

hologram5 Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am
No Vaccines, no martial law. They need to be afraid of the people, do not fear them there are more of us than there are of them.

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Amanda Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:01 am

I agree.

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REASONa Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:08 am

what if all the people who state, promise that they will not take the deadly next flu shot for themselves and would fight it ( and it would be your death in that fight) accurately followed through with their word. How many people fighting to their death would it take to right the apple cart.
Americans do not like to die or see Americans die so I figure maybe 10 to 20 thousand would do it.
Thats less that a normal flu season ,car crash year, cancer death year.
So lets start and see I’m in all the way.

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d Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:29 am

Unfortunately 90% are clueless sheep, as we all know. They will “obey”, so keep waking them up! Someone new will listen.

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Jim in Philadelphia Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:58 am
It’s too soon to rule out a bioweapon dud.

If plain flu can mutate into killer flu, why not the converse?

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Alex jones Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I support this NEW website as a fight against the globalist!

http://tinyurl.com/codxvy

http://tinyurl.com/codxvy

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Dave Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am
There’s a new executive order which allows the feds to kick in our doors and (attempt to) confiscate weapons due to a new strain of athletes foot.

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Carol Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:06 am
«As officials all but guarantee deadlier form of H1N1 will return later this year, draconian response measures have been established with the aid of deceptive scaremongering and hype..
…Governments could not have established such draconian response plans without the aid of media scaremongering, and now that these measures have been set in stone, we can only wait for them to be fully enacted the next time a deadlier outbreak occurs, as officials are so enthusiastic to promise..».
I hope the folks at prisonplanet don’t mind me analyzing this – through my own personal use of on-the-ground clue gathering over the past few weeks as well as through observation and experimentation.
The «media», as I see it, gives the appearence of «scaremongering» because it is given the status of ‘officialdom’ by the powers that be; it assumes that it warrants the public’ s confidence to oversee what can be discussed and or disclosed in the public domain BUT at the same time, it only presents a very small glimpse into what’s really taking place.. For example: the media issues warnings of severity – then turn around and states that nothing threatning is presently taking place - that hardly any people are getting sick while ‘it’ religiously sticks to a hypothesis that the virus originates in Mexico in addition to representing a natural occuring strain.

From my own experience, I would say that the ’severity’ part is true and that the rest is a ‘make over’ of hard core facts in order to keep people artificially pacified – that is, artificially pacified while the latter stages of a grand ploy/mechanism is set into play – engaging each and everyone’s physical constitutions in a sinister ‘medical experiment’.

I presented myself to a major Montreal hospital emergency room on both the latter part of the evenings of both April 30 and then May 2nd. On my first visit, the ‘flu’ cases, of which most people present needing care were, were there in the regular emergency waiting room. 2 days later, a mechanism had been set up to divert all flu cases to another ‘wing’ just as such people would have reached the hallway leading to the regular emergency ward. On my first visit, I witnessed 1 exceptionally severe case involving a ‘walk in’, on 2nd visit, I witnessed a case where an individual with no other symptoms other than a tendency to a deep cough, was directed to ‘this other’ wing once her initial screening was completed. The hypothesis of the virus having a direct link to Mexico and Mexican travelers was upheld as the new poster stuck on the various doors stipulated the following - «do you have fever, cough, severe respiratory problems and then - have you traveled or been in contact with someone who has – in the last 7 days, if so, go to the security agent who will escort you to the ‘?’ wing.»

