They're both evil

kalder says on Oct 3, 2008, 04:43:

Grieving family of an AUC victim, Arauca.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 3, 2008, 05:38:

i agree to me one is as bad as the other, i don't have any sympathy for none of those two.

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webmanco says on Oct 3, 2008, 05:40:

De los dos grupos, y otros, no sale ninguno bueno.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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manINred says on Oct 3, 2008, 05:43:

Agreed, however, statistically the AUC is worse than the FARC. By worse I mean has committed many more human rights atrocities.

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sanandressi says on Oct 3, 2008, 07:09:

The AUC however, has put down their guns in Uribe's quest to pacify Colombia. The FARC had every opportunity to do PEACE with Andres Pastrana and the lied and continnued to attack small towns and kill civilians.

The AUC only grew out of the inability of the government to stop the violence. M-19 put down their guns.

The FARC leaders are getting exactly what they deserve. I support URIBE and so do what? p of Colombians?

"This train will stop in Tucumcari"

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sanandressi says on Oct 3, 2008, 07:10:

Seventy percent of Colombians support URIBE and his efforts. Kat1 Is the road to Villavo from Bogota safer than it was 6 years ago?

"This train will stop in Tucumcari"

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ujay says on Oct 3, 2008, 07:11:

i think we need the usa to put down their guns.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 3, 2008, 07:18:

much safer, i think on the whole Uribe has made the country safer.

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kalder says on Oct 3, 2008, 07:32:

Yes, he has. He's a flawed man, but he's done a good job with the security situation.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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quantum says on Oct 3, 2008, 08:37:

Am in agreement with the general consensus here. Los dos son egual malos. El problema ahora es que aparentamente, los paramilitares estan reformandose. Si eso es cierto, entonces, para que serve los billiones de $ de E.U?? Y no deja con una gran pregunta. Uribe es serio de controlar los paramilitares tambien o no?

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 3, 2008, 08:55:

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 3, 2008, 08:58:

"The AUC however, has put down their guns in Uribe's quest to pacify Colombi"

Yeah right. You don't really believe this do you? They may have officially put down their arms, but they are still quite active, just not under the AUC name.

I hate the FARC as much as anyone since they have a nasty habit of bombing my family's neighborhoods and towns, but the paras are just as bad if not worse.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 3, 2008, 09:25:

i'm with you, CG...any body believing that the paras have laid down their arms, still believes the tooth fairy is president of colombia.

when we had our bar in llano grande, the freaks (paras) took 12 young boys outta the catholic school and shot them in front of their class mates and the sisters. nice, eh? little kids. this was in la ceja....i ain't been in la ceja since. that's where the constabulary of castano live. most of their works make the farc look timid in comparison.

now, they're just more dope dealers like the ones they originally set out to fight. the worst part is they're in bed with the rich, the military/police and high levels of government. pity.

dwmte

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Sonny says on Oct 3, 2008, 11:36:

ujay
Why are you so anti American? Are you just having a bad day again? Or did you put your bra on backwards and it fit better? What? If the USA put it's guns down there would be no place for you to write because the words Freedon of Speech that we all enjoy would go away.
I can only wonder what the USA did to YOU that makes you so against us?
Maybe this is just your personality.

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quantum says on Oct 3, 2008, 16:40:

Sonny, here I am again, your best friend. Has it ever occured to your right wing brain why so many people out there are anti american, including many americans living abroad? You apparently are one of thoze who still cling to the illusion that the good ole U.S. of A. is out there fighting for truth, justice and democracy. I know it must be painful for you to confront the current reality that the U.S. is not what it purports to be. I dont like it either Sonny. I would much rather think like u do, but the facts demand otherwise. It doesnt mean that there arent many great Americans out there. It doesnt mean we still dont have great academic institutions. It doesnt mean we dont have geniuses out there in their garages tinkering away on some new cutting edge concept. It does mean that we have lost the moral imperative. We are no longer seen as the guy wearing the white hat. Our govt. has been coopted by special interest group with a private agenda. I too think it a grand idea for the U.S. to put down its guns and pick up the plowshares. We got a lot of fixin to do in our home court. So much so that we cant afford the luxury of thinking about how to fix anything else anywhere outside of our own boundaries. Nice talkin witchya..........

