"'Tirofijo is dead' says Minister of Defense"

tejasmarcos says on May 24, 2008, 11:14:

i'll believe it when i see a body...

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Simon says on May 24, 2008, 11:42:

BURN IN HELL MOTHERFOKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Colombiareports.com says on May 24, 2008, 12:06:

Me?

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Simon says on May 24, 2008, 12:06:

NOO!! I meant that evil POS Tirofijo.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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tejasmarcos says on May 24, 2008, 12:18:

LOL!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 13:33:

jajajaja.

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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romy says on May 24, 2008, 17:40:

buggy- why ignore tejas? he seems like an alright guy

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angelcanada says on May 24, 2008, 18:08:

This is a day to remember..thats te way to go APresiden Uribe...woooooooooooooooooooo.

MY NAME IS ANGEL. I AM COLOMBIAN AND LIVED IN CANADA AND THE USA FOR 18 YEARS. I RETURNED TO MEDELLIN AND WOULD LIKE TO OFFER SERVICES AS INTERPRETER/ ESCORT AND DRIVER. I CAN ALSO HELP IN FINDING SHORT TERM APT. RENTALS.

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 18:18:

Y porqué a mi buggi? qué te he hecho yo???? :-)

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 18:32:

Gracias buggy, lo concidero un honor estar en tu lista ;) Si sigues asi, el unico que no tendras en tu lista sera romy.

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SiV says on May 24, 2008, 23:17:

Is there any evidence for this other than on Santos' say-so?

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 23:23:

Maybe a comfirmation from chavez would satisfy you? Since he gave Reyes a minute of silence, he might grant marulanda a whole day of national mourning.

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romy says on May 24, 2008, 23:27:

romy says on May 15, 2008, 08:41: flag
hey, I don't trust Santos at all... I'm sure we'll hear a different story in a couple of days. Uribe should put a muzzle on the guy already.


billyb says on May 15, 2008, 08:49: flag
I don't trust, or mistrust him, but he does have a big mouth.

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 23:30:

No no inconsistency there, as i have prefaced all my comments with a "if it is true", but nice attempt. And like i alluded to above, who would know best of his demise, but his host chavez? BTW, I am taking you at your word that the recent news coming out of Colombia is not upsetting you.

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romy says on May 24, 2008, 23:34:

I wasn't showing an inconsistency (haven't you figured out that we think differently by now). I was showing that you ARE satisfied with a guy with "a big mouth". Which, I guess speaks on your character but that's all.

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 23:39:

jajaa, i might have given you too much credit if that is what you get out of that statement. BTW, when i said "no inconsistency', i meant on my part. Might those schools in canada have remedial english classes?

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romy says on May 24, 2008, 23:44:

you are satisfied with Santos' statement and you mention Santos has a big mouth. It's basic logic, they call it deduction reasoning.

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Alma del Norte says on May 24, 2008, 23:47:

Is Simon getting more HOLLYWOOD with every post? Time to come on home son! jajaja.........

La vida es una rutina

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 23:51:

I am very satisfied with his statement, if true, but that has nothing to do with being satisfied with him on balance, again, you might want to check into those classes i mentioned above. And it seems, that contrary to your previous protestations to the contrary, which I was willing to believe, it is becoming more apperent that you are not very happy with the recent turn of events as they pertain to Colombia.

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romy says on May 24, 2008, 23:57:

ok, I'm not going to repeat myself, you can go through my post history from today to remind yourself of my stance if you want. As I mentioned before my dad is here to visit so I have a long day tomorrow of going around town, have a good one.

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billyb says on May 25, 2008, 00:00:

you also, hope your pops has a good time during his visit.

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papiChulo says on May 25, 2008, 00:01:

This news is great! Its just what I need to get me arse in gear and sell up in the GWN and get to Colombia. I wonder how much beach front land in Choco is going for thses days?

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billyb says on May 25, 2008, 00:06:

i don't know that El Choco will be safe any time soon as the FARC is just one of the many unsavory actors causing misery there, but you can pick up some very good land in Cauca department dirt cheap that will appreciate very fast if this trend continues.

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papiChulo says on May 25, 2008, 00:34:

billy it all sounds good to me I like the look of the land in Pasto. Reminds me of Kamloops British Columbia... amazing cattle country. But who wouldn't dream of beach front pacific ocean properity with unspolit rainforest backdrop. I'll gladly buy now and hold.

Ain't it great to dream folks!!?? I know the Colombians are 100x more pumped than me and off the bloody dial.... VIVA COLOMBIA!!!

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goin_south says on May 25, 2008, 00:39:

Hey, I'm wondering why I was left off the 'Buggy Ignore' list...

I'm not vigilant enough or what??