So yes, the control grid is in place – and I certainly did not get the impression that it was the hospital’s own administration which was solely behind this new security measure. As well, the nurses in the emergency appeared scared when I mentioned the word ‘ Swine flu’ on my 2nd visit.
I hope that I will be permitted to present my analysis of the virus in question: I personally hold to the belief that the virus in question is engineered using (at least) human, avian and swine ‘flu’ variations. I do not believe that the ’swine and avian’ strains could instill themselves into the human organism if human to mammal, human to bird DNA mixing had not previously occured in a laboratory - and I also believe that lengthy covert opererations have been in place for some time now to get this virus to have a real chance at ‘running’ through the public domain. ( With given locations emphasized over others, now that we arrived at more crucially strategic times ).
And then, how would it be possible that the current Swine flu can already be ‘foreseen’ as becoming more deadly – as it is being promised by media officials etc?
Because, along with the Swine flu as a seperate ‘complex germ’ having been dessimated into the public domain, a seperate Avian flu germ is being (secretly, covertly) leaked out into the public domain in order to act as a ‘booster’ to the initial avian segment of the Swine flu.
What I’d like to get at is that we humans, as mammals, can much more easily accept a mammal based Swine flu (via DNA swapping) than we can accept the presence of a bird’s DNA. Having stated this however, I must warnn readers that I most sincerely believe that the scientists behind this scheme have indeed succeeded in finding a way to ’sneek into the human organsim’ an unmistakably lethal bird flu – and that the military industrial complex is actively trying to push this through the public domain -
However, (and this is where things get strangely comical), it seems, by my own observations and experimentations, that in fact, it’s not so hard for us human to litterally ‘kick the bird DNA’ from out of organisms: Seeing as we are, at the base level, mammals in addition to having exceptional qualities of posessing individual souls and spirits ( and thus having command over thinking, feeling and willing), there is much more to us than is found in the bird kingdom. Bird’s are connected to the air – and it seems to me that an Avian flu posesses a inate quality of gaining a strong hold over our breathing apparatus’s (as well as the the circulation of the blood ?). And, seeing as birds are not mammals, the avian flu will remain undetected by our digestive tracts and could not be conteracted by us humans through remedies passed through our digestive tracts…
I’m going to make a long story short: I discovered that by sucking on the most basic of seaweed and /or drinking the water in which seaweed has been steeped, immediately acts as a BLOCK to a bird’s DNA (floating around my organism as a result of my having had contact with the Avian flu germ); being recognized by my own human DNA. And, I believe that this has something to do with seaweed posessing high concentrations of iodine – which itself directly nurishes HUMAN BRAINS (human spirits ?) - thus acting to (massively) reinforce the distinction which naturally exists between the human species and fowl.
In retrospect, it would seem that the most elaborate laboratory experimentations emphasizing materialistic values and greed (and which likely have cost the lives of many micro biologists as well) can be knocked down to nothing - through simple discoveries using Nature’s garden and listening to Divine wisdom with an attentive Soul.

So, what do I foresee as the more deadly strain of the virus to come ? An unmistakenly deadly Avian flu – if human beings allow the bird flu’s DNA to go ahead and be recognized by their own DNA – and if it is accompanied by the a debilitating Swine flu which itself hosts an avian flu ’signature’.

That’s my take, so far. carol.

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Standing UP Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I was never worried about the swine flu in the first place. Although martial law always has my interest.
This is not new but I want everyone to know. For about a year now there has been an APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) at the city garage on Morris Blvd in Morristown, TN. We are talking about the full military armored version with cat tracks. The sides of the APC is painted with the morristown/hamblen police department logo.
Morristown is in Hamblen county which is located in East Tennessee. This town has grown overtime, but it is no major metropolitan. I don’t know the population, but there is a large number of mexican invaders mostly illegal here for the large number of farm jobs available. It has been called the sanctuary city of Tennessee.
Now you tell me what they are planning to do with this. The tracks would tear the streets up if this was used a parade. There is no reasonable use for it other than security. If you don’t believe me, why don’t you check it out for yourself, It is clearly seen from the street. Although more than likely after this posts, the machine will probably be moved to a “safe” location.

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SoundFlick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

and after they tear up the streets wheeling around their APC, they’ll start flying those planes that they set up outside highway restaurants and taking them on bombing runs.

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Nigel Thomas Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
We really need to put this pandemic into perspective. Here’s a fact: As at time of writing there has been 25 confirmed deaths out of 985 confirmed cases. That’s about a 2.5% mortality rate, or one death for every 40 infections.

The 1918 pandemic, considered the worst in history had a 2.75% mortality rate. This new one is pretty much up there so far. It’s really only numbers which separate the two. Pandemics normally last 18 months and this one’s only been going for a couple of weeks.

Nigel Thomas.
Bird Flu Manual Online.
2009 H1N1 Flu preparedness for businesses.

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joe blow Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:12 am

The population of 1918 must be considered. What was it something like 30 to 40% of less people existed then(correct me if I’m wrong)Also the way in which we house now has dramatically changed … in my opinion of course. I do agree that this should be taken seriously, just not to extreme lengths as forced vaccinations or involuntary quarantine. Stay healthy, exercise eat well, wash hands often and avoid drinking or eating after anyone should keep you relatively safe.

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SoundFlick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

agreed

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Chri$ Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I don’t understand at ALL why the media is pushing the swine flu to a whole new level. People with normal sicknesses can die almost just as easily. I don’t believe that the world should be in an uproar over something as a flu that originated within a pig.

