This is quite sad to read some threats written in english

webmanco says on Nov 16, 2006, 04:18:

El ombligo del mundo I am thankful for people from anywhere in the world who don't believe the world (Colombia) would be worst without their country intervention, also I do respect more those visitors who don't expect better treatment.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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panthdave says on Nov 16, 2006, 04:22:

Don't Understand your Point....Juan.. Trying to Understand what you mean by threats....I visit Colombia because I have met some amazing friends and go to Medellin all the time almost every three to four weeks.. Every country has different problems...
Need alittle help here...Juan Thanks..

Enjoy Life Life Corto..

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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juanalejo says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:18:

juan Although I think the kind of people you are talking about are from a specific nationality, I do think most of those that complain all day long have a specific personality problem, so just ignore them. I tend to do that and just once in a while I send a little message as I enjoy seeing their ignorant rages.

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pedro says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:22:

Threats = threads Read "threats" as "threads" and it makes more sense.

que nota!

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. says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:28:

Threat is like a content, my apologies if it was the wrong translaton.

Thanks

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. says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:31:

Pedro, yes, that is the word! I meant threads. I could not learn english and instead I forgot the spanish and italian. Therefore, I do not speak any language.

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tomtom33 says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:31:

Web It is always much better to bury one's head in the sand.

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rmykita says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:34:

First point wrong, Second point OK. It absolutely matters where we decide spend our dollars. It matters to us and our personal satisfaction, it matters to vendors who compete for us, and it matters for the sake of ideology and all the second-most-basic desires of human beings. We need them as much as they need us (buyer and seller) and we have every power to empower or weaken them. Every power. And if we use it, we will see Colombia rise or fall.

As far as international reactions to living in Colombia - look, we are just a hell of a lot more honest than Colombians! Also, much more dramatic and expressive which is to say that we spot things and point them out, and then, sadly, dramatize and exaggerate to be heard. We do everything we can to be heard, to seem informed and opinionated, whereas colombians avoid it with all their being. (Generally true). Just remember, there is an exaggeration/expression/fear factor that Americans in particular, and Internationals in general, have in describing almost anything - consumers of this knowledge know it, and understand that surely it 'cannot be that bad'.

Ryan

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rocinante says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:36:

juan p "Threats" in English are translated as "Las amenazas", so although your word choice is strong, your point is clear and well taken. It is clear because you used examples of "threats" in your post.

Your post is well thought out and your point is a common lament, or complaint. Your point is shared by many Colombian nationals who can read english that visit this website. Many of them get tired of coming here and reading the negative words about Colombia - so they leave and never come back.

There are many types of people in the world. Thankfully, there are people smart enough to figure things out for themselves and those are the people who understand the greatness of Colombia. There are others who have a different view and think Colombia is horrible. But both people are correct in their views because I believe views are personal.

Everything you post about can be applied to other coutries as well. There are people who live in Colombia who dislike their country and want to move and the same is in the US and other countries too.

Also it is human nature to think that one's own country and culture is the best. Why? because it is what we know and experience every day. The majority of Americans, the majority of Colombians, the majority of Japanese etc... have lived their whole lives in the country where they were born and where their parents were born. They will marry a someone from their country who lives close to them and the person they marry will share the same views on life, religion and politics.

We have had negative posts (threats) here on this website from Colombians and even Argentinians speaking poorly and incorrectly about someone else's country (the US in particular).

But the members on this website site are mostly North American men posting an a website about Colombia. So the law of averages say that you are going to read more negative posts about Colombia.

Lastly you are correct that a prominent way of thinking in the US is that "America is the greatest country, everyone depends on America, America constantly helps the whole world become better - as a reult everyone should all be thankful to America".

After the Industrial Revolution and then especially after World War II, America becoming a super power has caused an arrogance bordering on nationalistic supremacy towards the rest of the world.

Me? I'm living in Medellín 50% of the time and in three weeks I'm a permanent "resident". I love the people, the food, the lifestyle, the weather, the unity (more unity than in the US), and I have no problem with the crime (crime exists in all big cities) and I have no problem not being able to travel between big cities, if I choose, by roadway, because of the threat of la garilla.