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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huskie says on May 25, 2008, 03:53:

I am really honored Buggy has ignored me!!!! Yeeeepee. That means its all quiet in
the waterfront...HAHAHA
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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tasco66 says on May 25, 2008, 06:13:

Funny, I remember when Buggy was posting under Cassini, and he got put on so many ignored lists that he changed id to Buggy, so that nobody would miss his latest Chavez lpropaganda

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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juancegomez says on May 25, 2008, 08:02:

FARC has confirmed it on Telesur, apparently.

Good riddance, I say.

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podborski says on May 25, 2008, 08:56:

SiV, romy, buggy all doubt the news...where's sr t to add to the list? : )

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webmanco says on May 25, 2008, 09:21:

Media manipulation from the government.

In case it is true it shows again the lack of power of our military forces including that of paramilitares in order to rule our country.

The death from natural causes of "Sure shot" and the murder of Ivan Rojas, and surrender of Karina, although a loss to the Farcs, can not be taken as a victory from Colombia Military forces. If any it means in the case of Ivan Rojas and the surrender of Karina that the Farcs got some internal problems.

Lots of social investment would be needed, if that has not been the case until now, I hope to see the social work done with the truthfull "reinsertados", whereever they come from.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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juancegomez says on May 25, 2008, 09:34:

Not really. FARC confirmed it so I don't see the "manipulation".

Also, webmanco, do you really need a list of other military operations that have in fact produced results?

Even if FARC has internal divisions, you can´t ignore that military pressure has likely helped to increase them. If that weren't the case, several of those incidents you mention probably wouldn't happen.

Marulanda's death, if it was in fact natural, is something else entirely.

More social investment is certainly necessary, and urgently so in fact. That front has been neglected by Uribe. But the war per se can't be neglected either, as much as it may pain me to say it.

Samper increased social investment and benefits for many poor Colombians, it was in his political platform and also helped him stay afloat during the crisis, but that didn't exactly help him fight the war against FARC. In fact, the worst defeats were going on at the same time.

In short, you need social investment and you need military pressure.

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webmanco says on May 25, 2008, 09:46:

I was talking about Goverment manipulation of the media in order to create more deserction front the Farc´s files.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/colombian-president-uribe-says-f...

If you consider money rewards and impunity a military pressure then yes, they indeed increase farc´s internal division, and of course there had been a few real military confrontations with guerrilas, killings and arrests but those had not been succesful enough to release most of kidnapped or to make most guerrilleros to turn in their guns, and to change the mind of those who truly enjoy the farcs for ideology and not just for money.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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juancegomez says on May 25, 2008, 10:11:

Then you shouldn't have posted the same message in a thread that is only talking about Marulanda.

And come on...you know that's not everything I meant by military pressure.

Btw, I do not measure success exclusively in terms of "are all hostages released now or has all of FARC demobilized".

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webmanco says on May 25, 2008, 10:21:

Then should I had said, Tirofijos death is been manipulate by the Goverment thru the media to motivate guerrilleros to demobilized, that would make it suit for this thread

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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juancegomez says on May 25, 2008, 10:28:

Well, that's probably more accurate. But it's manipulation based on an apparently factual death.

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gatogris says on May 25, 2008, 10:40:

The FARC is seriously on the wane. The bounty collected on Ivan Rios, the kangaroo trials against its own members, the unrelenting pressure, the last vestiges of external support melting away, the withering away of an animating ideological platform, the shift in the center of gravity in the cocaine trade, all these factors and more are accelerating its demise.

It turns out that, according to Reyes' computer, Tirofijo was still very much in control of major tactical decisions, so his death only adds to this list.

The real question is how much longer can their centralized organizational structure last. Major divisions will be disbanding sooner than many suspect. An indigenous NGO operating on the Easternmost Vaupes river has repented signs of major dissent in one of the largest contingents of FARC soldiers.

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SiV says on May 25, 2008, 13:24:

Yes, Pod, I'm sceptical about what the Colombian govt. says, especially los Santos (Juan Manual or Pacho).
If the Farc have confirmed it, that's good enough for me, I guess.

I'm certainly not going to mourn Marulanda's death, unless it means a worsening in the conflict, which it could well do if that monster Jojoy becomes the No.1.

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

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huskie says on May 25, 2008, 14:24:

It won't be long before they get hold of mono jojoy
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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billyb says on May 25, 2008, 19:13:

"It turns out that, according to Reyes' computer, Tirofijo was still very much in control of major tactical decisions, so his death only adds to this list."

gato, i was always of the impression that marulanda had been either dead or so sick as to be irrelevant for the last four years, but as you mention, Reyes' PCs indicate otherwise, so the news of his demise is so much better.

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billyb says on May 25, 2008, 19:14:

El Mono will never have antoher good night's sleep until he dies or surrenders, either of which will come about shortly.

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goin_south says on May 25, 2008, 23:43:

I say: URIBE.....una vez tresorio!!

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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billyb says on May 25, 2008, 23:50:

Tesoro?

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goin_south says on May 26, 2008, 00:46:

(you don't have the COMPLETE SPANISH DICTIONARY?)

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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