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dwmte7 says on Oct 3, 2008, 17:14:

regime change starts at home.

dwmte

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 4, 2008, 00:36:

So one guy thinks ujay is "anti American", and the next guy thinks ujay is "clinging onto the illusion of the good ole USA."

It looks like ujay was deleted - but I still don't get how back to back posts could have opposite points of view about the same person.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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quantum says on Oct 4, 2008, 06:43:

Read more closely Roberto. First post was referring to Ujay and the second to Sonny. Whats the problem. U have trouble focusing?

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 06:48:

im not anti American,never have been ,i love going there,i had a place in maimi,my kids went to uni in michigan.
im anti American whitehouse,congress.its F/P.
NOT ITS PEOPLE.

and there is no more true red white and blue,than gringoloid ,so ask him.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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tomtom33 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 4, 2008, 06:50:

rocinante says on Oct 4, 2008, 07:01:

Also the problem is that the viewer's eyes have changed. This bad view of the world comes at a certain age for most people. Suddenly they wake up one day and the world is shit, atrocities to the left and to the right. Yet these things were going on the whole time. It's just that when you're 23 you don't really notice recessions, wars and other crap AS MUCH as you do when you're 50. Who cares about healthcare at 23? Who cares about foreign currency movements or the GDP or what's going on in Palestine when you're 23? But when your 23 all these things, good and bad exist.

Also when you're 23 the music of the time is the best.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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dwmte7 says on Oct 4, 2008, 07:46:

damn, roci...i'm pushing 70, and i still don't care. where have i gone wrong?

dwmte

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 08:06:

Del smith was here,hes 78,still working for Boeing investigating accidents.
He talked me into going to his friends place in carbon St lucus,when I got there it was a 7 floor mansion set into the mountains,his friend was the owner of capt jacks restaurants you got over there,his son Timmy was at the bulls ,he turned up with that nuttier than nuts , Dennis rodman .
Any way del says all the time, no one in his family has died under 98 ,so hes got years ,when he left here my office girl Stella 29, left with him ,the old bugger , so you still got time to find out dwmte.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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dwmte7 says on Oct 4, 2008, 08:29:

thanks, ujay......i must admit, there's no shortage of youth in my innerds. i'll still push the cart to the edge and party like i shouldn't...however, ole brother ass (as st. francis referred to his body) is a little less forgiving, having his proper aches and pains.

goin south is relentlessly referring to me in veiled words as a party pooper....i suppose in part that's true, night flyin has become--for the most part--a thing of the past. however, when back home in llano grande, with the aid of some party favors, i'm still known to spin the night. a fox might change his hole, but never changes habits...so i'm told.

dwmte

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sanandressi says on Oct 4, 2008, 09:37:

Our American politicans are a representation of us whether you like it or not. We vote them in and out. Mostly in and in and in.... However, I cannot understand why Sarah Palin is getting so much heat because she is the Washington outsider and the one who is most like "we the people".

Why would so many from so far want to come to America legally or illegally if the United States is so horrible? 2,000 illegals crossing the Mexican border every night according to Spanish television Univision. (Are they counting heads LOL?)

"This train will stop in Tucumcari"

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sanandressi says on Oct 4, 2008, 09:40:

I think the positive thing, under URIBE, is that many people have had their weapons removed from their hands both FARC and AUC. Some peacefully and some by force. Can that be a bad thing?

Colombia must have one central form of govvernment and authority and not 3 or 11.

