There's a rumble going down, and gentlemen, you are invited...

lochdhu says on Jun 9, 2007, 22:36:

CA you still trolling to start a debate? best thing to do is just ignore her guys, women really hate that.


www.SantaMarta.com

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 9, 2007, 22:43:

Yeah Loch whatever. Lets take it outside ... or forever hold your peace.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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goin_south says on Jun 9, 2007, 22:55:

oh, boy! what fun ;(

Voy para del Sur

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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lochdhu says on Jun 9, 2007, 23:44:

*yawn*

*yawn*

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Jun 9, 2007, 23:58:

¿Eres una 'drama queen'? .

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billyb says on Jun 10, 2007, 00:21:

Against my best instincts, I'm going to reply... after all, I've had a few drinks (as you obviously have also). Carita, I try to like you, but what is your problem? Is your BF not paying you enough attention?

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Wastelandlive says on Jun 10, 2007, 00:49:

And she claims to live in Barranquilla. A little too much time on your hands A?

Wow. A blog all about you, and your amazing, insightful, and revolutionary perspective on the battle between the sexes and the developing world...

Do you have a cat? Will you blog about the cat, too?

Wasteland

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billyb says on Jun 10, 2007, 01:13:

BTW, favorite books is not the same.. thing as favorite authors, you might want to fix that ;)

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lochdhu says on Jun 10, 2007, 01:44:

Can you hear the crickets chirping?

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Aji1 says on Jun 10, 2007, 02:29:

I thought I had a few narcissistic traits.. Ni hao PBH folks from Shanghai. I almost decided not to waste my time on this one, but the troll queen pulled it out of me. My weakness I guess. CA, this one takes the entire pasteleria. I think we all now know for sure you do not have a BF, and is there any doubt why. Go pay a guy to adjust your attitude babe, oh but then that would make you just like all the guys you rail against I guess, LOL. I for one am content to converse in the PBH dimension. My profile is one of the most complete you will find on here. I pull no punches. Enough time spent on CA. I am off to Mao Ming Lu to have a drink and grab some.

Zai jian

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scotty says on Jun 10, 2007, 02:49:

you see whats happening CA, we are bored with you. you throw a rumble and nobody shows up.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Adribabe says on Jun 10, 2007, 04:28:

LOL i just read that blog, i think she does have some valid points !!! Still, whats she going to do ? Stop the prostitution industry, is she superwoman ?

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panthdave says on Jun 10, 2007, 04:59:

CA you started this Thread Midnight on a Saturday Night No Comment....My Subject line explains it all......Seriously what battle are you trying to win..???? No not going to send you a PM or post on your blog...

Peace out...

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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scotty says on Jun 10, 2007, 05:34:

yea like panthdave says piss off, oops i meant pease out

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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webmanco says on Jun 10, 2007, 06:32:

I do see many valid points on CA´s posts. I am afraid many won´t welcome the invitation to take the differences elsewhere because they crave attention and somehow they get it here.

But Ca did what was suggested to many other posters if you don´t like PBH do your own site, obviously you can still post here, but instead of having multiple personalities (Troll) keep just one and post a link to your other personalities.

Scotty take me out of your generalization. (we are bored with you), that expression just reminds me of somewhere else were under the excuse of been "established members" got at you as gang members, None the Less (sin embargo) in this case it seems the same a few males ganging against a female.


The thread from Proud Canadian brought out the closet, or should I said, brought out a few lurkers.

But why is that reaction of hate towards a woman who speaks her mind? And do it a very good way.
Is it because a few men like to play the easy girls? Or is it because some foreigners like to take advantage of a few third world country girls? Or as I understood women back in their countries abuse them so often that the easiest and cheaper solution is to find "p . . .y" elsewhere.

It is sad that female “Colombian” posters don’t participate as often, or jump the ship so easily.

I am glad and thankful to Kat1, Desi, CK, Paisa29, seebeauty among others who partake with us.



Now before anyone wants to act upon gossip or spam, I do as well would gladly take it outside PBH, virtual or in person it does not matter and if feel better sending a MitM, it is fine with me. As usual my contact tab is on.


No siempre que el río suena es que se haya ahogado una orquesta

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kalder says on Jun 10, 2007, 06:36:

Personally, I like her posts. As well has being intelligent and in obvious good faith, they liven up the place; spark a bit of controversy and debate. It'd be a dreary old PBH if we were all singing from the same songsheet.

But CA, your jihad on prostitution is broadly misinformed. This 'hooker-as-victim' schtick is just plain wrong in my opinion. For sure, tragically, there are many sex slaves in the world and women coerced through poverty into the trade. But that doesn't really account for the high-end hookers the gringo tourists tend to use in Colombia.

Back in the day, my wife was Reina del Barrio. With her looks profiled in such a way she had no problem getting a job. So she did. She worked in a shop.

The following year, one of her friends became Reina. She too could have worked in a shop. But she wanted, as opposed to needed, much more money. So she chose, of her own free will, without the faintest breath of coercion or genuine financial hardship to become a prostitute. She still is, making a pot of money in Spain.

And the reason why men pay to go to bed with her? Because they're physically inadequate or emotionally stunted? Possibly. But it could also be because the act of having sex with a beautiful, accomplished whore is, quite simply, highly pleasurable.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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panthdave says on Jun 10, 2007, 07:11:

This is Joke Where is O'Reily when I need him...I feel like sending this too O'Reily at FOX NEWS so he can tear this up...
You know PBH has changed big time....Its turned into the Washington Post or New York Times and if I wanted that I would go to the Newspaper Stand..





panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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lochdhu says on Jun 10, 2007, 07:59:

or we could ignore her completely, but that may solicit more bitter woman syndrome.

