There were no e-mails in the PC of Reyes

pobrecito says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:29:

bump

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pobrecito says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:59:

No comment.

When Uribe lies, nobody says anything ...

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sanandressi says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:16:

All politicans lie......."when they are not kissing babies they are stealing their lolipops..."

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:34:

billyb says on Dec 10, 2008, 08:57:

He's dead, so his sentence has already been handed down.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Mononoke28 says on Dec 10, 2008, 09:47:

It's not that Uribe said the Colombian government happened to find some word documents in his PCs. They actually brought international agencies to go over all PC's and every single document and they're the ones who confirmed it. So are they liars and is their report and the thousands of hours spent a total farce? Absolutely not.

Diana

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ixent (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 11:50:

Mononoke28 says on Dec 10, 2008, 13:00:

But what I'm saying is that the Interpol did not say that word documents were placed or altered in the PCs. That's what they were trying to prove, otherwise it's a dead issue.

Diana

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JGD (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 13:34:

lpdiver says on Dec 10, 2008, 14:10:

Kind of like Bush's weapons of mass destruction.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Sam Salmon says on Dec 10, 2008, 17:22:

The excuses and lies for a dead drug trafficker thug//murderer/swine who deserved nothing better than hot lead really are nauseating-but that's democracy for ya.

So he saved his emails in Word-lots of people do-the fact is he/his fellow travellers/swine/thugs/murderers/drug traffickers were caught red handed-this is FACT!!!!

' a la orden!'

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lpdiver says on Dec 10, 2008, 18:50:

Like I said...very similar to Bush's weapons of mass destruction. Thanks for supporting my statement.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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pobrecito says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:07:

Noticias Uno publicó en su emisión del domingo un aparte de la declaración del capitán Ronald Coy Ortiz.
El experto de la Policía dijo bajo juramento a la Fiscalía colombiana que no había correos electrónicos como tales en los comp utadores de “Raúl Reyes”.
Estos contenían documentos Word, que no sirven para probar un intercambio de comunicaciones mediante correos entrantes o salientes. La di*****da Calle, además periodista de la agencia Altercom, y ex becaria de Ashoka, aparece en un correo pidiéndole a “Reyes” plata para el arriendo, según las autoridades colombianas.

“PREGUNTADO: Informe al despacho si ustedes hallaron en los elementos electrónicos incautados a Raúl Reyes archivos correspondientes a los correos electrónicos enviados y recibidos por él. RONALD HAYDEN COY ORTIZ: Pantallazo de correo electrónico no se ha hallado hasta el momento. Se han hallado gran cantidad de direcciones que pertenecen a correos electrónicos. Pero Reyes almacenaba la información en Word y en programas de Microsoft”.

Según el ministro de Defensa Juan Manuel Santos, se trata de “una estrategia de mucha gente que sale implicada por los correos y así defenderse. Pero los correos son prueba incluso en España. Cinco etarras han sido capturados…”

Vale recordar los párrafos 66 y 67 del “Informe forense de INTERPOL sobre los ordenadores y equipos informáticos de las FARC decomisados por Colombia – Informe Público”. Estos, efectivamente, no hablan de correos electrónicos, aunque sí de direcciones electrónicas.

El párrafo 66 dice que “en el informe confidencial de INTERPOL (entregado al gobierno colombiano) figuran todos los archivos de usuario almacenados en las ocho pruebas instrumentales decomisadas. Corresponde a las autoridades colombianas decidir de manera soberana qué información debe revelarse”.

Por su parte, dice el párrafo 67: “Sin desvelar dichos datos, INTERPOL puede declarar lo siguiente con respecto a los archivos de usuario contenidos en las ocho pruebas instrumentales de carácter informático decomisadas a las FARC:

· Se encontraron 109 archivos de documentos en más de una de las pruebas instrumentales
· 452 hojas de cálculo
· 7.989 direcciones de correo electrónico
· 10.537 archivos multimedia (de sonido y vídeo)
· 22.481 páginas web
· 37.872 documentos escritos (de Word, PDF y formato texto)
· 210.888 imágenes

De los anteriores, 983 archivos estaban cifrados”.

Los ocho elementos informáticos entregados a INTERPOL como supuestamente incautados en el ataque al campamento de “Reyes” en territorio de Ecuador son tres ordenadores portátiles, dos discos duros externos y tres llaves USB.

Pero los dos discos duros externos aparecieron a mitad de camino, aunque hay que aclarar que éstos supuestamente sólo contienen música, videos e imágenes, y todo fue ingresado a ambas piezas con fecha futura. También registra fecha futura uno de los com*****dores, que a su vez alberga sólo un archivo.