"This train will stop in Tucumcari"

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 10:37:

Sarah Palin may not have been as sharp as Biden but let me offer this to all. She has been in political office for a very short period of time. In the debate she held her own against a man that has been in political office over half of his life. She should NOT have been able to even stand on the same platform as Biden but she did and given this as a factor, one can only think about how strong she could be in a few years. Then maybe put Biden and Palin together again and deside. All I can do is vote. I win some and I loose some but I GET TO VOTE without a gun to my head.
I wish we had a new set of politicans available to us here. The press has had to much free hand to drag up any and everything about a man, woman, children, past, present, and even predict the future. In some countries if this happened you would loose your life. It makes it hard for anyone with any ambition to put their selves and families in that kind of spotlignt. No one person can make the changes necessary but as a whole can. Uribe has done a great job. is he perfect? No and never will be. The USA is not perfect but having been to many countries I can say that each time I return home I thank GOD I am an American and have a choice and a voice. My heart is here and in Colombia because I believe in them both. I did not mean for this to sound political rather just my feelings and not intended to insult or hurt anyone or any country. I AM AN AMERICAH AND PROUD. I am 62 years old

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kalder says on Oct 4, 2008, 10:56:

"Also when you're 23 the music of the time is the best."

Not when I was 23.

'Kajagoogoo' anyone?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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davidslc46 says on Oct 4, 2008, 12:43:

" Sonny, here I am again, your best friend. Has it ever occured to your right wing brain why so many people out there are anti american, including many americans living abroad? You apparently are one of thoze who still cling to the illusion that the good ole U.S. of A. is out there fighting for truth, justice and democracy."

Hey,

USA will have a black man president, or a female vice president this year and so why don't you look at the bigger picture. If the citizens of the USA want to change the direction of the country, they will.

We have heard all this negative stuff about how the USA is hated by everyone including many Americans, but one thing is pretty clear, who you gonna call for help? russia?

The same kind of negativity is evident in posts that are clearly anti Uribe, but Colombians can change the course of their country if they desire and again, who you gonna call for help? chavez?

Just because you are sincere doesn't make you right.

Thank God for countries that do allow the people to choose the direction their country will go in.

Iraq is an example as well, probably not all that democratic, probably the USA was guilty of many oversteps and abuse. ( I don't claim to understand these things as well as many of you on both sides of the arguements ) but when the people in Iraq decided that enough was enough, that was enough to get them on a path to more security and less violence. The surge clearly gave them them the security they needed to beable to risk stepping up and exercising their will. Seems to me that Uribe has created his own little surge and that the Colombian people in relative security can now determine the direction they want their country to go in.

I am pretty simple, and it looks as if FARC is dying not so much because of Uribe but because the will of the people. Oh I am sure it will make it more dangerous in other areas of South America where FARC is allowed to freely function, but Americans face those pressures in many parts of the world everyday since taking a stand against extremists. Had we been nice and negotiated with our adversaries who only seek to destroy us, do you really think we would have been safer?

Someday I hope Colombia will be a place where the police act as police should act and that policies will be in place to prevent the atrosities that are spoken about. But soldiers are trained to kill their adversaries and every soldier has the potential for the very worst in human behavior.

Somehow I just can't get to the point of believing that FARC is working towards an elimination of atrosities and human rights violations.

Both Bush and Uribe inherited severe problems with internal security. Neither of them is perfect, but they are far from evil.

I am not right wing, but I appreciate the fact that if I was an extremist, I would not want Bush or Uribe in power.

Peace,

David

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 13:33:

davidslc46

You apparently are one of thoze who still cling to the illusion that the good ole U.S. of A. is out there fighting for truth, justice and democracy."

I guess that I must admit that I believe in the American way of life. But...........an Illusion?? I think not. I am a Decorated Viet Nam vet.

2 of The Six Articles of The Code of Conduct

I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way
of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom,
responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my
country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America

When you live by this you believe in this. It means that we also believe in the rights of other to live and receive the same thing that we enjoy here. Is it an Illusion?? To me it is the principal by which we live. Now I can retire to a country that this principal has carried over to.
COLOMBIA and in Medellin a city that 20 years ago was run by people that made money by selling drugs, kidnapping, murder, rap, and anything else that they felt the need to do. Now look at it. It is safer there then many cities here in the USA. Who helped it to become a place of freedom without the fear of death daily? The people did this with the help of others coming together to rid themselves of something very bad and turn it into something very good. THE PEOPLE. An Illusion?? I think not.
Just my opinion and not intended to offend of insult anyone or any place

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 13:42:

It means that we also believe in the rights of other to live and receive the same thing that we enjoy here. Is it an Illusion??