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lochdhu says on Jun 10, 2007, 08:08:

Hey CA! where's your picture on your blog?

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jinksmiester says on Jun 10, 2007, 08:50:

thems sounds like fight,n words. No hate mail here...public or private..and i won,t be checking out your blog..as far as im concerned you are free to post any opinions you have just like everyone else here.Not everyone is gonna agree with all your posts or opinions..some will..some won,t...and some will evaluate and make up there own mind.You have made some good points that i agree with as well as some that i don,t.Thats what a forum is all about.
For my part ill try to give you and every other poster here respect.
I would like to see more ladys post here,exspecially colombian ladys as im interested in how they see and percieve different topics.
My suggestion is that if you don,t like a response you recieve from others you ignore it...its unlikley you will change someones mind no matter what you say or do.That said not everyone will have there mind closed and lots of people will listen and want to hear your take on different topics.

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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panthdave says on Jun 10, 2007, 09:05:

CA I don't know Whats up...Yes Jinksmiester She is going overboard....Yes its a free world on opinions but she is not posting opinions she clearly trying to read peoples minds and making assumptions on people she does not know. Yes I would like to have more woman posting but not like a damn pitbull and angry at the world..She basically attacks everything like she has so much anger to get out which I am sorry not here take it to a professional in the medical field.. She is so stuck on guys coming down to Colombia to take advantage of third world woman like she is on a mission or is an addict on this issue..She does have valid points but if she wants to get this across be smart by not attacking which does not gain one inch and she will not get her point across by being that way...

Sorry CA has to much anger built up and needs to learn how to talk to people I don't care if people have a 10 Year Masters Degree you know there the ones that usually don't know how to talk to people..

Stop Attacking CA and you might get your point across

PBH Moderators usually don't comment like this but getting tired of this issue..with CA...



panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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cayita says on Jun 10, 2007, 09:07:

carita are you pressing your movement upon gringos because you have some hope of changing their minds or reminding them of their morals. I can see why you would want to concentrate on gringo's since they usually have some morals in this area. Certainly more than Colombian men do as it is accepted in this culture to visit a prostitute where as in their country it is a low life thing to even consider and would destroy your rep if found out. Here the guys ask if you took any photos?

So I guess you have picked your battles. I can't blame you for that but don't you think it is a bit hypocritical since you are Colombian and should first be working to change the minds of your Colombians who are responsible for prostitution in Colombia not the occassional gringo european sex tourist.

Just think about it please and press on. I am with you as this really needs to change in Colombia it is very dissrespectful to women and destroys lives. But my opinion is the gringo is the most innocent in this. Concentrate on Germans, Italians, and the Dutch and then you might have it in proper order.

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webmanco says on Jun 10, 2007, 09:08:

Carita is not Colombian, and Panthdave Carita is defending herself.

Cayita visiting whorehouses it is not accepted widely in Colombia, and I would not call that a culture.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Adribabe says on Jun 10, 2007, 09:33:

I WOULD SUGGEST SHE TOUCHES A RAW NERVE WITH HER POSTS AND IT IS FAIR TO SUGGEST THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH IN WHAT SHE SAYS. OF COURSE, ALOT OF THE MEN ON HERE WILL REACT LIKE THIS BECAUSE SOMETHING IS BEING SAID THAT MAY APPLY IN SOME CASES.

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panthdave says on Jun 10, 2007, 09:54:

Adribabe Why Caps in your Message That's Attack Mode or Angry Mode...You will not get your message across that way..

I would suggest lower case letters in your message...

I have learned in email or post's you don't type in Upper Case letters because you are typing in angry mode or it is a quick reaction to a response and emotions are taking over...

I read Webmanco message and listened and absorbed his message but when somebody writes an attack message I don't absorb that message.

Just a suggestion Adribabe

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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goin_south says on Jun 10, 2007, 10:51:

zzzzzzzz.ZZZ...zzzzzzzzzz........ Voy para del Sur

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 10, 2007, 10:52:

Billy, Echanch, Lochdhu Thanks for your sterling examples if original thinking, this one's for you.




He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 10, 2007, 11:08:

The general idea Of course, my overall strategy is to stop the hate mail, the snide comments, and improve the overall quality of this community while also answering (elsewhere) valid points, (admit the crap) that some of you raise.

The best way to creatively do this is simply to post what they write off-topic elsewhere, with my response. Some of asked for a debate. Fine, you are getting one. If you would like to debate with me on issues that don't have anything to do with Colombia, you do it in public (or what's the point), and you do it in my house, not someone else's.

Cayita, I'm Scottish.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Lisa Zee says on Jun 10, 2007, 11:08:

C A Why don`t you show this guys you have a 'carita de angel'. Post a picture and you will see how their attitude will change, you sound like a very beautiful and smart woman, let us see!. "A picture tells a thousand words"

Feliz Navidad!

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 10, 2007, 11:46:

I would post my pic... But Lochhdhu would then copy and paste my Cara de Angel on top of the body of one of the photo-illustrations to his usual reading material, wearing the latest offerings from Anne Summers, or one of those weird Soho "speciality" stores...;-) Which is of course why he asked for it.

Esnach, nice try. How about you see to the cow yourself, since I have banished you at gunpoint to the cowshed, for being a machista HP. I'm sure you won't mind substituting one cow for another. In fact, why not ask Elmo for bedroom tips? What's good for a burra may well be good for the vaca. If she fails to reciprocate, I'll wait till you've gone down to the cantina, before slipping my lover through the window, planting the biggest cachon horns on you so the vaca will really fancy you next time I throw you out.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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jinksmiester says on Jun 10, 2007, 12:30:

What pathdave says is correct C/A...attacking with anger will get you no where.Attacking will only bring about attacks on you in response...and its obvious it is.Fact is that it takes a big person not to attack in retaliation,but not attacking will make your posts and opinions seem all the more credible.If you believe what you say and post is correct there is no reason to defend it...its your opinion,leave it at that...others are entitled to there opinion.
Id also accept the fact that some people will take oportuinity to make a joke or try and get a laugh.I do that myself if the occation arises...can,t be serious all the time or pbh would be a lot less fun in my opinion.Declaring war with certain posters is not the answer.