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ab Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Doesn’t anyone think that if this H1N1 ‘pandemic’ is a gov’t conspiracy, that it is more directed at helping the Mexican gov’t cripple/contain the activities of the druglords & round ‘em up?
There has been utter chaos/failed state in Mexico lately and then out of the blue, everyone is HOME for Cinquo de Mayo? Scared to come out, everyone in a mask, not even a restaurant meal….
I think this has been very bad for the Mexican druglords… anyone wanting to smuggle anything to the U.S. now is being scrutinized ‘for the flu’…
I think it’s been a good way to really put a lid on the druglord problem.
We haven’t heard a peep about all the beheadings, kidnapping, & torture in Mexico lately… wonder how this is all playing out…?

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Magick Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:38 am
“Back in ‘76 only one person died from the flu, but over 25 people died from getting the vaccine. Many more got very ill so they finally had to suspend the whole program.”
Ron Paul - who voted against a national inoculation program during the 1976 flu outbreak.

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djva Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Alex does the best he can and does what he beleives is right and good for the american people and he is right to be upset about what is going on in my opinion he is a truly great american patriot and desserves the utmost repect for that and the work he does instead of putting him down why dont we help further the cause of truth and freedom

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SoundFlick Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

No one reads these stories wanting to hear what Alex believes is right, or thinks is right. And if you do you’re a sucker. You know what he deserves? Its not utmost respect, its fair criticism of his work. Since when is questioning someone’s views = putting him down (wah)

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wildcat Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Having had norovirus (winter vomiting sickness) which makes you feel as if you are lying in bed with a bowling ball under your T-shirt and unable to eat for days at a time, and had that sinus infection which ends up going into your lungs, seeing people in home quarantine, having the energy to walk about, go to their windows and talk to the camera teams using a mobile phone, it does seem a bit hyped-up.

If there is a danger of this “mild flu” mutating into something far nastier, why isn’t there a similar danger with regular flu?

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joe blow Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Listen people i’m only 21 but i’m wise enough to know that you should take any news, no matter the source with a grain of salt. It is up to the individual to listen to the information being presented and use logic and common sense to decode and dispose of exaggeration,misrepresentation or complete lies. Example I have heard several times on the news in the past week and a half, that swine flu or h1n1 is a completely new sickness and that is what makes it so dangerous. On the other hand I’ve been told by some older folks who I personally trust that there was an outbreak in the mid seventies of the exact same virus can anyone clarify this for me. By the way lets act like intellectuals if we are to discuss politics and the state of our nation. Grown ups don’t resort to name calling….and i’m sure this blog will earn me some badgering also…oh well

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ParanoiaSetsIn Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am

I agree. I mean, come on. Alex Jones is one man with one opinion. He reports what he wants to because he has an agenda… just like the mass media! One week the h1n1 virus is a “biological weapon,” the next it’s a “race specific virus” now it’s hoax! Which is it Alex???

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JTCoyote Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Because it is an engineered virus, it IS a Bio-weapon. From the early reports, and as has been born out by the deaths, all dozen of them, including the 2yr. old that was brought in for treatment from Mexico and died here, carry Mestizo American genes… and it is pretty obvious it is a “hoax/beta test/trial run” which has shown for the most part that the fluoride in the water and the anti-depressants is working fine, in the acceptance of this crap…

If you had listened to his very first broadcast on this media/government created “pandemic,” all three of these possibilities were set out and explored as talking points, along with the idea that it might be real…

So as it stands now, it is all three… They will now fine tune and tweak their schema, and in a few months to a year or so when the government’s numbers are in the dumper, then they will spring the not watered down, “Real Deal” on us…. ~JTCoyoté

“The NRA, behind the scenes, has brokered, compromised,
and then endorsed every major anti Second Amendment
federal law passed for the last 30 years…”
C.E. Lovell, NRA Board Member 1980-93


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SB Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:58 am
I work for the postal service and we have an inhouse TV channel called Postal Vision which features postal news items as well as the general public type news. They also provide safety information such as how to walk on ice, how to avoid dog attacks, how to deal with heat stress, etc. In the years preceeding the anthrax situation, we kept seeing these warnings about ‘be on the lookout for anthrax’ and ‘if you see something suspicious that you think might be anthrax, report it to your supervisor’. This went on for several years and we would comment to each other how strange this seemed (now remember, this was before the anthrax ‘attacks’) as if they had some inside knowledge. Well we all know in hind sight about this and it seems to me like it was an inside job. This present swine flu crap sure parallels what happened back then. These are just the facts; I agree with others not to get vaccinated. I still wonder what was in those vaccines we got in the military, why some of us in boot camp were segregated to get ‘additional’ vaccines from the rest of the company just because we were going to nuclear power school. What do you think? I’d like to read your comments.