YES.
ASK A MEXICAN
A CUBAN
AFR AMER

http://www.jukelightning.com

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quantum says on Oct 4, 2008, 14:29:

Neither Bush nor Uribe evil, hey? Maybe not Uribe, hes more of a pragmatist trying to solve problems in the best way he can, but Bush, while maybe not evil persay, is certainly a dodo and is tied into one of Americas great crime families. Sonny, I appreciate where yur comin from, I too was in Vietnam, but unlike u am not proud of it. I was only 18 when they sent me over there, and the more I learned about what was goin on, the more I realized what a sham I was part of. Remember this was the era that Bob Dylan was writing songs like "Blowin in the Wind" and "Hey Mr. Tamborine Man" and "its a Hard Rain Gonna Fall". American govt. imperialistic meddling has been goin on for a long time, but if anything, what with superior communications, advanced weaponry, and more cooperation amongst the elite of the world, it has gotten worse in recent history. My roots go deep in north america, because my grandmother was Cherokee indian. My mothers ancestors were among the first arrivals in New England. I think I have right to speak my mind. And my mind says that we have been mislead for quite a long time now. And not only have we been mislead, but we have mislead the rest of the world. It brings to mind a biblical quote, (and Im not religious in the conventional sense) " and the whole world will wonder after the image of the beast". If it wasnt intended to refer to the great world power of this era, then it might just as well, cuz it fits perfectly. We may end up with a black president, or a female vice president, but it doesnt really matter, cuz its all a facade, all theatre. They will be working for the same taskmasters, one way or another. Obama is intelligent and speaks well and will be able to comprehend the complexities of any given problem, but he will never the less be taking his marching orders from on high. Palin is a joke, and has no bizness running the local charity fund raiser. do u realize that if she had her way, all the great books (most anyway) of the last 200 yrs would be banned from the public library system of Alaska? She must have won the election in Alaska the way they do here in Panama. Whoever buys the natives the most guaro, (cheap rum) wins. I am so disgusted with the current politcal state of affairs I have lost faith completely. There is nobody to vote for. You can write in Ron Paul or Ralph Nader or your own name and do so in good conscience. Because the American politcal system has lost all credibility. It kept up a modicum of appearence for quite a long time, but has finally achieved the enviable result of rendering itself pure "showbiz" How many of you are going to fall for it??????

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 16:01:

quantum,
i could not have said it better my self,
have a nice evening.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 4, 2008, 17:43:

I know what you mean truthspeaker. But I refuse to argue over who the greater evil is - FARC or paras. That's like arguing over who was more evil, Hitler or Stalin. Doesn't matter, they were both scum.

In my opinion, the emphasis should be put on anti-corruption in the government. Being a gringo, I guess I am guilty of throwing rocks around my glass house for making that comment.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 17:54:

with hitler,he did tell you he was coming,
bush wants to bomb you for what he thinks you may do ,
how can you defend your self agianst that.

i think your going to be drink driving next week ,so i give you a ticket now.the bush way.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 4, 2008, 18:24:

So Hitler told the Poles back in '38 he was coming? Or the Soviets back in '40 or so that he was going to renig on a treaty and try and take Moscow and Stalingrad?

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 18:26:

yes ,not his problem ,the poles dont speak german.

Vorsprung durch Technik i think it was.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 18:47:

ujay
Vorsprung durch Technik= Advantage through technology.

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 18:49:

see,no wonder they started off winning.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 20:29:

ujay,
Your words speak much of you. The key here is they started "OFF" winning. But........like many others before them they too failed. Welcome to our country. I hope your child got a good Education at a University here in the states.