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 10, 2007, 13:01:

I see your point ... But I'm not angry. Just seeing who's a coward around here. I just want to encourage real discussion, not mudslinging, and if you want to debate with me about things not related to Colombia, you are welcome but we do it off the board, but not out of the public eye.

They write and say they want a debate (after writing nasty stuff).

I predict that no one will be sending any more challenges or hate mail though, and this is my ultimate goal. (There IS method in my madness). Virtually speaking, I got slapped with a glove yesterday by PM, with an I challenge you to a duel. Sometimes, the best way to meet that sort of thing is with an "all right then, but I choose the time and the place. Come on. I'm ready for you. Pistols at dawn."

You know what? Not a peep out of him so far. Fine by me.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak;
'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Gator says on Jun 10, 2007, 13:01:

Oh God! A reform by a seven-week member. God! I hate it when I throw up in my mouth.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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elreydelostrolls says on Jun 10, 2007, 13:53:

It's called the world's oldest profession for a reason. Good luck with your vendetta, CA. Why don't you do something useful, like getting drugs legalized in the western world?

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Aji1 says on Jun 10, 2007, 16:20:

Envy Hummmmmm. A Scott with a NA boyfriend. Folks, I betting she has never even been to Colombia and probably pulled Barranquilla off the map after realizing it is under represented in here, no offense Elmo. She probably read a report on Latin American prostitution, stumbled across this site in her lonely hours, and then started on her Joan of Arc bit. Sounds a little like a crusader type with penis envy perhaps, lol. CA, I know you make good points. However, as has been said a hundred times before, it is Colombianos that create the demand for the prepagos in Colombia, not the occasional horny stranger. The strangers just pay a gringo iva. I personally think keeping the discussion in here is better, that way our beloved moderators can make sure we keep it clean and somewhat civil. IMHO. La Verdad es mi gusta burlar de te, nada mas.

Zai Jian

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 10, 2007, 18:23:

Hi Aji There are some PBHers who have actually met me here - PM Shifty or Elmo, or even Tompower, who has dropped this theme like hot brick.

I think my views on prostitution and foreign tourists have been well rehearsed, you know what they are, I won't rehash them, suffice to say that just because the locals do it doesn't mean its ok for you, and I don't want to see my Colombia querida turn into another Thailand.

Penis Envy? That's a new one. Cheers. Would love to know the logic behind that. But for that, you'll have to take it outside.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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panthdave says on Jun 10, 2007, 18:35:

Not Bad CA...Good Comment I would Say. Just because the locals do it does not mean you have too..

Have a good night Mucho Dormir for the panthdave..

Feliz Noche,

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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webmanco says on Jun 10, 2007, 20:32:

I did an internet search with the words Carita de Angel and Barranquilla, and here is what I got


nació en Barranquilla, pero al parecer crecio en Rosario Argentina Liz Solari apenas con 19 años




Mejor se daña, muy hermosa

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 10, 2007, 22:55:

Judging by the number of whiskerias in Villavo, I would say prostitution is much more acceptable in Colombia than in the EEUU. My sister-in-law lives 2 doors down from a whiskeria in Bogota, Av. Primero de Mayo. They don't give the place a second thought. It is just ... normal. A whorehouse in the US makes national news.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Aji1 says on Jun 10, 2007, 23:51:

Sorry CA, I stand corrected Sorry about that CA. Unfortunately I have to work my at ss off most of the time and did not have nor take the time to do any real in depth research on your history etc. Admittedly, I only catch bits and pieces when I breeze through here. I offer my sincere apologies to you and publicly admit my error of you travels etc. ... oops, screwed the pooch on that one. I really do not think you have to worry, at least short term, about Colombia becoming like Thailand. I have been to both, and Colombia is not Thailand, not by a long shot. Most casual tourist are still too freaked out about traveling to Colombia it seems, Americans anyway. Let's differentiate two things. Sex slavery, underage prostitution and the like are terrible and needs to be prevented for the girls and punished for the guys, period. However, it is a very different thing when you have thirty something housewives working as prepagos in Colombia or 25 year old girls working as factory workers by day and hooking by night in China, Vietnam etc. These girls come up to me and solicit me. I happen to know that there is a whole bunch of freelancers that pays a fee to more respectable clubs to allow them to come in and "hook up". Nobody is forcing them to do this. So let's please make the distinction about the two very different groups. That in fact gets to the point of the issue for me. Stop with the moralistic, judgmental crap you want to lay out there on every guy that has ever paid for it. There is supply and demand and economic motivations, and that is it. I really do not know much about the prepagos in Colombia other than what I hear third person. I have never participated in this in Colombia personally. Although my Colombiana has offered to allow me to indulge myself the last two times we visited. No by the way, no cachos in my back, she is just a liberal soul and she knows what makes most men tick and allows me a ton of freedom. Please separate the two issues with regards to prostitution. You seem to be smart and educated which is why I do not fully understand the sweeping generalizations you make. As for the penis envy, it was just a comment on your aggressiveness in this forum. You seem to have an abundance of testosterone but lack the equipment, therein my "envy" comment. Lighten up. In a way this thing with you for most in here I think (not sure) is similar to an older brother taunting a three year old brother with their favorite toy. You act mean and by god you get mean thrown back at you. Surprised?? You should not be. I like some of your postings on other issues, but it is the moralist angle you take on this one that spurs on your detractors, including me. If I want that, or to feel bad and worthless about myself I will start going back to Church. I for one like the Dutch approach to these types of things. It is much more realistic and shows more understanding of human nature. Remember, none of this is personal for me, it just makes me chuckle how it seems so personal to you. Lighten up, but not too much, you are the funniest thing to blow onto this forum in a while.