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undertow0510 Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I stopped getting nervous about this “flu” when I saw how quickly the federal/state governments started in motion their plans to seize more power and quickly shifted my nervousness to the REAL matters at hand.

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dc comic Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Tax revolts, tea parties, banker bail outs, economy in the toilet, 3 trillion in 3 months with another 5 trillion in long term debt added, hey everyone the sky is falling. red leader ….. stay on target…. stay on target…..

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Arizona Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
This is not a hoax. I repeat.. NOT a hoax.

Alex - you’re pissing me off.

This flu has to this point and will continue to mimic the 1918 pandemic.

Why are more Mexicans getting ill? The same reason more Native Americans became ill in 1918 - autoimmune disease.

This flu doesn’t kill you - the violent immune reaction kills you. Both of these cultures have a propensity for auto-immune disease.

Young and old have weaker immune systems which is why they are not being affected by this flu and they would any other. Their immune response is not deadly - and this is also why healthy, young adults are the primary victims of this flu.

The 1918 Spanish flu started in March… mildly, much like this one.

It was in the fall/winter months that everyone started keeling over. Much like this one. (Trust me, you’ll see)

Americans are a freedom-loving bunch… if they want their Martial Law, they’re gonna have to convince us with a few corpses that they “must”. Most will believe then.

This flu IS the Spanish Flu - with the additional of deadly bird flu. Nice design, guys.

This first phase allows the virus to survive. It’s simply setting up residence so that the unlikely jump from avian to human can be accomplished. It too many hosts die now, then it will limit the number of fatalities… and we don’t want THAT - now do we?

Be prepared come fall people. It is going to get ugly.

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Crazy Horse Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:05 am
This entire flu Epidemic is pure propaganda to gain more control of you and your rights as free thinking Americans. The end goal here is clearly an attempt at the declaration of Martial Law across the land which will likely ignite not only a revolution but also civil war, as most Americans will not tolerate their rights being stripped suddenly because of something so mild as this swine flu scare.

Nothing happens by chance when it comes to Politics! Everything is planned and executed on a level that would blow you away in it’s corruption within the ranks of your government.

Before you are allowed to become a politician, you must kiss the ass of your local Israeli lobby and swear alliegence to the pm of that nation and then you will get payed off whenever you prove your worth to Israel.

This is a test run to evaluate your immune system capabilities! It passed quickly and they will wait another few months after spraying the crap out of you with barium from the skies to weaken your immune system before they try again.

Expect the skies to be smothered with chemtrails this summer to poison you! Build your immune systems and by the end of summer when they try this again…..YOU’LL BE READY!!

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bubba Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Scaremongering conspiracy garbage. I was let down that there was no flying triangle tie in… Where are the black helicopters? You guys are slippin.

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Educated Individual Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am

Well said! It’s nice to see somebody else on here with an iota of intelligence and skepticism.

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Reconmarine Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Good to know how tough the prison planet conspiracy nutballs are and imune to h1n1…..

We can put you all at the front line of this shit, and since its all fake, you wont need masks.

The black helicopters picked up the h1N1 virus from the Bermuda triangle and then dropped it off in mexico

Keep up the theories, sooner or later your gonna get something right…………

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Awakened Lone Wolf Reply:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

it wasn’t the black helicoptors it was president Hilary Clinton! oh thats right were not having an election, there will be martial law. ooops I mean , you know how many fucking scare stories have come true that are on this website? about 5%

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Dhana Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ge.....neFlu.html

will provide you a list of the latest testing sequences found updated to May 4, 2009.

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J. Stalin Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I’m all for martial law and I don’t really see what all the fuss is about.

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A. Hitler Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I agree with J. Stalin.
People need strong leadership and need to be told how best to do things.

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Christi Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I wish I could help Alex to tell you how serious this really is. This new virus has been engineered in a laboratory and given a test run so that when it is really let loose in the fall, martial law will not be resisted and people will believe what they are told. If you get the vaccine, you will probably die. If you don’t get it, you might die anyway. The whole purpose, remember, is to wipe out 80% of the human population and enslave whoever is left for the use of the Bildeberg Group and whoever else is rich enough to qualify to live by their standards.