I do have a problem with the quality of air in the large citie of Colombia and I can't wait until all the old smog spitting busses are off the streets.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 16, 2006, 05:48:

Geez, Juan, of course the inhabitants of PBSH are dysfunctional idiots and our posts reflect that fact. Some of us have STDs and maggots are eating away our brains, others are middle school kids bored in the library, others have Messianic complexes, others are frustrated Don Juans determined to mine the Eldorado of Third World women, etc. There are probably a few normal people but I doubt they post.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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CachacoNChicago says on Nov 16, 2006, 08:05:

No mi Culpa I recently posted in English about traveling to different cities in Colombia by car with an American and Colombian friend. It was not my intention to alienate any readers by giving the impression that my hard-earned dollars were more valuable than the hard-earned pesos of my relatives in Colombia. In the other hand, I would feel very responsible if I would expose my very liberal, perfect Spanish speaking (even with Mexican, Costeño, and Argentinian Accents - a freak show really!) gringo friend to a dangerous situation. If there is someone to be kidnapped is my Colombian friend. By the end of the day, they will offer us money to take her off their hands - just kidding. I love my cumbiambera!

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CachacoNChicago says on Nov 16, 2006, 08:18:

In the other hand... Read the post "Best Colombians" - I swear - reads almost like Colombia is a big whore house - Great! (sarcastically!! I am new here)

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. says on Nov 16, 2006, 08:55:

Did some one ask for coffee? because dongringo is around here ready to serve us! probably that will increase my self esteem.

Please do not put too much sugar as you did last time.

Get your tip, mate.

Cheers.

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. says on Nov 16, 2006, 09:05:

How ever, Mr. Don Gringo, where the hell I wrote...."I wish people who visit my country to be kpnapped and robbed". Your are really a senior liar! where did you learn that. Please put the link where i wrote that, so every one will see it!.

I feel sorry for you, you really do not know what to do, it must be frustrating for you!.

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webmanco says on Nov 16, 2006, 10:06:

DG I am starting to believe that you consider anyone who has different points of view than yours, as with low self esteem.

First Colombia is too dangerous, then Colombians do have low self steem.
(Big Laugh)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel says on Nov 16, 2006, 10:21:

Uff ¡Tanta pura F.M. aquí en este threat/thread!

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podborski says on Nov 16, 2006, 10:44:

just because someone says 'be careful in Colombia' and offers some advice on how to not be a prime target for thieves, pickpockets, extortionists, conmen etc., does not mean they 'hate' Colombia or think no one should go there.

OF COURSE there are dangers everywhere, not just in Colombia, but some of us here would like to minimize those dangers when we travel to unfamiliar places where we might not speak the language perfectly or know who is who, where to go, etc.

It's simple common sense information gathering that most experienced travellers undertake.

I've never seen people freak out so much about a little safety advice in a travel forum except here.

If someone asked me where not to go in my hometown of Toronto, I'd be happy to tell them, and wouldn't take it as some huge insult to my 'country'.

To ignore the fact that Colombia has been involved in the most deadly 'civil war' (for lack of a better term)in the western hemisphere over the last 40 years is to be completely ignorant.

That does NOT mean it's a total war zone and is unsafe to visit. Quite the opposite, I have said often that the dangers are exaggerated for a tourist (as opposed to an oil or mining company executive for example).

All some people here want to do is know how to visit this spectacular country in a reasonably safe way.

These people who claim to be 'defenders of colombia' who froth at the mouth when anyone says the most minor uncomplimentary thing do more to give me a bad opinion of colombians than the moronic mainstream media ever will.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 16, 2006, 11:03:

Not to belabor the obvious But the reason there are so many people talking about the good AND bad about Colombia here is because it's a COLOMBIA site. If you want to talk about how fucked up the USA is there are plenty of good sites for that.

I suggest www.fueragringos.com, www.americaeatshitanddie.com and others.

FWIW, I LOVE Colombia and all the good people and things there, but don't ask me to mince words when someone asks if it's perfectly safe or someone else says that nothing bad ever happens in Colombia, that it's all just bad press.