Zai Jian

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cayita says on Jun 11, 2007, 09:05:

web "Cayita visiting whorehouses it is not accepted widely in Colombia"

JAJAJA

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cayita says on Jun 11, 2007, 09:08:

carita sorry thought you were Colombian. You should lay off the gringo's they are by far not the problem.

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webmanco says on Jun 11, 2007, 13:00:

Being accepted for me means mothers giving male children money to visit those places, in that way or the like, it is not widely accepted.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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billyb says on Jun 11, 2007, 13:24:

How about fathers giving money to their male.. children? that would be a more appropriate measure of acceptance in this case. I don't think most people would ask their mothers for money for a whore.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 11, 2007, 14:01:

Aji Colombia isn't like Thailand because most foreigners (not just north Americans) think its unsafe. As the safety situation improves, so the sex-tourism will increase. So if Colombia is not like Thailand now, the only reason is because of security. When it gets safer then what? Another friggin Thailand, closer to the USA, easier to get down for a long weekend.

And as for aggression, I advise you to read the posts of the many dogs and players here (who are much more muted now than before, and compare and contrast. Especially regarding constancy and logic. A woman who stands up for what she believes is always called aggressive. In men, its called assertive. Or even normal. Go figure.

Cayita, my views on sex tourism are not confined to North American men. Colombia isn't my country. The men act as the will here. But foreigners here are a different matter. I CAN and will, call them on it. The greatest evils happen because they don't think about the consequences of their actions.




He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Jun 11, 2007, 14:20:

C/A.....without starting a pissing match here...... it is the women who are setting the financial price for the sex. I myself would rather not pay in anyway, whether buying her an admission to a movie and popcorn or an arepa and a bottle of coke.

It is women who bring the economics into the sex, not the other way around.

Just like a drug dealer is punished far more severely than a drug user, women and pimps should be treated as the 'cause' of the problem.

Shouldn't your primary focus be on encouraging women to 'give it up for free' as they're the ones creating the problem?

:)

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JR says on Jun 11, 2007, 14:26:

I have been a Member here for over 3 years and... haven't posted too often on here but CaritadeAngel has prompted me to start again.

"A woman who stands up for what she believes is always called aggressive. In men, its called assertive. Or even normal. Go figure."

Interesting CaritadeAngel, but then again when a man chooses to delay getting married (ex. 35, 37, 38 y/o), Women always say that 1) something is wrong with him, or 2) he is gay. But if a woman does the same thing, she's empowered and her decision is fine and nobody questions it. Go figure that one...........

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pariahdog says on Jun 11, 2007, 14:26:

sinvergüenza I may be the individual she is referring to. I did send her a PM to discuss her offtopic posts in proud_canadian's thread.

So you want to discuss these issues publicly huh? How can you be so shameless as to start your own thread about it? I really don't understand people like you. Or maybe I do but wish that I didn't. What is it that makes you so important as to start a thread like this on what I can only assume is not your own web site. Are you the kind of person who talks loudly on your cell phone during a movie? I think you are behaving in a selfish, grandstanding, self-important, and inconsiderate manner. IOW, just like a child. Does the whole world revolve around you? Maybe we should all start new threads in reply to PMs that have little or nothing to do with Colombia and everything to do with ourselves. Of course, that very arrogant, self-important nature of yours is what makes it so enticing to argue with you. I guess it makes you a worthy target, a tempting enemy combatant

I have no hope whatsoever that I could convince you of anything. And it certainly doesn't matter to me what you believe. Believe whatever you like. I have seen far more irrational or ignorant beliefs. I just think some of your points in that thread should be answered by someone. Some of them *were* answered, but some ideas were left to stand unchallenged. That's just not right. Frankly I'd prefer if someone else would do it. I don't have time right now. I am actually packing for Colombia. At least that's what I should be doing.

I am not shying from a public debate. I just thought it inappropriate to do so on this website. But I guess that's up to the moderators to decide. Not my call. I am certainly not going to argue with you on your own website/weblog. That would be ridiculous.

BTW, the title of this thread is so classic. I am starting to wonder if you actually exist, as a real person, off-internet. It seems almost too much of a parody of a certain type. If it is an act, may I suggest that you are overdoing it a bit?

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 11, 2007, 14:36:

I would never say that pariah
My fiance is 47 - some 20 years older than me. I don't think him weird or gay , until now, he never found the right girl.

Men have more time than women, some girls forget that. If I waited until I was 38 for marriage and kids - well, goodbye any hope for a family. I think you'll find that guys just have more time than women, but only about 20 years more. So be careful there.

I only think its weird when a man will not risk anything for love. Which can happen at any age.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 11, 2007, 15:40:

You're funny CdeA.

I'm trying to figure out why you find it so fascinating to spar with people who disagree with you. So much so that you'd go create a blog.

I wonder if anyone has actually bothered to engage there.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 11, 2007, 16:59:

Because basically I don't like typing things 3 zillion times
And I think it cowardly when people send me hate mail.
The Blog took 3 minutes to make. A link posted, anyone can see what my views really are.
The general idea is to of course, encourage the application of logic, not emotional mudslinging. It wasn't me that asked for a debate. It wasnt me that started with the hate mail.