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dumbass Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
SWINE FLU IS NO HOAX HUN, IT IS REAL
ANIMALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DYING, HORSES, CATTLE, DEER, OPEN YOUR EYES.
WE’RE NEXT.

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dumbass Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
GOVERNMENT DIDN’T CREATE THE VIRUS, WE’RE A SPECIES AND ARE PRONE TO ILLNESS JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SPECIES. ALEX SINCE YOU HAVE SUCH A LARGE AUDIENCE WHY DON’T YOU COVER SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT LIKE WHAT TO DO ONCE THE FLOW OF INFORMATION IS CUT OFF (SHORTLY), AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN SOME CONSPIRACY OF DEPOPULATION, THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT MILLIONS OF DEATHS DUE TO A REAL VIRUS. LOOK AT THE HORSES, LOOK AT THE CATTLE, LOOK AT THE DEER FOR THE PAST MONTH, THEY’RE DYING. AGENCIES ARE FINING THE ANIMAL OWNERS WITH “NEGLECT” YET PEOPLE AREN’T PUTTING THE LINK TOGETHER THAT THE ANIMALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE FALLING ILL TO SICKNESS. THE MEDIA IS ON A DULLOUT RIGHT NOW, WE’RE BEING TOLD POSITIVE THINGS TO KEEP THE PEOPLE FROM PANIC, THAT IS THE ROLL OF THE MEDIA AND THE GOVERNMENT IN A TIME OF GREAT CRISIS, DO YOU BLAME THEM? I DO BELIEVE MARTIAL LAW WILL BE DECLARED VERY SHORTLY, I’D SAY WITHIN A WEEK LOOKING AT THE DATA, THE ANIMALS DYING, THEY JUST HAVE TO PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND PREPARE OFFICIALS ON HANDLING MASS CHAOS AND HYSTERIA. THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR DAMNED GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY TRYING TO KILL US, IF YOU DON’T LEARN FROM HISTORY HISTORY WILL LEARN YOUR ASS. LOOK AT THE HORSES, DEER, CATTLE, THEY ARE DYING. IF THE GOVT REALLY WANTED TO KILL US THEY WOULD ALLOW US ALL TO PANIC AND KILL EACH OTHER, THE GOVT IS TRYING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, WHICH INCLUDES KEEPING INFORMATION AT BAY.

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dumbass Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
HOW DO U KNOW THIS ISN’T A CONSPIRACY? BECAUSE THE ANIMALS ARE DYING FIRST, WE ARE AFTER ALL, A SPECIES. GET A CLUE

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yohantoo Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
To those who are turning away from Alex or accusing him or scaremongering:

I think the problem is that we’re heading for ‘crunch time’. We all liked listening to Alex - until it got a bit too real and close to home.

Remember, there are alot of things coming into play here. The NWO would like alot of people out of the way so they are more able to control a chaotic situation.

PLEASE read this: http://www.australia.to/story/.....00,00.html

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rg3855 Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
you tube “Alex Jones” channel gone!!! boycot YOU TUBE

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Dhana Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Notice the initial photo before clicking on the link. Look how many there are in one group. Why don’t they just spray each other!

Persons applying ?DISINFECTANT,? some kind of “CIDE” neurotoxin/carcinogen without proper mandatory label requirements of respiratory protection (they are wearing paper masks) while citizenry get gassed passing by in violation of application rules……
what agency is monitoring this application? NONE!

This shows you what the poop at the top know about any of this!

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Snif-Cough Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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Bobby Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
The very instant I learned of this new flu virus I knew in my heart that it was created in a secret govt. laboratory and initially designed / released as this moderate version as an experiment in completely closing the U.S. - Mexico border as well as collecting data as to it’s effectiveness. Wait a few monthsfrom now when flu season really kicks in and the feds release the really big mutated version of this “bullshit” pig virus. Oh and by the way - I haven’t seen or heard of any pigs being sick…I mean after all, isn’t it their virus and therefore should they not have gotten it first????