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Simon says on Nov 16, 2006, 11:56:

Great thread JuanPBadillo!!!

I also wonder why so many foreigners who are not obligated to live in or visit Colombia spend so much time bitching about Colombia. This is just a sign of a first class jerk.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 16, 2006, 12:36:

The US is the only place in the world where the Customer comes first, and Americans are spoiled by this. And it is the source of the arrogance many Americans display when visiting other countries. The withdrawal of one arrogant Americans patronage to a foreign restaurant will hardly be noticed. There will be plenty of respectful Americans to replace the spoiled one. Life goes on. And, when Americans react like a little spoiled child in public, it is a source of great humor to most Colombians. And it gives the wrong impression of Americans to many foreigners.

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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panthdave says on Nov 16, 2006, 12:51:

www.poorbuthappy.com/unitedstates Fair Game...Now.. We should have this site added Peter...You have India and Colombia so lets add United States...We can now have Fair Game on the United States..Everybody now will be happy..and we can have battles on both sides...This will be interesting..We can talk about foreigners coming to the United States...and bad things in the United States..

Does anybody see my point...?????We are one world...Lets stop complaining..Everybody in a way helps each other..Just like Colombians coming to Miami to shop for Christmas...If Miami did not have South American Business we would be dead..in the wind..If Colombia did not have North American Business (lets take out drugs and prostition please-Yes there is the same shit here in Miami drugs and prostitution so lets just take out illegal business)Colombia would be in the same shoes...probably more on the Miami side because we really depend on South Americans coming to Miami and Orlando..
Shit here in Miami we need to put Orange Decals on Highways signs so Tourists won't make the wrong turn into a bad neighberhood. We just had two parents and two little kids shot execution style in the back of there heads on the Florida Turnpike so there..bad things happen here too..

Love Colombia and Friends I have made in Medellin..I love the way of life.. Wish I could change and make a living there....Yes I live a dual city live Miami-Medellin but you know I love it..


panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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Qubo says on Nov 16, 2006, 13:15:

Can I interject here for one second I really enjoy this site and minus the quarrels it is very informative. Colombians need to understand alot of north americans will critic their country because they are looking out for tourist whether colombians(yes you colombians living in the states our tourist too), Brits, Canucks etc etc.

I can understand about some Colombians here tired of hearing some off the wall remarks but unfortunately this is going to happen. On that note, Panthdave, I was in miami and got lost in Liberty City at night and felt that the Grim Ripper was chasing my rental car but it was a cop that actually told us what the f were we doing there and we told him we were lost. The cop said we were definitely looking to get shot..LOL..we flew back on 95 and back to south beach..I have to say..some parts of Miami is danergous with the capital D....

Moral of the story is there are safe places and not so safe places everywhere. I think some you guys need a hug..

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Panda says on Nov 16, 2006, 14:25:

we are alll the same some colombians are very patriotic and get offended very easily when something negative is said about the country(even if it is a fact). I assume they are the very people who when they go abroad all they do is say how unimpressed they are and how everything is much better back home. don't get me wrong, i am a colombian and i think my country is not that bad(or is it?) but i also think that the fact that people from other contries go to visit or even to settle down in Colombia can only benefit the country. Yes, their dollars are most welcomed, as are our pesos, pounds, euros and yens when in the U.S
what really is messing up the world now is division and silly patriotism and failure to accept that in the end we are all the same.

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juanalejo says on Nov 16, 2006, 15:01:

Panda You are absolutely right, the problem begins when you have the same lot of people who day in and day out complain of everything (not somethings) Colombian. Then you have people like me who post when I think things are not the way they say, you may not see me posted negative things as I think there plenty of things said out here. But what gets me, is when you have those who like Miguel said in another site, have an agenda and they clearly make up stories to try and proof their scary point of view.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 16, 2006, 15:33:

Of course, Juan, I make up everything I post here. Which is why it's hilarious when guys like Snr Medellin-Londres get all pissed off about the nonsense that I've posted. Basura pura.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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juanalejo says on Nov 16, 2006, 15:35:

UC I was not even refering about you, but like I have said before.......el que le caiga el guante.........que se lo chante.