I am, if anything an original thinker.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Aji1 says on Jun 11, 2007, 17:10:

Did anyone notice... Did anyone notice CA could not even gracefully accept my apology? Could someone please place her in front of a mirror so her spring will wind down. She clearly "quiero pelear sola"!!! Your a real piece of work CA.

Zai Jian

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Frank Rizzo says on Jun 11, 2007, 17:13:

Carita and JR, There is no question that men have more time. It's hard to say it's 20 years or so. If you really throw out any preconceptions and think about it. There are many examples of men much older with much younger women and it is accepted. It really is, and i'm not too old (37) yet. I work with wealthy men that are 62 and 70 both with 27 and 30 year old's. Yes, they are wealthy, yes the girls are beautiful, and yes it's accepted by everyone that i've seen.

Now, take a 60 year old woman with a 27 year old guy and watch what happens. Women do own the world until about age 30 then it's cliff diving for them. Men begin to take over probably around 40 and believe me, there are PLENTY of women in the states and especially in colombia that are 20 dyeing to date a wealthy older man.

The funny thing is that some of these older women have latched onto the "cougar" thing and think younger men want them as girlfriends/wives. Sorry, that's only for women that are super wealthy, yes Demi Moore can apply. But let's see how long that lasts as she reaches the next 5 years of wrinkles.

It's just how it is.

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lochdhu says on Jun 11, 2007, 17:36:

Funny you mention the "Cougar" thing, my sister who is 39, been married 4 times and has 3 kids and just recently divorced has been hooked up with a 20 yr old burger flipping bum for the past year. she knows it won't last more than a few years, and is in it mainly for the sex as she has admitted to me. while I may not like it, I respect her wishes and say nothing and treat the kid with respect as I would anyone else.
he gets free lodging. does that make my sister a sex tourist? hey Carita you wanna straighen out my sis for me? lol

www.SantaMarta.com

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 11, 2007, 19:00:

I dont think older women kid themselves it's love But rich auld guys fall for it all the time. Perhaps because there no delusion like self delusion.

But I'd never date a guy younger than me, unless he had exceptional maturity beyond his years. Guys old start becoming interesting at aroun the 30-35 mark. Way of the world. You take your time developing emotionally.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 11, 2007, 20:28:

How many people sent you hate mail?

I'm starting to feel like a real loser. I've been posting on this site for years now and not a single piece of hate mail.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 11, 2007, 21:26:

Obviously, You never got under folks skin the way I have :D.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Buongone says on Jun 12, 2007, 00:25:

Like I said before. What other people do is NONE of YOUR BUSINESS.

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Buongone says on Jun 12, 2007, 00:28:

Like I said before !! What other people do is None of Your Business !!

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scotty says on Jun 12, 2007, 04:22:

CA tell us about the women who go on sex tourism trips to jamaica and other locations.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Wastelandlive says on Jun 12, 2007, 06:27:

You flatter yourself... a-gain. CA: "I am, if anything an original thinker."

No. You're not.

You haven't written a damn thing that I haven't heard from other bitter gringas already. You may think it profound, but truly... it doesn't border on pedestrian: it's smack in the middle of pedestrolandia.

Frankly, Pariah describes you to a T.

CA: "But foreigners here are a different matter. I CAN and will, call them on it."

OOOOOOH. You go girl! CALL THEM ON IT.

Too funny...

Wasteland

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podborski says on Jun 12, 2007, 11:28:

CA says: But rich auld guys fall for it all the time but women do not.

Just one in a long line of examples of wishful thinking masquerading as knowledge.

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kalder says on Jun 12, 2007, 12:08:

I envy Carita her morals.I I envy Carita her morals.

I wish I had some...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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seabass says on Jun 12, 2007, 12:11:

Instead of a rumble, how about a gang bang??

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Lisa Zee says on Jun 12, 2007, 14:07:

Carita, ARE YOU RELATED TO MR. GRINGO??? You showed up after Mr gringo disappeared!?. All those arguments and looooooooooong posts....hummmm. I can only wonder???!!!

Feliz Navidad!

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 12, 2007, 15:27:

Sure seabass Have to warn you though, I have a black belt in the marital arts.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity
to shew."

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 12, 2007, 15:28:

Sure seabass Have to warn you though, I have a black belt in the "marital" arts. The cowshed awaits you.

The vaca's gonna be tired, what with you and Esnach taking turns.

By the way my father and seven brothers - all proficient with the ol' rubber bands vis a vie their application in animal husbandry, are looking for you.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity
to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 12, 2007, 15:43:

No Liza, but, Well, I have reason. But you are right to wonder. Here's why.

I'm sorry if you find this post too long, but you should remember I am replying to several people at once. And not all are as reasonable as you, Liza.

Its like this. Since Pariah has outed himself I have no problem mentioning his name. He is by no means the first though.

He writes to me with several paragraphs of hate and one valid point worthy of discussion. He then turns off his PM facility. Now, its possible that his PM facility was turned off by accident, but, after reading that he wanted to personally slit my throat on principle I was somewhat disinclined to believe the best of him. So I answered his valid points - and SOME of his insults (omitting the throat slitting and a couple of other comments for neutrality's sake) on my blog and posted the link here. Publicly. And I invited my detractors to come and meet me, in public, but off site (since they clearly want to discuss things which are not on the topic of Colombia). Now he's here, whining because I placed a PM discussion in the public domain. Not my problem. His problem.

The best way to meet bullying is to come right out and tackle it. Cowardice, you see, being the order of the day. They throw down the gauntlet but I name the time and the place and they back out like the cowards that they are.

Now I'll give you an example of Rubito, who is not a coward. Rubito has disagreed with me many times here. But Rubito is a logical, rational, man, so he writes with an "I disagree with such and such of what you said" in private, and agrees that I can publish his comments on my blog if I want, being actually interested in a real discussion. Rubito and I may never see eye to eye on many points, but he has not sent me PM hate mail. He has sent me an argument. Its also clear from his emails he as actually read the substance of my argument properly: not just assumed. He's fairly perceptive, so we should have a good discussion – I'll post the highlights on the blog.