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 20:37:

started is what i said ,cant you read,

but today ,

germany every one free health usa 50 million with none and rising

autoban unlimited usa 60mph
and the list goes on and on ,
no one dislikes the germans today.Vorsprung durch Technik

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 20:53:

Ujay
You can always move to Germany and get your FREE health care. You may be surprised to find out that there is indeed a speed limit for the autobahn now.

"The German news reports that the German state of Bremen has imposed a speed limit of 120 kilometers per hour (75 miles per hour) on the autobahn connecting Bremerhaven and Bremen. Until yesterday, only this 11-kilometer stretch of superhighway had no speed limit, just like the rest of Germany's legendary autobahns."

I would suggest that before you move there learn to spell autobahn . Can't you read?? Autobahn 75 USA 70.

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Sonny says on Oct 4, 2008, 21:03:

Ujay
Something else for you to read and you write incorrect statements on this site.

"germany every one free health usa 50 million with none and rising"


Health Care in Germany
David G. Green, Ben Irvine and Ben Cackett (2005)

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With the exception of about 2 million permanent civil servants, and the self-employed, Germans who earn below Euro 3,862 gross salary per month in 2004 MUST join one of the 300 statutory sickness funds. Those above the mandatory insurance threshold may opt out of the state system and buy private insurance instead but many opt to remain in the state system - 10 per cent of the population are voluntarily insured.

German sickness funds are required to be financially self-sufficient and premiums are set as a percentage of income. This percentage varies from fund to fund, with an average of 14 per cent, to fall to 13 per cent under Schroeder reforms. The premiums are deducted from pay packets with employer and employee paying half each.

Healthcare in Germany Q: How is the healthcare system funded?

A: Until they reach the retirement age of 65, people must, by law, pay into health insurance plans (and, since 1994, an additional long-term care plan). The health insurance plans are either state-regulated or private. After retirement, contribution payments for the state-regulated plans stop (although private patients continue payments), but coverage is continued until death.



Did I miss something? Where did it say FREE.????
The list goes on right?

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 21:08:

i beginning to wonder about you,

i was in germany 8 weeks for the world cup ,i got family all over it .

some sections now feature nighttime and wet-weather speed restrictions, and trucks are always regulated Still, about two-thirds of the Autobahn network has no speed permanent limit, although there is always an advisory limit of 130 km/h (81 mph).

you ever been there,no good google then just put the 1st one you find,
go on couchsurf.com put my name in ,on the page you will see about 40 photos of germany .
and i dont think my english is to bad ,but you want try write in Spanish or walsh and lets see.

your not doing to good with your googling are you.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Oct 4, 2008, 21:17:

and dont google health,
its free ,24 hours a day ,and i can even talk to my doctor now on line .

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/

kat1 has already post all about how free it is .

and watch sicko.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 5, 2008, 01:21:

"Free" healthcare in Germany. JAJAJAJAJAA Give me a break Ujay. My dad's brothers pay in excess of 45% of their income to pay for crap including their "free health care". Actually, I think I am wrong. I think their taxes are in the 55% range.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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ujay says on Oct 5, 2008, 04:00:

your right rob ,but 45% is top ,but to be paying this you are doing well ,250,000.00 EU
345,187.06 USD,so your dads brothers are in the top .
most pay around 15% any one earning around i think 10.000 dollars pay no tax at all ,the uk is this so germany is about the same ,plus germany last year was 25% but it lowered in 2008.same as uk.
so its 15% on 75,000 dollars ,as most are around this mark.

but if you have never seen the film sicko ,go watch it .its all about this .
http://www.watch-movies.net/s/sicko.html

you can see it here worth a look,

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Sonny says on Oct 5, 2008, 06:26:

Ujay,
ich habe 4 Jahre in Frankfort verbracht und hat viele Freunde dort auch. Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut wegen gegangen zu werden für so lang aber ich weiß, dass das Tempolimit in fast der ganzen deutschen Autobahn in Ort für Sicherheitsgründe gestellt worden ist. Ich musste meine medizinische Versicherung bezahlen, während dort in der Form von Steuern aber nicht das weniger ich bezahlt habe. Es ist gut, einen Fehler zu machen, aber Sie scheinen zu denken, dass Sie alles kennen. Ich möchte ein Freund sein aber Sie sind so Negativ gelegentlich es nur wird ärgert, das zu lesen, „ich kenne alles, das Sie hier aufstellen“ gelegentlich. Ihre Beleidigungen und Sprache dienen keinem Zweck. Hat einen guten Tag

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ujay says on Oct 5, 2008, 07:43:

SONNY,
you may well be right ,
But you have to still be open to the possibility that although some things may seem negative ,in another light they may just well be positive,
And then sonny ,you have to understand I put a lot of shit as well,
Most in fun ,but never in anger.
And I can not be questioned ,I know every thing there is to know about nothing,

Like I know why rain always falls down.

Why when your in the rain you get wet

Also did you know ,
Its raining ,you see some one ran across the road as not to get wet ,
But if you walk across you don't get as wet as the one that ran , yes that's a fact .
Any way my friend nice post ,
Have a nice day sonny.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Sonny says on Oct 5, 2008, 08:08:

ujay

Thanks, you have a great day also

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dwmte7 says on Oct 5, 2008, 08:42:

ya'll know what? everyone can (and should) have a nice day...nay, wonderful day. and moreover, it doesn't cost anything....imagine, it's free.

soooooo, live it up, smiling.

dwmte

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davidslc46 says on Oct 5, 2008, 21:21:

I do appreciate the civil responses and I admit I still get wooed a little singing the national anthem and looking at the flag. Some very good people paid in full so that flag can hang freely.

Sorry that the racial issues exist but to claim that the USA is still predominantly racist like it's roots is not supported by the statistics. Obama may win because many americans are wanting to see a blackman in the white house.

And I will always believe that Bush did not pick two black Secretary of States because they were black. He may have been secretly rooting for them to suceed as blacks as many whites do. And it isn't white guilt. I believe you want it because it is the morally right thing to do.

It is the liberal democrat who I predict will say all the right politically correct things in the area of race and then secretly harbor racial hangups and predjudices.

But mostly speculation on my part like most of your comments. My point remains that it is the will of the people in free countries that determines the direction of the country not the president.

Peace,

David

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2008, 04:53:

Very good David. Well written. At least we have a choice

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ujay says on Oct 6, 2008, 09:11:

where was this choice,
from what i read ,the votes were rigged,bush lost ,he never won.
so how come hes in the white house.

you should have all voted for the best man for the job,
fidel castro.

i pled the 5th. and im going to buy a mini ozie and a gatlin gun so the 1st as well

http://www.jukelightning.com

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davidslc46 says on Oct 6, 2008, 13:31:

Ujay,

The people in the USA can change the political system if there is enough of a desire. We could also have alternative fuel options in place if we cared enough to do so. You read Bush stole it from Gore in 2000. Well he must have stole it again in 2008.

Now it seems that you think that one of the two presidential contenders will steal it again in 2004.

I don't claim to know much about the electoral college that allowed Bush to win in 2000, But I think most peoples claims about the lack of freedom or opportunity in the USA are pretty exagerated.

Peace!

David

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2008, 15:50:

UJAY

"But you have to still be open to the possibility that although "some" things may seem negative ,in another light they may just well be positive,
And then sonny ,you have to understand I put a lot of shit as well,
Most in fun ,but never in anger.
And I can not be questioned ,I know every thing there is to know about nothing,"

There is very little you have to say that is positive or true. You are the king/queen of insult. You have made it to the top of the Crap Pile

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Mongo says on Oct 6, 2008, 18:02:

I beg to differ Sonny. I say he's on the bottom of the crap pile.

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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dwmte7 says on Oct 6, 2008, 19:00:

david...my compliments. you express yourself like a gentleman. you can disagree without being either disagreeable nor insulting. many on this site could take hints from your style.

thank you,
douglas

dwmte

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