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goin_south says on Nov 16, 2006, 18:07:

Actually, M_C, I don't know where you are from, but I think you should rethink; Obviously, you have never managed your own business. You say:

The US is the only place in the world where the Customer comes first, and americans are spoiled by this? And it's the source of American arrogance?

I fail to see your logic or lack of it. When the rest of the world learns that principle, they will have more of all the things they desire so much. Putting customers first, is uh.... one of the big keys to success in business, in case the rest of the world hasn't learned yet. Some places and people have, and some have not. And, the ones that have will have those people coming back for more and more business.

It's a pretty simple principle. And, until you or they 'get it', then they or you will likely continue to wallow in the throws of failure and 'lack'.

Otherwise, go live in a communist/socialist country and see then that no one cares whether you return to their place of business and they conduct it so that you surely will not want to, because they have no incentive to make it desirable for your return.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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goin_south says on Nov 16, 2006, 18:12:

Go ahead and bash those in America or elsewhere, over the principle of 'excellence in service, for greater success'. You (whoever you are) will be the loser, until you recognize otherwise. It's why american still is a leader worldwide in so many things: America Knows Excellence. Damned straight. Customer service to the T. Alot of the rest of the world can still learn from this.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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webmanco says on Nov 16, 2006, 18:36:

Rubito
they should be grateful

No one should be gratefull, business is an exchange of goods or services. In most places it takes more than money to be well served.

A pig with money has not right to demand good service if he comes as well with pig's manners.

And that was reflected in Colombia when "new rich" people though they ruled Colombia, and will enter restaurants and night clubs without reserving, and just because they got money to throw away, they will demmand a table already taken by a family, if their money would not get them the table, then some of them will threaten the business owners and customers.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 16, 2006, 19:59:

Galecito..you are out in left field, my friend....I do own 2 businesses in Colombia, both are doing quite well as i dont even dip in to my excellent government pension at all, thank you very much, and i repeat, Americans are Spoiled with a Capital S. The arrogance of many Americans is downright disgusting and embarrassing at times. When i witness it in Colombia, i have no problems whatsoever in verbally putting my fellow Americans in their place, and introducing a little manners. These people give the rest of us a bad reputation, and i give them a little reality check every now and then, and not only in Colombia. You say the sooner the rest of the world "gets it", all will be bliss. Yep, only in america can an idiot clumsily spill hot coffee on themselves and sue the restaurant for not telling her that hot coffe is hot. Yep, the rest of the world really needs to learn that. I think the reverse is true. The US can keep their whiney, snot-nosed self-proclaimed "Bill Gates-like" customers, and if the rest of the world can prevent your "Golden Principle" from spreading like a cancer, that is fine with me. if i lose an obnoxious asshole as a customer, there will be plenty of respectful ones to replace the moron. You must think that if you withhold your money from a business, the business will collapse. What kind of businesses in foreign countries have you owned/managed? What works in the USA will not always work in other countries and cultures, BTW....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:04:

Miguel_C... I was not talking about the obnoxious customer, but I was talking about the business owner who thinks that EXCELLENCE IN CUsTOMER SERVICE is unimportant or insignificant...

If you conduct your business where ever it is ... in some other fashion, then I feel sorry for you.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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goin_south says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:06:

..... you and your left-field diversion. You need to come in towards ... the pitchers mound to get a better view of reality.

"Tengo mucha compasión para el loro."

As Juanpbadillo says: If I get deleted, then W...T....F.....!

Miguel_C...Have a great weekend.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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goin_south says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:26:

Ohhhhh, what a night. PBsH, at it's finest.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:34:

Whosssssssss your daddy now, Galeceeetooool....?? hahahha....biachh...dont like the opinions of others with whom you dont agree? Tough shit, Elliot.....deal with it.!