Finally, I don't want to repeat myself. One of the reason why when all this started was that because they continually ignored my arguments (too busy attacking the person) I made the mistake of repeating consistently held views on prostitution , sex tourism, and international marriage brokerage.

The best way is to write this once – my views don't change, and post a link. Those that are interested in discussing the argument or issues will read it. Those who are not will keep on trolling and flaming by PM: incidentally, so far, no more flames by PM. I wonder why THAT could be? Tell you what, I'm in generous mood. If anyone else receives hate mail from PBH posters, forward it to me and I'll pin it up in the hall of shame with my comments. They will stop. Eventually.

Essentially, I don't cast pearls before swine. Instead, lets see how many times the gentlemen sling ad nauseum the lables of leftist, feminazi, bitter man-hater around. So much more fun than actually applying the brain God gave them (I predict further abuse on grounds of religion very soon).

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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elreydelostrolls says on Jun 12, 2007, 17:26:

Geez enough with the bold Geez enough with the bold face type!

CA, do you actually think your idiotic rants are going to curb prostitution? Or your equally stupid proposition that it's ok for Colombian guys to indulge in mongering but completely wrong when gringos do it?

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 12, 2007, 19:00:

Sorry I dont know why its doing that Rey. I haven't put any tags or anything. My com won't cooperate today, having all sorts of trouble with it: if this doesn't post in normal type face I'll have to see about fixing it tomorrow. I'm only interested in exposing cowardice, and occasionally, injustice. Its you, not me, confusing sex tourism with prostitution.

I never said anything about stopping prostitution, Rey. Where in this thread have I said that I wanted to stop it. Hell, I'm all for it. I'll even do you Rey, for 17 million dollars, and if you rubber up. Every girl has her price.

I'm sure YOU would never volunteer to slit my throat ... so, for a good time for ALL your multiple personalities, PM me, Rey, but make sure your PM is switched on so I can get back to you with my price list for "extras".




He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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goin_south says on Jun 12, 2007, 19:17:

"enough with the bold face type!"

Hey; maybe CA is closely-related to poco.

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 12, 2007, 20:46:

Seems to have corrected itself...
Can't figure out what the problem was. Periodically my keyboard has been refusing to allow me to type question marks, or replacing them with zwz or ZW. If anyone knows how to fix this I'd be grateful.

Incidentally, I found the new reading material for El Rey:





He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on Jun 13, 2007, 06:48:

CA's definition is some mumbo jumbo about having relative economic advantage or objectifying women or having certain 'motivations' that she knows about even though no one else seems to.

For having accused (insinuated, implied) that folks here are committing serious crimes or the 'equivalent', I'd say it sounds like you don't get much hate mail at all?

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taladro says on Jun 13, 2007, 09:16:

you just need a little weed querida

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 13, 2007, 13:51:

Pod, I'm surprised Given how educated you are in political economy. You know darn well I never said or implied any such thing. The expanded definition of sex tourism has been around for a while, I assure you.

By clicking on this link, you can find what I have ALWAYS thought, and said, on the subject. Nothing there about you guys being paedophiles. So engage me on that, by PM or on my blog, centring on the core elements of the argument, and quit trying to misrepresent me. Its a low tactic for a gentleman as intelligent and compassionate as you are.

By clicking on this lin, Podrowski, you can find my response to your mumbo-jumbo. I really expected better by now.

But I put it to you that men have been "objectifying women" (your words, Pod, not mine,) since Adam first saw Eve and asked her to stand back.












"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on Jun 13, 2007, 15:56:

it's all mumbo jumbo to me I honestly don't understand the concept of 'objectifying' someone, never have.

And we've beaten the rest of it to death don't you think? I'm tired of it anyway.

We need a new topic to discuss.

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Monpirri says on Jun 13, 2007, 17:36:

CaritadeAngel I was not aware who you were or what was your ideals or the reason why you were engulfed by several dudes in several threads.
But couple nights ago I got a phone call from a friend who is a member of this site. The person asked me what do I think of you but I was not able to give my friend a clear picture of you. All I said that I know you briefly because I posted few comments and I never returned back to the thread, My First Colombian Experience in Bogota, Cucuta, and Villa Del Rosario.

I have visited your website today and read your thoughts about sex-tourism and I agree with your statement 100%

“I define Sex Tourism as someone from a relatively richer area/country travelling to a relatively poorer area/country, using their relative wealth, or the perception of wealtyh to procure cheep or free sexual services from local women, men, or children. Types of sex tourism include:
“A man traveling to a developing country to seduce or "play" local women, who are not commercial sex workers. (The Male Player).
A woman traveling to a developing country or a standard tourism destination (such as Spain or Greece) with the intention of having sex with local "exotic" men, who are not commercial sex workers. (The Female Player).
A Paedophile who travels to a developing country because he has more access to vulnerable, poor children, is less likely to be caught, and if he is caught he has more of a chance of bribing his way out of trouble (The Travelling Paedophile).
Male and female tourists who travel to other countries to use commercial sex workers of either gender.

Sex tourism is distinct from International Marriage brokerage, or mail order brides, although it can overlap. It is also distinct from people who start relationships, or even have sex, while they are traveling in other countries. The mens rea of sex tourism is that the intention - the reason for traveling - is to procure sex. Some forms of sex tourism are not as bad as others, but they all have two things in common: the leverage of relative wealth to procure sexual services, and a real or perceived lack of accountability. Its equally wrong to do it if you are male or female, but the consequences of sex tourism are particularly harsh for women and children in developing countries. This is why I hate it. The question for my detractors is this: why don't YOU hate it? For evil to flourish its only necessary that good men do nothing.