FYI: I think the feds commited a similar more lethal and sinister atrocity with the so-called HIV / Aids virus. I mean, think about it for a minute. The gay community sits on the cusp of finally being politically and socially accepted into mainstream America and then - “BANG” - all of a sudden this crazy new mysterious shit comes out of absolutely nowhere and gets hung like an albatross around the necks of the gay community instantly achieving the desired effect of stopping a progressive movement dead in its tracks and killing off a bunch of “undersirables” in the process. The homosexual community has had to fight even harder ever since and has put up with more ignorance influenced hate crime than ever before.
I suopport the integrity of this statement with two indisputable facts;
1. A very physically and mentally fit elder statesman - President Reagan - leaves office and disappears into private secluded life with a most severe case of Alzhiemers. We wouldn’t want the old man to all of sudden find himself searching his tormented soul over having commited the evil crime of ordering such horror on his fellow human beings and possibly coming out in retirement and exposing the evil govt. sponsored tragedy. Nope! Can’t remember a thing…oh well.
2. Homosexuality has been around since before our primitive ancestor learned how to walk upright and the gay segment of the human species have been boinking each other in the rear since then or even before. Now all of a sudden this same sexual activity is responsible for manifesting a monster of a disease out of thin air. Anyone with at least two functioning brain cells can see right through that load of crap.

No, I don’t buy it just like I don’t buy this latest concoction the feds are throwing out there in their constant evil and horrific attempts at controlling our lives. The frightening part is is what’s coming next. These A-holes mean business and it’s time for us to wake up and stand up and say %&$J *(% - no more!!!!!!

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a23b23 Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
The media is pushing this story becouse it’s hot news.

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a23b23 Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
it’s all about ratings and money.Aj is media also.

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4Yahshua Says:

May 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
How wonderful that we are still here! It seems to me that the last days of April we entered “The Twilight Zone”. It will help to have some perspective about flu vaccines. I have posted this before and will do so again now in case you have not read it. Please go to http://www.H1flu.com to watch Dr. True Ott tell the sordid history of 1918, etc. If you are like me, you won’t run out to get a flu short or drug meds. You will prepare and pray. . .but not panic.
I am sure what is planned for us will surprise even me. I am just so happy that Yahshua is coming soon! Shalom in Him!

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iceman2 Says:

May 5th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Ha, well even this site hypes stuff up! it was only a few days ago they published another article saying how much worse this was than they were letting on! Stop the fear game! get the facts right before you publish!!!

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Bryan Says:

May 5th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Try some stabilized oxygen to protect yourself from viruses of all kinds. My best friend and I went out the other night he’s been sick 2 days and I took the product when I started to feel symptoms and have yet to feel much more than a minor bit of sinus irritation and already it has progressed from my right nostril to the left with no major side effects. obviously this stuff is very powerful so don’t overdo it. To use squirt 10 to 15 drops in a cup with an ounce of real lemon juice the bottled kind works real well. Add a little water and take it down and your good to go for 3 or 4 hours then repeat and your symptoms should fade like mine did. I also take the best minerals and vitamins around at myconsumerclub dot sportron dot whatever if you must know who has the best. Actually if your taking a mineral sup your preventing 90% of the diseases that can hit you and viruses are all that is left other than genetic problems and injuries. That makes more sense than paying thousands of dollars to have major medical insurance when accident coverage is really what we need. There wouldn’t be a need for health insurance that is ultra expensive if we didn’t have such poor health from our diets and lack of minerals. Diabetes is curable from minerals as well.

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Charles Martel Says:

May 5th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Here you go.The Mexican or LA RAZA swine flu experimental is a dry run.It is to prewarn the populace of the world of impending doom.They say it will mutate.That is can be much deadlier.Later,maybe this comming flu season,flu 2 will be released.This will be the worldwide killer.Of course everyone is preconditioned to accept that it is comming so no one will blame the UN?NWO scientists in bio-weapons for scourging the Earth for population control.Wars used to suffice but now wars don’t kill as many people so they must improvise. The masters of the earth want no more than one billion people on earth so the cull must begin somewhere.Good luck and drink your orange juice.

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OsamaInPakistan Says:

May 5th, 2009 at 7:10 am
I did not do it.It was the NWO.They were just trying to blame me.They killed Kennedy too.I want to come out of my cave but the NWO wants we dead.ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!

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webmanco says on May 5, 2009, 08:02:

What about just sharing the link to the article above instead of copying and pasting the whole thing?





Fuente: Rubens

El mundo según Rubens
http://www.eltiempo.com/multimedia/galerias/home/multimedia.php?id_rec...

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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goin_south says on May 5, 2009, 18:23:

Que Virus?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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