..besos!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:35:

and i will be sure to take your business advise as well...NOT! Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 16, 2006, 23:51:

In my businesses the customer does not kiss my ass, nor i theirs and guess what? never had a problem and repeat customers, the quality ones that i want, always return..mutual respect is amazing in action......but, then again, i dont do restaurants...maybe that is what you are referring to.....but for me,not enough profit margin in them....i run these businesses just for something to do, not because i need the income to live.....and it is not hard to do...i have the luxury, and quite often i do excerise the option, not to take the money of alot of people, and turn down their offers...because i dont need or want their bullshit......But you are entitled to think what you want, as i am as well. But do have the anger management issue looked at...as nothing in my post was meant to be an insult to you....maybe it was the reference to left field, maybe? hardly an insult....But if fired upon, i return fire...its the nature of the beast.....=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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. says on Nov 17, 2006, 06:05:

Rubito I have a Company in Colombia, and I would like you work for me, I need some one like you, some one able to kiss my clients' shoes, and I know you will do a good job. I offer you 1'000.000 colombian pesos a month that is about 83,000 colombian pesos more than the usual salary I pay for auxiliars. Your job is to show your ass kisser skills, just that, very easy for a propessional ass socker like you!. The reason why we need you, is because no one at my company does it, the rule is...the client pay us and we give them a service, if they do not like it, they can look for another company. At the end of the day, there are always people looking for having business with us. And we are succeful!

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Pappassito says on Nov 17, 2006, 06:51:

Most of us go to relax... and enjoy the culture,not to abuse anyone,just be treated like everyone else. On one hand,yes,you will get gringos who will be buttholes,but you meet some colombians who can be as well.. And,many times we run into the "gringo tax".. What`s up with that?? Webmanco,speaking of pigs with pig manners,yes,I have seen gringos behave terribly,I hate that. The pig you also speak of can be seen in the form of rich narcos in resturants & clubs in various cities in colombia. And the staffs of these places fall all over themselves to please,ignoring other clients. That`s something to be seen often there,but in not in most places here,we don`t put up with that. We enjoy freedoms in colombia that we don`t have anymore here in the US. People are people...

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. says on Nov 17, 2006, 07:54:

I am lucky because all the gringos I know in Colombia are great guys.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 17, 2006, 08:07:

Is it okay is it okay if I change my PBH handle to "propessional ass socker"?

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. says on Nov 17, 2006, 08:26:

Well, I would do it for money. But must be a goooooood money

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2006, 09:26:

M_C; it sounds like you never 'see' a customer. I can tell though, you're a customer friendly sort of guy.

"Tengo mucha compasión para el loro."

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2006, 09:30:

I'm happy to say (since this is a site about Colombia) that I have been privileged to have some very excellent service rendered while in Colombia. Very Excellent. Maybe you can observe and learn, even from Los Colombianos.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 17, 2006, 09:39:

Oh contrare, G...both are all face-to-face enviroments. I dont need to be such a person, although i do go out of my way to provide what i promise.....i just dont agree with your principle that the Customer is ALWAYS right, especially when he is wrong. Thanks for your advice, but i will continue to do what works and is respectful to all involved in a professional business enviroment.

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2006, 09:54:

...don't believe I ever said "the customer is always right'' Just promoting the fact that striving for Excellence in Customer service and satisfaction is a damned good thing, and would be a good thing to be spread worldwide. Would make the world a better and happier place, and also increase profits for all. No doubt about it.

and, you're right; farc sucks, and so does the ELN.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 17, 2006, 10:05:

Hmmmmm,,,,,no argument there....my original statement in this was that in the US only, the customer is always right, if you care to read my post. I was suggesting to those who throw baby temper tantrums if they dont get their way should stay in the USA, and not leave it. Other countries such outbursts are considered childish, humourous, and a little immature. I agree that striving for excellence in Customer service is a good thing. So what are we arguing over? =)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 17, 2006, 13:49:

My sentiments exactly, Tinto. Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 17, 2006, 20:12:

Music is different, though Rubito, I think you live in a very strange world, namely that of the NYC music scene.