Here are just some of the reasons why sex tourism is bad:


All countries which have a problem with sex tourism also have problems with industrialised prostitution and human trafficking. Though these are seperate, they often feed into each other.

To feed sex tourism, migrant women from rural parts of the developed world are often trafficked ans sold.

It makes it hard for countries to build legitimate industries.

It contributes to the persistent low status of women and girl-children.

Women and girls find it hard to get properly paid employment in other, legitimate sectors.

It damages vulnerable people psychologically.

It creates the environments where under-age sex and child prostitution are more likely to occur.

It makes things bloody difficult for travelers who are NOT sex - tourists. Decent tourists may avoid certain c0untries, making it harder for the country to market "ordinary" tourism.

Now the cry I get the most is "but its acceptable in the local culture!" or "the local men are worse". What then? Absolution because everyone else is doing it? Tosh. If the age of consent was 12 years old, would these "decent men" who have the "odd shag" with a "consenting adult"
have sex with 12 year olds in that country. One would hope not: they hold themselves to a higher moral standard. As foreigners, we have an extra responsibilities not to make a bad situation worse.”

I also would like to congratulate you for coming out with the greatest idea to build a cyber-arena for debate where the truth can be exposed for everyone to see.

My stake on this topic, I have zero tolerance for those individuals who are trying very hard to make Colombia as a prostitution oasis to compensate for their mediocre lifestyles.
In retrospect here, they are usually the same individuals from the same country who engage in a subliminal or sometimes bold advertising about prostitution here on PBH.

MAC

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 13, 2007, 18:33:

Objectivity. You didn't have to post it, since I have already said this many times here, but I appreciate it. Cheers.

I have never, ever used the term "objectifying someone", Pod, these are your words not mine. Please stop misrepresenting me. The word is clumsy. I don't understand what you mean by it either.

All straight men have looked at women as "objects" (and straight women look at men as "objects" too: the object of my lust, yeah, but also the object of my affection, the object of my love, the object of my desire ... if you are the object, in a subject-object relationship, you are the one experiencing the "subject's" action ...

Right now, I am the object of your annoyance.

Mary lusts after John: John is the object, Mary the subject.

John loves Mary: Mary is the object, John the subject.

As in grammar, so it is in life.

You just have to look at it objectively.

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on Jun 13, 2007, 19:02:

here's my analogy CA (thanks for bringing that post up monpirri, I'm too lazy and a bit busy right now)

First I define my term, in a way so broad as to be meaningless, but also to include innocent behaviour in with the most vile under the same category.

For example:

I define spouse abusers as those people who do not remember their spouse's birthdays or,

those people who berate their spouse withe every word, or

those people who murder their spouses.

Then I go around calling people spouse abusers and wonder why most people are confused and some take offense to it.

Kind of clouds the issue over who the real criminals are and what one's real agenda might be, don't you think?

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 13, 2007, 19:34:

That is not fair comparison What does that have to do with "objectifying" people? Or aren't you going to admit you misrepresented me (again)?

I don't think defining a sex tourist as someone who travels for sex (duh) as "so broad as to be meaningless". I am also not the first to use this broader definition. I fail to see your logic. Just because "cat" normally means domesticated felines, it can also mean Scottish Wild Cats, Lions, Tigers etc. You are not wrong for using teh word cat to describe them, but you do need to clarify which kind of cat you mean. Same with tourists. Same with sex tourists. A term can have several meanings, or several sub-categories in the English language. But then you know this.

There isn't a country in the world that has a problem with "bad" sex tourists, Pod, which didn't have a problem with "good ones" first. After all, there are many more "good ones" than bad. Tourism caters for "all tastes". Tourism is always tourism. Sex is not always just sex.

But we've done it to death here: if you want to talk more about this, come over to my place (virtually speaking, of course).

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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elreydelostrolls says on Jun 13, 2007, 19:51:

The bold face type started when someone was sloppy with their HTML tags. It didn't stop until I added the necessary tag before my post. The moral is, if you open it, close it.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 13, 2007, 21:31:

No I've been through the post 3 times Looking for open tags. Even a girl knows how to use them Rey. There are no open tags. I have looked. None.

So, can you shed some light on the mystery? Or actually say something worth saying?

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

goin_south says on Jun 13, 2007, 22:22:

Oh, no! Is someone going to complain about italics, 2? Can someone please make the italix also BOLD? It helps... mi ojos viejos. Muchas Gracias, Gabriel.
(So will the sites in Bogota,...yo creo.)

Voy para del Sur...muy pronto.

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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Monpirri says on Jun 14, 2007, 02:27:

Rubito How about you migrate back to Canada and help her with booming business!

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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elreydelostrolls says on Jun 14, 2007, 05:46:

Yes, there were open tags. Yes, there were open tags. Geez, you created a few yourself with the italics. Boy it must be great to know everything, CA. I hope your expertise in other areas is greater than your knowledge of html.

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Colombiche says on Jun 14, 2007, 08:30:

Carita - A word of advise Some advice from one of the "prominent" female posters of yesteryear.

It's obvious you are a bright woman but don't waste so much time and energy on this, it just isn't worth it. You are not going to change the world by focusing so much of your mental resources spatting online.

Come in, make a grand entrace, make your point, sympathize with a few, disagree with a few others.... avoid moral pedestals and absolutes, don't talk down on people. Don't preach. Don't expose so much of yourself. Be endearing and vulnerable at times, harsh when need be. Just say a thing or two, say them well, then go bye bye.

Most of all, don't fall into the trap of being predictable, antiseptic and longwinded.