En la sección de Anexos del mismo informe, en la primera comunicación a INTERPOL, con el asunto “Solicitud experto técnico forense”, el general Oscar Naranjo, director de la Policía Nacional, solicita la valoración oficial de “tres (3) comp utadores y tres (3) dispositivos USB”. El secretario generadle INTERPOL, Ronald K. Noble, contesta el 5 de marzo a la entonces directora del servicio secreto, DAS, María del Pilar Hurtado, confirmando por escrito una previa conversación telefónica: “Concretamente, han pedido Vds. a INTERPOL que les proporcione ayuda especializada en materia de investigación informática forense en relación con los datos almacenados en tres (3) ordenadores y tres (3) USB que fueron decomisados en el marco de una operación…”

Al día siguiente, la misma directora del polémico DAS le escribe a Noble, con la referencia “Solicitud de asistencia técnica”, “establecer el origen y manejo técnico dado a la información obtenida de los procesos de búsqueda de los archivos almacenados en los tres com*****dores portátiles, tres memorias USB, y dos discos externos, que son objeto de análisis por parte de la Policía Nacional de Colombia…”.
El 28 de agosto, la lectora Lucy Roessler acertadamente comenta: “En la página 53 del informe Interpol se lee que se le solicitó oficialmente al organismo: ‘la valoración oficial de tres (3) com*****dores y tres (3) dispositivos de almacenamiento USB…’”, y remite a un artículo suyo en Indymedia.

http://www.piedadcordoba.net/piedadparalapaz/modules.php?name=News&fil...

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Sam Salmon says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:37:

I marked this Funny because I love seeing you drink commie bathwater and call it champagne!

' a la orden!'

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borat says on Dec 11, 2008, 07:56:

farc..nuclear weapons....please!

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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juancegomez says on Dec 19, 2008, 11:44:

I imagined it was going to be something along the lines of what ColombianoGringo has explained.

If you were to seize my own PC you wouldn't find any actual e-mails on it either, since I use hotmail and similar external providers for everything. But throughout the years I have kept an archive of letters, messages, e-mail addresses, drafts, telephone numbers, links and other things in text documents. I imagine that is what someone like "Raúl Reyes" would have done, only much more methodically.

There are of course unresolved questions and issues about this matter, the judicial value of the documents and their interpretation which need to be addressed, but this "revelation" hardly puts an end to this if you think about it.

-Juancegomez

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 17:24:

farc.....nuclear weapons....please!

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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juancegomez says on Dec 19, 2008, 17:27:

That claim was discredited pretty quickly at the time even using the documents themselves, so...it leads nowhere.

Apparently it had to do with re-selling the materials to someone else, not with "nuclear weapons".

-Juancegomez

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 17:29:

farc with nuclear weapons, please someone tell me that uribe and bush can't fool the people around here so easily?

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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juancegomez says on Dec 19, 2008, 18:12:

Considering what I said before, I don't think many people were "fooled"about that initial claim, since it didn't last long anyways before it was discussed and corrected, even in Colombian media.

-Juancegomez

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 18:44:

please someone...?

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 18:46:

as this was the major claim...that farc were going to achieve nuclear capabilities...?

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 18:48:

quite a ....harsh claim, how can you brush it under the carpet so easily Juancegomez?

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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billyb says on Dec 19, 2008, 18:52:

borat, seems you are/were the only one hung up on that one, everybody else let it go in one ear and out the other.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 19:15:

just like the other weapons of mass destruction, 'in one ear, out the other'.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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billyb says on Dec 19, 2008, 19:45:

Have you heard anybody else besides you, six times on this thread alone, talk about it like if they believed it? You sound like an echo chamber, with you as its only participant.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 19:52:

excuse me, I did not make this (ridiculous, criminal) claim, that honor goes to the 2 (uribe and bush) wa*kers that you're defending.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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billyb says on Dec 19, 2008, 19:59:

Please copy and paste where i have defended anybody on this issue? Don't bother, you can't. I am merely pointing out that you are the only one i have seen taking those claims seriously, so much so that you seem obsessed about it. Anybody with half a brain, whether an Uribe supporter or not, took it for what it was, political spinning. Sorry to see that it has caused you so much consternation.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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borat says on Dec 19, 2008, 21:10:

ok

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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pobrecito says on Dec 20, 2008, 00:47:

"borat, seems you are/were the only one hung up on that one, everybody else let it go in one ear and out the other."

Billyb is very funny. Some months ago he tried to convince us that all files in Reyes' computer were true.
Like W. Bush with mass destruction weapons in Iraq ...

No mas Tasco66 !

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billyb says on Dec 20, 2008, 00:59:

Are you just trying to argue? or are you just retarded? Everybody with half a brain will acknowledge that the PC files were legit (even leftwing morons like some people on here), but how those files were interpreted was left to the eye of the beholder, and if you had an ounce of intellectual honesty, you would conceded that I never made any claims regarding the uranium, as I think those claims were ridiculous. So, what say you? Then again, nobody here would accuse you having any integrity, intellectual, or otherwise.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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pobrecito says on Dec 20, 2008, 07:05:

goal

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borat says on Dec 20, 2008, 09:43:

"how those files were interpreted were left to the eye of the beholder"

How those files were interpreted were left to that criminal bush and his little whore uribe.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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billyb says on Dec 20, 2008, 13:48:

Now borat, is that a nice way to talk?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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borat says on Dec 20, 2008, 18:09:

sorry

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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