I made a point about 10 years ago to get rid of every single pain-in-the-ass client (this is in a professional services/consulting gig, though, not retail). If you were a diva, adios. I took a small hit initially but then my career skyrocketed because, by focusing on the rewarding and positive clients, I was able to do much better work and accomplish really good things. And good people tend to refer you to other good people, wherease PITAS just refer you to other PITAS.

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billyb says on Nov 17, 2006, 20:32:

Mr. H, We've had a similar experience... at my company. We did an analisys of how much time/effort/labor we spent on each customer and found that the primadonnas were sucking up so much of our resources that although providing income they were draining us and not paying that much more for the extra services they demanded (and no matter what, they wern't satisfied). When their contracts were up, we decided not to renegotiate and cast them loose. At first we took a financial hit, but with the freed recources, we were able to provide better service to our "good" customers and concentrate on aquiring new ones and are now doing better than ever.

BillyB

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2006, 00:12:

excellent points by Mr H and bb.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)...(TEMPORARY NAME CHANGE: RUNNIN_NORTH! JEJE!!!)

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jinksmiester says on Dec 15, 2006, 18:12:

im canadian and run a small hotel and ive always told my staff that customers are the life blood of our business....be they rich or poor everyone gets treated with respect and dignity.i,ll go out of my way to treat customers good...this is not just an american thing...its common sense.one person leaving feeling he had a bad exsperience at my establishment can do a lot of damage talking about it to others.by the same token people saying good things helps.i recently had customers come to my restaurant 3 times in one evening searching for a seat to have dinner...the third time i had a table..when they left that night i apoligized for not having seating and sent them away with gift certificates so the next time they came in dinner was on me.when they did come back three weeks later it was with several others....this is the way i run my business and why it is profitable..i care about my customers...thats how i can afford to visit colombia 4 or 5 times a year...non of this has anything to do with arrogance..it has to do with smart business ...and that is everywhere...not just north america

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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jinksmiester says on Dec 15, 2006, 18:17:

im canadian and run a small hotel and ive always told my staff that customers are the life blood of our business....be they rich or poor everyone gets treated with respect and dignity.i,ll go out of my way to treat customers good...this is not just an american thing...its common sense.one person leaving feeling he had a bad exsperience at my establishment can do a lot of damage talking about it to others.by the same token people saying good things helps.i recently had customers come to my restaurant 3 times in one evening searching for a seat to have dinner...the third time i had a table..when they left that night i apoligized for not having seating and sent them away with gift certificates so the next time they came in dinner was on me.when they did come back three weeks later it was with several others....this is the way i run my business and why it is profitable..i care about my customers...thats how i can afford to visit colombia 4 or 5 times a year...non of this has anything to do with arrogance..it has to do with smart business ...and that is everywhere...not just north america

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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jinksmiester says on Dec 15, 2006, 18:20:

im canadian and run a small hotel and ive always told my staff that customers are the life blood of our business....be they rich or poor everyone gets treated with respect and dignity.i,ll go out of my way to treat customers good...this is not just an american thing...its common sense.one person leaving feeling he had a bad exsperience at my establishment can do a lot of damage talking about it to others.by the same token people saying good things helps.i recently had customers come to my restaurant 3 times in one evening searching for a seat to have dinner...the third time i had a table..when they left that night i apoligized for not having seating and sent them away with gift certificates so the next time they came in dinner was on me.when they did come back three weeks later it was with several others....this is the way i run my business and why it is profitable..i care about my customers...thats how i can afford to visit colombia 4 or 5 times a year...non of this has anything to do with arrogance..it has to do with smart business ...and that is everywhere...not just north america

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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randdanr says on Dec 15, 2006, 23:53:

Beautiful Colombia I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Colombia, like every single country in the world has some wonderful positives about both living and also visiting there. It also, like every other country in the world has some negative thigs about living and visiting there. I hate to disillusion people but there is no such place as Utopia (well Australia comes close but even we havea thorn in the side. It's called a Conservative government run by John Howard !!!! But thats a different story.... LOL ) Relax people. enjoy the good and great things about Colombia and if possible, try to fix some of the negatives..... There, thats my 2 cents worth.... MArk in Houston

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