When you keep going and going, people grow bored of the topic and after hours of typing, the point gets lost.

I am getting dizzy just trying to read through this thread, I'm officially comatose.

Good luck Nena!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 14, 2007, 08:47:

Rule Number 1 in pbh . Don't try to change the unchangeable ;)

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billyb says on Jun 14, 2007, 09:06:

Rule number 2 on PBH... don't bore people to death ;)

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Monpirri says on Jun 14, 2007, 10:14:

CaritaldeAngel Just be yourself, do not retreat! You have posted an excellent statement in your website and I agree with you!
The only different thing that you should do is not to reply to every single remarks or nonsense! For example, if someone says the italics are running because of blah, blah, just ignore it. If someone says you are ugly ignore them too, you know what I mean.
At some point, you are going have have to let them shoot at the air!

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 14, 2007, 13:31:

Colombiche and Kat This thread, is NOT about sex-tourism or any other "substantive argument". It's about cowardice, about the fact that some of these guys are quite happy to threaten and send abuse in private, or gang up in public. It isn't me that's repeating the same old crap. Its them. Don't fall into the trap of letting the usual crap from a few guys blind you to what's really going on. But anyway, this has served it's purpose: it has indeed, changed the unchangeable. No more hate-mail to my personal in-box. Now, I wonder why that could be? Could it be that when you meet aggression head on, the cowards retreat?

I think it will also cut down the number of abusive PMs sent to others as well, since you all know that when you receive one, you can forward it to me, and into the public domain (with my comments) it goes. There, unchangeable has been changed. There's no such thing as the unchangeable.

My only "moral judgements" (we all make them) on pbh so far have been about sex-tourism - that is, the actions of foreigners in Colombia. If anyone else says anything different, they are lying through their pearly-whites. The reaction disproportionate to the amount of bitterness produced by some of the gentlemen here, all I can say is your consciences must really be bugging you.

Of course, instead of gang-banging and throat-slitting, why not burning at the stake? That's the time honoured tradition for ridding your community of a girl...and I'm sure that the more skilled amongst them can even manipulate the other women into throwing the first torch.

Now, for the last time, lets take it outside, or are you chicken?

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 14, 2007, 14:50:

CA I have been in this board for 2 years and 30 weeks and believe i was the same I argued, fought,scream until the end, and for what? when a mind is made up there is nothing you can do to change it.

I have try to change Elmo's opinion about Colombianas , Have I succeeded. NOpe

I agree with you it is very cowardly to start sending abusive PM.s, I think it's so inmature, and those people should get a life outside the WORLD WIDE WETB.

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Monpirri says on Jun 14, 2007, 17:31:

CA Once again, I congratulate you for what you have done up to now, I am thrilled with your dispute cyber-arena, your reasoning and your thoughts about the oasis that few dudes want to proliferate.

My advise to do not retreat, do not cave in, do not fall in for traps, and do not engage in every single thread. If you respond to every single comment or thread that is not related to your main point or focus, i.e. Sex-tourism, or you will be another victim and your name will be part of history, or as they say, another girl bites the dust!
You are 500% right, this website is not about the ongoing sex-tourism or prostitution so often exhibited here by the cocky few.

MAC

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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elreydelostrolls says on Jun 14, 2007, 19:48:

Sex tourism and the cocky few? Nice choice of words there.

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CaritadeAngel says on Jun 14, 2007, 19:52:

Perfect. "He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Aaron21 says on Jun 14, 2007, 23:11:

Perfectly dumb.

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scotty says on Jun 15, 2007, 05:41:

black belt the only black belt you have is the one you bought at Kmarts blue light special

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Jun 15, 2007, 05:45:

ca you are so full of s

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Lucas Freley says on Jun 18, 2007, 09:41:

Carita de angel... sonrisa divina
ojitos de lago
alas de algodon

Me encanta tu estilo, y espero q sigas expresando tus firmes convicciones con total libertad, tal como dice Mac. Que lindo es encontrar un alma romantica dentro de tanta mediocridad como es la Internet...

Colombiche, ¿como andan las cosas del otro lado de la frontera? El blog necesita de todo tu encanto paisa, que aun perdura en vos, eso si, aunque con un leve toque de la Commonwealth...jaja. Asi q espero q escribas mas seguido. Mandale mis saludos a Quindioman y a la bella Persephone, Ok ?

Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)

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Colombiche says on Jun 18, 2007, 13:18:

Un saludo paisa sin nada de commonwealth: Lucas todo va "viento en popa" pero solo "blogueo" en mis escasos momentos de "desparche". En este foro básicamente no participo porque le perdí el entusiasmo, son las mismas peleas recicladas, los mismos bufones con sus chistes reencauchados.... pero le deseaba suerte a la amiguita esta que esta dando batalla, le doy un par de meses antes de que se "mame" también de botar corriente y le pase la batuta a otra ja ja ja.

Yo te saludo a tu gente, y chévere que sigas posteando vos que siempre tienes una perspectiva bien suramericana de las cosas, ahí poco a poco de repente educas uno que otro troglodita, quien quita, como se dice en paisalandia "¡Déle chancleta papá!".

ciao!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Lucas Freley says on Jun 18, 2007, 16:24:

Me alegra escuchar eso !!! Muchas gracias Col !!! Tenes mucha razon, en eso de educar andamos, lentamente, pero en eso estamos...jaja. Me acuerdo cuando me enseñaste lo q era el desparche, y q a veces podia ser berraco !!! Gracias por darle mis saludos a QMan y Paulette, y cuando dije lo de bella, tambien era extensivo a vos, solo q como paisa q sos, eso ya se sobreentiende Ok ? (guiño de ojito). Cuidate mucho, y me alegró saber de ti. "Chao", Lucas.

Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)

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